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I would also like to say that up until Jimmy picked me over Linana I felt confident that he was a townie. I am still thinking over the reasons and other votes that made up having the two of us in the runoff, but simply based on odds, the number of players, and being round 1 with so little to go on, it is a very real possibility that that he is a townie as well.
Since it looks like I am the primary target, here are my thought's on mafia right now:
My first thought on mafia is that 2 of them are in the second group I mentioned, that didn't have to make a move. If mafia can get by easy, they will. To sum up, those folks are Phi, O'neil, Snakeface, Linana, Ella, and Bogart. Linana would be towards the top of my suspicion list based on getting out of the runoff like she did. A little bit of a red flag was also the "I feel like I am being used" comment, typically "why me" approach should be read "fry me" as in the townies are here to be used, to a certain extent, to weed out the mafia. We all know it is difficult to get a mafia in day 1, townies need to realize and be willing to be a martyr of sorts so the mafia can be tracked later in the game. Snakeface is as well, voting Jimmy like he did with the reasoning of him being too vocal should raise flags for everyone. Yes, to a certain extent anyone can twist anything around how they want, but without discussion we have virtually nothing to go on. If you are reading this, Snakeface, and are a townie, I hope you realize that simply voting players for being too active will make you the mafia's best friend and the rest of the town has to work around that as opposed to with you. Bogart would be my third possibility based on my thoughts in my last post about trying to law low and purposefully not stack someone into the runoff.
As far as the first group I mentioned, those who have made moves to form the runoff, I would think there is one mafia in there, small chance of two due to being kinda risky having multiple mafia throwing folks into the runoff if they don't have to. I know I am a townie, I will touch on Jimmy next. That leaves Tejas, Ody and NBF. Tajas is a possibility, based on what my comment below on Jimmy. Ody, not sure about. I would bet if he is, Jimmy is not because Ody's vote took Jimmy to the runoff and it has remained there. NBF I don't know about, she put me in the runoff for a quazzi questionable reason and has left it there as well.
If Jimmy is mafia, I would be willing to bet that at least one of Bogart/Tejas is as well. Those two have their votes reset on the final runoff and it would basically be a guarantee that Jimmy makes it through. It's a pretty easy move as a lot of the votes don't have to be based on too much fact as of yet.
I guess while I am at it we will get everyone covered. Phi, Ella, and O'neil are the ones I am not suspicious of for any real reason. Yes Phi has left his vote on me the whole game, but from what I remember, he is not one to throw is vote around in round 1. O'neil has left a vote on Jimmy, Ella originally voted Tejas, voted Jimmy later on and held it there. I am not familiar with either of them in this game, doesn't seem particularly odd where their votes are.
Finally we have Mike D. Well, I read his PM and it said townie and this leads me to believe he is a townie.
Pretty sure this covers everyone, hopefully my last two posts/summary can be helpful to yall later in the game. If you were left out, lemme know
I want to preface this by saying I'm almost POSITIVE that both Mike D and Jimmyroo are mafia.
However, I Mike D makes some pretty good points above and it made me realize that voting out one of our strongest players in the first round would be a terrible decision. I swear to god though Mike D, if you are mafia and I'm wrong about this, I'm driving over to your house and pooping next to your door!
MikeD and JimmyRoo are standing on a subway platform. Engine Engine #9 on the New York transit line rolls into the station, and the lights flicker as a thunderstorm passes by above ground. When the lights turn back on, Jimmy is squished by said 9 Train.
JimmyRoo is dead.
Inspector send me your guess and Mafia please kill another damned soul.
My first thought on mafia is that 2 of them are in the second group I mentioned, that didn't have to make a move. If mafia can get by easy, they will. To sum up, those folks are Phi, O'neil, Snakeface, Linana, Ella, and Bogart.
I guess while I am at it we will get everyone covered. Phi, Ella, and O'neil are the ones I am not suspicious of for any real reason. Yes Phi has left his vote on me the whole game, but from what I remember, he is not one to throw is vote around in round 1. O'neil has left a vote on Jimmy, Ella originally voted Tejas, voted Jimmy later on and held it there. I am not familiar with either of them in this game, doesn't seem particularly odd where their votes are.
these parts of your post seem contradictory. (FTR I left out the parts that did not pertain to me) I don't think I tried to "get by easy"- I posted a good bit and tried to keep things moving and people talking. that is probably not something the mafia tends to do because then you would be more likely to trip up or expose yourself or your affiliations.
I do agree with the second part. I left my vote on jimmy because I just never had convincing enough reason to change it. while I disagree with Phi and think probably both of you are/were townies, I was never convinced that either linana or ody was likely to be mafia either.
I want to preface this by saying I'm almost POSITIVE that both Mike D and Jimmyroo are mafia.
However, I Mike D makes some pretty good points above and it made me realize that voting out one of our strongest players in the first round would be a terrible decision. I swear to god though Mike D, if you are mafia and I'm wrong about this, I'm driving over to your house and pooping next to your door!
Phi >>> Mike D >>> jimmyroo
LOL Wow, so I was re-reading through this thread to find some clues and came across my own typo.
I completely meant to say that I am almost positive that both Mike D and Jimmyroo are TOWNIES.
Bogart was walking alone in the streets of Ridgewood, Queens one night. He was stoned and starving, and walks into a nearby bodega. While inside the bodega, he's debating between Swedish Fish, roasted peanuts or licorice. As this happens, a masked individual wearing all black and baggy clothes pulls out a gun - shooting and killing Bogart and the store owner, before robbing the place and fleeing the scene.
The incident is "under investigation" by the NYPD... but I wouldn't take their word on that.
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This is interesting.. Because if I were mafia I would have whacked MikeD because if he is a townie he would figure this s*it out quick. But the fact that he didn't get whacked is telling.
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This is interesting.. Because if I were mafia I would have whacked MikeD because if he is a townie he would figure this s*it out quick. But the fact that he didn't get whacked is telling.
Tejas > MikeD
that is a good point. it could be mafia trying to set Mike D up to look suspicious I guess but it does seem strange.
the bogart whack was odd to me, he had already said he would be gone without Internet access for awhile and therefore would presumably be less of an asset to the town. so why kill him off? as mafia wouldn't you want to kill off the stronger players who can help the town instead?
I also thought Phi's last minute vote was interesting as I already posted.
I'm also still not sure about linana. like I said, I didn't necessarily get a vibe that she was definitely mafia, but the fact that she got thrown in, defended, then avoided the final runoff makes me wonder.
however, the thing that stuck out most last round with voting, at least to me was this:
maybe it's just lack of experience, but as mentioned, that's a weird reason to vote someone, especially when it's a stack that put jimmy out in front at that point.
Along not so different lines, Phi's last minute vote change doesn't sit well with me.
NBF >>> Phi
Obviously I knew making such a last minute vote change would bring attention to me.
But think about it for a second. If I was mafia, why in the WORLD would I wait so long to protect my fellow mafia (Mike D)? If you'll go back and look, I had my vote on Mike D from the 2nd post in the thread. I would have never even allowed Mike D in the runoff!
That being said, snake is being INCREDIBLY quiet, and for now my vote is going there. But by no means locked in.
Post by snakeface34 on Jul 5, 2013 14:37:49 GMT -5
I'm going Linana. Since she was very outspoken until we had a townie in the runoff. I don't know, man. Just throwing this out there. Probably not great reasoning but I don't have much else.
This is interesting.. Because if I were mafia I would have whacked MikeD because if he is a townie he would figure this s*it out quick. But the fact that he didn't get whacked is telling.
Tejas > MikeD
that is a good point. it could be mafia trying to set Mike D up to look suspicious I guess but it does seem strange.
the bogart whack was odd to me, he had already said he would be gone without Internet access for awhile and therefore would presumably be less of an asset to the town. so why kill him off? as mafia wouldn't you want to kill off the stronger players who can help the town instead?
I'm finally in a spot where I can get my head back in this game, and this is what I come back to?! I really don't believe we had any mafia in the second runoff there, but of the two I am glad that Mike D is still around. He at least is giving decent analysis on players without basing it on weak reasoning. Since I haven't had any experience with playing along with him, I don't know that his quietness or cryptic whatever that jimmy was talking about has to do with his role affiliation, and he's a great asset if he's town.
Also, the Bogart whack makes no sense to me whatsoever. If mafia are just looking at plucking people at random, then there is a great chance that we can win this one for the town, since this whack was on what looked to be one of the less useful players at this time. This makes me think that the mafia may have a newer player or two in there--not really thinking in steps, just picking out names.
I'm going Linana. Since she was very outspoken until we had a townie in the runoff. I don't know, man. Just throwing this out there. Probably not great reasoning but I don't have much else.
Snake, care to elaborate on what you mean by "until we had a townie in the runoff". You do realize that you are voting for her for being vocal, then too quiet, but you were fine with voting for Jimmy for the sole reason of him being too vocal?
Post by snakeface34 on Jul 5, 2013 19:23:28 GMT -5
Well we now know that Jimmy was a townie, right? Did I just make that up in my head? Fuck man I don't even know. Anyway, it wasn't necessarily the fact that she was loud and then not, it just struck me as "Now that I'm satisfied that a townie's in the runoff and he's going down, I don't need to speak anymore." Either way, my bad for repeatedly phrasing things badly XD
Although I am thankful, Phi's vote change does sit a little funny with me, especially after getting a vote right off the bat from Tejas and NBF following up with her agreeing with that vote even though she voted Phi.
I am curious to know what yall think about the Bogart whack. Regarding his votes, he originally voted Linana, then switched to me in the runoff. Obviously the two of us should come up for consideration, but I don't see much of anything that would lead to the the mafia (given Linana is mafia as well) to believe Bogart was inspector, but the mafia apparently did. I haven't had time to read through and see if he was pushing for someone else without voting for him yet.
I tend to go with the notion (specifically from being mafia a number of times in the past) that the number one priority of the whacks is to get the inspector. If you have no real idea, you would typically go for one of the more experienced or vocal players such as myself, Phi, NBF, et cetera. I know Bogart has played a few games, I just haven't played a ton with him. I have seen a game where the mafia simply killed off only the experienced players, I have been part on one where we killed off only the weaker/quiet/non aggressive players, so it isn't always the case.
I am fine with going to back to back runoffs, but just know that if I am in there again, that is one less player you could be getting info from and see how they react under some pressure and see additional voting patterns. If you send me (or anyone else from the previous runoff) to the runoff this round, I would recommend making sure the other folks were not in the round 1 runoff.
Although I am thankful, Phi's vote change does sit a little funny with me, especially after getting a vote right off the bat from Tejas and NBF following up with her agreeing with that vote even though she voted Phi.
Well, it's possible to not disagree with being suspicious of someone, but still feel that someone else is more suspicious. Since Phi was actually the one that made the last minute vote change, that's who I voted for.
As far as the Bogart kill, I usually completely agree that mafia tries to get someone they think is inspector with the whacks, but I can't help but wonder if the mafia's decision as to Bogart was not at least partially influenced by a desire not to disrupt the game since Bogart announced early on that he was going to be gone for awhile.
Although I am thankful, Phi's vote change does sit a little funny with me, especially after getting a vote right off the bat from Tejas and NBF following up with her agreeing with that vote even though she voted Phi.
Well, it's possible to not disagree with being suspicious of someone, but still feel that someone else is more suspicious. Since Phi was actually the one that made the last minute vote change, that's who I voted for.
As far as the Bogart kill, I usually completely agree that mafia tries to get someone they think is inspector with the whacks, but I can't help but wonder if the mafia's decision as to Bogart was not at least partially influenced by a desire not to disrupt the game since Bogart announced early on that he was going to be gone for awhile.
lol wait, you think the mafia whacked bogart as an attempt to help everyone since he could possibly hold up the game?
...................seriously?
i kinda doubt the mafia want to help us in any way.
quoting all of bogart's posts as well as a couple of Jimmy's replies to him below (emphasis mine). Mike D got me wondering if maybe the mafia did suspect him of being inspector... it's the only reason that makes sense for the whack IMO, given that he would have been of limited value to the town this game due to travel.
I know that when I was inspector, I used a defensible reason to vote for the mafia name I had been given on day 1, but then had to change my vote in the runoff to avoid suspicion. it's a risk but if you think you can back if up it's worth taking.
just wondering if the mafia thought that's what bogart did: used linana's vote for him as a reason to vote her but then change his vote later to try to deflect suspicion. it's one way to interpret some of these posts: that bogart was inspector with linana's name, and jimmy was a fellow mafia trying to determine if that was the case. granted, I wouldn't expect the mafia to be so vocal/ aggressive in defending each other the way jimmy was with linana but who knows.
could be completely off base, just throwing it out there. and maybe someone else will pick something different up in bogart's posts that is helpful.
It's been almost a day since a two person runoff was created, and really no activity at all. Right after that happened, Bogart put his vote on Linana instead of putting a 3rd person into the runoff. I think it's pretty much accepted that a 3 person runoff is better for the first round of voting (Bogart has been playing long enough here to see that discussion fleshed out). Maybe he is protecting someone? Ody, Phi, Mike D, NBF all had a vote already and could have been made a 3rd by Bogart. The fact that all of them are veteran players makes me think one of them is probably mafia (since I'm not, you gotta think there is at least one veteran mafia). Either way, I think the quietness around hear makes for a preferable runoff for the Mafia and Bogart's vote is hurting the town more than helping.
Jimmy, can't argue against that logic other than I voted for her because she voted for me, also I tend to not stack until the runoff.
Full disclosure to everyone. I wasn't really thinking when I signed up for this, I thought we were going to play before Roo and then when it got pushed back I didn't think it would be pushed back again. I am going to be out of town from July 3 - 13, in which I will be in Seattle. I will not have access to a phone from July 3rd to around the 8th (will be on the top of mount Rainier), and access from the 8th to 13th will be limited at best. I apoligize to the townies and I admit I should have thought this out more. I would say vote me out but I don't want to hurt the townies chance of winning. That being said if you guys want to vote me out I completely understand and will put a vote on myself.
For the record, I didn't once say we should vote for Bogart because he's possibly lying about going mountain climbing this weekend. That was someone else.
I had a real reason to vote for him, because with 2 people left to vote, and 2 people in the runoff, Bogart voted on someone who had no votes yet and pretty much said nothing up to that point (Linana). Bogart could have voted for Ody, Mike D, NBF, or Phi to make a 3 person runoff. He says he was just returning the vote for Linana - but he still waited until only 2 people were left to vote - THEN he returned his vote for Linana even though he and Ody were the only people left to make a 3 way runoff.
It seemed suspicious to me, nd Bogart even acknowledged it. So did Tejas. And possibly one or two others (Ella?). Now it's being spun on me like I'm being suspicious and protecting Linana, which is comical. I'm just trying to point out the OBVIOUS. Bogart could have voted for 4 people to create a 3 person runoff. Obviously mafia can't be Bogart and all 4 of those people. But I think it's fair for me to look at those 5 people and say maybe the runoff should include them.
To say I'm protecting Linana is also absurd. Did I switch my vote to her voter in retaliation? No. All I asked was why she's being voted for. It seems there is no tangible reason besides "jimmy is protecting her". The FUNNY part is, she got put in the runoff BEFORE I even typed her name in a post. Again, I don't care of she's in the runoff because I don't know of she's mafia and she's been quiet. But I had a fair reason to suspect Bogart and a few others IMO. Bogart himself and others accepted it as fair reasoning top. If you think I'm full of BS or acting suspicious then you suck at this game and may god have mercy on your soul. I'm looking at Phi specifically.
I like where my vote is at the moment. Mike D is too good of an asset to the town if he is a townie and jimmy is starting to become just the same (read: both players benefit the town). Between linana and ody it was just a crapshoot for me. Not to say they aren't good players but both have been quite (look whose talking).
One thing that strikes me as odd is both this game and last I was slated to be put in the runoff first round then I was knocked out before the runoff was started which made me look suspicious.
After reading through I don't get the feeling either one of you is mafia, but when it comes to quite vs talkative (in a runoff) I tend to believe the talkative person more (yes I realize I am a quite player). Pending mike d's response I feel like I have no other choice.
Bogart > linana > mike D
When is the cutoff? I don't want to put the nail in his coffin without hearing from him.
Jimmy, I still don't get where the "if you vote for linana you must be mafia" idea comes from. How do you know she isn't mafia? Because we chose not to stack? Did you ever think I just put a vote out there (like I normally do)? Instead it seems like you instantly pegged me as mafia along with mine d and have been running with that ever since.
This is the one thing that is bothering me about not voting for you and honestly I am highly considering changing my vote.
Well, it's possible to not disagree with being suspicious of someone, but still feel that someone else is more suspicious. Since Phi was actually the one that made the last minute vote change, that's who I voted for.
As far as the Bogart kill, I usually completely agree that mafia tries to get someone they think is inspector with the whacks, but I can't help but wonder if the mafia's decision as to Bogart was not at least partially influenced by a desire not to disrupt the game since Bogart announced early on that he was going to be gone for awhile.
lol wait, you think the mafia whacked bogart as an attempt to help everyone since he could possibly hold up the game?
...................seriously?
i kinda doubt the mafia want to help us in any way.
I don't think it's far fetched to think the mafia would want to keep the game going. Not necessarily for the townies' sake, but maybe for their own. Particularly where it was easy to do anyway, as Bogart hadn't said much one way or another, so the kill didn't put a lot of attention on anyone.
just wondering if the mafia thought that's what bogart did: used linana's vote for him as a reason to vote her but then change his vote later to try to deflect suspicion. it's one way to interpret some of these posts: that bogart was inspector with linana's name, and jimmy was a fellow mafia trying to determine if that was the case. granted, I wouldn't expect the mafia to be so vocal/ aggressive in defending each other the way jimmy was with linana but who knows.
I don't really believe that Jimmy was ever aggressively defending Linana. He said several times that he thought it was random that she was put in the runoff and that he didn't think that she had done anything suspicious, but at least a couple of those times were in response to people accusing him of defending her.
Also, if Jimmy were mafia, wouldn't Phi have been the one killed overnight? If I were mafia, and at the last minute of a runoff, one of my fellow mafia was killed because a player changed his vote from the person he'd had it on all game to the mafia member, the person who changed his vote would be at the top spot for my suspected inspectors. While it arguably would confirm for the townies that the vote changer was probably the inspector, the only thing they would really learn from the kill is that the person who was already killed off was probably mafia. In this case, it might have also cast suspicion on Linana too, since there was so much discussion of Jimmy being connected to her, but if she was not mafia, that would have worked in their favor, and if she was, it's still probably a risk mafia would have had to take in order to get rid of the inspector.
just wondering if the mafia thought that's what bogart did: used linana's vote for him as a reason to vote her but then change his vote later to try to deflect suspicion. it's one way to interpret some of these posts: that bogart was inspector with linana's name, and jimmy was a fellow mafia trying to determine if that was the case. granted, I wouldn't expect the mafia to be so vocal/ aggressive in defending each other the way jimmy was with linana but who knows.
I don't really believe that Jimmy was ever aggressively defending Linana. He said several times that he thought it was random that she was put in the runoff and that he didn't think that she had done anything suspicious, but at least a couple of those times were in response to people accusing him of defending her.
Also, if Jimmy were mafia, wouldn't Phi have been the one killed overnight? If I were mafia, and at the last minute of a runoff, one of my fellow mafia was killed because a player changed his vote from the person he'd had it on all game to the mafia member, the person who changed his vote would be at the top spot for my suspected inspectors. While it arguably would confirm for the townies that the vote changer was probably the inspector, the only thing they would really learn from the kill is that the person who was already killed off was probably mafia. In this case, it might have also cast suspicion on Linana too, since there was so much discussion of Jimmy being connected to her, but if she was not mafia, that would have worked in their favor, and if she was, it's still probably a risk mafia would have had to take in order to get rid of the inspector.
I don't know if I agree that mafia would have suspected Phi as inspector (if jimmy was mafia), based on his vote change. actually if I were mafia, I would think that's the last thing the inspector would do, change their vote last minute- especially as the deciding one- to the mafia name they had. it would potentially set off alarms and while most townies aren't into self-preservation the inspector has to try to stay alive. I think the inspector would be far more likely to keep their vote on the other person in order to avoid suspicion and stay alive to make another guess.
I still don't know if jimmy was at all likely to have been mafia. but I don't think Phi being alive proves that he wasn't.
lol wait, you think the mafia whacked bogart as an attempt to help everyone since he could possibly hold up the game?
...................seriously?
i kinda doubt the mafia want to help us in any way.
I don't think it's far fetched to think the mafia would want to keep the game going. Not necessarily for the townies' sake, but maybe for their own. Particularly where it was easy to do anyway, as Bogart hadn't said much one way or another, so the kill didn't put a lot of attention on anyone.
I still don't get the bogart whack. why would the mafia want to keep the game going? and risk being found out and killed off? I would think a quick takedown of strong players, or as Mike D said, a suspected inspector, would be far more to their benefit. I'm just not seeing this one.
