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And seriously, you're not sure how successful Drake would have been had Kanye not released a shitty* album beforehand? That's your proof that 808s "changed the face of music"?
*Abbreviation for not critically acclaimed or well received by the public.
Can a mod please change the title of this thread to "Stating opinions about Kanye West as scientific facts."?
Person one... Kanye West is the best musical act EVARRRR!!! Person two... Kanye is dumb, and I hate him for being late in 2008 Person one... Get over it dude, I have a time machine and I can tell you that 808s is the best / most important album in the entire span of human existence Person two... Kanye's momma DJ'ed for the ice cream truck Person one... Whatever dude, kanye's momma deserves a Nobel Prize for giving birth to Kanye
Just to fuel the fire, lol.
Kanye West is an egotistical, pompous, bagful of dicks. He could rightfully be called the greatest music producer in the history of R&B/Hip Hop/Rap, but could also rightfully be called the worst (famous) Emcee in the history of rap music. As a producer, his output is consistently great. As a rapper, his voice is irrating, and lacks any special or unique qualities, his delivery is bland, and his lyrics range from self centered nonsense to garbage.
Kanye did make the beats for The Blueprint, and The Black Album, which are two of his most influential albums, so Kanye still gets the edge
I wasn't sure if you were right or not, so I looked it up... Kanye produced about half of Blueprint 3 (with No ID co producing on all but one), and only produced 2 songs on the black album, if you don't believe me, check wikipedia.
Yeah, he did the only a few beats between the albums, but they were some of the biggest hits (Hova, Lucifer, encore)
And seriously, you're not sure how successful Drake would have been had Kanye not released a shitty* album beforehand? That's your proof that 808s "changed the face of music"?
*Abbreviation for not critically acclaimed or well received by the public.
How come every time you get called out for a bad post, you just ignore the previous dialogue, and start over?
You: *Extremely hyperbolic and ridiculous insult about Kanye and his fans*
Everybody: That's really stupid
You: *New, slightly more disguised, insult about Kanye and his fans*
This is literally how every conversation you've had has gone since the Kanye news. You're doing a terrible job of hiding the fact that Kanye's existance really bothers you. It's very strange.
Ftr, I think your taste in music sucks. So maybe you should realize that the rest of the music loving world might not agree with everything you say.
Because my opinion of Kanye is his music sucks. I don't really care what someone else thinks, I'm free to my opinion.
Kanye copied older sounds from the golden age of hiphop, and introduced it as "new". The same has been done before, and since people have short memories, they tend to forget older music that was not sold as well.
So I'm not worried about others opinions. I listen to what I like. I think Kanye was a salesman who introduced old, as new. I don't wear bell bottoms either, but seemingly people thought they were new again a few years ago.
The man has tried to compare himself to Michael Jackson. I mean really? Michael Jackson gave birth to pop, Kanye regurgitated music in a world where a sound studio can make me sound good. When he got to big for his britches, he started really doing his own stuff, which has now culminated in some of the worst crap I've heard in my life.
Comment on that, or don't, I really don't care. I hope he isn't at bonnaroo. If he is there, I won't be at that show. I missed shows last year that I didn't like, and many did.
And life moves on. We will find out on Feb 19.
For Christ's sake, more people want to see Kanye over David Bowie which, I think is a crime to all that is holy.
And seriously, you're not sure how successful Drake would have been had Kanye not released a shitty* album beforehand? That's your proof that 808s "changed the face of music"?
*Abbreviation for not critically acclaimed or well received by the public.
Drake would not have been as successful, no
That's quite a stretch. Lotta people were using autotune circa '08-'09. Can't buy this idea that Kanye taking it in a different direction changed Drake's career much at all.
That's quite a stretch. Lotta people were using autotune circa '08-'09. Can't buy this idea that Kanye taking it in a different direction changed Drake's career much at all.
How come every time you get called out for a bad post, you just ignore the previous dialogue, and start over?
You: *Extremely hyperbolic and ridiculous insult about Kanye and his fans*
Everybody: That's really stupid
You: *New, slightly more disguised, insult about Kanye and his fans*
This is literally how every conversation you've had has gone since the Kanye news. You're doing a terrible job of hiding the fact that Kanye's existance really bothers you. It's very strange.
Ftr, I think your taste in music sucks. So maybe you should realize that the rest of the music loving world might not agree with everything you say.
Because my opinion of Kanye is his music sucks. I don't really care what someone else thinks, I'm free to my opinion.
Kanye copied older sounds from the golden age of hiphop, and introduced it as "new". The same has been done before, and since people have short memories, they tend to forget older music that was not sold as well.
So I'm not worried about others opinions. I listen to what I like. I think Kanye was a salesman who introduced old, as new. I don't wear bell bottoms either, but seemingly people thought they were new again a few years ago.
The man has tried to compare himself to Michael Jackson. I mean really? Michael Jackson gave birth to pop, Kanye regurgitated music in a world where a sound studio can make me sound good. When he got to big for his britches, he started really doing his own stuff, which has now culminated in some of the worst crap I've heard in my life.
Comment on that, or don't, I really don't care. I hope he isn't at bonnaroo. If he is there, I won't be at that show. I missed shows last year that I didn't like, and many did.
And life moves on. We will find out on Feb 19.
For Christ's sake, more people want to see Kanye over David Bowie which, I think is a crime to all that is holy.
I'm literally clapping in my empty office.
How is it possible to type so much, yet not respond to a single thing that I've said? You didn't say anything about your rude Kanye comments. Nothing about why you constantly change the subject when you've been respectfully called out (big surprise). You said nothing about your apparent obsession with Kanye. You also completely ignored the fact that I, and every other poster for that matter, knows you don't f*cking like Kanye. You literally just did it again. You got called out on your Kanye crap, quoted me, and then spent 5 minutes of your life telling us that you don't like Kanye West in a thread titled, "The Triumphant Return of Kanye West". You seriously don't see how pyscho this is?
I think you're a crime to all that is holy. You don't want me forcing that opinion down your throat, do you? Either take part in the discussion, because you know, this is a discussion board, or find somewhere else to obsessively rant about someone you don't know. How about we start by aknowledging the fact that you said every Kanye fan is not a real music fan. Let's give this a try...
(seriously, please don't b*tch about Kanye again in case you didn't get it)
That's quite a stretch. Lotta people were using autotune circa '08-'09. Can't buy this idea that Kanye taking it in a different direction changed Drake's career much at all.
Not in terms of auto tune, in terms of lyricism
I feel if Kanye had any effect on Drake it would have been from earlier in Ye's career. Still would be very indirect.
Or maybe the hashtag punchlines that Ye did on Good Morning and Barry Bonds. Drake and a bunch of others drove those into the ground pretty good.
Either way 808s is still in the bottom half of Kanye's catalog for me and any Drake albums it may or may not have influenced sucked too.
Bonnaroo 2008-2013
0ct 11 Pearl Jam
Oct 12 Pearl Jam
March 16 Arcade Fire
April 29 Arcade Fire
Sept 4 Wilco
Sept 9 The Hold Steady
Oct 16 Pearl Jam
Oct 17 Gaslight Anthem
Emoney serves more of a purpose than any of you, especially Nate, whose incessant, garbled ramblings are so mindless and pointless that I get depressed just seeing them.
Because my opinion of Kanye is his music sucks. I don't really care what someone else thinks, I'm free to my opinion.
Kanye copied older sounds from the golden age of hiphop, and introduced it as "new". The same has been done before, and since people have short memories, they tend to forget older music that was not sold as well.
So I'm not worried about others opinions. I listen to what I like. I think Kanye was a salesman who introduced old, as new. I don't wear bell bottoms either, but seemingly people thought they were new again a few years ago.
The man has tried to compare himself to Michael Jackson. I mean really? Michael Jackson gave birth to pop, Kanye regurgitated music in a world where a sound studio can make me sound good. When he got to big for his britches, he started really doing his own stuff, which has now culminated in some of the worst crap I've heard in my life.
Comment on that, or don't, I really don't care. I hope he isn't at bonnaroo. If he is there, I won't be at that show. I missed shows last year that I didn't like, and many did.
And life moves on. We will find out on Feb 19.
For Christ's sake, more people want to see Kanye over David Bowie which, I think is a crime to all that is holy.
I'm literally clapping in my empty office.
How is it possible to type so much, yet not respond to a single thing that I've said? You didn't say anything about your rude Kanye comments. Nothing about why you constantly change the subject when you've been respectfully called out (big surprise). You said nothing about your apparent obsession with Kanye. You also completely ignored the fact that I, and every other poster for that matter, knows you don't f*cking like Kanye. You literally just did it again. You got called out on your Kanye crap, quoted me, and then spent 5 minutes of your life telling us that you don't like Kanye West in a thread titled, "The Triumphant Return of Kanye West". You seriously don't see how pyscho this is?
I think you're a crime to all that is holy. You don't want me forcing that opinion down your throat, do you? Either take part in the discussion, because you know, this is a discussion board, or find somewhere else to obsessively rant about someone you don't know. How about we start by aknowledging the fact that you said every Kanye fan is not a real music fan. Let's give this a try...
(seriously, please don't b*tch about Kanye again in case you didn't get it)