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I would love to see abra and SFA in a runoff personally.
If Scrog puts that much thought and effort into his posts as Mafia, then you sir deserve to win this game.
I just walked in so i'll to Scrog's post in a second.
Dude, i don't know if he is mafia or not but I can tell you he is so wrong. Go back and look at my posts at the beginning of the second round. I've been saying EAP was probably the inspector sense then.
If I was mafia do you think I would draw attention to myself like that? To over and over again bring up EAP as the inspector even thought that means everyone is going to look at her votes and look at votes of the players she didn't vote for in the runoff?
It's suicide.
Plus, if I was pretty sure I'd killed the inspector wouldn't I keep that info to myself? So I could you know come out as fake inspector right now??
I finally got the chance to read over the last round and I am happy with my vote, however I really don't want to vote Abra off without a runoff. How long does is this round before LD closes voting?
Fellow Townies, hear me out, if you disagree, then please vote me off this round. If I am not making sense or I am wrong, then vote me off!
If you aren't mafia then you don't need to be voted off. What if there are three left?
SFA, This has gone on too long. I am hard on you and this is why. In the beginning I linked you and EAP, because I found your early vote switch strange. Well, not your vote switch, but your reason was strange. You were voting for Jham because he was a "quiet" player, which you were as well. I found it strange. EAP was whacked and I realized I was wrong.
Did you ever consider you could be wrong about the whole thing? How many times do I have to explain this? Again. You aren't going after anyone else for the absurd amount of votes changing going on. You aren't saying anything about there being two rounds that ended with a three person runoff. Instead of people forcing another runoff to make everyone vote again. That's generally how we play this game. There is a hell of a lot more suspicious things going on then me switching a vote off of EAP and jokingly calling Jhamm a quite one.
I've played with EAP more then anybody else in this game and I usually know I can trust her. That's not the first time I'm sided with her over other players. Because I can personally read her better and it's good to have someone you can kinda/sorta trust in this game.
You mentioned her vote for Jham, but not her vote for you. No big deal, but it should be noted. I did not comment on that at the time, but I did say,
Why would I mention it? It's right there on the front page. Do you mention that someone has voted for you every time you are discussing them later in the game? Besides EVERYONE is well aware that she voted for me. We've been talking about EAP and me the whole game. Do you really think if I was mafia I would harp on the idea of EAP being the inspector? That if i felt she had my name I would bring it up putting me and the other mafia at risk? Really?
I never said anything like that. Go back and read my post. In fact, I've agreed with you that EAP either was or made strong hints to being inspector. This is like the third time you have misrepresented what I've said. I know I'm not the easiest player to read posts by but it's a little strange. Ask me if I need to clarify something.
I have not said EAP was not the Inspector. After re reading her post I can see that. Am I really misrepresented you? Or is it the other way around? I will continue.
This is one of the thing I'm confused by and why I'm having such a hard time understanding you. I never said you didn't think eap could be the inspector. I said I agreed with you at the begging of round two. That's what I meant by misrepresenting me. I also never said or meant to imply the inspector can be whacked in the first round. I seriously didn't understand what you were trying to say most of the game and i know that partly me being dyslexic.
Clarify this, EAP voted for you? Why you? She mentioned you were one of the only ones, left so she picked you, and there was nothing suspicious about that. half the players were still available to chose from, and now, are we not to think her choice of you as being suspicious?
I was saying, is the I think Inspector being whacked is more common than you lead, but what does that matter? You seem ultra sensitive. Strange.
Then SFA you respond with this,
It's like my posts disappear when I posts them. I've explained it twice already. Your theory on Duddits doesn't hold water if the mafia had already planned to kill EAP. It's that simple. I seriously wasn't even trying to make a big deal about it. Just pointing it out.
I ask why are you bringing up Duddits?
We are talking about this: I never said anything like that. Go back and read my post. In fact, I've agreed with you that EAP either was or made strong hints to being inspector. This is like the third time you have misrepresented what I've said. I know I'm not the easiest player to read posts by but it's a little strange. Ask me if I need to clarify something.
not this: I don't find Duddits suspicious really but as to your thinking... If you think someone is inspector then you don't try to get them into a vote lead where they have to come out so early in the game and give the only name they have. That would force the mafia to kill the inspector and either lose a member(possible two) in round one (if they are also in the runoff) or forfeit the next round. Best to help the "inspector" survive the runoff and then whack them.
We have a lot of new players but I think you should know this by now. That doesn't make Duddits anymore of a suspect then the rest of us but it's true.
Now I finally get what connection you are trying to make. I serious didn't understand what you were trying to get at for a week. I'm not trying to be rude. I just didn't.
So lets get a run down: 1. You think I figured out that EAP was the inspector with absolutely no evidence to go off of. And that I was convinced that she had my name, 1/3 chance, simply because she changed her vote to me within a minute of realizing she had voted at the same time as someone else. (I should also say that I could be completely wrong about EAP. Maybe it was Quacker? Or maybe they are still alive trying to see how people vote before coming out.
2. Then I switched my vote EARLY in the round. Even thought I have 2 mafia buddies that could have manipulated the votes to make sure she isn't in trouble. Even thought I pretty much always change my vote in a the first round runoff. I'd say 90% time I do this. Noage is probably the only one that I've played long enough with to back me up on this.
3. I'm so awesome that I controlled the votes of others players like you to vote for Jhamm or Qucker to ensure EAP wasn't in danger of being in a position of having to come out as inspector. Which I'm only scene happen once in all the games I've played.
4. Then I whack her and bring the fact that I think she was the inspector up several times. I even went into past game in a vote to Quacker explaining why I felt so sure it was probably her. The whole time giving people the idea that they should go back and look at her post and her runoff vote to get an idea of who the mafia are.
5. I then respond to you and explain why mafia wouldn't cast a deciding vote for someone they thought was inspector.
6. Then I continue to argue with you about this because you are fixated on a single post of mine. The whole time highlighting things that a member of mafia would have kept to themselves.
Is that about right? I thought you just complemented me on being a good mafia player the other day? This is the opposite of that. Plus, the part of me figuring out EAP as the inspector is impossible that early in the game. Completely impossible. New players, please believe me when I say that.
Or it could be that I've been telling the truth and just playing like I always play!
SFA, you are focused on my story on 'how Duddits is not Mafia.' It is a flawed story, I know it is, it was bait. I thought Mafia would agree with me when I posted that, try to side with me, go along with my story, I knew it was not right, but I wanted to see who would agree, then you bit, you have swallowed it. Not the way it was intended, but I think you are using that story as a way to discredit me, and turn an innocent comment, which was more of me tooting my own horn, into a tangent, that has lead me back to you being Mafia.
Dude, I'm not focused on your story. You are the one that has been so hard to understand that i had to answer the same questions over and over. I wasn't changing the topics. I had no idea what your point was.
And I didn't take any bait. What kind of bait is that anyway? Did you see me go after Duddits or try to buddy up with you? No. Talking and debating is part of the game. I've always pointed things out that I think are wrong and might hurt us down the line. Again, that post was what it was. Me pointing out that I felt you were wrong. If I were mafia I wouldn't have made such a dumbass post, while at the same time repeatedly saying EAP was probably the inspector. It makes absolutely zero sense.
Honestly, when EAP was whacked I realized I was wrong about you, but your over reaction to my posts then changing the topic to something else, make me believe I am right.
Dude, that's really how I play. I'm an asshole when I play this game. LLL has chewed me out in the tread and in real life for it.
I hate to be so long and descriptive but I feel we must get this right or we are done. Sorry SFA, but if I am wrong I am wrong. I think Quacker even hinted you were being quiet. Now you are posting the charts and graphs, which seem confusing. Maybe I am not getting it.
Quacker voted for me in the first round two but he also voted for like 6 people. I was actually a little suspicious of Quacker for saying so much about me being quite early on. That's what Mike did in your second game. That's one reason I starting to think he was mafia.
I'm telling the truth when I said I needed vote tallies to do it. Plus all the vote swaps didn't really motivate me to spend my time doing it. The figures aren't that confusing. If you look over them you can see connections. I started posting them I few games back to help me make my points. Maybe I'm the only one that gets any use out of them?
Either way, I think EAP was the inspector, Surf is not, I thought he was the first round, but I was wrong. I only mentioned that, after it was obvious Surf is not the inspector, but he did post, early on, talk that could be perceived as "hints" to him being Inspector. EAP was not the only one who could have been viewed as the Inspector. Why I originally thought EAP was Mafia.
For what it's worth, you and EAP have a rich history of going after each other. I didn't find that vote swap surprising at all.
surf has been playing with confidence. Almost too much. Making bets and such? What is that about? After he led me towards EAP and was wrong, I believe his "spidey sense" is fishy. Mafia fishy.
You do realize that if Surf is mafia then your whole thing about me being mafia and switching votes to EAP doesn't make sense? Look at my chart. haha
So yes, I would like to see you and Surf in a runoff, but we can only vote one of you off, so I say put me in a runoff with you SFA. I am hard headed and set on my theory about you two, so this will go into the next round if I am still alive.
What if your theory ends up getting a townie killed? A theory that i just disproved in a sentence.
1. either/or SFA and Scrog are mafia 2. BOTH are mafia, and have BRILLIANTLY come up with this plan to both make ridic unreadable posts against each other that make our heads spin. 3. neither are mafia and are ruining the townies game
Damn wish i was playing. My dim bulb flickered up to 90 watts tonight.
We need to have an 'all-star' mafia game soon where only players with x number of games under their belts can play so those of us that are newer (including myself) can learn from the pro's.
Damn wish i was playing. My dim bulb flickered up to 90 watts tonight.
We need to have an 'all-star' mafia game soon where only players with x number of games under their belts can play so those of us that are newer (including myself) can learn from the pro's.
You got a pro there with you. I'm hoping that my question will be answered as to why "Voting for someone who has no vote" has decided to keep their vote for me. Just wasting time keeping this thread at the top of newest posts.
He's a pro at a lot of things but not mafia... ..he's only got 3 or 4...
Helping keep this at the top of the thread. In one of the threads 1Karen1 asked for special ban so she could not post while she's in school. I need all my posts after 10:59 pm redirected to the 'caught a buzz and should have gone to bed by now" thread. And all my posts after midnight need to be routed directly to the drunking rambling thread with PM priviledges revoked. ;D Swamp yankees are like gremlins... They should be tucked in way before mid night. ;D
1. either/or SFA and Scrog are mafia 2. BOTH are mafia, and have BRILLIANTLY come up with this plan to both make ridic unreadable posts against each other that make our heads spin. 3. neither are mafia and are ruining the townies game
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Scrog and I aren't the ones ruining the game. We are actually playing it.
why is no one else looking at duddits? seriously people come on! the guy has like 2 posts in this thread!
It could be an out of site out of mind thing? But his post haven't made me suspicious of him at all. I didn't really keep up with the last game. How did he play his mafia role in this?
I've reffed a game when he was Mafia and don't feel his votes/posts reflect that he is this game. I could be totally off base. People do try different strategy. And some things are based on what is the situation with your mafia buddies and/or if the townies are way off track. That's when it's good for the mafia to be quite.
Clarify this, EAP voted for you? Why you? She mentioned you were one of the only ones, left so she picked you, and there was nothing suspicious about that. half the players were still available to chose from, and now, are we not to think her choice of you as being suspicious?
I was saying, is the I think Inspector being whacked is more common than you lead, but what does that matter? You seem ultra sensitive. Strange.
Then SFA you respond with this,
It's like my posts disappear when I posts them. I've explained it twice already. Your theory on Duddits doesn't hold water if the mafia had already planned to kill EAP. It's that simple. I seriously wasn't even trying to make a big deal about it. Just pointing it out.
I ask why are you bringing up Duddits?
We are talking about this: I never said anything like that. Go back and read my post. In fact, I've agreed with you that EAP either was or made strong hints to being inspector. This is like the third time you have misrepresented what I've said. I know I'm not the easiest player to read posts by but it's a little strange. Ask me if I need to clarify something.
Scrog I know what part of the misunderstanding is. It's the freaking quoting on proboards. That example above is right out of my last post to you. It makes it seem like I'm asking you that question. That's actually something you wrote in the post I was responding to. That's what is making everything so confusing. When you quote a post with html codes from a an even prior post, the old ones don't carry over.
Not that that resolves everything but that explains A LOT of the basis of the misunderstanding!
Clarify this, EAP voted for you? Why you? She mentioned you were one of the only ones, left so she picked you, and there was nothing suspicious about that. half the players were still available to chose from, and now, are we not to think her choice of you as being suspicious?
I was saying, is the I think Inspector being whacked is more common than you lead, but what does that matter? You seem ultra sensitive. Strange.
Then SFA you respond with this,
It's like my posts disappear when I posts them. I've explained it twice already. Your theory on Duddits doesn't hold water if the mafia had already planned to kill EAP. It's that simple. I seriously wasn't even trying to make a big deal about it. Just pointing it out.
I ask why are you bringing up Duddits?
We are talking about this: I never said anything like that. Go back and read my post. In fact, I've agreed with you that EAP either was or made strong hints to being inspector. This is like the third time you have misrepresented what I've said. I know I'm not the easiest player to read posts by but it's a little strange. Ask me if I need to clarify something.
Scrog I know what part of the misunderstanding is. It's the freaking quoting on proboards. That example above is right out of my last post to you. It makes it seem like I'm asking you that question. That's actually something you wrote in the post I was responding to. That's what is making everything so confusing. When you quote a post with html codes from a an even prior post, the old ones don't carry over.
Not that that resolves everything but that explains A LOT of the basis of the misunderstanding!
No Matt that does not. Yes, quotes drop, but that is not the misunderstanding. The misunderstanding. I a begin statement, which was: "SFA, you only have to go back to last game and the see the inspector was whacked the first night. Maybe not the norm, but it happens." It was about how, the Inspector gets whacked more often from Mafia making a "great" educated guess, than what you are saying, just go back and look at last game, which is a way for me to say, "Hey, I whacked the Inspector last game on the first round! Look I did it! I fucking nailed it! BOO-YA!!!" Your response was very defensive, saying 'I was misrepresenting you for the third time', 'do you need to Clarify'? After that I replied and repeated my original point, "I think Inspector being whacked is more common than you lead, but what does that matter? You seem ultra sensitive. Strange." Then SFA, you bring up my flawed story about how Duddits could not be Mafia. You are veering off topic, you are changing the point, you are making me seem like I am fucking idiot not making any sense, 'look at how he explains Duddits not being Mafia, because he did not whack the "most likely" Inspector'. SFA, you were the one changing the conversation. We all know quotes drop, that is why in my explanation, the long one above, of how you are changing the subject while making me me look wrong. When I quoted you and I, have to go back and forth between yours and my top 50 post. When I quoted you, then I quoted me, I always left the last quote in the next quote. I did this so one could follow what I am seeing. Okay, then please do not put up confusing graphs and say, 'Me and Surf can not be Mafia together go look at the charts. HaHa" Actually I think that proves my point. In the beginning you did not know EAP was the Inspector, red flags may have went off when she chose you and may have said that in a message to your fellow Mafia players. Then one of them takes that "hint" and runs with it, and does this:
Scrog: it's hard to detail out my exact train of thought here because it comes from gut feeling and all info as a whole.
Hope I'm right. I have a very strong hunch. This should help clarify it.
Surf made it a 4 person run-off with this vote, I found it strange, he was very confident in his vote for EAP, like he had inside info, like info the inspector would have, hence why I thought he was Inspector. How long before you messaged Surf, "What are you doing!" I am sure you did not feel comfortable with two of the Mafia votes on EAP. Surf said he voted for EAP because "strong hunch" "it is hard to detail out my excat train of thought". well surf later said he voted for EAP because of her wording, referencing to "you boys" , I do not find that reason to be "hard to detail out", like you originally said it was Surf. At this point you do not know if EAP is Inspector, nobody does, but Surf wording and post make me think he is Inspector. Like I said, you do not fell comfortable with a Mafia vote stack on someone going into a runoff, I know I would not, so you have to get off that vote, you have to change it and better to hide if it is done early on. If EAP gets whacked(again, at this point you are not protecting the Inspector, you do not know she is, you might have a hunch, but not definite) no, you need to get off that stack vote for EAP so you and Surf are not linked later, If EAP gets whacked you and Surf could be linked together, so you say your are switching to Jham, which is not a crazy thing to do, it looks innocent, but you do it because he is "quiet", and then I say that is strange. After, EAP is whacked, I realized I was wrong about EAP and SFA being Mafia, but you still felt I was on to you SFA, because when I make my comment about Mafia being whacked in the first round, you take a very defensive stance and start to slowly discredit me. You use a theory that I made about Duddits being Mafia, because... Yes I put that out there to see if anybody would take the bait and go along with my story, I thought Surf was going to or Abra or Bonnie, but SFA you jumped on it and used it as a subtle way to make me look like I did not know what I am talking about. Why was Quacker whacked? It was not a guess on the Inspector. We all know Quacker was not the Inspector. Yes SFA, if you are Mafia and it is pretty much agreed upon and obvious, "one would have to be blind to not see it" that EAP was Inspector, you better embrace that! You are not going to fake inspector! with that much making EAP look like the Inspector you would be an idiot to try and pull that off, no better to embrace the fact EAP was the Inspector. With the Quacker Whack, Mafia feel pretty confident they got the Inspector the first round.
1. either/or SFA and Scrog are mafia 2. BOTH are mafia, and have BRILLIANTLY come up with this plan to both make ridic unreadable posts against each other that make our heads spin. 3. neither are mafia and are ruining the townies game
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Well SFA already said, Number 3 is not right, Number 2 is not right, because, I know I am not trying to make heads spin, I am pointing out a player getting defensive when at the time was not called for. Like a Mafia player would do. Number 1? I am not Mafia!
Surf, your last post screams, "I am Mafia." I have been calling and hinting you Mafia the whole game and you think I am the Inspector? Is this because you are Mafia? You are mis speaking. I did not have zero inforamation when I voted for Noage, I used the excuse I was voting for Noage because he had a mid amount of votes, but did not really say much, like he was just posting to keep his post count up. I do not remember linking you and Noage. I have been calling you Mafia. If someone was doing that to me I would be all over them. Hell, I called SFA Mafia, the I said I was wrong. Since then, he has been very defensive, if I even counter his comments or say anything that could possibly be me calling him Mafia, he responds. You, not so much. Surf after you asked if it was okay to make bets like that, you embraced them. Surf, you are Mafia, I will switch to you. Noage and Phi, I am a townie and I ask you to look at what I am saying.
Post by abrakapokus on Jan 28, 2012 9:40:16 GMT -5
I'm off to class and probably won't be back on till after noon. Please look at what I've been saying. Mafia is going to try to attach onto a group and ride their coat tails so they can squeeze under the radar. They are going to attempt to keep their post count high without adding to the conversation. I've asked for an explanation on why I would be voted for. For whatever reason it seems I'm not going to get that before voting closes so I have no chance to defend myself or see why anyone might think I'm mafia. It would be most helpful to have 2 mafia in the runoff so I encourage you guys switch your vote off of me.
Phi, as someone who has been Mafia one or twice, I could see that being done. Mafia being voting partners. I am not 100% sure what pairs you are referencing to, but after Jham votes I would suggest you vote for one of those pairs you speak of, is Noage in one of those "pairs"? He is the one who counters your idea, I would suggest him.
This is what I was referring to Scrog. You busted out with a name with zero information.
And I did not say you were inspector. I said I THOUGH you were inspector but I was WRONG.
Did you intentionally misquote me and intentionally misread what I said so you could improperly interpret it and spoon feed misinformation to the townies?
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see what you did there.
I'm going to Boston today (TOOL!!), so this day will go on for a little while. There's still a lot of discussion going on anyway (way too many tl,dr posts guys) so why stop now?
I finally got the chance to read over the last round and I am happy with my vote, however I really don't want to vote Abra off without a runoff. How long does is this round before LD closes voting?
What is your reasoning?
I would say more than anything it's just a gut feeling. As a townie, you can only go on what you read in the thread and really can never know anything. I would say a lot of the posts on page twelve made me feel the most inclined to stay with my vote. I'm not sure why you are as insistent that both Phi and Surf are mafia. Maybe one, but most likely not both. Also, I would say the strong aversion to the bets didn't help your case either in my mind. Were they getting a little out of hand? Maybe, but many things in this game get a little out of hand. Anyway, this is just how I am feeling at the moment and any new evidence can always change my opinion. Feel free to change my mind.
Phi, as someone who has been Mafia one or twice, I could see that being done. Mafia being voting partners. I am not 100% sure what pairs you are referencing to, but after Jham votes I would suggest you vote for one of those pairs you speak of, is Noage in one of those "pairs"? He is the one who counters your idea, I would suggest him.
This is what I was referring to Scrog. You busted out with a name with zero information.
Guy, read the fucking quote! "...is noage one of those 'pairs', I would suggest him, He is the one who counters your idea, is my "zero information". Nice quote Mafia.
And I did not say you were inspector. I said I THOUGH you were inspector but I was WRONG.
What did I say, "think" and you said "THOUGH", come on man. How dumb do you think we are? think vs thought, I was your first choice aqs the Inspector, me? Really? Why? What did I say that led you to that decision?
Did you intentionally misquote me and intentionally misread what I said so you could improperly interpret it and spoon feed misinformation to the townies?
When did I misquote you? quote me please and show me where I mis quoted you?
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see what you did there.
hope fully the townies can see what you are doing here!
why is no one else looking at duddits? seriously people come on! the guy has like 2 posts in this thread!
I agree. I just believe that Abra is Mafia, so I have to stay with her at this point.
If I make it to the next round, I may be inclined to vote Duddits unless he speaks up. I know Scrog acting weird but I think its run of the mill paranoia.
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