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Zapp's example is a great one. Shows how this type of feature could be implemented. I also like the example of groups of people that are going to shows/festivals that aren't Roo and being able to chat with each other.
We're looking at options and going to discuss this topic and hope we can satisfy as many people as possible.
I mean. Look. I get why Inforoo has a blanket policy on no dr*g discussion. But it's a little bit ridiculous that a forum based on a music festival (where lots and lots of people engage in that kind of activity) can't have any such discussion. And I'm not talking stupid sh*t like "hey bro, ill be in the back of the Other Tent with heady nuggz at 4:20 lolz," but a place where people who choose to engage in that sort of activity can have a frank discussion about it. A private thread would enable that, without making it look as if the whole community was endorsing that activity.
I get it. I hear what you're asking for and I do think there is some benefit to something along these lines. Just trying to iron out all the details and make sure all concerns are heard
The vibe I'm getting is that it's sort of like facebook and it's private message system.
You can post on facebook and it's public (post on the main board and it's public) but if you want to have a private chat with 6 buddies who you are going to a show with (or say...6 friends on here you want to discuss the lineup with) then you can make a private group message where only the people you sent it to can see and respond to. If needed you can add others to the discussion.
Does that sound like what you're describing? If not, where am I missing details or wht did I get wrong?
Yeah, essentially.
For instance, there's a thread in the Which Stage about leaked albums. Basically, post covers/tracklists, but no links (clearly - since we don't want to be linking to potentially-illegal downloads). A private group dedicated to the sharing of music would enable those folks to trade links to the albums they're finding, and so on. It's a companion to the main board, not a replacement, not a segregation tactic.
Do you people opposed to it get mad that you arent included in every PM sent on this forum every day?
I mean really?
Its the same thing. Private discussion.
it is absolutely not the same thing. private messages are totally different than starting a thread and being elitist over who can post there and who can't. that is not even a comparison.
Do you people opposed to it get mad that you arent included in every PM sent on this forum every day?
I mean really?
Its the same thing. Private discussion.
it is absolutely not the same thing. private messages are totally different than starting a thread and being elitist over who can post there and who can't. that is not even a comparison.
Its absolutely the same thing.
Its a private thread that if you arent invited to, you wont even know existed!
Just like if I sent a group of people a PM about something, and didnt include you. You would never even know it existed, because its "private"
I'll take your advice and try using email although we all know threads are much easier in an environment that's designed for them rather than having to make sure you hit 'reply to all' every time and trying to navigate whatever horrendous interface your email client has that isn't meant for what we're talking about.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jan 8, 2013 16:56:12 GMT -5
Yea, to be fair when the thread started it was more of a "private sub forum" type thing so it's easy for people to assume that's what is still being suggested. It seems the discussion has made it's way towards more of a private message/"Groups" type of thing. Like instead of a separate section it would just be an upgraded PM situation. Something that works better than our current PMs and would allow for easy group chat.
Zapp's example is the best. A bunch of inforoosters have been pitching in with his site Tactile Tracks, but Zapp has to send out messages to all of us that we can't have group interactions with. I would like to be able to do that. I think it'd a) be fun, b) help people get inspiration or whatever you want to call it, and c) would give everyone a central location to check for updates and stuff while doing our typical inforooing.
This isn't segregating inforoo.
I love Zapp, and his website, and that he pulls inforoosters in to write for it...but this is a very specific example.
I think the flip side is important to examine, as well. How it could be used for evil/meanspirited/wankery/elitist purposes. And how that may be avoided...
If you want me to list examples, I'll fill 30 pages with specific examples (I know you don't want that). The reason I used a specific example like that is because it involves multiple people in this discussion and exemplifies what the purpose of this change would be.
I already stated that the mods should have full access and if they deem something being set up that is not constructive in any way they can shut it down, in the same way threads are locked.
so who decides who an in idiot? you? juggs? me? b/c i think we both know that i think juggs is a huge idiot. why should any of us get the say so in that?
Dude, what the f*ck is your deal? Why are you looking at this from this perspective? How many threads do you check daily? 10? Maybe? What is the big deal if one of the countless threads you don't normally check is invite-only and you can't take part in it? I don't understand your thinking.
Group PMs would be a start, yeah. It wouldn't EXACTLY be the same as a free-flowing discussion, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. The other problem with group PMs would be if we wanted to add someone to the discussion later. Say, for instance, I start "Juggs' Sooper Seekrit Lineup Leaks Thread," and after a month or so I realize that this is something that Phi might be interested in. If I add him to a thread/group, he can scroll back and see all the previous posts. If it's a group PM, it'd be more difficult to catch up.
We'll look into that.
Plus I don't think you'd add Phi, so it's a bit of a moot point.
Group PMs would be a start, yeah. It wouldn't EXACTLY be the same as a free-flowing discussion, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. The other problem with group PMs would be if we wanted to add someone to the discussion later. Say, for instance, I start "Juggs' Sooper Seekrit Lineup Leaks Thread," and after a month or so I realize that this is something that Phi might be interested in. If I add him to a thread/group, he can scroll back and see all the previous posts. If it's a group PM, it'd be more difficult to catch up.
Good point. These are the types of things we need to hear from everyone about. I wouldn't think to look into that type of thing until you just brought that up.
I'll take your advice and try using email although we all know threads are much easier in an environment that's designed for them rather than having to make sure you hit 'reply to all' every time and trying to navigate whatever horrendous interface your email client has that isn't meant for what we're talking about.
zapp your example is not how 99.9% of these "threads" will be used.
and as i said before, i wasn't aware that inforoo was the place for people to conduct business. if you are saying a bunch of things you don't want people to see then maybe you shouldn't be doing it here.
Dude, what the f*ck is your deal? Why are you looking at this from this perspective? How many threads do you check daily? 10? Maybe? What is the big deal if one of the countless threads you don't normally check is invite-only and you can't take part in it? I don't understand your thinking.
i'm so sorry i'm not part of your circle jerk. i forgot no one is allowed to have a different opinion than you, so sorry.
you have no idea how many threads i check a day. just b/c i don't post in them doesn't mean i don't read them. don't pretend like you even know me.
The point is, he doesn't "conduct business" here because it's too public. He'd like a spot where he can "conduct business" (also known as "have everyone involved take part in the creative process") without cluttering up public threads or sending 3497835897345897345 individual PM's.
They have a big button on every group page that says "Join group". I'm guessing they require group mod approval to join, but I'm not in any of them so I don't know
It's more like I met most of those people here and this is our common ground so it makes sense to communicate on here. Plus if the person was to not want to check up on it, it wouldn't be invading their email inbox anytime someone made a post. They could pop in, get caught up and not have their private life intruded upon by countless emails.
i'm so sorry i'm not part of your circle jerk. i forgot no one is allowed to have a different opinion than you, so sorry.
you have no idea how many threads i check a day. just b/c i don't post in them doesn't mean i don't read them. don't pretend like you even know me.
How is this constructive
you plainly said you don't understand my thinking and i was apologizing for not thinking the way you do b/c that is obviously the only and best way to think.
Just a few other points: I have some good friends who work at large indie labels or other random parts of the industry. They give me interesting tidbits now and then, stuff that I'd never share with the whole board/world, but would gladly pass on to a controlled group.
Also, I would welcome a place I could have a frank discussion about politics with people I trust. It may surprise some of you but I really have to hold back on the main thread.
This is how I look at the whole thing. I would look at most of these private threads ideas as, you passed the inforoo backround check. For me a group message would feel to much like a live conversation. Threds have a different feel where you can just add something and be on your way. I think if anybody that would use this feature with malicious intent would find a way to do so otherwise, be it facebook or some other means. I think its a feature that people could enjoy. Just my 2 cents.
you plainly said you don't understand my thinking and i was apologizing for not thinking the way you do b/c that is obviously the only and best way to think.
I could just empty quote my last post, but I'll ask again. What does having this attitude accomplish?
Someone came out with an idea, we're discussing it, whether you agree or disagree is besides the point, why are you attacking everyone with this sarcastic tone?
i'm so sorry i'm not part of your circle jerk. i forgot no one is allowed to have a different opinion than you, so sorry.
you have no idea how many threads i check a day. just b/c i don't post in them doesn't mean i don't read them. don't pretend like you even know me.
So the only things we should be allowed to discuss on here are things we'd like shared with the whole entire world? Is that your viewpoint? And if we want to discuss something that we'd like kept even remotely private, we need to take it to e-mail?
This is a remarkably closed-off point of view. You, as much as anyone here, know that people have formed friendships and connections on this board, and may find themselves very comfortable having open discussions with other people. So why not enable those people to have a place where they can discuss things in a bit more private manner? Like Horn said, I'd love to talk politics, or mental health, or dr*gs, or yes, even music, with many people on here without fear that someone is going to jump in and clutter up the discussion or worse, use that information in a negative and/or malicious way.
um yes. i said one semi-private story in the sex thread and three years later people still give me shit about it. i wish i had NEVER posted it. i learned my lesson. if you don't want it out in public, don't post it online.
and as i said before, if you want to do a private forum that is fine with me but no way in hell should specific people be able to pick and chose who gets to post and who doesn't. that is not right.
