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Bound 2 is abhorrent. If he plays bonnaroo, it'll definitely be a show I will be missing.
The song is just terrible.
I really don't get the song. I guess I would say terrible as well, but boring is really how I feel about it. I'm not a huge hip hop/rap fan, but there is stuff I can dig and appreciate. The love for that song is just something I don't understand. Having said that, I'd rather him not headline but if he does it's something I definitely won't be missing.
I'm pretty open to what I listen to. Everything from Mozart to Johnny Cash to Muse.
I won't be attending a Kanye West concert. I said song liberally earlier. My two year old makes better music with pots and pans.
But hey, if you're into that music, that's your business. I would prefer someone else as a headliner, and if he is there, I'll just have a great spot for a late night show.
I really don't get the song. I guess I would say terrible as well, but boring is really how I feel about it. I'm not a huge hip hop/rap fan, but there is stuff I can dig and appreciate. The love for that song is just something I don't understand. Having said that, I'd rather him not headline but if he does it's something I definitely won't be missing.
I'm pretty open to what I listen to. Everything from Mozart to Johnny Cash to Muse.
I won't be attending a Kanye West concert. I said song liberally earlier. My two year old makes better music with pots and pans.
But hey, if you're into that music, that's your business. I would prefer someone else as a headliner, and if he is there, I'll just have a great spot for a late night show.
You're in the wrong thread, the Boring Barn is always a welcoming place, your bland-as-utter-f*ck musical tastes will blend perfectly there.
I really don't get the song. I guess I would say terrible as well, but boring is really how I feel about it. I'm not a huge hip hop/rap fan, but there is stuff I can dig and appreciate. The love for that song is just something I don't understand. Having said that, I'd rather him not headline but if he does it's something I definitely won't be missing.
I'm pretty open to what I listen to. Everything from Mozart to Johnny Cash to Muse.
I won't be attending a Kanye West concert. I said song liberally earlier. My two year old makes better music with pots and pans.
But hey, if you're into that music, that's your business. I would prefer someone else as a headliner, and if he is there, I'll just have a great spot for a late night show.
Why would you skip the show? Unless you live under a rock I'm sure you've seen the rave reviews the Yeezus tour has been getting. Bound 2 is a very good song but I won't get into that now. Just give the man a chance, there has to be a reason that his work is celebrated as the best of this generation.
Post by PleaseGodNoWSP on Dec 17, 2013 15:26:54 GMT -5
Maybe the best rapper, but artist? Nah. And, if you consider the other rappers in the conversation, it shows you how far rap has fallen into irrelevance.
Maybe the best rapper, but artist? Nah. And, if you consider the other rappers in the conversation, it shows you how far rap has fallen into irrelevance.
Name an artist that has put out better material in the past 10 years
Name an artist that has put out better material in the past 10 years
Like, an artist that has had a consistently better ten years, or any one artistic achievement over the past ten years?
For the former, I'd say: Burial and Radiohead, for starters.
I mean consistently. 10 years for Radiohead is Hail to the Thief, In rainbows, and King of Limbs. Three very great albums. Burial has what, two albums? They're really good but Ye has put out six in the same period.
Edit: Changed good to great. Hail to the Thief and In Rainbows are fucking gems
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Post by shootermcgavinroo on Dec 17, 2013 16:09:01 GMT -5
Would you guys really prefer Kanye over a Dre/Snoop West Coast vibe headliner slot? Something like Coachella had? Just curious what everyone thinks; but ill take Dre anytime!
People are stupid and will listen to anything. Hendrix had like what, 2 songs chart? Just because a bunch of people listened to Mambo #5 doesn't mean it's a great song.
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People are stupid and will listen to anything. Hendrix had like what, 2 songs chart? Just because a bunch of people listened to Mambo #5 doesn't mean it's a great song.
...says the discriminating Foo Fighters fan with feces in his ears.
I mean consistently. 10 years for Radiohead is Hail to the Thief, In rainbows, and King of Limbs. Three very great albums. Burial has what, two albums? They're really good but Ye has put out six in the same period.
Edit: Changed good to great. Hail to the Thief and In Rainbows are quacking gems
Burial has two albums proper, and a slew of EPs which all range from "great" to "brilliant." But you didn't mention quantity, just quality.
I think quantity needs to be taken into consideration. I'm only familiar with burial's albums, so I can't really rank the EP's. Ranking albums between the three I would have: 1. Dark Fantasy 2. Untrue 3. In Rainbows 4. Late Registration 5. Hail to the Thief/The College Dropout So Ye has the slight advantage, in my opinion at least
Like, an artist that has had a consistently better ten years, or any one artistic achievement over the past ten years?
For the former, I'd say: Burial and Radiohead, for starters.
I mean consistently. 10 years for Radiohead is Hail to the Thief, In rainbows, and King of Limbs. Three very great albums. Burial has what, two albums? They're really good but Ye has put out six in the same period.
I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Quality and quantity cannot and should not be compared like that, for the same reason we don't conflate the two when comparing Kubrick to Spielberg. That's not a jab at Kanye (or Spielberg for that matter); I just don't think it's a valid basis for comparison.
I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Quality and quantity cannot and should not be compared like that, for the same reason we don't conflate the two when comparing Kubrick to Spielberg. That's not a jab at Kanye (or Spielberg for that matter); I just don't think it's a valid basis for comparison.
I think there's some merit to that. It has to do with sample size, and consistency. Some artists can catch lightning in a bottle and make a hit song or album, but fewer can repeat that feat over and over again. Your Kubrick to Spielberg analogy doesn't really work, as I argue something like Burial to Kanye doesn't work, as everyone involved has produced enough product to get away from the dreaded "small sample size" conundrum. You don't penalize Kubrick for making fewer films than Spielberg because while he hasn't made dozens of films, he's still made several, enough where the talent can't be considered a fluke. I'd argue the same with Burial - he hasn't produced as much volume as Kanye in the past ten years, but he's done enough where I think we can all be assured that its not a flash in the pan.
But at the same token, can you penalize Kanye for putting out more quality projects? Something must be said for the fact that he's released 5 legit great albums (Looking at you, Graduation) in the same time span those other people put out less. Kanye's ferocious in his output, and since quality doesn't dip with his faster pace, I think he should earn credit for that.
How about we just agree they're all f*cking great artists who have been knocking home runs with each release since the turn of the century and we're all blessed to have each of them for different reasons?
But at the same token, can you penalize Kanye for putting out more quality projects? Something must be said for the fact that he's released 5 legit great albums (Looking at you, Graduation) in the same time span those other people put out less. Kanye's ferocious in his output, and since quality doesn't dip with his faster pace, I think he should earn credit for that.
How about we just agree they're all f*cking great artists who have been knocking home runs with each release since the turn of the century and we're all blessed to have each of them for different reasons?
I don't think I was knocking anyone. All I'm saying is that they've all put out enough material where you don't need to dip into the "quantity" argument at all.
Sorry, I wasn't implying that you did. That was a general discussion comment that was inspired by your post.
But at the same token, can you penalize Kanye for putting out more quality projects? Something must be said for the fact that he's released 5 legit great albums (Looking at you, Graduation) in the same time span those other people put out less.
Is 808's and Heartbreak really that great and worth checking out? I haven't ever really given that a chance but thought it was the one that a lot of people disliked.
C'mon man. One song? Is he like the Bob Dylan of rap now?
One song that immediately and without much effort blows your "Kanye doesn't say anything" comment out of the water, no? We could go through Yeezus, on which at least half the songs are about much deeper meanings than typical rap/pop songs.
Or, better yet, why don't you give us some of the artists you think are the best still putting out music and we can go and pick all the songs that are "about nothing."
Broad stroke commentary never, ever works. With one song reference your statement was proven false, instead of acknowledging that fact you just decide to pull the "what, no more!?" act?
Come on, man, if you want to have a legitimate discussion you have to be willing to dig deeper than "derrr Kanye sucks!" and pulling out cliche one-liner criticisms.
C'mon man. One song? Is he like the Bob Dylan of rap now?
One song that immediately and without much effort blows your "Kanye doesn't say anything" comment out of the water, no? We could go through Yeezus, on which at least half the songs are about much deeper meanings than typical rap/pop songs.
Or, better yet, why don't you give us some of the artists you think are the best still putting out music and we can go and pick all the songs that are "about nothing."
Broad stroke commentary never, ever works. With one song reference your statement was proven false, instead of acknowledging that fact you just decide to pull the "what, no more!?" act?
Come on, man, if you want to have a legitimate discussion you have to be willing to dig deeper than "derrr Kanye sucks!" and pulling out cliche one-liner criticisms.
You're right. With one song you have proven that Kanye is rapper of real substance. Jesus really does walk with him.
I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Quality and quantity cannot and should not be compared like that, for the same reason we don't conflate the two when comparing Kubrick to Spielberg. That's not a jab at Kanye (or Spielberg for that matter); I just don't think it's a valid basis for comparison.
I think there's some merit to that. It has to do with sample size, and consistency. Some artists can catch lightning in a bottle and make a hit song or album, but fewer can repeat that feat over and over again. Your Kubrick to Spielberg analogy doesn't really work, as I argue something like Burial to Kanye doesn't work, as everyone involved has produced enough product to get away from the dreaded "small sample size" conundrum. You don't penalize Kubrick for making fewer films than Spielberg because while he hasn't made dozens of films, he's still made several, enough where the talent can't be considered a fluke. I'd argue the same with Burial - he hasn't produced as much volume as Kanye in the past ten years, but he's done enough where I think we can all be assured that its not a flash in the pan.
I'll grant you that repeated success is a very important factor, as every one-hit wonder and flash-in-the-pan has proven. As I said the other day:
I think sometimes bands just get burnt out early on; their creativity and energy is a finite resource, and they only have so many fresh ideas for songs in them.
And no, small sample size isn't a problem for either artist (even if Burial's discography isn't massive, it's substantial enough). I just think different artists work at different paces, and that that shouldn't be used to argue that one has more ideas or better ideas than another. At the height of his career, Michael Jackson took over a decade to make just three albums (just as Radiohead have since 2003), but all of them were masterpieces; compare that to The Beatles, who averaged two albums a year even at their peak. Both were masters of their craft, just with different approaches to pacing.