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I cannot understand why anyone would risk trying to bring anything in?
If no one were to bring anything in, we would all be at the mercy of the beer and alcohol industry.
Which is legal in the state of Tennessee. Whether you agree or disagree with current laws, they are what they are. So until they change nobody should be surprised or too upset if they get busted, we all know the risk. I think I should be able to drive faster than 65 on the highway, a lot of times I do. But if I know full well I run the risk of getting a ticket.
If no one were to bring anything in, we would all be at the mercy of the beer and alcohol industry.
Which is legal in the state of Tennessee. Whether you agree or disagree with current laws, they are what they are. So until they change nobody should be surprised or too upset if they get busted, we all know the risk. I think I should be able to drive faster than 65 on the highway, a lot of times I do. But if I know full well I run the risk of getting a ticket.
But do you understand why people bring drugs to bonnaroo now????? (Because if noone brought any drugs to bonnaroo, there wouldn't be any drugs at bonnaroo) (That was the point of his post)
Which is legal in the state of Tennessee. Whether you agree or disagree with current laws, they are what they are. So until they change nobody should be surprised or too upset if they get busted, we all know the risk. I think I should be able to drive faster than 65 on the highway, a lot of times I do. But if I know full well I run the risk of getting a ticket.
But do you understand why people bring drugs to bonnaroo now????? (Because if noone brought any drugs to bonnaroo, there wouldn't be any drugs at bonnaroo) (That was the point of his post)
Post by downonthefarm on Jul 16, 2014 9:09:23 GMT -5
Most users understand the risk involved. Users early on learn to balance the risk reward in their own minds. If the feeling or profit weren't worth the risk they wouldn't use. I am glad to see this is not so much a thread for complaining as it is a thread to answer curiosity.
I think it is funny that the cops have to know that the fines for the large amounts are going to be financed by the same distribution they are trying to curtail with the fine. The guy moving a QP through the bonnaroo tollbooth isn't going to pay the $3000+ fine from his day job, I wouldn't think. He will likely move more product than normal, looking for additional revenue streams. Either by encouraging more use by existing customers, enticing competitors customers, or developing new customers. I know this is a fact of life for most distributors, however I know many who make peace with a regular customer base and are content with a certain standard of living, ironic that the WOD takes a QP off the street only to put another LB back into circulation.
But isn't that what the WOD was meant to do all along.
This is all very unfortunate. Just another form of legalized extortion on the part of the Manchester PD, enabled by boneheaded state and federal lawmakers.
Hopefully TN will follow the way of CO at some point, but that might take awhile.
Maybe because I do not do any of this stuff is why I do not understand. Maybe you were lulled into a false sense of security by the past years? ...but for the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would risk trying to bring anything in?
Like others have said, it depends on the person's motivations. If someone is bringing in a large quantity with the intent to sell, their motivation is obviously profit. In their case, getting busted is just the price of doing business. Having said that, there is a large captive audience, so the reward outweighs the risk for some.
However, if someone is bringing in something for personal use, it's a very different set of motivations. First and foremost, you don't have to worry about the quality and/or source of your preferred substance. Buying from some of the people selling inside can be a little sketchy. Too many times fake or low quality things are sold. Second is you're not subject to festival pricing. Just like everything else at a festival, party favors tend to be more expensive when bought there.
There definitely are reasons to bring in small personal amounts, it's just a shame when someone doing so gets popped with a $1000+ fine. Hopefully the laws slowly begin to change.
Maybe because I do not do any of this stuff is why I do not understand. Maybe you were lulled into a false sense of security by the past years? ...but for the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would risk trying to bring anything in?
Like others have said, it depends on the person's motivations. If someone is bringing in a large quantity with the intent to sell, their motivation is obviously profit. In their case, getting busted is just the price of doing business. Having said that, there is a large captive audience, so the reward outweighs the risk for some.
However, if someone is bringing in something for personal use, it's a very different set of motivations. First and foremost, you don't have to worry about the quality and/or source of your preferred substance. Buying from some of the people selling inside can be a little sketchy. Too many times fake or low quality things are sold. Second is you're not subject to festival pricing. Just like everything else at a festival, party favors tend to be more expensive when bought there.
There definitely are reasons to bring in small personal amounts, it's just a shame when someone doing so gets popped with a $1000+ fine. Hopefully the laws slowly begin to change.
It is all silly. Got pulled over on the way in had enough alcohol to kill 5 grown men. They did not care. Asked me if I had MJ.. So silly.
Alcohol v MJ
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However, if someone is bringing in something for personal use, it's a very different set of motivations. First and foremost, you don't have to worry about the quality and/or source of your preferred substance. Buying from some of the people selling inside can be a little sketchy. Too many times fake or low quality things are sold. Second is you're not subject to festival pricing. Just like everything else at a festival, party favors tend to be more expensive when bought there.
There definitely are reasons to bring in small personal amounts, it's just a shame when someone doing so gets popped with a $1000+ fine. Hopefully the laws slowly begin to change.
I was having this conversation with my parents a few weeks ago, after they brought up their concern over recent festival deaths due to weird drugs. I said it would be much safer if people were able to bring in their own "supplies". Instead most of these people are buying god-knows-what from god-knows-who, and it doesn't always end well. It's a shame.
However, if someone is bringing in something for personal use, it's a very different set of motivations. First and foremost, you don't have to worry about the quality and/or source of your preferred substance. Buying from some of the people selling inside can be a little sketchy. Too many times fake or low quality things are sold. Second is you're not subject to festival pricing. Just like everything else at a festival, party favors tend to be more expensive when bought there.
There definitely are reasons to bring in small personal amounts, it's just a shame when someone doing so gets popped with a $1000+ fine. Hopefully the laws slowly begin to change.
I was having this conversation with my parents a few weeks ago, after they brought up their concern over recent festival deaths due to weird drugs. I said it would be much safer if people were able to bring in their own "supplies". Instead most of these people are buying god-knows-what from god-knows-who, and it doesn't always end well. It's a shame.
The worst is 0 tolerance places (like from what ive herd coming from Hudson) that take peoples test kits. What goes through someones mind that they would take a potential life saving device from people entering their grounds?
Holy fucking wow to the amounts of the fines. I will let my friend know that he really got off easy with less than a grand. His intent was not to have to try and buy corn while on site (I know, sand to the beach) but neither of us expected him to get in more trouble than if he had just waited for the corn man to visit camp. His greatest kindness was letting the "sniffing dog" know that I was not aware he had anything on him, which was true. As far as confiscating test kits, that's about the dumbest festival move I've ever heard. I don't get down like that anymore, but I believe people who do party deserve to be safe. No matter what you think of folks who ingest hard substances, one who is willing to question and test their goods before consumption deserves that chance. Most folks on this board have seen enough tragedy at Roo, and none of us want to see anyone else die on the Farm; we all deeply love the Farm and what it means to see our Roo families each summer.
Hmmm, didn't think of that...I assume you are making a guess, Jimmy. If that is in fact the case, I do not feel bad for anybody that gets caught. Nor do I wish they get caught. To me that is the cost of doing business. The rewards outweigh the risk? I suppose.
If you bring stuff to sell, you should know what you were getting yourself into. But as far as personal amounts.. I guess you have to decide if you're more worried about buying something bad from a stranger, or more worried about getting caught coming in. If alcohol is your.. intoxicant of choice, then things are simple. If you prefer something else, there is no guarantee you'll find what you are looking for, or what you find is what they say it is and not something that'll make you sick or just have a bad time.
However, if someone is bringing in something for personal use, it's a very different set of motivations. First and foremost, you don't have to worry about the quality and/or source of your preferred substance. Buying from some of the people selling inside can be a little sketchy. Too many times fake or low quality things are sold. Second is you're not subject to festival pricing. Just like everything else at a festival, party favors tend to be more expensive when bought there.
There definitely are reasons to bring in small personal amounts, it's just a shame when someone doing so gets popped with a $1000+ fine. Hopefully the laws slowly begin to change.
I was having this conversation with my parents a few weeks ago, after they brought up their concern over recent festival deaths due to weird drugs. I said it would be much safer if people were able to bring in their own "supplies". Instead most of these people are buying god-knows-what from god-knows-who, and it doesn't always end well. It's a shame.
Good time to advocate for test kits again (especially considering those posts above mine about Hudson Project confiscating them... wtf?). Literally one of the first things we are taught as kids is to not put anything in your mouth if you don't know what it is. Those rules don't change at puberty.
Post by pressline47 on Jul 17, 2014 20:57:55 GMT -5
I brought a marquis test with to help out people camped near me. I was kinda shocked at how few people brought or were aware of them. Also the complete lack of sense people had when purchasing, some girls who I tested for who ended up buying capsules full of flour for example. The guy told them each one had a .5, they didn't find it suspicious that someone tried to sell them pills that, if they were as advertised, would have sent them to the med tent?
FYI, even if you don't have a kit before you buy you should ask if the person minds if you test it. If they refuse then you know not to trust them. It's not perfect, but it'll screen out some of the bull.
Hi everyone! I received a citation, and I would love to compare stories with others. I know this is an awful situation for us all so rehashing is probably the last thing you want to do, but I am curious as to how closely other situations match mine. Please email me at ninamusic131@gmail.com or message me on Facebook (Nina Ann, my pic is me dancing at Roo). Thanks, and have an awesome Friday!
Wow, pastero, that is big. I am sure that sucks. Maybe because I do not do any of this stuff is why I do not understand. Maybe you were lulled into a false sense of security by the past years? Not singling you out or trying to add insult to injury, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would risk trying to bring anything in?
Live and learn, hope you get past this with minimal disruption to your life.
Hey no its OK.. yea its a true bummer. Maybe the false sense is what ultimately got me caught as I didn't take extra precautions. Stroke of bad luck maybe? Eh.. who knows. I bring my own as I have quality sources and really just don't like going down the road of dealing with some young kids selling bunk cut overpriced things. I consider myself part of the safe recreational drug dabblers and want to insure I don't harm myself (at least lethally). So I took a mighty risk this year and it backfired. Live and learn. Never had any intent on selling anything.
This is just the way the market works... supply and demand with the police getting their cut. They obviously do not have any moral dilemma with regard to drug use, they are just in a position to use law as leverage to make cash to keep the cycle going.
I hope they enjoy their new Rzrs/Quads, and BBQs (with the intoxicant alcohol presumably being used) and promote their department to the the public as a job well done. As ridiculous as that is...
Oh and about the test kits, the chief (I ended up with about 8 cops in my RV) found my Marquis test kit and asked what it was.. He said "oh well thats good, a lot better better than some of these dumbasses out here".
Post by billybaroo on Jul 18, 2014 10:02:26 GMT -5
Every year I put all my drugs in one clearly labeled bag. Wrap the bag in fireworks. Put the fireworks in a glass container. Hide the glass container in a nitrous tank. Then when you get in line to get in the fest, get out of the car, and meet your neighbors. When they are distracted, cover their rear bumper in beef jerky and peanut butter. The dogs go after the car in front and behind you. So simple.
Post by downonthefarm on Jul 18, 2014 17:23:23 GMT -5
A lot of times people get arrested over this kind of thing. Imagine getting put in jail on Wednesday night or Thursday morning instead of going to bonnaroo. Then you have to find someone who will bail you out from however far away Tennessee is from the people who love you enough to bail you out.
These fines aren't so bad when compared to the alternative of missing roo in a Manchester Tennessee or coffee country jail cell. That would really suck. Then you would still have to pay the fine or do the time.
However, if someone is bringing in something for personal use, it's a very different set of motivations. First and foremost, you don't have to worry about the quality and/or source of your preferred substance. Buying from some of the people selling inside can be a little sketchy. Too many times fake or low quality things are sold. Second is you're not subject to festival pricing. Just like everything else at a festival, party favors tend to be more expensive when bought there.
There definitely are reasons to bring in small personal amounts, it's just a shame when someone doing so gets popped with a $1000+ fine. Hopefully the laws slowly begin to change.
I was having this conversation with my parents a few weeks ago, after they brought up their concern over recent festival deaths due to weird drugs. I said it would be much safer if people were able to bring in their own "supplies". Instead most of these people are buying god-knows-what from god-knows-who, and it doesn't always end well. It's a shame.
Great point. I've learned to bring TONS of liquor as a bargaining chip for the green. Also, helps making neighbours.
Still, weed vs booze...so much safer and healthier smoking considering temperature, the laid back attitude of Roo and the vast attitudes of a common person drinking whiskey, vodka, gin etc etc
I actually feel sorry for cops. Think about it. Would you rather let a ton of weed or liquor go thru in a car going to a music fest?
I guess to put it another way...when was the last time u saw someone high as a cloud get upset vs a drunk person?
I was having this conversation with my parents a few weeks ago, after they brought up their concern over recent festival deaths due to weird drugs. I said it would be much safer if people were able to bring in their own "supplies". Instead most of these people are buying god-knows-what from god-knows-who, and it doesn't always end well. It's a shame.
Great point. I've learned to bring TONS of liquor as a bargaining chip for the green. Also, helps making neighbours.
Still, weed vs booze...so much safer and healthier smoking considering temperature, the laid back attitude of Roo and the vast attitudes of a common person drinking whiskey, vodka, gin etc etc
I actually feel sorry for cops. Think about it. Would you rather let a ton of weed or liquor go thru in a car going to a music fest?
I guess to put it another way...when was the last time u saw someone high as a cloud get upset vs a drunk person?
Great point. I've learned to bring TONS of liquor as a bargaining chip for the green. Also, helps making neighbours.
Still, weed vs booze...so much safer and healthier smoking considering temperature, the laid back attitude of Roo and the vast attitudes of a common person drinking whiskey, vodka, gin etc etc
I actually feel sorry for cops. Think about it. Would you rather let a ton of weed or liquor go thru in a car going to a music fest?
I guess to put it another way...when was the last time u saw someone high as a cloud get upset vs a drunk person?
Have you ever seen a high person run out of food?
I get much hungrier when I'm drunk, personally. I've never really understood this stereotype.
The number of people who will just put some arbitrary amount of unknown white-to-brownish powder or rock-like substance into their body is absolutely astounding. If a stranger came up to you with a bag of God-knows-what and said "here, take this", you'd probably say no thank you and walk away. But if you approach him and offer to pay for the God-knows-what, you'll happily down it? I don't get it.
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The number of people who will just put some arbitrary amount of unknown white-to-brownish powder or rock-like substance into their body is absolutely astounding. If a stranger came up to you with a bag of Gd-knows-what and said "here, take this", you'd probably say no thank you and walk away. But if you approach him and offer to pay for the God-knows-what, you'll happily down it? I don't get it.
I'm pretty sure there's a Jesus thread for you to post in.
The number of people who will just put some arbitrary amount of unknown white-to-brownish powder or rock-like substance into their body is absolutely astounding. If a stranger came up to you with a bag of Gd-knows-what and said "here, take this", you'd probably say no thank you and walk away. But if you approach him and offer to pay for the God-knows-what, you'll happily down it? I don't get it.
You should eat the "gd-knows-what" before you criticize it.
The number of people who will just put some arbitrary amount of unknown white-to-brownish powder or rock-like substance into their body is absolutely astounding. If a stranger came up to you with a bag of Gd-knows-what and said "here, take this", you'd probably say no thank you and walk away. But if you approach him and offer to pay for the God-knows-what, you'll happily down it? I don't get it.
You should eat the "gd-knows-what" before you criticize it.
Some festivals in Europe have drug testing centers so people can be sure they're not taking unknown chemicals.
And yet some Americans blame the festival injuries/deaths on the drugs instead of the fact that people are ingesting mysterious dangerous substances because they have no access to pure stuff. I'm not saying that people wouldn't overdo things if drugs were legal (people die from alcohol all the time) but there would be far less people getting hurt if people knew what they were actually taking. I don't do white powders/crystals/flakes/etc. but I just wish they would make them legal so people could be safer.
Some festivals in Europe have drug testing centers so people can be sure they're not taking unknown chemicals.
And yet some Americans blame the festival injuries/deaths on the drugs instead of the fact that people are ingesting mysterious dangerous substances because they have no access to pure stuff. I'm not saying that people wouldn't overdo things if drugs were legal (people die from alcohol all the time) but there would be far less people getting hurt if people knew what they were actually taking. I don't do white powders/crystals/flakes/etc. but I just wish they would make them legal so people could be safer.
I think it is funny that the cops have to know that the fines for the large amounts are going to be financed by the same distribution they are trying to curtail with the fine. The guy moving a QP through the bonnaroo tollbooth isn't going to pay the $3000+ fine from his day job, I wouldn't think. He will likely move more product than normal, looking for additional revenue streams. Either by encouraging more use by existing customers, enticing competitors customers, or developing new customers.
Shit man! From a consumer standpoint this could be a good thing. Suppliers need to make up revenue to cover the cost of business losses. I'm no business major but it seems the best way to do that would be to undercut your competition and sell your product at a lower cost and profit margin but move more of it. Better prices better business. WOD? Will shit! How ironic that it could bring DOWN the cost of obtaining these things.
