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And yet 2 of this year's Lollapalooza's headliners (Jack White, RHCP) were Hangout headliners. 1 of Bonnaroo's headliners (RHCP) was a Hangout headliner. Finally, 1 of Coachella and Lollapalooza's headliners (Black Keys) wasn't big enough to be a headliner at the Hangout in 2011.
And yet 2 of this year's Lollapalooza's headliners (Jack White, RHCP) were Hangout headliners. 1 of Bonnaroo's headliners (RHCP) was a Hangout headliner. Finally, 1 of Coachella and Lollapalooza's headliners (Black Keys) wasn't big enough to be a headliner at the Hangout in 2011.
Hangout only has like half the undercards as the big 4. If they increase the ticket prices by a little bit again this year, they can afford anyone they want. I'd say it was closer to 40k this year than 35k. I don't care what they said they capped it at. There were clearly more people there than in 2011.
I find it funny that people think acts like Prince and Paul McCartney would be at Hangout. Hangout is a great little festival, but it's capped at 35K. They aren't going to spend the money to bring in a true "get" like Prince, Macca, Springsteen, etc. Hangout also (unfortunately or not) doesn't have the cache of something like Coachella, Lolla, Bonnaroo (the "big" fests) where major acts like that would be likely to play.
I would argue that Paul Simon was a pretty huge get in 2011, and I also think the money is there to get just about anyone. DMB and RHCP might have been easy to book, but they aren't cheap. You're absolutely right about the limited cache, though. Hangout isn't going to coax someone like Macca or Prince to headline out of the blue, which is something Coachella or Bonnaroo could pull off. But I don't think either artist (or others like them) would be impossible, as long as they were touring at the right time. Also, I would consider Springsteen one of those touring workhorses. He's a huge get for any festival in the world, but he isn't as elusive as someone like Prince.
And yet 2 of this year's Lollapalooza's headliners (Jack White, RHCP) were Hangout headliners. 1 of Bonnaroo's headliners (RHCP) was a Hangout headliner. Finally, 1 of Coachella and Lollapalooza's headliners (Black Keys) wasn't big enough to be a headliner at the Hangout in 2011.
The Black Keys weren't big enough to headline anything in 2011, but they sure as sh*t were in 2012. What's your point here?
And you're kind of proving my point - Hangout does a good job of being a mid-sized fest, where the acts they get are the ones doing the festival rounds. RHCP headlined everything they could get their mitts on last year. Same with Jack White (except Bonnaroo, which was bizarre). They didn't have the more "limited" acts that fests like Bonnaroo and Coachella booked (Dre & Snoop, Phish, Radiohead, Beach Boys, all Coachella's reunion acts, etc.) Hangout stays their lane with a nicely composed lineup mixing some jam, some modern rock, some classic stuff, and a handful of ultra popular EDM acts. They do it well, they're probably the premier mid-sized festival at this point, but that's about it. If anything, I feel like Hangout is what Langerado could have become (though Langerado's 2008 lineup was amazing in that it culled a bunch of acts who didn't appear at ANY other fests that year).
I'm proving your point? You said that the Hangout isn't big enough to get the headliners that Bonnaroo, Coachella, and Lollapalooza can get. How, exactly, does demonstrating that the Hangout got the same headliners that the "big" festivals got prove your point?
Post by 3post1jack1 on Oct 23, 2012 14:11:48 GMT -5
I think Zislins goal is to become one of those festival destinations that can coax the crazy big names. I think we will see ticket prices climb every year, making Hangout a more exclusive festival. They will chase revenue through higher ticket prices, until maybe one year when it doesn't sell out, then they'll know they've hit the ceiling. As revenue and cash increases, so will their ability to offer big bucks for big names, assuming by this time the Hangout crew will have a myriad of connections through the industry, which they achieved by treating their artists like kings.
Basically I think the strategy is to offer a higher quality product to both fans and artists, and to charge the fans accordingly. It is a different from the traditional festival business plan, but it makes sense. Of course I am just speculating.
The only way Prince or Macca wouldn't cripple the rest of the talent is by higher ticket prices. I'd pay 350-400 a ticket for a higher calibre of acts at that festival because of the location and the intimacy of it.
HUKA crew has a shit ton of resources and a heavy reputation as promoters that know what they are doing and know how to treat performers. Providing a high paying gig that is essentially a high-end vacation is a pretty good "use of resources", a good bit more so than dissing a member of the Grateful Dead and their fanbase which the festival industry would not survive without.
I was unaware that dreadlocked faux-hippies were propping up ACL, Bonnaroo, Outside Lands, Coachella, Sasquatch, Lollapalooza, Voodoo, Made in America, Ultra, Jazzfest, NFF, Hangout, etc.
That's because you are not a student of the industry.
All points Juggs is making in this thread are spot on. I love that festival, and I know he's spot on. Don't get pissy, what he's saying is accurate FOR NOW.
I think it will change in the future, specifically because of how good the festival is and the great reputation it has from fans and (I assume) artists alike.
However, they have created a supply/demand imbalance due to the size of the Fest and the quality of the experience and the music. So something WILL change. They're in a great position to raise ticket prices. They know they could have easily charged an extra 20$ a hea last year and made an extra 700 grand. Or split that money by upgrading one or 2 acts and pocketing more $ to boot.
My long, drawn out point is: expect ticket prices AND talent level to go up over time. They WILL find a way to expand and make more money. It's the American way.
I guess a "get' is based on personal opinion, then. Personally, I feel he's a bigger "get" than Springsteen and Radiohead. And if we look at how Stranger in the Alps define's "get", we find that Paul Simon meets those requirements.
I may have missed something, but my Google-fu shows that he played Glastonbury in the UK in 2011 as well as the Hangout in the US. And this year he played another UK festival called Hard Rock Calling. It looks like he was on the initial lineup for the Glastonbury 2012 but that got cancelled/postponed because of the Summer Olympics. Other than that, it looks like there have been no other festival appearances for Paul Simon this year.
Last Edit: Oct 24, 2012 17:26:13 GMT -5 by silk - Back to Top
Sorry, after I saw that he was the only performer at the festival on July 1, 2011, I didn't count that as a festival, because it appeared to me that the Itunes Festival is a month long concert-series at The Roadhouse in London. My apologies.
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Post by frankthezappa on Oct 26, 2012 15:59:11 GMT -5
does anyone know when hang out does a pre-sale and tickets in general? Also is there any good places to camp in gulf shores i wanna go but theres no way i can afford to stay somewhere all weekend. Its close to where I live but i couldnt drive back and forth from gulf shores to home.
This thread is amazing fun. The idea that Paul Simon is even close to as big of a get as Bruce is insane. Look at the places they play, the prices they charge, and the number of tickets they sell. It is not even close. Bruce has the kind of clout that almost no other bands have. We are talking U2 levels nearly
I think an argument can be made that Paul Simon is an equivalent get as Bruce Springsteen.
Maybe Im wrong, and correct me if I am, but I don't see Paul Simon doing extensive touring and haven't in a while. And I haven't seen him on many fest lineups. (like I said, maybe Im out of touch with this)
I would like to see either equally, and I figure I will have more chances to see The Boss than Paul Simon.
Makes sense. I just haven't seen Paul Simon on the bill for any other festivals, and if he plays little amphitheaters I'd assume he isn't all that expensive and should be at a lot more. I wonder what the reason is that he doesn't play many?
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