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Viking, you get to cocky in the first round. Only Inspector and Mafia know who Mafia are. First round, until the run-offs have come and gone and you look back at them in other rounds tell you little. Everyone is just trying to stay in the game. To vote yourself off first round as some kind of strategy doesn't even make sense, and certainly couldn't be considered a "Fact". Mike D has one hour to get his ass out of it, and he still hasn't said anything. He's sick of the game already, most likely due to the poop from what was supposed to be the real game. I was sick of this game before it started because of it. I really didn't want to play. That is why I am also comfy being in the run-off and being voted off. I suspect the same is true for Mike D. I could be wrong.
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As I have said countless times, I PLAY DIFFERENT THAN EVERYONE ELSE. I go back and reread old threads. I am superstitious. I hate day 1 ending without a lot of posting. I like to kick over rocks and trees looking for mafia. I over-analyze and I am wrong with some of my early day 1 posts. And guess what, it works. I have been 5 for 7 in voting for mafia, and last game I was 4 for 4. It gets people like talking either for or against who I am posting about.
This style also pisses people off. Last game I got tossed in the round 1 runoff by a mafia member. I came very close in Day 2 of Mafia 46. I cannot help that you or other people do not want to play. When I signed up, I committed to playing. End of story. I am not a quitter and I am going to do whatever I can to help us townies win another game. I am just as pissed or more than you, since I was inspector in the cancelled game and had the mafia narrowed down to 4 people with 2 definite members. When the game was called, I was frustrated and furious. But I moved on. I am going to do my best as a townie to win, and since this has worked the last two games, I am going to keep doing it.
People can keep criticizing how I play the game. Fine, keep on doing it, but I am going to keep playing this way. And WTF is with calling me cocky? I admitted last game I have an ego. Deal with it. You have a persecution complex.
I am going back to my reading and doing what I signed up for. Quit if you want to quit, but don't complain about wanting to quit in the thread and screw up the game for people who want to keep playing.
Here is your heavy handed response to my very first post telling you that you play too cocky in the first round. You admit it, and then go on to PERSONALLY ATTACK me, and misconstrue a point I was trying to make about what I thought was Mike D's purpose behind his vote. You are unbelievable. And considering your remarks here and throughout the game I am amazed that you told ME I have a persecution complex.
Up until this post I made, telling you were playing too cocky for the first round, the only person who had been attacking players playing styles was YOU, attacking Bacon in the post that I have already highlighted above.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Well Congrats Bacon! You got all 4 of the people you wanted in the runoff. I was suspicious of the way you votes for Mike D to start they round and just like with cstnz, I never took my eye off you.
I'm not even doing anything this game. I changed my vote a grand total of ONE time during the round. I have been presenting my ideas, theories, and suspicions and apparently people have thought they were good enough to follow them to a certain degree. I am not being neither as pushy or abrasive as I was last game. All I have been pushy on is trying to get the quite players to say something. Is there any reason why this would be suspicious? All I want right now is to get players who could be hiding behind low post counts to explain themselves.
PS I'm with LLL you need to chill. Also whether it's your style or not your insanely long posts are becoming pointless when they say absolutely nothing new or relevant at all.
Well Congrats Bacon! You got all 4 of the people you wanted in the runoff. I was suspicious of the way you votes for Mike D to start they round and just like with cstnz, I never took my eye off you.
I am finally able to log back on my cell and catch up after a long day with the inlaws. I only have a minute to post after reading but a few quick thoughts.
I have been personally attacked, insulted and lied about all day by people who knew I could not defend myself. I have also been labeled as Mafia solely because certain people said so. These same people said don't listen to me and the data and info I spent a lot of time researching because it does not count regarding them.
Bonnie suffered the same treatment today. She opened her mouth regarding LLL and now she is in the runoff too.
As I said earlier today, each of you has your own voice. Every person in the runoff is related to the 3 people I had tagged earlier this round. I may be wrong and I may be right. If someone else has a different logic thread I would love to hear it. Those who have played.with me the last 2 games know that I am willing to back off if what you have to say makes sense.
Right now, I believe LLL is the most likely Mafia we have in the game by a long shot. I will try to check in the morning again but I definitely cannot type this much again until Sunday afternoon. If you all feel I need to die, then fine. I am ready since I think it is likely that we have at least 1 if not 2 or 3 Mafia highlighted at this point.
I'll try and be around but if I can't reread the thread and good hunting. I have a pretty good feeling as are about to go 3 for 3!
Bonnie is in the run-off not because she is "suffering", it is because she voted for me. Duh. Just like you voted for me after I voted for you, despite you saying that you think that Bacon should have been in the run-off. You voted for me to reciprocate. I did the same to Bonnie. Stop being so dramatic. You tell me I'm throwing a hissy fit, for real? And you are this dramatic about everything.
And you are FOS about anyone attacking you personally up until just now when I called you dramatic, and pointed out your own persecution complex traits. People are trying to point out to you that you are CONSTANTLY belitttling people's playing styles. That is not a PERSONAL attack that has to do with the way you play the game, game style man. If I'm playing basketball and someone tells me they think I am doing something wrong, they aren't personally attacking me. You're smart enough to know that, and this is why I think that this may be part of your Mafia schlick.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I get what your saying LLL but this was pretty his style last game too. He took major offense to the idea that SFA and I were making calls and he even was too thick to get that me saying I was a run away for the MVP of the game was a joke.
I'm not saying he is innocent but i dont think his posting style is enough to go either way. I do think there are some very damning things that he posted that SFA pointed out. All the inspector/fake inspector stuff was weird. I really have no reason to believe LD is on either side, but he was the one I wanted to hear from the most. I hope that he explains himself before the end of this.
I get your reciprocation of the Bonzai vote and I am also glad she is here. Another player I want to hear more from. That said I would have not done the same in your shoes. If we were to decide to do another run-off I would want it to be a 2-way between LLL and WVL. I am still very convinced that one of you has to be mafia. I just really can't tell which of you is and who your associates would be.
I get what your saying LLL but this was pretty his style last game too. He took major offense to the idea that SFA and I were making calls and he even was too thick to get that me saying I was a run away for the MVP of the game was a joke.
I'm not saying he is innocent but i dont think his posting style is enough to go either way. I do think there are some very damning things that he posted that SFA pointed out. All the inspector/fake inspector stuff was weird. I really have no reason to believe LD is on either side, but he was the one I wanted to hear from the most. I hope that he explains himself before the end of this.
I get your reciprocation of the Bonzai vote and I am also glad she is here. Another player I want to hear more from. That said I would have not done the same in your shoes. If we were to decide to do another run-off I would want it to be a 2-way between LLL and WVL. I am still very convinced that one of you has to be mafia. I just really can't tell which of you is and who your associates would be.
Who would you have rather had? Are you saying there is someone else you would have rather had in the run-off? If so, I'd like your feedback. I always keep my eye on quieter players. One is usually Inspector, and there are always one or two Mafia hoping to slide by while we slice our own throats.
I'm a little concerned about you and Mike D putting LD in. While he is quiet, I feel like he could be an easy Mafia target. He is someone that a few of the players would not even defend, mainly because of the previous games they have played with him. From what I have read, it seems that some of the players felt like he sabotaged at least one game, and I think that those players would silently allow him to be voted off.
Do you have any specific reason why you think that he is a good choice for the run-off? What about you Mike D?
As far as my vote for Bonzai, it really was a reciprocal vote. I figured I could go back and change to viking need be, since I did want him in the run-off.
I'm really eager to see how everyone else votes, and I do absolutely agree we should whittle this down to a two person run-off. I feel two person run-offs are more telling.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Well Congrats Bacon! You got all 4 of the people you wanted in the runoff. I was suspicious of the way you votes for Mike D to start they round and just like with cstnz, I never took my eye off you.
I am finally able to log back on my cell and catch up after a long day with the inlaws. I only have a minute to post after reading but a few quick thoughts.
I have been personally attacked, insulted and lied about all day by people who knew I could not defend myself. I have also been labeled as Mafia solely because certain people said so. These same people said don't listen to me and the data and info I spent a lot of time researching because it does not count regarding them.
Bonnie suffered the same treatment today. She opened her mouth regarding LLL and now she is in the runoff too.
As I said earlier today, each of you has your own voice. Every person in the runoff is related to the 3 people I had tagged earlier this round. I may be wrong and I may be right. If someone else has a different logic thread I would love to hear it. Those who have played.with me the last 2 games know that I am willing to back off if what you have to say makes sense.
Right now, I believe LLL is the most likely Mafia we have in the game by a long shot. I will try to check in the morning again but I definitely cannot type this much again until Sunday afternoon. If you all feel I need to die, then fine. I am ready since I think it is likely that we have at least 1 if not 2 or 3 Mafia highlighted at this point.
I'll try and be around but if I can't reread the thread and good hunting. I have a pretty good feeling as are about to go 3 for 3!
Bonnie is in the run-off not because she is "suffering", it is because she voted for me. Duh. Just like you voted for me after I voted for you, despite you saying that you think that Bacon should have been in the run-off. You voted for me to reciprocate. I did the same to Bonnie. Stop being so dramatic. You tell me I'm throwing a hissy fit, for real? And you are this dramatic about everything.
And you are lying about anyone attacking you personally up until just now when I called you dramatic, and pointed out your own persecution complex traits. People are trying to point out to you that you are CONSTANTLY belitttling people's playing styles. That is not a PERSONAL attack that has to do with the way you play the game, game style man. If I'm playing basketball and someone tells me they think I am doing something wrong, they aren't personally attacking me. You're smart enough to know that, and this is why I think that this may be part of your Mafia schlick.
I didn't mean to have "game, game style man" in that paragraph. It was supposed to read "That is not a PERSONAL attack, that has to do with the way you play the game, it's game style man."
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Um, I know who I'm voting for. I'm just gonna sit back and let y'all have at it.
LD --- null
1. Forgot that you are playing?!??! 2. If you know, why are you nulling??
1. I sat out the last couple games, these things happen. Especially when you're not getting a zillion PMs about it. 2. Retaliation votes aren't going to help me right now. I'm not sure why Bacon threw me in, other than "being quiet". I'm not being suspicious. And then MikeD and I always vote for each other... what is it with us two?
First: I. AM. NOT. MAFIA. I know you can't know that unless you ARE mafia, so since I am sick of repeating it, I am breaking it down in crayon for you.
Repeating what? Not sure you have been strait out called mafia by anyone.
You clearly have a problem with answering direct questions or explaining what your "facts" actually are. I'm still not sure.
Fifth and final point, since this is all I have time to write. I always thought you would break towards LLL because of how much you guys wanted to be mafia together. I did NOT expect you to be the one running her defense team. I may be wrong about her. I have admitted this several times, but I find your full on defense combined with an assault on me and the way I play to be a bit suspicious.
LOL No dude. You were the one coming against us. LLL has already explained this and I've explained it to. YOU are the one that has to be right about everything and has to flash your "accomplishments" around. That's your own goddamn fault.
I also find it bizarre that LLL switched to me following my post saying I will be gone for 3 days, and essentially, unable to defend myself since the mobile app is terrible and I will not have my reference charts with me.
You don't have your reference charts? Holy fuck it's the end of the world.
Or there is also the possibility that nobody gives a fuck if you are out of town or people had no clue because it's not important to their own lives? Did that cross your mind? And also the fact that you clearly can have the technology to still participate in the game. Most people do these days.
And then, you waited until I logged off last night to launch your defense of LLL / Attack of me despite logging off and on several times while I was still on and could react. (BTW, you are not invisible on the mobile app. No one is, and I do watch)
You should really take a step back and look at how egotistical your posts are. I mean you really should. It's comical. I hope your are mafia because if you aren't then this kind of stuff is just fucking embarrassing.
How do you know what I was doing that night? Are you so full of yourself that you honestly believe that I plan my day around responding to you or giving a fuck about when you are online? How many times do I have to say this to people. Most of my posts are always at night. That is an absolute fact. I log in and I don't log out. Another fact. Ask a mod. You are grasping at straws and really reaching here. OR do you have an agenda?
Now you are going to go back and say log in times don't matter but in this case, I think they are very relevant. You are going to disagree and say that facts like this don't matter, but it IS a fact, and as i have always done, I will gravitate towards those.
Ohhh, you know me so well. You have it all figured out. Get over yourself. Like fucking really. It's a fact that I logged into inforoo. Now that is a revelation for the ages.
Here is another fact, sense you seem to think LLL and I are in cahoots. I obviously have her phone number. Why would I need to be on inforoo to speak with her? How many times am I going to have to explain this to you? Being logged in doesn't matter at all. It simply doesn't matter. I will say it again. Mafia can use Facebook, text, tinychat, etc... Log in times tells you absolutely nothing solid.
To the other townies in this game, I can only say the same thing I did last game. I cannot be online much the next 3 days, but I feel comfortable if I die in day 1 or night 1 because I think we have a pretty good bead at least on LLL. I have laid out my facts for all of you to take a look at and make your own decisions, which is all I ask. I find SFA's defense of her to be strange, and frankly a little suspicious, and if I had to guess, there is at least 1 mafia member hidden in the quiet folk. I am not trying to be better than any of you, but trying to help as much as I can.
If you are a townie, you arn't helping at all. And LOL at laying out facts. That's truly funny.
It has worked in the past, and even SFA when he takes the LLL blinders off will admit that I was right more often than not last game. It is my 3rd game, so I am still learning, but I put as much or more time into it than most of the experienced players. Ask questions, and make sure people give you answers instead of squirming away. That is the only way to find mafia in round 1 and we need to kill one this round, otherwise our advantage is lost.
That doesn't mean you are right this game and based off of your horrible reasoning I'd say you are mafia or wrong.
Well Congrats Bacon! You got all 4 of the people you wanted in the runoff. I was suspicious of the way you votes for Mike D to start they round and just like with cstnz, I never took my eye off you.
Could you clarify this please?
2 Tossing me back in right before the deadline is the second shady move SFA has pulled today. First he waited until he knew I was leaving to attack me as I outlined earlier.
What does this even mean? You are clearly still here posting? What angle are you trying to say I have? It makes me feel like you are saying I'm your stalker or something.
Now, at the buzzer, the Guy who roasted me in Mafia 46 over wanting more than 3 person runoffs tosses me back in at the last minute before people have a chance to take a look and comment and then one of the most experienced players who has been posting all day and right after EAP posted a tally claims he forgot what he was doing
ZOMG it's all a conspiracy. Can we please just vote him off now? Jubus, I'm sick of reading this shit.
I have been personally attacked, insulted and lied about all day by people who knew I could not defend myself. I have also been labeled as Mafia solely because certain people said so. These same people said don't listen to me and the data and info I spent a lot of time researching because it does not count regarding them
Yes, I forgot to vote for you earlier. It wasn't my vote for you that I regretted. It was that it was a 4 person runoff. Did I say anything about not wanting to vote for you? No, because frankly it will take a lot for someone to make me move my vote off of you.
I am more than willing to listen to another logic thread, but I think it is pretty clear that I have been targeted early and often this game based on zero reason whatsoever.
I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I like to talk about myself. It's pretty clear that I like to talk about myself. It's pretty clear that I like to talk about myself.
Bonnie suffered the same treatment today. She opened her mouth regarding LLL and now she is in the runoff too. I have no idea why LD is in the run off either other than Bacon saying be should be in it
Dramatic much? If someone else is responsible for putting someone in a runoff then it must be shady. Which goes against what you preach. Aren't we all suppose to be head hunting?
Those who have played.with me the last 2 games know that I am willing to back off if what you have to say makes sense.
But you have failed to really engage anyone and answer their questions?
Why did you feel the need to run Bacon and I down? What was the purpose of that?
Why do have such a hard time interacting in a simple discussion with others players this game? Are you hiding something?
If you all feel I need to die, then fine.
I'm not changing my vote simply because I'm sick of your playing style for this game at least. Plus, I think you might be mafia. So there is that.
Last Edit: Apr 14, 2012 6:35:48 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
1. Forgot that you are playing?!??! 2. If you know, why are you nulling??
1. I sat out the last couple games, these things happen. Especially when you're not getting a zillion PMs about it. 2. Retaliation votes aren't going to help me right now. I'm not sure why Bacon threw me in, other than "being quiet". I'm not being suspicious. And then MikeD and I always vote for each other... what is it with us two?
LD Who would you have liked to have seen in a run-off? Not necessarily out of who is in the run-off, but based on play so far, which two players might have given us a greater chance of getting Mafia?
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Apr 14, 2012 7:45:44 GMT -5
Duddits, I notice you aren't a big talker in most games, but you usually have good things to say. Do you have any other insight into the choices for the run-off? Which of the following reasons you gave are you leaning towards?
SFA, to reply to your question of why I feel and/or changed my feelings about a 3 person run-off vs a 2 person run-off boils down to probability really the more I think about it. As a Townie I have no idea who is who, if there are 3 people in a run-off it increases the odds of one or more being Mafia. Obviously this goes both ways and also increases the odds of Townies being in the run-off.
However as a Townie in the first round I have no idea who anyone is other than myself, so I know that's at least one Townie not in this run-off. Also as a Townie I have no idea which Mafia would be "stacking" votes in a 2 person run-off in the first round. Now after the 1st day is over I think its a good idea to start going to 2 person run-offs and looking at voting patterns with a more careful eye in days 1 and 2 and also take into considderation who was whacked in Night 1.
LLL, I agree, I'm troubled by the amount of times the run-off candidates have changed. This means one of three things.
1. We had Mafia in the 1st edition of the run-off and they weaseled their way out of it. 2. We had Townies in the 1st edition of the run-off and they made convincing enough arguments for others to change their votes. 3. We had Townies in the 1st edition, and ever more paranoid Townies flinging poop and throwing other Townies in the run-off all the while the Mafia have not been threatened or close to being in the run-off.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Apr 14, 2012 7:49:18 GMT -5
Hakuna, CMP, and roonectar....
What do you guys make of the run-off, and the change from how it started out? Do you guys feel like we are hanging ourselves because of the the distractions and allowing Mafia to get away, or do you feel like we have some Mafia in the run-off?
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
LLL, Personally there is just a ton going on and I'm trying to digest it all. For the moment I'm going to keep my vote as it . Honestly of the run off Bonzai is the least suspicious to me, and at the moment I'm not completely sold on any of you other 3. I think there is a lot of smoke being blown, so I don't really want to force my vote based on that. I'd love to hear from CMP and roonectar as well.
1. Forgot that you are playing?!??! 2. If you know, why are you nulling??
Bonnie, you've played with LD before, what do you make of this? You seem pretty skeptical.
His playing style varies. He's been off the wall DJ crazy and he has been quieter. I don't think that I have seen him THIS quiet before, but I do remember one time I thought he was being suuper quiet (but Iself-explained his quietness because of Occupy involvement), he was mafia, and that decision ended up in the long run, why the townies lost. It was up to me to vote between a real and fake inspector, and I chose the real being with LD. Maybe I am still a little bitter
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
As far as my vote for Bonzai, it really was a reciprocal vote. I figured I could go back and change to viking need be, since I did want him in the run-off.
A question about this. At 8:26 EST, SFA voted for Viking, which was only 45 minutes before voting was announced to be cut off. If you thought you'd change it back, were you sitting around at that time to make sure? This is not an argument against the reciprocal vote.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
That's an interesting point. I find it somewhat hard to believe he didn't really know what he was doing with that vote. SFA is too good a player for that. Maybe he threw one more player in late to try to protect a fellow mafia that was already in the run-off.
I get what your saying LLL but this was pretty his style last game too. He took major offense to the idea that SFA and I were making calls and he even was too thick to get that me saying I was a run away for the MVP of the game was a joke.
I'm not saying he is innocent but i dont think his posting style is enough to go either way. I do think there are some very damning things that he posted that SFA pointed out. All the inspector/fake inspector stuff was weird. I really have no reason to believe LD is on either side, but he was the one I wanted to hear from the most. I hope that he explains himself before the end of this.
I get your reciprocation of the Bonzai vote and I am also glad she is here. Another player I want to hear more from. That said I would have not done the same in your shoes. If we were to decide to do another run-off I would want it to be a 2-way between LLL and WVL. I am still very convinced that one of you has to be mafia. I just really can't tell which of you is and who your associates would be.
Who would you have rather had? Are you saying there is someone else you would have rather had in the run-off? If so, I'd like your feedback. I always keep my eye on quieter players. One is usually Inspector, and there are always one or two Mafia hoping to slide by while we slice our own throats.
I'm a little concerned about you and Mike D putting LD in. While he is quiet, I feel like he could be an easy Mafia target. He is someone that a few of the players would not even defend, mainly because of the previous games they have played with him. From what I have read, it seems that some of the players felt like he sabotaged at least one game, and I think that those players would silently allow him to be voted off.
Do you have any specific reason why you think that he is a good choice for the run-off? What about you Mike D?
As far as my vote for Bonzai, it really was a reciprocal vote. I figured I could go back and change to viking need be, since I did want him in the run-off.
I'm really eager to see how everyone else votes, and I do absolutely agree we should whittle this down to a two person run-off. I feel two person run-offs are more telling.
I'm not saying that there are people who I would have rather had in the run-off, just that the idea that I am running this game like I diid the first round last game is crazy. I've been really quite in comparison.
Duddits, I notice you aren't a big talker in most games, but you usually have good things to say. Do you have any other insight into the choices for the run-off? Which of the following reasons you gave are you leaning towards?
SFA, to reply to your question of why I feel and/or changed my feelings about a 3 person run-off vs a 2 person run-off boils down to probability really the more I think about it. As a Townie I have no idea who is who, if there are 3 people in a run-off it increases the odds of one or more being Mafia. Obviously this goes both ways and also increases the odds of Townies being in the run-off.
However as a Townie in the first round I have no idea who anyone is other than myself, so I know that's at least one Townie not in this run-off. Also as a Townie I have no idea which Mafia would be "stacking" votes in a 2 person run-off in the first round. Now after the 1st day is over I think its a good idea to start going to 2 person run-offs and looking at voting patterns with a more careful eye in days 1 and 2 and also take into considderation who was whacked in Night 1.
LLL, I agree, I'm troubled by the amount of times the run-off candidates have changed. This means one of three things.
1. We had Mafia in the 1st edition of the run-off and they weaseled their way out of it. 2. We had Townies in the 1st edition of the run-off and they made convincing enough arguments for others to change their votes. 3. We had Townies in the 1st edition, and ever more paranoid Townies flinging poop and throwing other Townies in the run-off all the while the Mafia have not been threatened or close to being in the run-off.
I honestly feel like I have little insight right now. MikeD voting for himself could have just been in jest, but it also could be a ploy as a Mafia member. Voting for yourself that early in the game doesn't really make you look like Mafia, which was maybe the point? I don't know.
I think of the three scenarios I posted that # 1 would make the most sense. From a Townie's standpoint I'm voting blindly. Nobody in my opinion had truly done or said anything suspicious at that point in the game. Then the run-off candidates change not once, but twice. Unless Townies are playing with personal vendettas against other players it seems more likely the Mafia would attempt to initiate the switching of run-off candidates, especially if there was a Mafia in the 1st potential run-off.
That's an interesting point. I find it somewhat hard to believe he didn't really know what he was doing with that vote. SFA is too good a player for that. Maybe he threw one more player in late to try to protect a fellow mafia that was already in the run-off.
I've actually voted at the last moment several times in pasts games. Everytime I can remember doin it,, it's had nothing to do with taking advantage of the closing time because I tend to forget about that. I did it last game CST said it was fishy.
Honestly, we were getting close to day 4 without even a first round runoff. I simply wasn't thinking about the votes closing. I've got a long history of not being a fan of 3 and 4 day runoffs. It's even discussed in this thread. And if you look back you and I were talking about the runoff right before it happened. I was watching the Coach feed and reading over the game. Wasn't even thinking about it ending or how many people were potential in it.
Also, if I was mafia. I already had a chance to have Viking in the runoff. I would have set on it then. I also wouldn't have chosing him to go in because he has talked his way out of several runoff before. That would be a dangerous choice if I was truly trying to protect someone.
I also wouldn't have chosing him to go in because he has talked his way out of several runoff before. That would be a dangerous choice if I was truly trying to protect someone.
I disagree with that completely. If I were trying to protect someone I would have gone with WVL to put in the run-off. He would be the easiest to damn and to convince other voters that they should be suspicious of him. To a certain degree that is why I'm laying off of him right now. To use the same LOTR quote as I did last game "I think a servant of the Enemy would look fairer and feel fouler". Maybe I'm wrong and maybe he is playing me that is why I'm cool with him in the run-off and why I would be ok with a second run-off between him and LLL.
Who would you have rather had? Are you saying there is someone else you would have rather had in the run-off? If so, I'd like your feedback. I always keep my eye on quieter players. One is usually Inspector, and there are always one or two Mafia hoping to slide by while we slice our own throats.
I'm a little concerned about you and Mike D putting LD in. While he is quiet, I feel like he could be an easy Mafia target. He is someone that a few of the players would not even defend, mainly because of the previous games they have played with him. From what I have read, it seems that some of the players felt like he sabotaged at least one game, and I think that those players would silently allow him to be voted off.
Do you have any specific reason why you think that he is a good choice for the run-off? What about you Mike D?
As far as my vote for Bonzai, it really was a reciprocal vote. I figured I could go back and change to viking need be, since I did want him in the run-off.
I'm really eager to see how everyone else votes, and I do absolutely agree we should whittle this down to a two person run-off. I feel two person run-offs are more telling.
I'm not saying that there are people who I would have rather had in the run-off, just that the idea that I am running this game like I diid the first round last game is crazy. I've been really quite in comparison.
I agree. I don't think that you have been running the game at all. I found your Mike D vote a bit suspicious. But at this point, I don't think that you are too suspicious at all, and you are quiet comparatively. I'm just wondering if you think that maybe I should have chosen a different quiet player, one other than Bonzai.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Honestly I think it's a complete crap shoot between the 6 quite players. Bonzai has gotten a little more vocal since then. It's possible that is her trying to make-up for being too quiet as mafia. Just as well she could be doing that as a towny.
Same with LD and his "forgot about the game" shtick.
That said it is just as likely that the quite mafia(s) are not in the run-off
Mike D 7 CMPMGCTRCKS 6 Duddits 6 Lowerdeck 5 hakunaMATTata 5 roonectar 3
At this point I would probably prefer having roonectar over bonzai but at the end of the day I have nothing to really go on with any of them at this point. The best we can hope for is that the combination of today's lynch and tonight's mafia hit give us and most importantly the inspector some clues. That said if I were inspector I would probably be asking about the power players from this round (LLL, WVL, SFA and me). Getting an innocent or guilty on any of us would reveal the most about what is going on in the game imo.
Trying to get the heat off you and turn it to me? I don't think so...
I find it pretty odd that you interpret my question to you that way. I am trying to illicit conversation from the quieter players since you aren't saying much on your own. I'm afraid that you are feeling a bit overwhelmed by mine and Viking's big mouths frankly, so I am trying to include you. I do this every game. The only way the townies are going to win is if we can figure out who the other townies are and this helps me. I did it to EVERYONE else too, not must you.
I found your Mike D comment kind of weird because I went back and checked the first round of the last few games you played, as well as a few other rounds. I just don't see you guys vote for each other right off that much. However, I frankly don't find you to be that suspicious at all. I do find it suspicious that Mike D and Bacon seemed to have turned to you. I thought that was kind of odd, especially when I couldn't really find a history of you and Mike D voting for each other a lot. If you read my post about my fears that they were trying to pick you of because they didn't think that anyone would defend you.
How you interpret all of this as me putting "heat" on you is beyond me.
1. I sat out the last couple games, these things happen. Especially when you're not getting a zillion PMs about it. 2. Retaliation votes aren't going to help me right now. I'm not sure why Bacon threw me in, other than "being quiet". I'm not being suspicious. And then MikeD and I always vote for each other... what is it with us two?
LD Who would you have liked to have seen in a run-off? Not necessarily out of who is in the run-off, but based on play so far, which two players might have given us a greater chance of getting Mafia?
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
As far as my vote for Bonzai, it really was a reciprocal vote. I figured I could go back and change to viking need be, since I did want him in the run-off.
A question about this. At 8:26 EST, SFA voted for Viking, which was only 45 minutes before voting was announced to be cut off. If you thought you'd change it back, were you sitting around at that time to make sure? This is not an argument against the reciprocal vote.
Yes I was, I was waiting to see how SFA was going to vote. I was online the whole time that night. I have a lot of computer work to do for my job, so I frequently stay on Inforoo and minimize it while I do my work. I was actually online until almost 2am that night.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.