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Post by justinmn9319 on Sept 10, 2014 8:03:15 GMT -5
sand·wich ?san?(d)wiCH/Submit noun 1. an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.
A hot dog is not a sandwich, as it only requires one piece of bread.
sand·wich ?san?(d)wiCH/Submit noun 1. an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.
A hot dog is not a sandwich, as it only requires one piece of bread.
If you split the bun down the middle (like it sometimes naturally does anyway) then you have two pieces of bread. Just because they are slightly connected doesn't mean it's not a sandwich. A lot of rolls don't get cut all the way through on some sandwiches. That doesn't make them any less of a sandwich.
sand·wich ?san?(d)wiCH/Submit noun 1. an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.
A hot dog is not a sandwich, as it only requires one piece of bread.
An open faced club sandwich requires only one piece of bread.
sand·wich ?san?(d)wiCH/Submit noun 1. an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.
A hot dog is not a sandwich, as it only requires one piece of bread.
An open faced club sandwich requires only one piece of bread.
Don't shame our state.
Just reading a definition, not my personal beliefs.
If wraps are considered sandwiches (correct answer: they are) then the arguments against hot dogs being sandwiches based on the single-piece nature of a traditional bun are void.
aid you're speaking of wraps made with tortillas, that is not a sandwich. Tortilla does not equal adequate sandwich making tool.
If wraps are considered sandwiches (correct answer: they are) then the arguments against hot dogs being sandwiches based on the single-piece nature of a traditional bun are void.
aid you're speaking of wraps made with tortillas, that is not a sandwich. Tortilla does not equal adequate sandwich making tool.
Post by monkybunney on Sept 10, 2014 23:46:41 GMT -5
I can't believe we're still having this debate. If the main ingredients lie between 2 pieces of bread, that is to say that your upper teeth will contact bread at the same time your bottom teeth are contacting bread in order to take a proper bite, it IS a sandwich that you are eating. emoney a tortilla while having many bread like qualities is not proper bread. By that reasoning every burrito you've ever eaten is actually a sandwich. I don't subscribe to the hot dog is a proper sandwich belief either. A proper sandwich is a slice of bread on which you've piled some stuff and covered with another slice of bread. The only way a hotdog becomes a sandwich is if you turn it sideways and eat it like a hoagie. At that point it becomes a wiener sandwich.
I should never underestimate Inforoo's love of lengthy debates on utterly inconsequential topics. Allow me to set the record straight for you doubters.
A sandwich is one or more pieces of bread, which has been subsequenty topped with an assortment of meats, vegetables, cheeses, and/or condiments. These can be quite different in many ways, just as a wheat beer is markedly different than a stout - but they both fall under the larger sandwich (or beer) umbrella. These include, but are not limited to:
- burgers - club sandwiches - open-faced sandwiches - bagel melts - panini - cheesesteaks - lobster rolls - butties - toasties - reubens - banh mi - subs - bruschetta - monte cristo - croque Monsieur / Madame - po boys - sloppy joes - muffulettas
Sandwiches do NOT include those which are prepared on flatbreads and generally rolled into a cylindrical shape, such as:
...and so forth. To claim a burger is not a sandwich is like claiming a cappuccino is not a coffee; at best, you are hedging your argument on an iffy technicality. Is that all becoming crystal clear now?
I can't believe we're still having this debate. If the main ingredients lie between 2 pieces of bread, that is to say that your upper teeth will contact bread at the same time your bottom teeth are contacting bread in order to take a proper bite, it IS a sandwich that you are eating. emoney a tortilla while having many bread like qualities is not proper bread. By that reasoning every burrito you've ever eaten is actually a sandwich. I don't subscribe to the hot dog is a proper sandwich belief either. A proper sandwich is a slice of bread on which you've piled some stuff and covered with another slice of bread. The only way a hotdog becomes a sandwich is if you turn it sideways and eat it like a hoagie. At that point it becomes a wiener sandwich.
Sandwich segregationists generally prefer to designate tacos and the like with the separate-but-equal designation of "wraps" – which is a distinction without a difference. Arguing against the wrap's inclusion in the sandwich category merely returns us to the hinge contention militating against the hot dog. Its functionality, however, easily demonstrates a means of conveying meat or other fillers with portability and a lack of utensils. Thus, not only is a taco a sandwich, but so is a burrito (and its Levantine antecedent, the gyro) – the only difference being that one is more neatly packaged than the other, analogous to the difference between a sloppy-pressed reuben and the near-hermetic sandwich tubes of Jimmy Johns. (Meanwhile, the taquito is a finger sandwich.)
But! you might protest, what of the nature of the wrap itself? Well, what of it? If you wish to argue that the substance encasing the meat in a wrap cannot qualify as bread because it is too flat, then the rabbi Hillel the Elder's willingness to dine on unleavened sandwiches over 2,000 years ago dispatches that argument. A flour tortilla is just a flat loaf of bread without yeast in it and, as for a corn tortilla, that is processed just like wheat flour.
(If you, however, wish to argue that it is not the processing but the corn itself that cannot become bread, then you have just radically postulated the nonexistence of cornbread, whose breadedness has heretofore never been in dispute.)
Post by heyyitskait on Sept 11, 2014 7:27:32 GMT -5
I'm going to ask every chef I encounter today if a hamburger is a sandwich.
I'm probably going to completely derail my classical cuisine class this morning. You're welcome, Inforoo. I didn't want to learn about southern/creole cuisine anyway.
I should never underestimate Inforoo's love of lengthy debates on utterly inconsequential topics. Allow me to set the record straight for you doubters.
A sandwich is one or more pieces of bread, which has been subsequenty topped with an assortment of meats, vegetables, cheeses, and/or condiments. These can be quite different in many ways, just as a wheat beer is markedly different than a stout - but they both fall under the larger sandwich (or beer) umbrella. These include, but are not limited to:
- burgers - club sandwiches - open-faced sandwiches - bagel melts - panini - cheesesteaks - lobster rolls - butties - toasties - reubens - banh mi - subs - bruschetta - monte cristo - croque Monsieur / Madame - po boys - sloppy joes - muffulettas
Sandwiches do NOT include those which are prepared on flatbreads and generally rolled into a cylindrical shape, such as:
...and so forth. To claim a burger is not a sandwich is like claiming a cappuccino is not a coffee; at best, you are hedging your argument on an iffy technicality. Is that all becoming crystal clear now?
Wait, why is a lobster roll a sandwich but not a hot dog? They have the same bread.
I should never underestimate Inforoo's love of lengthy debates on utterly inconsequential topics. Allow me to set the record straight for you doubters.
A sandwich is one or more pieces of bread, which has been subsequenty topped with an assortment of meats, vegetables, cheeses, and/or condiments. These can be quite different in many ways, just as a wheat beer is markedly different than a stout - but they both fall under the larger sandwich (or beer) umbrella. These include, but are not limited to:
- burgers - club sandwiches - open-faced sandwiches - bagel melts - panini - cheesesteaks - lobster rolls - butties - toasties - reubens - banh mi - subs - bruschetta - monte cristo - croque Monsieur / Madame - po boys - sloppy joes - muffulettas
Sandwiches do NOT include those which are prepared on flatbreads and generally rolled into a cylindrical shape, such as:
...and so forth. To claim a burger is not a sandwich is like claiming a cappuccino is not a coffee; at best, you are hedging your argument on an iffy technicality. Is that all becoming crystal clear now?
Wait, why is a lobster roll a sandwich but not a hot dog? They have the same bread.
I didn't want to learn about Southern cuisine anyway.
I mean, seriously, you should know how to bread and fry things by this point anyway.
I get a good chuckle when people think it's just as simple as dunking some chicken/pork/literally any protein in flour and frying it up.
Oh, and according to today's Chef (only got to talk to one today), burgers are indeed a sandwich. He also said "Just because it doesn't have sandwich after it, doesn't mean it's not one."
But where's the line between bread and non-bread? Is a roll bread? What about a croissant? Remember KFC's Double Down, which used two pieces of chicken instead of bread? Was that a sandwich?
And if a hot dog isn't a sandwich, then why is a hoagie (sub/grinder/etc. depending on dialect) a sandwich? Or isn't it?
But where's the line between bread and non-bread? Is a roll bread? What about a croissant? Remember KFC's Double Down, which used two pieces of chicken instead of bread? Was that a sandwich?
And if a hot dog isn't a sandwich, then why is a hoagie (sub/grinder/etc. depending on dialect) a sandwich? Or isn't it?
A croissant can be used in sandwich making. It is bread. It follows the standard recipe for yeasted doughs (flour, salt, yeast, water). Technically, it is a rich yeasted dough because of the addition of delicious butter and possibly dairy (depends on how rich you want it).
Thank you for bringing hoagies/subs into the argument. I wanted to when I brought up hot dogs, but figured it would be shouted down.
I should never underestimate Inforoo's love of lengthy debates on utterly inconsequential topics. Allow me to set the record straight for you doubters.
A sandwich is one or more pieces of bread, which has been subsequenty topped with an assortment of meats, vegetables, cheeses, and/or condiments. These can be quite different in many ways, just as a wheat beer is markedly different than a stout - but they both fall under the larger sandwich (or beer) umbrella. These include, but are not limited to:
[blah, blah, blah]
...and so forth. To claim a burger is not a sandwich is like claiming a cappuccino is not a coffee; at best, you are hedging your argument on an iffy technicality. Is that all becoming crystal clear now?
Wait, why is a lobster roll a sandwich but not a hot dog? They have the same bread.
This is a valid point. We shouldn't exclude food on rolls because by that logic an Italian/hoagie/sub/grinder is not a sandwich. I believe that if any manner of food is SANDWICHED between any other manner of food it becomes a sandwich (i.e. the KFC double down). But maybe we should distinguish between a "sandwich" following my previous definition from a "SANDWICH PROPER" which would only be the standard sandwiches that we fully agree upon as sandwiches such as a turkey and Swiss on Rye or a grilled cheese on Sourdough. You know? That would leave burgers and lobster rolls in the realm of sandwich-hood but exclude them from the category of sandwich proper.
Sandwich.
If you say it enough it doesn't seem like a real word anymore...
I'll eat sausages without a bun (like with sauerkraut), but I guess it could be considered a "sausage sandwich" when it comes on a hoagie with marinara sauce, the same way I call it a meatball sandwich when the meatballs come on a hoagie with marinara. and hot dogs are just (much much) inferior sausages. so, I guess hot dogs on buns could be sandwiches.
Wait, why is a lobster roll a sandwich but not a hot dog? They have the same bread.
I will concede there are shades of grey here, and the hot dog tows the line more than most on that list. However, I felt it had more in common with its single-handed, cylindrically-shaped brethren than it did with burgers and sandwiches.
An even iffier case would be the Australian delicacy known as the sausage sizzle. This is a sausage with caramelised onions and tomato sauce, all rolled up in a piece of white bread. It's also the only time I ever miss eating beef anymore.
Is it technically a sandwich? And if not, what is it? Well, it can kinda go either way... like a bi-sandwich-ual. But it's very tasty, and that's really all you need to know.
The lobster roll is more of a cultural thing; I spent 12 years in New England, where the seafood is delicious and plentiful, so the rolls I'm thinking of are really more like lobster subs. Come up New England way sometime; I'm sure some of the Inforoosters of the region will be happy to show you how it's done.
It'll go fabulously. I'll eat a sandwich -perhaps even pop my perv sandwich cherry- and maybe I'll eat a burger (tooootttsss!), I just won't call the burger a sandwich.
I know and accept what technical definitions are, but I consider this thread what a sandwich is to ME. If I say lets go out for sandwiches, what kind of foods are acceptable to go out for before I say, "oh you want to go out for burgers instead?"
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal. 
