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People are going to drink and drive whether I do it or not, so I just do it. F*ck it, right?
There's a big difference between offsetting some of my Roo costs and putting lives in danger. It's offensive that you would use this analogy. It's not even close
Post by extremevagabonding on Feb 22, 2013 16:07:59 GMT -5
when does everyone think that the tickets will sell out ?? does anyone remember the year that theyve sold out extremely quick and if so how fast??? this will be my 3rd roo 2nd GA roo , im just curious as to how long my broke friend has until everyone else buys a ticket ?? hes worried that it will sell out as fast as coachella and squatch given the lineup. thank you
People are going to drink and drive whether I do it or not, so I just do it. F*ck it, right?
There's a big difference between offsetting some of my Roo costs and putting lives in danger. It's offensive that you would use this analogy. It's not even close
Ok, how about this then: activity x is wrong and has a negative effect on others. I know this because I can observe its negative effect. However, I also know that other people take part in activity x. Thus, because activity x's impact on society is already happening, more of this impact isn't wrong. Does that sound about right?
Any way that it is framed, you're still a sh*thead.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Feb 22, 2013 16:20:18 GMT -5
Selling a couple extra tickets above cost isn't akin to being a sleezy dirtball scalper. People want to spend a few extra bucks more because they d*rug their feet and didn't get tickets isn't surf's fault. I have sold tickets to shows many times and made a LITTLE bit of money- nothing that I'm supporting myself on. I sold tickets for less than what the average price was on the market and still made a little money and also had some very happy buyers from me. I have also had to pay above face many times because I didn't jump when I should have.
People who buy up tickets (large amounts) for the sole purpose of scalping said tickets are scalpers. Surf's just gonna buy a couple extra tickets and see if he can make a little money- big deal.
For what its worth it seems like music festivals are selling out really quick this year. Of course Coachella always sells out, but Sasquatch (which I usually travel from Wisconsin to attend) sold out in 90 mins. (Compared to the usual month or so) This lineup has pulled me and my friends away from Sasquatch and legal weed, and will be bringing us to the farm for the first time. We will also be purchasing VIP, mainly for the bathrooms and showers.
Ticket sales for Coachella are actually really soft this year. You can get a weekend 1 pass for $95 bucks right now. Weekend 1 of Ultra is going for $100 under face.
Also, not sure if I'm defending Surf or not here, but if I see a show I might want to go to I buy tickets. I very frequently decide not to go a resell those tickets on Stubhub, often because the price people are willing to pay me for them is far greater than the tickets value to me.
Ha, well you're a sh*thead too then. I just can't get behind that.
I bought a presale ticket for Bonnaroo this year. If something comes up and I can't go, should I resell it at the presale price, the face value, or whatever they're going for on Stubhub? I'm curious.
Note: I'm not buying four more tomorrow to scalp. I do think that's kinda shitty, but more so I think it's a stupid investment.
Ha, well you're a sh*thead too then. I just can't get behind that.
I bought a presale ticket for Bonnaroo this year. If something comes up and I can't go, should I resell it at the presale price, the face value, or whatever they're going for on Stubhub? I'm curious.
Note: I'm not buying four more tomorrow to scalp. I do think that's kinda shizzy, but more so I think it's a stupid investment.
Anytime I've been in the position where I need to resell a ticket, it's always been face or less. That's just me.
I understand why. It's a moral stance and I appreciate that and respect it. Maybe it's because of where I grew up and my experience at The Fens but I have my own feelings on the matter. My own opinions.
The reality is I could totally take a bath on the tickets. I bought my tickets for 130 each last year. So maybe I catch one on the chin. It's definitely possible.
Anytime I've been in the position where I need to resell a ticket, it's always been face or less. That's just me.
The reality is I could totally take a bath on the tickets. I bought my tickets for 130 each last year. So maybe I catch one on the chin. It's definitely possible.
I guess I'm wondering why chance it then? Why not just pocket the 600 you would spend on the 2 tickets and use that for your trip, rather than possibly taking a loss. No risk, No reward I suppose.
Post by problem dog on Feb 22, 2013 16:50:46 GMT -5
For me, it comes down to this: every ticket you buy with intent to resell could have been bought at face by someone who wants to go to the festival. If the festival sells out, you will have f*cked over two people. I don't see how that's even debatable.
Ha, well you're a sh*thead too then. I just can't get behind that.
I bought a presale ticket for Bonnaroo this year. If something comes up and I can't go, should I resell it at the presale price, the face value, or whatever they're going for on Stubhub? I'm curious.
Note: I'm not buying four more tomorrow to scalp. I do think that's kinda shizzy, but more so I think it's a stupid investment.
You're a sh*thead too.
Oh wait - I thought that was just a thing we were doing now. Nevermind.
For me, it comes down to this: every ticket you buy with intent to resell could have been bought at face by someone who wants to go to the festival. If the festival sells out, you will have f*cked over two people. I don't see how that's even debatable.
I totally agree with this. I just think that in a situation where I have personal tickets to a show that I'm planning to go to, if someone is essentially willing to pay me not to go, I'm willing to consider the offer.
For me, it comes down to this: every ticket you buy with intent to resell could have been bought at face by someone who wants to go to the festival. If the festival sells out, you will have f*cked over two people. I don't see how that's even debatable.
I totally agree with this. I just think that in a situation where I have personal tickets to a show that I'm planning to go to, if someone is essentially willing to pay me not to go, I'm willing to consider the offer.
I totally agree with this. I just think that in a situation where I have personal tickets to a show that I'm planning to go to, if someone is essentially willing to pay me not to go, I'm willing to consider the offer.
I'm more okay with this, but I can't get all the way there. I wouldn't call it scummy, but it's not something I would personally do. It's definitely better than buying tickets you have no intention of using.
I totally agree with this. I just think that in a situation where I have personal tickets to a show that I'm planning to go to, if someone is essentially willing to pay me not to go, I'm willing to consider the offer.
But why do you deserve that money?
I don't deserve anything. That's not the point. I'm planning on going to Bonnaroo this year. I bought my ticket early, I'm prepared and I'm gonna have a great time. But if some Johnny-come-lately offers me $1,500 for a ticket in May, I don't see why it would be so morally objectionable to take it. Not saying I necessarily would, but why is it repugnant to oblige someone who values a ticket that much more than I do?
Please note: I bought a Pitchfork 3-day and given the Bonnaroo lineup I won't be going. I made an open offer to resell it for face in the P4k thread the day I decided that.
Surfbum, you are totally ignoring the most important reason Bonnaroo fails to sell out as quick as the other major festivals every year. It has nothing to do with the lineup. It's because people realize it's not a three day festival in the middle of/or right next to a major city, surrounded by an infinite amount of relaxing accommodations. It's a four day camping festival on a farm in the country of nowhere Tennessee. People aren't as willing to give up their creature comforts when they can choose one of the other festivals (Lolla, Coach, ACL) and keep them. I'm sorry, but if you buy extra tickets, I can guarantee you that you will end up selling them outside of the gates for less than you payed.
I don't deserve anything. That's not the point. I'm planning on going to Bonnaroo this year. I bought my ticket early, I'm prepared and I'm gonna have a great time. But if some Johnny-come-lately offers me $1,500 for a ticket in May, I don't see why it would be so morally objectionable to take it. Not saying I necessarily would, but why is it repugnant to oblige someone who values a ticket that much more than I do?
Please note: I bought a Pitchfork 3-day and given the Bonnaroo lineup I won't be going. I made an open offer to resell it for face in the P4k thread the day I decided that.
Ok, I get what you're saying. You wouldn't be soliciting the increased price, someone would just be doggedly pursuing you to attain your ticket. That's a pretty unique situation, but no I don't think you'd be doing anything unethical by accepting. They're the ones taking the initiative.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Feb 22, 2013 17:26:23 GMT -5
That's pretty much the same situation I have found myself in before: Bought tickets for a show with intent to go, decided "eh, this band isn't near as exciting as I thought" but lo and behold, someone else out there wants these tickets and is offering me a ridiculous amount of money for them (example, Fun. had 4 tickets to the sold-out show, decided I don't like Fun. anymore and guy offered me 100 a piece for them. I sold them for 40 a piece and he was thrilled and I made about 30 bucks). People set the price they are willing to pay, not me, and I don't ever take advantage of anyone. If someone thinks Fun. is worth $100, how is that my fault? LOL.
Again, I see and understand all of your points, I just disagree. We are both right. For ourselves. You think scalping tickets is immoral for whatever reason. I get it. I think having an opportunity to go to bonnaroo for free and passing on it is stupid. I also think knowing full well and good that bonnaroo comes in June every year and not budgeting for it so youre broke when the tickets drop is also stupid. Those are my opinions.
Lets say you were at a thrift shop and saw a rare record worth 500$ for sale for 20$. It's not your kind of music and don't care about it. Do you buy it and eBay it? I definitely do. That is a supply and demand situation.
To address the possibility of losing money, as some of you believe I will, I have this to say: when 2011 sold out in may, tickets were instantly going for 550 on eBay. Ticketing is an interest of mine and while most of you see it as "buy a ticket and go" I see it as a market. I'm in sales and have made a living on 100% commission for over a decade.
I've also paid high scalper prices for a show I didn't get tickets to when they went on sale. I'm comfortable with that.
Also, I think people who get caught up in the price hype immediately after the sellout and pay 2-3 times face are suckers.
PT Barnum coined the phrase "there's a sucker born every day". He's right. There is another saying. "A fool and his money will soon be separated" also true.
"Scalping is a scummy thing to do" is an opinion stated as fact, and while I'm sure others share in your opinion, that statement belongs in another thread
I understand and respect your opinion. Lets just agree to disagree and you can root for me to lose money.
You say that like it's a minority opinion. You are buying extra tickets that you have no intention of ever using so that you can resell them at a higher price and make a profit. If you don't see how that's scummy, we are not going to ever see eye to eye on this. You are no better than the people who snatch up high demand tickets and instantly put them on StubHub at absurd prices. Instead of letting the event sell out naturally, when all of the available tickets have been bought by people who actually want to attend the event, you are speeding up the sell out so that you can make a buck. The secondary market on concert tickets inflates prices, and that extra money isn't going to the artists or the venue or anyone involved in putting the concert on.
The secondary market is going to happen with or without me, and I'm not going to buy 100 of them. Just 2 extras.
I've been buying and selling tickets for different events since middle school. I would buy and sell Red Sox tickets to be able to go for free. Got me into Fenway about 35-40 times before I got burned and had to start over. Eventually I started selling unlicensed score cards outside the park to earn the money to get in and got to a couple hundred games that way.
I'm not rich, man. Bonnaroo is a stiff expense for me. Offsetting some of the cost by being opportunistic seems like the opposite of scummy to me. It isn't easy feeding a concert addiction and 3 kids too lol
I agree that the companies that buy hundreds of tickets for the sole purpose of making money off people like me, they suck. But I'm not driving up the price of tickets. The law of supply and demand does that on its own.
I appreciate the idea of what you're saying, but I do disagree.
Doesn't matter, it's not going to sell out. I doubt the same guy that booked Unchained with a straight face is going to balk at an extra 5-10k tickets so we're not sweating more in those tents.
Hasn't sold out before may/june ever, and it won't start this year.
EDIT: You have a better chance of successfully waiting until May to buy your ticket cheaper. There's always people on craigslist trying to get rid of them for $200.
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Emoney serves more of a purpose than any of you, especially Nate, whose incessant, garbled ramblings are so mindless and pointless that I get depressed just seeing them.
Doesn't matter, it's not going to sell out. I doubt the same guy that booked Unchained with a straight face is going to balk at an extra 5-10k tickets so we're not sweating more in those tents.
Hasn't sold out before may/june ever, and it won't start this year.
EDIT: You have a better chance of successfully waiting until May to buy your ticket cheaper. There's always people on craigslist trying to get rid of them for $200.
PT Barnum coined the phrase "there's a sucker born every day". He's right. There is another saying. "A fool and his money will soon be separated" also true.
Not a big deal, but actually neither of those are sayings.
