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Its not a particularly interesting headliner choice unless you're still mad that he gave a crappy performance in '08.
I'm kind of curious what "interesting" means to you here? Unique? Popular? Because Kanye West, like him, hate him, or are indifferent, had one of the most commercially and critically successful albums of 2013. Yeezus is a pretty gnarly stage show, and it'd be just as interesting to see how he does it as roo as it was to see how Radiohead incorporated the moving screens from their tour at the time when they played in 2012. To me, the LEAST interesting think about Kanye at roo is that his past with the fest in 2008.
If we're turning it into a numbers game without thinking fit, we're going to wind up with One Direction headlining 'Roo. If we're talking bands that had a great album in 2013, Arcade Fire, Daft Punk and The National all fit the bill. I'm not going to debate it extensively, but I don't see what the Kanye 'Roo Live experience is going to deliver that I didn't already get from Yeezus.
The man puts on a good show, he's a dedicated artist, but I don't feel a particular connection to seeing him at 'Roo. Is this going to be the best possible Kanye experience? Is he going to deliver to the audience that doesn't want him there, or will he just be Kanye and walk away with the same number of fans he stared with? For what its worth, I'd like to see him surprise people.
I'm kind of curious what "interesting" means to you here? Unique? Popular? Because Kanye West, like him, hate him, or are indifferent, had one of the most commercially and critically successful albums of 2013. Yeezus is a pretty gnarly stage show, and it'd be just as interesting to see how he does it as roo as it was to see how Radiohead incorporated the moving screens from their tour at the time when they played in 2012. To me, the LEAST interesting think about Kanye at roo is that his past with the fest in 2008.
If we're turning it into a numbers game without thinking fit, we're going to wind up with One Direction headlining 'Roo. If we're talking bands that had a great album in 2013, Arcade Fire, Daft Punk and The National all fit the bill. I'm not going to debate it extensively, but I don't see what the Kanye 'Roo Live experience is going to deliver that I didn't already get from Yeezus.
The man puts on a good show, he's a dedicated artist, but I don't feel a particular connection to seeing him at 'Roo. Is this going to be the best possible Kanye experience? Is he going to deliver to the audience that doesn't want him there, or will he just be Kanye and walk away with the same number of fans he stared with? For what its worth, I'd like to see him surprise people.
What, exactly, gives you the authority to tell someone what they should or should not be offended by?
Nothing. But I can write a post trying to explain why the word gets used, and hope that people that read it are less offended and/or angered by it.
Instead of trying to explain to people that they should not be offended by your use of a loaded, harmful word which is capable of bringing back awful memories for a lot of people, because it is accepted by a bunch of ignorant kids in some ignorant place, perhaps a better idea would be to not use the word in public, or even, ideally, at all? Food for thought
Nothing. But I can write a post trying to explain why the word gets used, and hope that people that read it are less offended and/or angered by it.
Instead of trying to explain to people that they should not be offended by your use of a loaded, harmful word which is capable of bringing back awful memories for a lot of people, because it is accepted by a bunch of ignorant kids in some ignorant place, perhaps a better idea would be to not use the word in public, or even, ideally, at all? Food for thought
Ideally, yes. But chances are that if you go to, say, Japan, you'd have trouble avoiding eye contact with people, right?
To be fair to him, I'm young, not black, and grew up in a community where the N-word is widely used to refer to a friend in much the same way as a middle-aged man would call his friend "my buddy". maybe this young man grew up in a similar situation.
You could just call your friend "my buddy" just like a middle-age man. As lame as that might seem its not blatantly offensive.
Also your town is filled with racist assholes.
It's something I work on not saying, but haven't completely eliminated from my vocabulary.
And I don't think so. I have never heard it used it as a derogatory word here.
Different cultures, societies, and communities have different values, customs, and behaviors and thus find different things wrong, or offensive.
except that people in america and many other western countries are acutely aware of the offensive nature of the word you are defending.
the defence that you might make eye contact with ppl in japan doesnt work unless the person in your example is aware that japanese people might find it offencive yet does it anyway because his friends back home think its okay.
Instead of trying to explain to people that they should not be offended by your use of a loaded, harmful word which is capable of bringing back awful memories for a lot of people, because it is accepted by a bunch of ignorant kids in some ignorant place, perhaps a better idea would be to not use the word in public, or even, ideally, at all? Food for thought
Ideally, yes. But chances are that if you go to, say, Japan, you'd have trouble avoiding eye contact with people, right?
Are you suggesting that you find it difficult to restrain yourself from saying the fucking n-word? How do you hold a job?
And when I'm in a professional setting, I'm acutely aware of my behavior, and know that cursing, or talking like a dickhead in general, is not good.
You sure about that, too?
I probably should've rephrased that first part. I'm sure someone has been offended by it and some point, but I have never personally seen a local here that was.
Are you suggesting that you find it difficult to restrain yourself from saying the fucking n-word? How do you hold a job?
It comes out in every day conversation, because I'm not thinking about not using it, because nobody where I'm from has ever been offended by it.
People everywhere have been offended by it. This is ridiculous.
There's this white guy I used to work with (he was fired) who uses the word on facebook all the time. My other co-worker and I laugh about it because of how dumb he is and the fact that he has no black friends on facebook who post and join in using it. Him and his other white buddies throwing it around because they wear certain clothes and listen to certain music so it's okay. He's a dummy.
I'm sorry if anyone thinks I'm a dick, but if you're trying to squirm past people close to the stage any more than 15 minutes into a set, I'm going to push the shit out of you, and, if possible, stomp on your leg.
I did this to a dude during RHCP at Lollapalooza '12. They were like, 30-40 minutes into their set and the cocksucker was trying to shove his way past the crowd 20 feet behind the rail. He fell over some people, I kicked him in his leg, spit on him, and stole his hat, as he was being dragged out by security.
there are very few things in the world I hate more than those people.
It comes out in every day conversation, because I'm not thinking about not using it, because nobody where I'm from has ever been offended by it.
People everywhere have been offended by it. This is ridiculous.
There's this white guy I used to work with (he was fired) who uses the word on facebook all the time. My other co-worker and I laugh about it because of how dumb he is and the fact that he has no black friends on facebook who post and join in using it. Him and his other white buddies throwing it around because they wear certain clothes and listen to certain music so it's okay. He's a dummy.
So you're saying "I grew up using that word" wasn't a valid excuse?
People everywhere have been offended by it. This is ridiculous.
There's this white guy I used to work with (he was fired) who uses the word on facebook all the time. My other co-worker and I laugh about it because of how dumb he is and the fact that he has no black friends on facebook who post and join in using it. Him and his other white buddies throwing it around because they wear certain clothes and listen to certain music so it's okay. He's a dummy.
So you're saying "I grew up using that word" wasn't a valid excuse?
I don't think it is, really. I mean, to be honest I grew up saying "faggot" and calling people/things "gay" in place of "lame" but reached a point in my life where I realized it affects those around me. I never forget saying "Oh man, that's so gay" in early high school while at my job. I have gay family members and certainly wouldn't say stuff like that around them but around friends it was pretty common. But I said that with her (manager) within earshot and I was just talking about a song or a TV show or something dumb and I know she heard me but she didn't respond/react or even tell me anything. When the words left my mouth I immediately regretted it because I really liked her a lot and I didn't want her to think that I was equating gay with dumb/lame. That point in my life was where I specifically focused on removing it from my vernacular as best as I can. I definitely don't say that word and just say "lame" when that's what I mean.
Basically I'm saying I'm not shocked/offended that people use it when they're younger because I understood that. We've all said and done things we regret or would like to change. But I do think everyone that would use those words needs to reach a point (hopefully earlier than later) where they realize that the words have real meaning and you can't portray yourself as open and accepting of race/sexual preference and continue to use those words in that way.
So you're saying "I grew up using that word" wasn't a valid excuse?
I don't think it is, really. I mean, to be honest I grew up saying "faggot" and calling people/things "gay" in place of "lame" but reached a point in my life where I realized it affects those around me. I never forget saying "Oh man, that's so gay" in early high school while at my job. I have gay family members and certainly wouldn't say stuff like that around them but around friends it was pretty common. But I said that with her (manager) within earshot and I was just talking about a song or a TV show or something dumb and I know she heard me but she didn't respond/react or even tell me anything. When the words left my mouth I immediately regretted it because I really liked her a lot and I didn't want her to think that I was equating gay with dumb/lame. That point in my life was where I specifically focused on removing it from my vernacular as best as I can. I definitely don't say that word and just say "lame" when that's what I mean.
Basically I'm saying I'm not shocked/offended that people use it when they're younger because I understood that. We've all said and done things we regret or would like to change. But I do think everyone that would use those words needs to reach a point (hopefully earlier than later) where they realize that the words have real meaning and you can't portray yourself as open and accepting of race/sexual preference and continue to use those words in that way.
Yup. I think some people are confusing having a reason for saying this stuff with having an excuse for saying this stuff.
Post by asapwilbert on Jun 9, 2014 20:46:08 GMT -5
While I absolutely agree that the vast, vast, nearly entire population of white people that uses either of those words are ignorant pieces of shit who unfortunately will never get what they deserve.... Would the enlightened minds here, or anywhere, ever accuse Louis CK or being racist or homophobic?
While I absolutely agree that the vast, vast, nearly entire population of white people that uses either of those words are ignorant pieces of shit who unfortunately will never get what they deserve.... Would the enlightened minds here, or anywhere, ever accuse Louis CK or being racist or homophobic?
Moral absolutism, y'all.
Context. The people in question are not Louis CK.
Edit: How'd this defense work out for Michael Richards?
While I absolutely agree that the vast, vast, nearly entire population of white people that uses either of those words are ignorant pieces of shit who unfortunately will never get what they deserve.... Would the enlightened minds here, or anywhere, ever accuse Louis CK or being racist or homophobic?
Moral absolutism, y'all.
Context. The people in question are not Louis CK.
That's an interesting point. *Jules Winfield voice*
I can't imagine this will be as packed as Macca was last year... I'm really hoping to catch some NMH before splitting and moving forward during VWeek's set.
