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I just don't get why you can't get over something that happened in 2008. And it's not like it specifically hurt you in any way. A musical act went on late and you're comparing that to an abortion (which is disrespectful in itself). I also think it's funny that you feel you should say you love Bonnaroo more than everyone else, as if it justifies you're being butt hurt. Get over it dude. Your argument is old and worn out. If you really care about the "vibez" of Bonnaroo, then you should just be happy for the 90 percent of us who are thrilled to have him. Can't you see you're in the minority now? Your pov is outdated.
You're absolutely right, I'm in the minority, so I should stop expressing my opinion.
Instead, here are some quotes from your fellow inforoosters:
I'd like to preface this by saying I'm a huge Kanye West fan. (Or was.) I don't really like Graduation, but I thought College Dropout and Late Registration were witty and intelligent and fun. I've seen Kanye twice before and loved both shows.
Kanye's actions this weekend were pretty close to unforgivable for me. He had his set time changed, was two hours late for that, and put on one of the worst performances I've ever seen. And I really wanted to like it. Kanye also never addresses the crowd once, or even said "Bonnaroo". Anyone that plays Bonnaroo has to know that it's a community, a movement, a family. If you're going to preform you need to be a part of that, one of us. You can't be a part of that if you're never saying a word to us, or not even just saying the name Bonnaroo.
Kanye lost every ounce of respect I had for him. Despite his ego, I still thought he was talented. But, you just do not treat your fans like that.
I was talking to one of the security guys before Orchestra Baobab, and he said he didnt want to go on because he demanded to play unopposed. What a roosterass.
And his show was the most ridiculous thing I ever witnessed. I left 5 songs into it. It should be called "Kanye goes to Space: The Musical" rather than the Glow in the Dark tour. His next tour's going to be called "Kanye Quack. His Motherboard"
I cant believe I passed on Ghostland Observatory for that monstrosity
I get that the people who didn't get let down by Kanye are going to tire quickly of hearing about him. But, you also have to respect that it wasn't just a late and crappy show, it was a train wreck that followed people back to camp and maybe even all day Sunday. It just put a really, really bad vibe out that spread its fingers throughout the camps and beyond the gates of Roo.
They should invite Kanye West back next year and about ten minutes into his set have GWAR hi-jack the stage. Just imagine kanye covered in semen and slime
Yeah man, you sure stumped us. Crazy how the guy only has one song right?! Wait, he doesn't? He has five albums met with widespread critical acclaim and another album that ended up being the most influential album of the 21st century, and another one that's probably going to have the same impact? That can't be the same guy?
Yes, it is. He's great and you are stuck twenty years in the past
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Yeah man, you sure stumped us. Crazy how the guy only has one song right?! Wait, he doesn't? He has five albums met with widespread critical acclaim and another album that ended up being the most influential album of the 21st century, and another one that's probably going to have the same impact? That can't be the same guy?
Yes, it is. He's great and you are stuck twenty years in the past
Look dude, there are folks who don't like the Beatles. Music taste is different for everyone. I think Kanyes is awful.
Some folks like lady gaga. I don't. I didn't see bjork last year, her music wasn't my thing.
I will not be seeing Kanye West, my opinion is his music sucks balls.
Yeah man, you sure stumped us. Crazy how the guy only has one song right?! Wait, he doesn't? He has five albums met with widespread critical acclaim and another album that ended up being the most influential album of the 21st century, and another one that's probably going to have the same impact? That can't be the same guy?
Yes, it is. He's great and you are stuck twenty years in the past
Look dude, there are folks who don't like the Beatles. Music taste is different for everyone. I think Kanyes is awful.
Some folks like lady gaga. I don't. I didn't see bjork last year, her music wasn't my thing.
I will not be seeing Kanye West, my opinion is his music sucks balls.
Okay, I get that, so go into a thread dedicated to the appreciation of Kante West saying bullshit like "Bound 2. Enough said" And then trying to turn it on me, that's classy
Yeah man, you sure stumped us. Crazy how the guy only has one song right?! Wait, he doesn't? He has five albums met with widespread critical acclaim and another album that ended up being the most influential album of the 21st century, and another one that's probably going to have the same impact? That can't be the same guy?
Yes, it is. He's great and you are stuck twenty years in the past
Most influential album of the 21st century? We have 86 more years before it's over.
Yeah man, you sure stumped us. Crazy how the guy only has one song right?! Wait, he doesn't? He has five albums met with widespread critical acclaim and another album that ended up being the most influential album of the 21st century, and another one that's probably going to have the same impact? That can't be the same guy?
Yes, it is. He's great and you are stuck twenty years in the past
Most influential album of the 21st century? We have 86 more years before it's over.
Well, as of 2014 808's and Heartbreak is the most influential album of the 21st century
And what exactly are you basing that generalisation on?
I won't deny that Kanye's got some seriously top-notch beats and production skills. I just wish he'd keep his mouth shut whenever he feels like rapping.
He changed mainstream music twice. The first time was when graduation was released the same day as 50 cents album and blew it out of the water with sales. That showed that "gangster rap" was no longer the dominant hip hop style and allowed other artists to follow suit. The second time was with 808's. The album was incredibly influential. As much as I despise him, Drake could be the most popular rapper in the game right now. And his music is clearly influenced by 808's. I think Yeezus will produce the same result.
He changed mainstream music twice. The first time was when graduation was released the same day as 50 cents album and blew it out of the water with sales. That showed that "gangster rap" was no longer the dominant hip hop style and allowed other artists to follow suit. The second time was with 808's. The album was incredibly influential. As much as I despise him, Drake could be the most popular rapper in the game right now. And his music is clearly influenced by 808's. I think Yeezus will produce the same result.
I mean that's just one person's opinion. To be honest I don't think record sales are a good indication of quality.
I mean that's just one person's opinion. To be honest I don't think record sales are a good indication of quality.
The biggest artists in the world are attempting to recreate 808's, isn't that that the definition of influential in terms of music?
There would be no Drake without 808's, no Frank Ocean, no Childish Gambino, the Weekend, Kid Cudi. All are popular as a result of 808's
Actually, there would be no 808's Kanye without Kid Cudi. He basically took the sound from Cudi and 88-Keys for that album. Took is probably too strong a word. Shared is a better word. It was more of a sound those guys were chasing at the same time.
For the record, I don't think any of those guys made particularly good or worthwhile albums. They stole a lot from indie pop that was being made in the years leading up to that album.
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Look dude, there are folks who don't like the Beatles. Music taste is different for everyone. I think Kanyes is awful.
Some folks like lady gaga. I don't. I didn't see bjork last year, her music wasn't my thing.
I will not be seeing Kanye West, my opinion is his music sucks balls.
Okay, I get that, so go into a thread dedicated to the appreciation of Kante West saying bullshit like "Bound 2. Enough said" And then trying to turn it on me, that's classy
Post by Dale Cooper on Jan 27, 2014 10:03:18 GMT -5
I wish this thread was an actual fire located in a dumpster. Then it would be easier to look at.
Edit: I can't wait for music culture 20 years from now, when Kanye's albums are still being cited as influential and people with nothing better to do have spent tons of unneeded energy hating a man they've never met.
Is anyone going to be laying on their death bed thinking, "If only I could have hated Kanye West just a little more..."
You guys, I'm going to cite a bunch of panicked newspaper articles from the 1960s about how marijuana is evil and will turn you into a ravenous, bloodthirsty fiend. That's good evidence that marijuana is the worst, right? After that, I'm going to pull up some newspaper quotes from December of 1941 and ask you all why you don't hate Japan.
The sarcasm aside, I agree with your statement above. I would cetainly pick others before him, Im not thrilled he is there but at the same time its not like I am buying a Kanye ticket. Im going to be there anyway regardless of who is on the lineup. It won't take much effort to walk over there and check it out to form my own opinion live and not one that is not based on something that happened six years ago or what I see and read since then.
For people like me, Kanye actually has an advantage this year. By default of all of what I do know up til now, my expectations are going to be low. An average performance by his standards would likely exceed them and I would probably be in the camp of those who compare it to what we know of his 2008 experience, not compare it to other shows on his current tour. Its like when someone tells you a certain movie was really bad and when you go away seeing it you come away pleasantly surprised because it didnt suck. If they told you that the movie was fantastic and one of the best ever but it was just pretty good to you, you end up with a sense of disappointment when its over.
Okay, I get that, so go into a thread dedicated to the appreciation of Kante West saying bullshit like "Bound 2. Enough said" And then trying to turn it on me, that's classy
Give me Jay Z any day over Kanye.
Far more influential.
Well I agree that Jay Z is influential, Kanye did make the beats for The Blueprint, and The Black Album, which are two of his most influential albums, so Kanye still gets the edge
Okay, I get that, so go into a thread dedicated to the appreciation of Kante West saying bullshit like "Bound 2. Enough said" And then trying to turn it on me, that's classy
Give me Jay Z any day over Kanye.
Far more influential.
How come every time you get called out for a bad post, you just ignore the previous dialogue, and start over?
You: *Extremely hyperbolic and ridiculous insult about Kanye and his fans*
Everybody: That's really stupid
You: *New, slightly more disguised, insult about Kanye and his fans*
This is literally how every conversation you've had has gone since the Kanye news. You're doing a terrible job of hiding the fact that Kanye's existance really bothers you. It's very strange.
Ftr, I think your taste in music sucks. So maybe you should realize that the rest of the music loving world might not agree with everything you say.
How come every time you get called out for a bad post, you just ignore the previous dialogue, and start over?
You: *Extremely hyperbolic and ridiculous insult about Kanye and his fans*
Everybody: That's really stupid
You: *New, slightly more disguised, insult about Kanye and his fans*
This is literally how every conversation you've had has gone since the Kanye news. You're doing a terrible job of hiding the fact that Kanye's existance really bothers you. It's very strange.
Ftr, I think your taste in music sucks. So maybe you should realize that the rest of the music loving world might not agree with everything you say.
My favorite part is when he came in with his Kanye hate, then I call him out for it, and he gives that stupid "music is subjective, man" response. Which was absolutely the most hypocritical thing he could've done
How come every time you get called out for a bad post, you just ignore the previous dialogue, and start over?
You: *Extremely hyperbolic and ridiculous insult about Kanye and his fans*
Everybody: That's really stupid
You: *New, slightly more disguised, insult about Kanye and his fans*
This is literally how every conversation you've had has gone since the Kanye news. You're doing a terrible job of hiding the fact that Kanye's existance really bothers you. It's very strange.
Ftr, I think your taste in music sucks. So maybe you should realize that the rest of the music loving world might not agree with everything you say.
My favorite part is when he came in with his Kanye hate, then I call him out for it, and he gives that stupid "music is subjective, man" response. Which was absolutely the most hypocritical thing he could've done
Yeah, but you were looking at it all wrong. Subjectivity is subjective, which results in him hating and liking everything all at the same time. Being so subjective is a burden you'll never understand man. We're all just a few steps behind the TRUE music fan.
808's has definitely changed the face of music and I don't even know how it's debatable
You made a blanket statement that Drake is popular because of 808s (paraphrasing). Please provide a more detailed explanation, b/c I don't see it.
808's allowed the wave of hip hop with emotional lyrics, which some have dubbed "emo rap" to become the predominant style of hip hop. Other artists I've mentioned, like Drake, Frank Ocean and The Weekend, are popular largely because of the lyricism of 808's.
You made a blanket statement that Drake is popular because of 808s (paraphrasing). Please provide a more detailed explanation, b/c I don't see it.
808's allowed the wave of hip hop with emotional lyrics, which some have dubbed "emo rap" to become the predominant style of hip hop. Other artists I've mentioned, like Drake, Frank Ocean and The Weekend, are popular largely because of the lyricism of 808's.
The problem is 808s wasn't critically acclaimed or well received by the public. Isn't it possible that Drake, Weekend, and Frank Ocean paved their own way?
808's allowed the wave of hip hop with emotional lyrics, which some have dubbed "emo rap" to become the predominant style of hip hop. Other artists I've mentioned, like Drake, Frank Ocean and The Weekend, are popular largely because of the lyricism of 808's.
The problem is 808s wasn't critically acclaimed or well received by the public. Isn't it possible that Drake, Weekend, and Frank Ocean paved their own way?
I mean, every artists paves their own way, I'm just not sure how well-received these artists would've been had 808's not have been a precedent. I think if 808's would've been released in 2013 it would've been met with universal acclaim
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Well, that's certainly debatable at the least. And if you take a step back, you'll see that you are attempting to take a very difficult to prove and genuinely subjective position.
Can a mod please change the title of this thread to "Stating opinions about Kanye West as scientific facts."?
Person one... Kanye West is the best musical act EVARRRR!!! Person two... Kanye is dumb, and I hate him for being late in 2008 Person one... Get over it dude, I have a time machine and I can tell you that 808s is the best / most important album in the entire span of human existence Person two... Kanye's momma DJ'ed for the ice cream truck Person one... Whatever dude, kanye's momma deserves a Nobel Prize for giving birth to Kanye
Just to fuel the fire, lol.
Kanye West is an egotistical, pompous, bagful of dicks. He could rightfully be called the greatest music producer in the history of R&B/Hip Hop/Rap, but could also rightfully be called the worst (famous) Emcee in the history of rap music. As a producer, his output is consistently great. As a rapper, his voice is irrating, and lacks any special or unique qualities, his delivery is bland, and his lyrics range from self centered nonsense to garbage.
Kanye did make the beats for The Blueprint, and The Black Album, which are two of his most influential albums, so Kanye still gets the edge
I wasn't sure if you were right or not, so I looked it up... Kanye produced about half of Blueprint 3 (with No ID co producing on all but one), and only produced 2 songs on the black album, if you don't believe me, check wikipedia.