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He's been real quiet, and does sit well in my theory of O'Neil being mafia (they like to put a vote on eachother for distancing and incase they have to pull them from danger)
This also frees up hakuna, who I've felt somewhat comfortable with being townie, due to his quick responses when we had our disagreements last round (tho he has been buddying up to me a bit too much lately)
O'Neil is someone I'd like to see in the runoff, but more importantly, I'd rather not give her a swing vote. Sure she can still change her vote, but then so can I.
I also feel that LD fits the mould and has don't nothing to make me feel otherwise.
i wouldn't say I'm sure, I'm not sure of anyone. But he was quick with his responses when we had it out a bit last round, I am still very wary as I said, especially since he's been saying such nice things about me lately. Could be buttering me up. But right now, I've just got a much stronger vibe about o'neil, and the secondary in LD.
Man, responding quickly doesn't make someone a townie. I usually start off round 1 being one of the first people to vote regardless of my role. And if you ever played with me when I was mafia, you'd know that I don't even communicate with the other mafia. I literally play it blind and try as hard as I can to act like I'm a townie. So I don't think Hakunah responding quickly (whatever that means...he has huge gaps in time without posting) means anything at all.
Man, responding quickly doesn't make someone a townie. I usually start off round 1 being one of the first people to vote regardless of my role. And if you ever played with me when I was mafia, you'd know that I don't even communicate with the other mafia. I literally play it blind and try as hard as I can to act like I'm a townie. So I don't think Hakunah responding quickly (whatever that means...he has huge gaps in time without posting) means anything at all.
. I know, and I agree it doesn't make him a townie, but in the 5 or 6 posts back and forth, he didn't seem to scramble or shift. I've been burnt by him before, so I'm aware it's not wise, but for now, for the sake of my primary concerns, leaving him with an open vote in the runoff is a better option.
I mean, its one thing to not be suspicious of someone. It's another thing to change your vote to specifically give that player a stronger position with their vote. Just sounds kinda weird for someone who claims to be a townie not knowing other people's roles.
Man I overslept this morning and now when I come in here I'm the last to vote. If I'm counting correctly it looks like we have a current runoff of boner, hakunah and pfunk. I think that's probably a good starting point. So at this point I can either stack (which I don't want to, since I think a runoff would be helpful), vote Ella to create a 4-way runoff (which as I said before I've seen 3 vs. 4-person runoffs debated in previous games, still not sure which is better), vote for myself to create a 4-way, or vote for someone who doesn't have any votes (which would be pointless right now unless someone else switches).
I don't have any reason to be suspicious of Ella, although hakunah mentioned suspicions he had day one he never explained them.
So, purely because he's been so quiet (I know he said he's been busy but mafia have used the busy/out of town excuse to stay quiet in prior games): o'neil > LD
everything about this post screams "I'm playing as cautiously as possible".
First, justifying why you're the last to vote. This didn't need to be brought up unless you were worried it would look suspicious. If you're a townie with nothing to hide, and someone calls you out for being the last to vote (when there is over 24 hours left in the round). Then you have ample gime to explain how it happened that you posted Friday then finally voted Sunday morning. Do people forget you can switch your vote or something?
no, see bolded part of my post above- I just hate being the last one to vote, even if it's during initial voting. I always err on the side of explaining things even if unnecessary, and apparently even to my detriment. I just play very out in the open...
Second, you talk about not wanting to stack it a 4 person runoff. It's day 2, a 4 person runoff leaves 1 person with the swing vote. And then of course. People can change up their votes. When I see posts about "not wanting to stack" or "not sure which run off is better". It really reads like you're trying to stay even keel too much. For me, when I'm voting and thinking about who I want in a run off, I'm also very aware of who the swing votes will be, so each situation is different.
what I said was I didn't want to stack (thus leaving one person with more votes and not having a runoff) and that I wasn't sure if 3 or 4-person runoff was better (that's never been answered for me, just thinking out loud). those are two different things. I never said "I don't want to stack it to a 4 person runoff."
Last, you vote for someone with no votes, clearly trying not to ruffle any feathers, playing it safe, and hoping we just breeze into the runoff as is.
I explained my vote- it wasn't to avoid ruffling feathers, I'm always ok with doing that. I honestly can't get any kind of read on LD, he's usually vocal but has been quiet this game so I wanted to hear from him.
Hakuna also mentioned your use of "if I was mafia, why would I". This is a terrible way to raise suspicion on ones self. There's always a way to twist the argument against you, no matter what it is.
I don't really understand what you're saying. as far as I am concerned, he was arguing that I am mafia based on the surfbum whack, so I was just pointing out the flaw in that logic..
I just don't like the way you're playing o'neil...
as I have said previously, I don't like the way you're playing either so I can respect that. I am playing the way I always do- trying to generate helpful discussion and get people talking, so that hopefully the mafia members are exposed. the difference is, I am trying to keep discussion relevant and on topic, while I feel like you wandered way off course day one. given, there were weird circumstances but still. agree to disagree about relative playing styles I guess.
I have more to post later but just wanted to respond to this post.
I mean, its one thing to not be suspicious of someone. It's another thing to change your vote to specifically give that player a stronger position with their vote. Just sounds kinda weird for someone who claims to be a townie not knowing other people's roles.
This is less giving hakuna that role, and more taking it from o'neil.
What's weird about being less suspicious of one player than the other?
everything about this post screams "I'm playing as cautiously as possible".
First, justifying why you're the last to vote. This didn't need to be brought up unless you were worried it would look suspicious. If you're a townie with nothing to hide, and someone calls you out for being the last to vote (when there is over 24 hours left in the round). Then you have ample gime to explain how it happened that you posted Friday then finally voted Sunday morning. Do people forget you can switch your vote or something?
no, see bolded part of my post above- I just hate being the last one to vote, even if it's during initial voting. I always err on the side of explaining things even if unnecessary, and apparently even to my detriment. I just play very out in the open...
Second, you talk about not wanting to stack it a 4 person runoff. It's day 2, a 4 person runoff leaves 1 person with the swing vote. And then of course. People can change up their votes. When I see posts about "not wanting to stack" or "not sure which run off is better". It really reads like you're trying to stay even keel too much. For me, when I'm voting and thinking about who I want in a run off, I'm also very aware of who the swing votes will be, so each situation is different.
what I said was I didn't want to stack (thus leaving one person with more votes and not having a runoff) and that I wasn't sure if 3 or 4-person runoff was better (that's never been answered for me, just thinking out loud). those are two different things. I never said "I don't want to stack it to a 4 person runoff."
Last, you vote for someone with no votes, clearly trying not to ruffle any feathers, playing it safe, and hoping we just breeze into the runoff as is.
I explained my vote- it wasn't to avoid ruffling feathers, I'm always ok with doing that. I honestly can't get any kind of read on LD, he's usually vocal but has been quiet this game so I wanted to hear from him.
Hakuna also mentioned your use of "if I was mafia, why would I". This is a terrible way to raise suspicion on ones self. There's always a way to twist the argument against you, no matter what it is.
I don't really understand what you're saying. as far as I am concerned, he was arguing that I am mafia based on the surfbum whack, so I was just pointing out the flaw in that logic..
I just don't like the way you're playing o'neil...
as I have said previously, I don't like the way you're playing either so I can respect that. I am playing the way I always do- trying to generate helpful discussion and get people talking, so that hopefully the mafia members are exposed. the difference is, I am trying to keep discussion relevant and on topic, while I feel like you wandered way off course day one. given, there were weird circumstances but still. agree to disagree about relative playing styles I guess.
I have more to post later but just wanted to respond to this post.
. First part, fair enough
Second part, not wanting to put someone up to 3 votes is still playing overly cautious. There's lots of time in the round left, things change up, I read it as you implying you had the final say, but without saying it.
Third part, LD is, and has always been a loose cannon. I've not seen him play the same way twice, and that's why he's hard to read. I was down to just him and Viking in a game, and I was so sure he was mafia, I voted for him, I lost. That said, I agree that his lack of Ostia g is enough to warrant a vote.
Hakuna was getting at, the most tired agrimony in the history of this game is " if I were mafia, why would I". It hold no merit and adds nothing to your defence, because if you were mafia, you would be lying. Lying about everything.
And finally, that comment was not meant out of malice or anger. It was part playful, parts telling you to shove it up your ass if you don't like how I'm playing. I have no problem with how you've been playing. But you say you are helping discussion, yet your ammo for all I've seen has been trying to poke holes in my reasoning, and discrediting me by saying I'm distracting and offer nothing of substance. I'm putting more effort into this game than anyone else up to this point. I'm forcing discussion one way or the other. For you to sit there and tell me I've done nothing for the town is a pretty big slap in the face.
You're so suspicious of o'neil and don't want her to have a swing vote that you remove her from the runoff? I don't get it.
im hoping one of those single votes move over to her. If I left my vote on her, she has a swing vote in the runoff, that cancels out a vote against her, I'm not banking on too many vote changes the way this game is going, so I'd rather take her influence away this round and try again.
Besides, there good reason to have LD in the runoff
As good as being the person who was being voted for by the townie that got whacked? Just playing devil's advocate here.
It just makes absolutely zero sense to pretend like you're so suspicious of o'neil and then REMOVE her from the runoff. It makes no sense at all. Especially now that you at one point had 2 votes on your this round and now have 0. I'm starting to reconsider how I feel about you being a townie.
You're so suspicious of o'neil and don't want her to have a swing vote that you remove her from the runoff? I don't get it.
im hoping one of those single votes move over to her. If I left my vote on her, she has a swing vote in the runoff, that cancels out a vote against her, I'm not banking on too many vote changes the way this game is going, so I'd rather take her influence away this round and try again.
Besides, there good reason to have LD in the runoff
Is that why you removed her from the runoff and decided to vote for the same person as her?
As good as being the person who was being voted for by the townie that got whacked? Just playing devil's advocate here.
It just makes absolutely zero sense to pretend like you're so suspicious of o'neil and then REMOVE her from the runoff. It makes no sense at all. Especially now that you at one point had 2 votes on your this round and now have 0. I'm starting to reconsider how I feel about you being a townie.
Did I not just say I'm hoping one if toes single votes moves to O'Neil? If it doesn't happen, I can always go back before the round closes, but then, I'm leaving Ella, Pfunk, and O'Neil her self to the free votes, and that gives me a bad feeling. Her solo vote at the time was a good self preservation move at the time, but now that I took that free vote from her, if she's put into the runoff, she looses that power to help save herself
as of now the players who stand out the most to me are boner/hakuna (individually, and their interactions are a little off to me) and LD for not posting even after being voted for and called out for being quiet...
here are some of the boner/hakuna posts that have gotten my attention:
this doesn't make any sense to me... first you post and say you have "minor suspicions" then you say you didn't mean "in a suspicions sense"... are you suspicious of ella, or of why jimmy voted for her? or did I read something wrong?
Ya basically 2 trains of thought. First post I meant I had some minor suspicions of Ella 2nd post(or 3rd I guess) I meant the way I asked might have felt I was suspicious of jimmy, which I wasn't and think I clarified.
Also, I almost liked the post too. The post was in jest and therefor I look at it "out of the game", sort of like Phi's early post.
still never explained those "suspicions" of Ella, and oddly enough they were completely gone by day 2?
I'm saying this now in case I get whacked. I think the surf bum votes are interesting. Boner and O'neil are basically at the top of my suspicions list and this little spat could be orchestrated.
or calling out boner could be orchestrated and early distancing between the two of you
I'm saying this now in case I get whacked. I think the surf bum votes are interesting. Boner and O'neil are basically at the top of my suspicions list and this little spat could be orchestrated.
very interesting!
With that, I'm going with Hakuna, Surfbumdj and o'Neil on the top of my list.
Less so on hakuna. Maybe jimmy instead.
with what? the surfbum votes? you're agreeing with the person who just said you're on his suspicions list without actually addressing the content of the post.
With that, I'm going with Hakuna, Surfbumdj and o'Neil on the top of my list.
Less so on hakuna. Maybe jimmy instead.
Honestly the way your playing feels very townie, but the same reason you are suspicious of those going for no runoff, I'm just suspicious of how hard you pushed to keep him around. I think mafia are in a position this game where they can do some crazy play and get away with it. Ex. Sticking up for roo and having your fellow mafia attack it, fake arguments, that kinda stuff.
boner didn't ask for an explanation but you provide one, while changing position from boner being at the "top of [your] list" to thinking maybe boner is townie?
Very, very interesting whack. Surf bum voted o'neil and cast suspicion of pfunk. O'neil voted for surfbum. Mike D voted for pfunk and surfbum. Boner also voted for surf bum and was quick to suggest pfunk already.
I think the o'neil vote was more likely what got him whacked. If it was his pfunk suspicion, MikeD was probably just as good of a whack as Mike voted for him as well and is always in the day 1 whack conversation(when ever I am mafia anyways) as he is a strong player. The argument against that is Mike probably wouldn't tip his given name like that if he was inspector and surfbum brought it up after the kill but before the whack, thinking he very well could be the whack. I do think surfbum was targeted round 1 and probably was inspector. I think the pfunk suspicion was enough to send us down the wrong path. Either that or the mafia is totally playing me based on my suspicions, and me alone, and trying to send me down the wrong rabbit hole, really don't think that is the case and if it is the well done.
Hakuna >> O'neil
I think the runoff should be atleast 2 of Mike, O'neil, and Boner. I'm least suspicious of Boner and think he may just be caught in the mix but I'm mot sure. I think it's fine if we want to thrown pfunk in the mix too, just cause I think the votes would be pretty telling.
again, saying you're suspicious of boner but giving him an out, could easily be distancing
Also noticing, pfunks vote seems useless to me right now. Ella is probably the last person I would vote for right now, and in turn prob the person you could vote for with the hope to not raise any suspicions. I'm assuming pfunk by being under a cloud of suspicion is trying to not ruffle any feathers and I'm trying to decide for which reason.
why did Ella go from getting your vote on day one due to those vague suspicions to being the "last person [you] would vote for?" hmm. makes me wonder about Ella too although so far to me she has read as townie.
He's been real quiet, and does sit well in my theory of O'Neil being mafia (they like to put a vote on eachother for distancing and incase they have to pull them from danger)
This also frees up hakuna, who I've felt somewhat comfortable with being townie, due to his quick responses when we had our disagreements last round (tho he has been buddying up to me a bit too much lately)
painting hakuna as townie for a weak reason (IMO)...
Man, responding quickly doesn't make someone a townie. I usually start off round 1 being one of the first people to vote regardless of my role. And if you ever played with me when I was mafia, you'd know that I don't even communicate with the other mafia. I literally play it blind and try as hard as I can to act like I'm a townie. So I don't think Hakunah responding quickly (whatever that means...he has huge gaps in time without posting) means anything at all.
. I know, and I agree it doesn't make him a townie, but in the 5 or 6 posts back and forth, he didn't seem to scramble or shift. I've been burnt by him before, so I'm aware it's not wise, but for now, for the sake of my primary concerns, leaving him with an open vote in the runoff is a better option.
I just can't figure it out but there is something weird in the way you two have pointed fingers at each other then been almost overly conciliatory and pegging each other as likely townies. hell, everyone is mafia to me until they're either whacked or the game is over. I may think a certain player is more likely to be townie than mafia but I don't see why you both need to point out you think the other is a townie unless there's an angle... maybe I'm over-analyzing but it just raises my hackles.
Why is it odd that minor suspicion based on basically a single post being gone by day 2 odd? You realize a lot happened in between that point, like a whack. I have a feeling this is going to be a short game.....
im hoping one of those single votes move over to her. If I left my vote on her, she has a swing vote in the runoff, that cancels out a vote against her, I'm not banking on too many vote changes the way this game is going, so I'd rather take her influence away this round and try again.
Besides, there good reason to have LD in the runoff
Is that why you removed her from the runoff and decided to vote for the same person as her?
Jimmy >> Boner
You really don't see what I'm getting at here do you. Either that or you're straight up ignoring it for some reason
I'm not opposed to LD being in the runoff since it seems like he's just trying to get by under the radar.
I've seen this argument made a few times now by several people.
I've legit been busy and not had too much online access in the past week or so. I've read bits and pieces of the game, and right now just catching up for all the posting this weekend. I've been back and forth between Connecticut and Rhode Island since Thursday.
There's a few people I'm suspicious of right now, but for now I'm sitting on Hakuna. When I got more time, hopefully tomorrow, I will explain myself more. I know that doesn't ease anyone's suspicions - but what would?
You are making no sense, so I'm ignoring you. You're putting the cart before the horse.
Jimmy, if I left my vote on O'Neil,there is a very fucking small chance she gets voted out when she has a swing vote. Plain and simple. Explain in what way I am wrong here. What about this makes no sense
While in making no sense, let's talk about something that hasn't been touched on since this round opened.
Why did Surfbum get whacked??
I'm of the the mind that mafia will always take a shot at the inspector. Why would surf bum seemed inspector is to mafia? Maybe he voted for one of them? Maybe right off the hop? I don't know. I'm not making any sense.
While in making no sense, let's talk about something that hasn't been touched on since this round opened.
Why did Surfbum get whacked??
I'm of the the mind that mafia will always take a shot at the inspector. Why would surf bum seemed inspector is to mafia? Maybe he voted for one of them? Maybe right off the hop? I don't know. I'm not making any sense.
I completely agree. Which is why I put my vote on pfunk. I remember the last game I was mafia, someone specifically called out one of our mafia members, we debated if whacking them would seem to obvious and draw to much attention. In the end, we were able to get away with it because the whack seemed "too obvious". The mafia has such a advantage because they know exactly whats going on, as the town is pretty much walking in the dark.
I tend to think that surfbum got to close so he was whacked. I just hope that if roonectar was townie he wasn't our inspector.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
I'm also thinking Boner is playing like me this game. I'm no longer the unpredictable one.
If Boner's a townie in this game, he's being batshit fucking crazy about it and its really hurting the town here. I'd be shocked if he survives the night.
While in making no sense, let's talk about something that hasn't been touched on since this round opened.
Why did Surfbum get whacked??
I'm of the the mind that mafia will always take a shot at the inspector. Why would surf bum seemed inspector is to mafia? Maybe he voted for one of them? Maybe right off the hop? I don't know. I'm not making any sense.
I completely agree. Which is why I put my vote on pfunk. I remember the last game I was mafia, someone specifically called out one of our mafia members, we debated if whacking them would seem to obvious and draw to much attention. In the end, we were able to get away with it because the whack seemed "too obvious". The mafia has such a advantage because they know exactly whats going on, as the town is pretty much walking in the dark.
I tend to think that surfbum got to close so he was whacked. I just hope that if roonectar was townie he wasn't our inspector.
the whack was Viking and I believe he mentioned mike D and you at some point. I remember cuz I called the 2 of you out shortly after the whack, but went another way After the bogart thing. Fucks played me good that game, but I was getting there.
I'm also thinking Boner is playing like me this game. I'm no longer the unpredictable one.
If Boner's a townie in this game, he's being batshit fucking crazy about it and its really hurting the town here. I'd be shocked if he survives the night.
i guess that's about as close to a compliment as I'm gonna get from you eh?
Last round it might have hurt the town, but that was pretty much out of my control. I wouldn't have had to fight so hard if I knew how the rules were being enforced beforehand. But this round? I've offered up my theories and defended myself when called to question.
You know you're excuses arnt going to hold any weight right? First it was Tuesday and Wednesday night you had class, now your running all over and no internet access. Even if it's true, it's what anyone would say if they were just trying to coast.
You are making no sense, so I'm ignoring you. You're putting the cart before the horse.
Jimmy, if I left my vote on O'Neil,there is a very fucking small chance she gets voted out when she has a swing vote. Plain and simple. Explain in what way I am wrong here. What about this makes no sense
