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Am I the only one who finds it a little strange that Tejas is the first one to post after the whack, and giving us everythign Mike D said.
Kinda makes me think Tejas wants us to find something
Just thought it would be convenient and helpful to the other townies to have all of Mike D's post in one area. I picked up this tactic from Viking last game, and I found it a lot easier rather than searching different pages of the thread.
Edit- Im still mulling over a few scenarios in my head. I'll post my thoughts on the whack and 1st round voting in a little bit.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Am I the only one who finds it a little strange that Tejas is the first one to post after the whack, and giving us everythign Mike D said.
Kinda makes me think Tejas wants us to find something
Just thought it would be convenient and helpful to the other townies to have all of Mike D's post in one area. I picked up this tactic from Viking last game, and I found it a lot easier rather than searching different pages of the thread.
Edit- Im still mulling over a few scenarios in my head. I'll post my thoughts on the whack and 1st round voting in a little bit.
Also makes people lazy and more often miss important points that were made before and after these posts. There's no real context when reading them alone. I think voting off LD was a mistake, and with mike d whacked, we've lost a lot of experience, and I feel like that was more the mission of mafia with this whack. Tejas is still on my radar, but I'm always sceptical when a whack points directly at one person. I the 2 games I've been mafia, I always looked at ways to set up innocent players.
Whack points to Tejas, then you point to Tejas. I was looking in a different direction until you posted. I figure mafia is 1 experienced and 2 noobs. Gettin LD voted off and whacking Mikd D leaves a lot of space to manipulate and run game with less chance of being called out. I was looking at jimmy until his post this round. I'm not throwing away the key here, but I'd like to see what you think about what's goin down.
like i said in this game already, i keep my thoughts to myself. ive learned in playing this game multiple times, publicly posting your thoughts and accusing people only leads to townies getting voted off.
Usually mafia are trying to kill the inspector with the whack. If they don't feel like they can identify the inspector, they will likely just kill off whoever they think is the best player. Its possible MikeD fits into either of these categories or both. It seems the only person he spoke about negatively was Tejas. He did vote for Phi to start, but that was in response to Phi's VP request so I don't think that his vote for Phi should necessarily cast suspicion on Phi.
Its possible that MikeD was inspector but he didn't really post much and he was 1 of 5 people that ended up voting for Tejas. If Tejas is mafia, inspector could be any of those 5 people. Obviously, if MikeD was inspector that puts a lot of suspicion on Tejas who already messed up with the "accidental" stack on Boneroo and then moving his vote off Boneroo when he realized it rubbed some people the wrong way. I'd expect Tejas to get some votes this round for those two reasons.
If MikeD was whacked b/c mafia felt he was one of the more experienced players and not b/c they thought he was inspector (probably more likely given that MikeD barely posted anything) then it might mean Mafia wasn't really connected to the runoff at all. At the same time, Tejas might be mafia and even if they don't feel strongly that MikeD was inspector, it makes sense to kill an experienced player like MikeD who is also hot on the trail of one of the mafia.
I'm kinda disappointed that we couldn't manage to get a 3-person runoff last round as we probably would have gotten more information. At one point the vote count was Tejas-3, LD-3, Boneroo-2 and there were only 3 players who didn't have a vote on either of them (Phi, BlackAmy, and Linana). Either of these 3 could have voted for Boneroo to make it a 3-way runoff and chose not to. .
Neither of these three (Phi, BlackAmy, Linana) acted in the interests of the town by avoiding a 3-way runoff. Right now I'm going to start off with a vote on Linana because I'm a townie so obviously someone who votes for me and then avoids a 3-way runoff is going to make me suspicious. I'm not locked in on her, but I think we should have at least 2 of Tejas, Linana, BlackAmy, and Phi in this runoff.
Jimmy >> Linana
I realize now that it was not in the best interests of the town to not have a 3 person runoff, but at the time I didn't have any suspicions about Boneroo, and didn't want to shove him into the runoff just to have a 3rd person. At the time, I was suspicious of Jimmy and MikeD, so I was hoping someone would put a second vote on one of them. I didn't move my vote since it was already on someone I was suspicious of. I was also very suspicious of LD, and didn't feel that adding a potential townie to the runoff would be in the best interest of getting LD voted out.
I think voting off LD was a mistake, and with mike d whacked, we've lost a lot of experience, and I feel like that was more the mission of mafia with this whack.
I think this makes a good (albeit obvious) point, but I'm still not convinced that LD wasn't mafia.
like i said in this game already, i keep my thoughts to myself. ive learned in playing this game multiple times, publicly posting your thoughts and accusing people only leads to townies getting voted off.
like i said in this game already, i keep my thoughts to myself. ive learned in playing this game multiple times, publicly posting your thoughts and accusing people only leads to townies getting voted off.
Dammit. I wish I'd read this before posting.
That's just him way of playing. IMO, if he's a townie, he's not helping the town any. By accusing and voicing your suspicions, you get reactions from not just the person your accusing, but others who may not be thinking the same as you, or people who all too easily accept your point of view. It's all about how you gauge these things, not keeping everything to yourself But that's just me
I find linana voting fore right after I put a vote on phi, regardless of her reasoning, is something to take note of.
We need to remember, mafia are constantly discussing what steps to take, who should vote where, ect. Lets say they see my vote on phi, with no real explanation, as suspicion of a possible inspector, they'd work fast to discredit and colour me as mafia. But it wouldn't be phi to do it! I'm not at all saying I'm inspector, because I'm not, I wish I was. But early on in this game, my guess of mafia are Phi, Linana, and Bogart. And after this game is over, I fully expect to find out none of them were mafia.
How's that for not publicly expressing suspicions?
A) Since we only had a 2 person runoff. Chances are the mafia split their votes between me and LD. Meaning that 2 mafia members voted for one person, and the other mafia member voted for the other. It makes no sense for all 3 mafia members to vote for one player. So in that sense a 2 person runoff could help us establish voting alliances later on in the game.
The first two possibilities are kinda tied together. Mike D could have been on one of the mafias tail because he was inspector. The problem with this is he really didn't say much except for two post.
I gotta say this game looks to be quite a change from the norm, in a good way
That said, were not getting anywhere at all with all the single votes. Tejas stacked on Bone, then o'neil stacks on Tejas, for good reasoning, albeit an easy one too. Then Tejas chickens out after realizing the stack, then more or less asks o'neil to change as well and were all back to single votes. To me, this looks like Tejas is trying to steer clear, why would someone want to make it look like they are steering clear of any stacks?
Mike D >> Tejas
If nothing else, this gives someone a reason to stack a vote on me if you want. If not, yall at least gotta take a stab in the dark, pick a name, then see who reacts, defends, whatever. Let's get this friggin party started!!!
Mike D pretty much votes for me to shake things up. Bases his vote off the accidental stacking I did of boneroo and he interprets it as me trying to steer clear of stacking.
I really don't feel I have much to add. This is my first time playing with 5 of yall I think so I do feel a little lost at the moment. The biggest thing I am looking at right now, which has been brought up by some folks, is having a 2 person runoff instead of three. I know there is no real standard, but it threw me for a loop to only see Tejas and LD. It has been brought up in numerous other games how often LD is in early runoffs and seems to be one of the easy targets this early in the game. Several of the posts I have read point to that again. In his defense, LD can actually be one hell of a townie deeper into the game. Yes, he can often play a little wild and crazy, but I have seen him nail down 2-3 mafia with confidence deeper into the game. The downside is that folks tend to disregard him later for his wildness earlier on. I do understand the angle of wanting him out earlier.
From my perspective Tejas backing out on his first vote stack is a huge red flag, hence my last vote and post. I am very pleased to see this much discussion and know that there is a very good possibility that we have 2 townies, didn't see too much scrambling going on to get either a third or swap out a member of the runoff. Looking at the two in question, I believe that Tajas has a much higher chance of being mafia than LD. Jimmyroo made a comment about Tajas being a lightning rod for activity and I do agree that what we have seen so far will help us out greatly down the road no matter which one is killed off, if he is mafia or a townie. If nothing else, I feel this will be one of the most helpful first rounds I have seen.
Again Mike D acknowledges that my accidental stacking on Boneroo was a huge flag for him, and the reason why he voted for me. He also stated that out of me and LD I seem to be more likely to be mafia. However, he did say since their wasn't much scrambling going on to get either a third or swap out a member of the runoff that it seems a high possibility that both me and Ld were both townies. So in my mind yes Mike D was suspicious of one player, and that player was me. At the same time he seemed to think that we had 2 townies in the runoff, so he really wasn't set on me being mafia, just out of me and LD I seemed more likely.
With all that being said it doesn't seem like Mike D was really on anybodies coat tail.
Which makes me think Mike D was whacked because hes a damn good player and the mafia didn't want jim against them. Those are my thoughts for day 1.
Disclaimer: I know bringing up the fact that Mike D was most suspicious of me is probably not a good idea, but like I said I'm trying to be transparent & logical as possible.
Your reactionary vote is suspicious phi. Do you have a reason for voting for boneroo besides the fact he voted for you? Its possible Boner voted for you just to get a reaction to try to read you. I don't have my mind made up on you if your a townie or mafia, but being overly defensive is not helping your case
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Tejas, you really do a great job of spinning things, and not make it obvious that your spinning. An honest kudos to you man. For now, im going to believe mike was whacked to draw attention to you, and not that you're mafia and got rid of a major threat. But things may change as the weekend goes on. I'd like to hear from some other people here.
I am still working on some theories... don't want to vote until I iron things out a bit more.
initial thoughts: 1. Mike D was killed because he was believed to be the inspector (in which case, he was most suspicious of Tejas, so take that how you like) 2. Mike D was killed solely because he is an experienced player who would have been very helpful for the town (I think we can all agree that was at least part of the reason) 3. Mike D was killed to set Tejas up for suspicion of being mafia, since he was suspicious of Tejas 4. Mike D was killed because Tejas is mafia and he would have continued to build a case against him (yes, it seems too obvious but maybe that's exactly why they did it, since it seems so unlikely?)
I'm still not sure where it leaves us at this point. if you don't believe LD was mafia, then there are 3 mafia alive and planning, who have probably been pulling all of our strings from the beginning. if he was mafia, then there 2 left and we need to work on figuring them out. I tend to think he was not mafia, since it seems unlikely the other two would not influence or swing the vote to save one of their own, but I know it's a possibility.
I am not planning on getting blackout drunk (but for those of you who are, please have one for me!), but I do have a fever and sore throat so I will likely go to sleep early. just mentioning that so if someone responds to this and I don't reply until tomorrow that's why.
Mike D had to have been getting close to something, or at least hitting near the mark to get a target put on his back night one with so few posts. From what I gathered he is a pretty perceptive person and would have possibly gotten a trail today on at least one mafia member. Out of these posts, Mike mentions Tejas, LD, jimmy, and o'neil..With LD gone, which I think it's a good possibility he was town, the probability goes up that one of the remaining mentions are mafia.
Tejas stacked on Bone, then o'neil stacks on Tejas, for good reasoning, albeit an easy one too. Then Tejas chickens out after realizing the stack, then more or less asks o'neil to change as well and were all back to single votes. To me, this looks like Tejas is trying to steer clear, why would someone want to make it look like they are steering clear of any stacks?
Mike D >> Tejas
hardly an indication that he thought I was mafia, although of course part of this game is people twisting words and posts for their own purposes.
I think Phi's reactionary vote to Boner was a little suspicious. Even if Phi doesn't keep his vote on boneroo its still very defensive. I'll keep my vote on Phi unless I see a reason to move it.
Also, I know its the weekend but its been remarkably quiet. This is not good for us townies it only gives the mafia more time to PM each other and scheme. I'm not saying lets speed through rounds, but the more idle time the more of an advantage mafia has.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
o'neil
Showerless Shakedown Vendor Red Bull & Vodka Panda
Also, I know its the weekend but its been remarkably quiet. This is not good for us townies it only gives the mafia more time to PM each other and scheme. I'm not saying lets speed through rounds, but the more idle time the more of an advantage mafia has.
I agree... yes, it's the weekend but surely everyone has at least checked to see if they got killed by the mafia? unless you are mafia and therefore, already knew you were safe. I think bogart mentioned being less active until Monday, but surely one post would be reasonable at this point. and BlackAmy hasn't posted either... I would like to know where everyone stands.
voting for someone after they've voted for you is suspicious? give me a break.
obviously i want whoever is starting a witch hunt against me in a runoff.
and with that being said
phi >>> boneroo >>> Tejas
Again, your getting very defensive which makes me suspicious. And for the record I dont think its suspicious to vote for someone after they voted for you. I think its suspicious when thats the only reason you vote for someone. If your a townie your objective shouldn't be to just to survive (thats the mafias only mission), and voting for someone just because they voted for you does exactly that. Now obviously townies want to survive, but your main goal should be to find mafia members.
I honestly wasn't planning on keeping my vote on you, but your making it hard for me to change my mind. My vote on you still isn't locked in. I wanna hear from the other players before I make any other votes
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Going after phi after he went after LD. Mike d was the whack. What do all of these people have in common? Experience. Townies watch out. They whittle us down to all newbies and we are in trouble. Ill talk more when I'm home tomorrow.
Going after phi after he went after LD. Mike d was the whack. What do all of these people have in common? Experience. Townies watch out. They whittle us down to all newbies and we are in trouble. Ill talk more when I'm home tomorrow.
2 Things:
- I only went after LD when he went after me. It was a 2 person runoff who else was I suppose to vote for ?!
- Why am I taking all the heat. Boneroo was the first to vote for Phi why arn't you accusing him of trying to take out the experience players? I agree that theirs a witch hunt going on, only it seems I'm the one being hunted though.
After last game when LD was mafia I learned that you shouldn't avoid certain players just because their "experienced".
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Tejas
Showerless Shakedown Vendor The Beardless Wonder
I don't think Phi needs to be in this runoff. I'd prefer Tejas, Boneroo, and a third.
Im fine with being in the runoff, but I dont think boneroo has really done anything to draw suspicion. I'd like to see a Tejas/Phi/And then a quiet player runoff
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
o'neil
Showerless Shakedown Vendor Red Bull & Vodka Panda
Neither of these three (Phi, BlackAmy, Linana) acted in the interests of the town by avoiding a 3-way runoff. Right now I'm going to start off with a vote on Linana because I'm a townie so obviously someone who votes for me and then avoids a 3-way runoff is going to make me suspicious. I'm not locked in on her, but I think we should have at least 2 of Tejas, Linana, BlackAmy, and Phi in this runoff.
