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You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
I was able to vote null in a previous game and it was counted as an official vote, not as "left to vote." I am voting null right now because I believe the 3 person runoff we currently have is good. I assume if anyone wants to make it a four person runoff, it would include me, and I can't really help that because I'm not going to vote for myself.
I was able to vote null in a previous game and it was counted as an official vote, not as "left to vote." I am voting null right now because I believe the 3 person runoff we currently have is good. I assume if anyone wants to make it a four person runoff, it would include me, and I can't really help that because I'm not going to vote for myself.
Seriously dude?
Just put your vote on someone who has no votes then?
If you're a townie, you are freaking killing us man! And if you're mafia, well, I bet your other 2 mafia members arent too happy with you.
I was able to vote null in a previous game and it was counted as an official vote, not as "left to vote." I am voting null right now because I believe the 3 person runoff we currently have is good. I assume if anyone wants to make it a four person runoff, it would include me, and I can't really help that because I'm not going to vote for myself.
Seriously dude?
Just put your vote on someone who has no votes then?
If you're a townie, you are freaking killing us man! And if you're mafia, well, I bet your other 2 mafia members arent too happy with you.
Okay...for some reason my comment on that didn't go through. What I am wondering is what good it would do for Ody to put his vote on someone just for the sake of voting. It would get the same results at this point as voting null, I don't really think it would be a conversation starter per se.
Idk but ody's non-vote doesn't exactly sit well with me. Mafia might do something like that to try and remain under the radar. I can understand the long silence since you were out of town, but to come back and still be essentially silent isn't helping the town.
So my wanting to keep a 3 person runoff and reserve my vote for when it would actually matter (in the runoff), makes me suspicious? I'm not sure how, the only option is I make it a 4 person runoff (which everyone said earlier in the game they didn't want), vote for someone arbitrarily (which could be twisted and used against me when really it would be a meaningless vote only to get us to the 3 person runoff), or vote for someone that already had two votes and try to end the round (which would do nothing but make me look worse).
I was noticing, however, that Linana and MikeD had both voted for each other, which would be a good distancing tactic in which one could save the other from the runoff if necessary. Obviously I've hurt myself enough by going out of town, it's easy enough to paint me in a bad light. Whatever, throw me in the runoff, but that vote switch seems very convenient to me.
So my wanting to keep a 3 person runoff and reserve my vote for when it would actually matter (in the runoff), makes me suspicious? I'm not sure how, the only option is I make it a 4 person runoff (which everyone said earlier in the game they didn't want), vote for someone arbitrarily (which could be twisted and used against me when really it would be a meaningless vote only to get us to the 3 person runoff), or vote for someone that already had two votes and try to end the round (which would do nothing but make me look worse).
I was noticing, however, that Linana and MikeD had both voted for each other, which would be a good distancing tactic in which one could save the other from the runoff if necessary. Obviously I've hurt myself enough by going out of town, it's easy enough to paint me in a bad light. Whatever, throw me in the runoff, but that vote switch seems very convenient to me.
I don't necessarily think you seem super guilty, but the thing about the null vote is it allows you a protection that none of the rest of us can take advantage of. Like you said, if you just pick someone, that choice is theoretically something that can be used against you. Well, guess what, all the rest of us picked someone, and our votes can be used against each of us. How is it fair for you to just get to stay silent and not put any evidence as to your role into play while everyone else had to make a choice and put that evidence out there?
So my wanting to keep a 3 person runoff and reserve my vote for when it would actually matter (in the runoff), makes me suspicious? I'm not sure how, the only option is I make it a 4 person runoff (which everyone said earlier in the game they didn't want), vote for someone arbitrarily (which could be twisted and used against me when really it would be a meaningless vote only to get us to the 3 person runoff), or vote for someone that already had two votes and try to end the round (which would do nothing but make me look worse).
I was noticing, however, that Linana and MikeD had both voted for each other, which would be a good distancing tactic in which one could save the other from the runoff if necessary. Obviously I've hurt myself enough by going out of town, it's easy enough to paint me in a bad light. Whatever, throw me in the runoff, but that vote switch seems very convenient to me.
I don't necessarily think you seem super guilty, but the thing about the null vote is it allows you a protection that none of the rest of us can take advantage of. Like you said, if you just pick someone, that choice is theoretically something that can be used against you. Well, guess what, all the rest of us picked someone, and our votes can be used against each of us. How is it fair for you to just get to stay silent and not put any evidence as to your role into play while everyone else had to make a choice and put that evidence out there?
Well I had done it in a previous game and there wasn't any uproar about it then
So my wanting to keep a 3 person runoff and reserve my vote for when it would actually matter (in the runoff), makes me suspicious? I'm not sure how, the only option is I make it a 4 person runoff (which everyone said earlier in the game they didn't want), vote for someone arbitrarily (which could be twisted and used against me when really it would be a meaningless vote only to get us to the 3 person runoff), or vote for someone that already had two votes and try to end the round (which would do nothing but make me look worse).
I was noticing, however, that Linana and MikeD had both voted for each other, which would be a good distancing tactic in which one could save the other from the runoff if necessary. Obviously I've hurt myself enough by going out of town, it's easy enough to paint me in a bad light. Whatever, throw me in the runoff, but that vote switch seems very convenient to me.
I don't necessarily think you seem super guilty, but the thing about the null vote is it allows you a protection that none of the rest of us can take advantage of. Like you said, if you just pick someone, that choice is theoretically something that can be used against you. Well, guess what, all the rest of us picked someone, and our votes can be used against each of us. How is it fair for you to just get to stay silent and not put any evidence as to your role into play while everyone else had to make a choice and put that evidence out there?
I agree with this point. of the people I suspect, ody has not been at the top of the list just because of the lack of posting... but the null vote bothers me. everyone has an opinion. I get not wanting to create a 4-person runoff, so then just throw your vote on someone else that you think deserves further discussion at some point.
it's not enough to make me seriously suspect ody as mafia, but it just doesn't sit well with me.
however, I'm not sure about the vote change by linana either. like I said, I don't think the null vote necessarily looks like a mafia move, it's just not a helpful one.
it wouldn't be enough to make me switch from a player I had more reason to suspect.
however, I'm not sure about the vote change by linana either. like I said, I don't think the null vote necessarily looks like a mafia move, it's just not a helpful one.
it wouldn't be enough to make me switch from a player I had more reason to suspect.
What could I honestly do that is helpful before the runoff? The only people who haven't had a lot of suspicion throughout the game are yourself, NBF, and maybe ella. I might need to double check, but those are the only people I could vote for that don't have a vote so I would preserve the 3 person runoff. I can't say that any of you have raised any red flags for me at this point, and maybe that should be suspicious to me, but I can't say I'd honestly believe it at this point, and it certainly wouldn't be helpful.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
o'neil
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however, I'm not sure about the vote change by linana either. like I said, I don't think the null vote necessarily looks like a mafia move, it's just not a helpful one.
it wouldn't be enough to make me switch from a player I had more reason to suspect.
What could I honestly do that is helpful before the runoff? The only people who haven't had a lot of suspicion throughout the game are yourself, NBF, and maybe ella. I might need to double check, but those are the only people I could vote for that don't have a vote so I would preserve the 3 person runoff. I can't say that any of you have raised any red flags for me at this point, and maybe that should be suspicious to me, but I can't say I'd honestly believe it at this point, and it certainly wouldn't be helpful.
ok. Tejas also didn't have a vote. but I get your point too. I guess it's just because you waited so long to vote (which I know you explained, but still) so people paid more attention to it. and like NBF said, votes are always used to help provide clues as to roles, and relationships.
but we can move on now. like I said, linana's vote change based on your null vote seems flimsier to me than the null vote itself.
Ref's notes: Due to the holiday weekend making some people away for days at a time, I've extended the round another 24 hours. So we'll be going into a runoff at 9 pm tomorrow (Tuesday). I really don't want to extend it much more than that though.
I already mentioned, in my previous post, that I wanted to change my vote from mike because I didn't think it would do the town any good to put him in another runoff. I just didn't know who I wanted to change to, because the only other person I was really suspicious of was SF but he already had 2 votes.
The new stuff from Ody was just strange enough that I felt comfortable changing my vote to him. His absence followed by non-voting is less helpful to the town than Mike's input, even if I haven't always agreed with him. Ironically, Mike has been more quiet the last day or two. But in all, Mike has offered more to the town. That's what it boils down to for me. For now.
Okay so my thoughts on the Bogart whack is that mafia could have had high suspicion of him being inspector. I think if mafia doesn't have a good guess on inspector then they go after the most useful townie. In my opinion if they didn't have a good idea they would have whacked MikeD, but because they whacked Bogart that lead me to believe they had good enough reason to believe he was inspector. Plus the fact that they knew he was going to be M.I.A which would be very much in the mafias favor.
So with that it leads me to a few things to think about.
-Bogart was inspector and somewhere in the last 7 pages he did something to tip off the mafia
-The bogart whack was random and the reason for the most useful townie(MikeD) not being whacked is because he is mafia.
With that being said I'm leaning more towards the second thought. I feel uneasy about MikeD not being whacked. Also the fact that theirs no push to put him in the runoff is suspicious as well. I understand though why he doesn't have a vote(besides mine). No townies want to throw a vote on him because he gives good analysis of the players and seems to be very helpful. But If I were mafia I would try to at least get him in the runoff or something, but the fact that he has no votes combined with the fact that he didn't get whacked just doesn't add up. What makes a good mafia player is the ability to not only look like a townie, but to look more townie than the actual townies.
Honestly, when I started this post I was gonna throw a vote on a player to create a 3 person runoff but as I was typing this I convinced myself to keep my vote on MikeD. Please someone talk me out of this. I wanna believe MikeD is a townie but these things don't add up.
You are fairly contradictory in this post and it has been bugging me trying to figure it out. The first part rehashes one of my earlier posts, but you did add in some of your own thoughts I didn't cover - Bogart being gone and possibly away from the interwebz for a while.
You say you say you believe the mafia had enough reason to believe Bogart was most likely inspector, but you are also leaning more towards me not being whacked because I am mafia??
You say if you are mafia, you would try to get me in the runoff. You had already voted for me, then you make that post. You are the only vote on me at that time. You were the only person trying to get me in the runoff there, but sure, I will believe you are not mafia, yeah right. You gave your idea about what makes a good mafia, how do you feel about NBF, Ella, O'neil, other players that haven't really given a hint of being mafia as far as I am concerned, received minimal votes?
I am still somewhat suspicious of Linana, but I am much more confident in saying that Tejas belongs in the runoff. There is also no need for 2 of us from the previous runoff to be in there again. You know how the votes will fall on those folks, you aren't going to find any big surprises there.
Lot of movement right now even though not much actually changed when I came back. Now a 2 person runoff between myself and Snakeface. I think after both of these votes essentially saving one another, at least one of Linana and MikeD need to be back in the runoff. Seems a little sloppy, honestly, to be a mafia move.
My vote change should not come as a surprise as all and I am a little confused that you think it is the two of us saving each other. I have stated my opinion clearly on repeating runoff players and I will do my part to not let that happen. Just know that every time you repeat runoff players, someone else gets a free pass without having to show us anything. If yall are confident that the mafia can be nailed down by continually voting the same 3 players in the runoffs, you will be in for a very quick game at the hands of the mafia.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Jul 9, 2013 14:48:55 GMT -5
^ Mike, the problem with your reasoning as far as not putting you in another runoff is that I think, oftentimes, a person who escapes from the first round runoff does so because he has allies.
Can we get an updated tally on this page? I'm on my phone at work or I would do it for myself.
You say you say you believe the mafia had enough reason to believe Bogart was most likely inspector, but you are also leaning more towards me not being whacked because I am mafia??
Honestly, when I started this post I was gonna throw a vote on a player to create a 3 person runoff but as I was typing this I convinced myself to keep my vote on MikeD.
I had a whole post written up and in the end I think I was gonna throw a vote on ody to put him in the runoff. But literally as I was writing it, something in my gut was telling me I was making the wrong move. So I deleted everything except that first paragraph because I thought it was important to show 2 ways of thinking. Looking at it form your perspective I can see how that could seem contradictory. What I should have said is that if I'm wrong and your not mafia then Bogart should have done something to tip the mafia off, after looking over his posts I couldn't find anything he said to point to anyone specifically so I went with the other theory. That you COULD be mafia.
You say if you are mafia, you would try to get me in the runoff. You had already voted for me, then you make that post. You are the only vote on me at that time. You were the only person trying to get me in the runoff there, but sure, I will believe you are not mafia, yeah right. You gave your idea about what makes a good mafia, how do you feel about NBF, Ella, O'neil, other players that haven't really given a hint of being mafia as far as I am concerned, received minimal votes?
Again I see where your coming from. I say, "If I were mafia I would try to throw MikeD in the runoff" When I had already had a vote on you last round and again this round. It would be a ballsy move to say "hey if a certain player does THING 'A' thats a sign they could be mafia." In this case THING 'A' is trying to put you in the runoff. I would basically be showing my hand and having everyone knowing exactly what I'm doing as mafia. But thats not how I play thats something I think only a handful of players can pull off (You, Viking, LD). The point I was making was that I found it weird that no one is questioning you especially since phi saved your ass last minute. You seem to have this bubble around you b/c everyone thinks your the most helpful townie so if their wrong and we kill you, we killed our most helpful townie. The flip side to that is you can single handily win the game for mafia since A) No one is willing to confidently throw a vote on you B) If everyone takes your analysis and votes has 100% truth because your MikeD then you can play the town as your own puppet.
As far as NBF, Ella, & O'neil, off the top of my head the only one that is high on my suspicion list is NBF for his questionable post and his reasoning behind some of his votes. Without going back and reading the game Ella & O'neil dont come off as too suspicious.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Mike D
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^ Mike, the problem with your reasoning as far as not putting you in another runoff is that I think, oftentimes, a person who escapes from the first round runoff does so because he has allies.
Can we get an updated tally on this page? I'm on my phone at work or I would do it for myself.
I understand that, but Ody, Linanna, and myself were all there in round 1 and we are all being heavily considered for round 2. Yes, one person I can understand, possibly 2 if there is some evidence on both, but not all three of us. I don't think the three of us have all had 2 votes at the same time in round 2, but it went from Linana & me to Ody & me, now Linana and Ody (I am in the middle of a post and don't see another vote for Linana besides Ody's, but I am thinking she has another one still).
^ Mike, the problem with your reasoning as far as not putting you in another runoff is that I think, oftentimes, a person who escapes from the first round runoff does so because he has allies.
Can we get an updated tally on this page? I'm on my phone at work or I would do it for myself.
I understand that, but Ody, Linanna, and myself were all there in round 1 and we are all being heavily considered for round 2. Yes, one person I can understand, possibly 2 if there is some evidence on both, but not all three of us. I don't think the three of us have all had 2 votes at the same time in round 2, but it went from Linana & me to Ody & me, now Linana and Ody (I am in the middle of a post and don't see another vote for Linana besides Ody's, but I am thinking she has another one still).
I don't know how to interpret Mike D and Linana having their votes on each other and then moving them, taking them both out of the runoff until ody's vote put linana back in.
Linana moved her vote to ody for a weak reason (IMO) of a null vote. Mike moved his to Tejas, apparently to avoid having "the same people" in the runoff. why vote linana in the first place then? just seems odd to me.
I wish I was having some sort of "ah hah!" moment here, but instead all I have is reiteration. If Mike D is concerned about having the same people in another runoff I don't understand why he placed a vote on linana to begin with, and then the changing of votes by him and linana both, eliminating them from the runoff, looks incredibly suspicious. As far as ody's null vote, I understand where he is coming from after getting by with doing such last game. Granted, last game had a great deal of crazy shit going on after the first day anyway, so it really became a beast of its own. This game I waved it off though, because unless he had stacked on someone, I don't see where throwing a 4th person in would have made too much of a difference.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
o'neil
Showerless Shakedown Vendor Red Bull & Vodka Panda
