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EAP, you wanting to put me in the run-off was my first 'red flag' be it because I was the last to vote or not. To me, you were showing aggression towards. Your post after that further proved to me you were Mafia and I did stretch some links, but I was right about you and Duddits. So yes, if I think you are Mafia, I am going to vote for you. I have never said I have this game figured out. I do have a great experience with the public and from that I do have a small inclination to human behavior and the non-verbal clues that tell when one is nervous or not. It comes with the job, just the same way I can smell your shit and tell you if you are dehydrated or not or have blood in your stool. It is no surprise my playing style. EAP knows it, even quoted paraphrased a PM I sent her about my being a d!ck in Mafia and how I will still be, nothing personal. (No, HEG I am not going to 'tone it down') and she still reacts this way? I am not buying it! Last, shit! Buddits I have been spelling your name wrong this whole time? (EAP might be right, I am an idiot.) My Bad!
Dude how many people have to say they don't like the way you play before you start pickingbon someone else besides me???
I have not picked on you. I have just defended, replied to what you have said against me. I think you just called me an Idiot or a cheater?
Newsflash YOU were also part of the reason we lost. You were so adamant and aggressive towards me how could I not question my ideas!
seriously! I was aggressive towards you, because you did not vote for someone you were claiming to be Mafia, ME! The person you voted for turned out to be the inspector! Are you really trying to blame me for your poor decision?
I have NO IDEA who is mafia bc it is first round!!!!!! Jesus Christ. I almost wish you guys would vote me off just so I don't have to respond to scrog anymore.
If you seriously do not want to play Mafia with me, I will not play if you are playing. You being Townie, Mafia, inspector or who ever.
I just want you to eat your words. At first I didn't think you were a d ick but know I kind of do. You seem unable to actually read one of my posts accurately.
Both Belgian and nbf called out your over the top playing style and you havent responded to them. You are a mafia bully.
To everyone else I apologize for being so heated. Nbf is right I'm frustrated. I stick by what I've said though. I wasn't even going to vote for scrog till he started daring me and mouthing off.
That said, I also agree we may both be townies. That's just the way it goes sometimes.
I just want you to eat your words. At first I didn't think you were a d ick but know I kind of do. You seem unable to actually read one of my posts accurately.
Why am I a d!ck now? Maybe you should reread the thread? You suggested I be in the Run-off, less than 25 minutes later LD votes for me. How am I suppose to feel about you two. I see you as Mafia. I explain myself to NBF, She calls me illogical and then you respond,
KK, my two Mafia are the ones who wanted to put me in the run-off and the one who voted for me to be in the run-off. In my book, which is a very short story, anybody who votes for a townie is Mafia. Do with that what you like.
dude you are totally ridiculous and i really hope that you aren't going to play the whole game this way. if you read my previous post i said that in the first round nobody knows who anybody is yet (if you are a townie anyway) so just vote for someone you don't like playing with. i don't like playing with you, simple as that. i also DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU. so when you are saying that two people are mafia, i guess you must mean LD and bonzai, b/c once again i DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU.
At the end of this you capitalize how you DID NOT VOTE FOR ME, I never said you did, so I explain how the one who voted and the one who wanted to are viewed as Mafia to me. Your response was this burst,
2. when did i say you were mafia? i honestly have no idea if you are mafia or not.
3. so the person who actually voted for you (bonzai) is NOT mafia, but i who said "i wanted to vote you" but actually did NOT, is mafia? OH SHI T GUYS SCROG'S WON THE GAME IN THE FIRST ROUND. how'd you figured it out so quickly???? that must be some sort of record!!!!!! darn it. i wanted to play a few more days
4. give me one good reason why i shouldn't just change my vote right now and be done with you, townsperson OR NOT.
I have explained why I voted for you and you can agree with that way or not, I accept you voting for someone because you do not like the way they play. But you have pressed the issue. I even ask you not to in the beginning, but you pressed the issue. I even made a joke about if your going to quote me, use my quote and call me a d!ck and not a weenie. You pressed on and talked about my big mouth and associated me with either a Mafia, Cheater, or an Idiot. You pick. I do not think I have picked on you or even been overly aggressive toward you, but with the outburst and all, I feel 'mud' is being thrown by you.
Both Belgian and nbf called out your over the top playing style and you haven't responded to them. You are a mafia bully.
Speaking of, "unable to actually read one of my posts accurately. " If you read just a few post up I address my playing style, while talking to EAP, I tell HEG that I am not going to "tune it down", maybe you misread that.
To everyone else I apologize for being so heated. Nbf is right I'm frustrated. I stick by what I've said though. I wasn't even going to vote for scrog till he started daring me and mouthing off.
I dared you because you bowed up(mouthing off?), "give me one good reason why i shouldn't just change my vote right now and be done with you, townsperson OR NOT", sounds like mouthing off to me, so yeah I dared you. If that is how you feel, then voted that way, do not threaten me with it.
That said, I also agree we may both be townies. That's just the way it goes sometimes.
Got a little extra time to re-read the thread and feel like the best choice here would be to stick with my original vote. Scrog and EAP are causing way too much of a fuss for either one of them to be mafia. Mike D has been keeping his head low and that screams mafia to me way more than the back and forth above.
Noage > Mike D
Scrog, if I were you I would use a bit more restrain in vocalizing my opinions and jumping to conclusions. If I were one of the mafia players in this game, I would use your eager suspicion to my advantage and get innocents voted off. In fact, I think that happened in the last game. Since this is the first round, anyone could be mafia, but usually the smarter players keep their heads down around this time. Just because someone votes for you here does not mean anything.
I do see your point Noage, but it's just because SFA hasn't said anything to piss me off yet Yes, I haven't posted too much, but there isn't too much to go on yet. Last game I tried playing a little more reserved and not going on whims or gut feelings and it worked out mostly (granted we did loose, but my notes and observations were right).
From my perspective here is what I see between Scrog and EAP
Scrog has bee more vocal about himself and this does seem like he is piling it on heavier than before. This could be a "different" playing style than last game which could point to him being either inspector or mafia. I wouldn't think the inspector would be this involved in stirring up poop, Scrog or not. I can see how he could be a "mafia bully" as described before, but I haven't seen enough to believe it.
EAP changed from KK to Scrog as explained already. I have to look to see what this did to me. This took KK out of the run off, but left me in with votes from you (Noage) and KK. EAP's primary motive was to get rid of Scrog which I can't really blame her for too much. This could have been an ideal situation if EAP is mafia with KK and used Scrog to get KK out of the run off. Granted it is early and we don't have too much to go on yet, but me being in this situation forces me to think "why". I can understand voting Scrog off, but EAP should also know that run offs help us down the road. Scrog's actions do remind me of the goings back and forth with SFA and myself (reference Mafia 37 and 38 if you are interested).
Summarizing . . . . I know I am a townie, and thankful for it, but as of now, I really don't know which way to vote. I would like to hear a few more points of view from those left to vote.
Actually, I don't want to be the last to vote and won't be on til late tonight. As with what I said in my prior post, from my perspective, EAP looks more suspicious to me than Scrog. I would rather vote for her based on actions in the game rather than Scrog's flexing of the nuts/bullying/however you want to put it.
Last, poop! Buddits I have been spelling your name wrong this whole time? (EAP might be right, I am an idiot.) My Bad!
It's all good Scrog, I found it funny and it even made it's way to my quote under my avatar
As for my vote, its the first round/run off, I'm flippin clueless. EAP and Scrog are going back and forth but they did that last game and neither of them were Mafia. MikeD seems to be playing as reserved as he did last game as well. My vote, which is pending for now, will honestly be a shot in the dark. The only thing I can take into consideration is who I feel will be most beneficial to the Townspeople in future rounds. Last game I was Mafia, this game I'm a Townie. I now realize that playing from the Townie's persepctive is ALOT tougher.
I do see your point Noage, but it's just because SFA hasn't said anything to piss me off yet Yes, I haven't posted too much, but there isn't too much to go on yet. Last game I tried playing a little more reserved and not going on whims or gut feelings and it worked out mostly (granted we did loose, but my notes and observations were right).
It's not so much that I suspect you, cause I really don't. I just really don't suspect Scrog or EAP at this point.
SFA, while it's true that in some games, personal grudge things turned out to include a mafia member, those were later on in the game when someone started to feel like his/her back was up against a wall, not at the beginning of the game. I think it would be fairly unusual for a mafia member to make such a big stink about anything this early on and draw so much attention to herself, which actually makes me see EAP as more innocent than Scrog. That said, I think it's possible that both are innocent. I can say that when kdogg and I play games together, we are pretty much always going to argue with each other, regardless of our roles. I will say that EAP has arguably been a wee little bit on the angry side about the whole thing, but I have a feeling that she is just super frustrated with Scrog, and sometimes frustration comes across as angry.
I get what you are saying and I'm in no way dead set on EAP. That's just the best guess I had at the time. My thoughts on the grudge was when it escalates to this level it starts looking suspicious. I don't find it strange when you and kdogg argue because it's usual based on something within the current game. Most of this seems to be based on their on going feud.
I also get what you are saying about Scrog looking more suspicious then her. He could have voted for her not realizing at the time that it would cause this much of a mess or maybe that was his intention? He's sort of a loose cannon. EAP has played in almost every game I've been involved with and maybe it's the frustration that's making her look a little shady this time. Besides the stuff with Scrog, she's acting like she normally does.
Maybe those that are saying they both are innocent are correct. I'm just going off of past experience because we really don't have much to work with yet.
i will stand by what i said. i was not even going to vote for scrog until he started daring me etc. i was willing to keep the runoff with him, kat and mike d. i said that multiple times.
mark my words, if you kill me off scrog will go on and on about how i am mafia the entire game. the townspeople will loose b/c of this, since i am not mafia.
i also think it is funny that scrog won't take up my offer of never playing again if i turn out to be a townsperson. guess someone isn't so sure huh?
noage and duddits, it is apparent that mikeD is out of the runoff (essentially). i would ask you to look at what i've said and think about the way scog plays and the last two games.
i openly admitted i made a mistake in voting for belgian, but you were right noage, the mafia (NBF, i'm looking at you sister ) used scrog's hardheadedness to help confuse me. yet scrog continues to deny taking any blame in the townspeople's loss. if you remember, i posted two groups of who i thought was mafia and i nailed it with second group, but scrog was so aggressive i started questioning myself. that was my fault.
the game before, he got tried to get me killed as inspector because HE WAS SO SURE I WAS MAFIA. (ps scrog we totally would have won that game if you hadn't been such a nutter b/c i had two names correct when you went on one of your oh so familiar tirades) and once again he was very wrong.
based on those things and my explanations, i ask that you keep me around and let me help the townies win. i have no idea who is who yet, i simply i voted for scrog because i don't like playing with him and that's that.
Current Votes: krunchy > Mike D LD > Scrog>>>EAP Scrog > EAP eap > scrog Bonzai > EAP SFA > EAP>>>null Mr. Belgian Manders > Scrog Noage > Mike D NBF>>>scrog Duddits>>>mike d>>>scrog>>>mike d mikeD>>>EAP
Current Vote Tally: Scrog -3 MikeD - 3 EAP - 4
Left to Vote: SFA
Last Edit: Oct 5, 2011 19:57:43 GMT -5 by EAP - Back to Top
Again, ladies and gents, sorry for the delay, I came home, and thought I would lay down for half an hour, and ended up sleeping til 9:45
Day 1 Runoff 1
Current Votes: krunchy > Mike D Scrog > EAP EAP > Scrog Bonzai > EAP Mr. Belgian Manders > Scrog Noage > Mike D Mike D > EAP NBF > Scrog LD > Scrog > EAP Duddits > MikeD > Scrog > Mike D SFA > EAP > Null > Scrog
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) used scrog's hardheadedness to help confuse me. yet scrog continues to deny taking any blame in the townspeople's loss. if you remember, i posted two groups of who i thought was mafia and i nailed it with second group, but scrog was so aggressive i started questioning myself. that was my fault.