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Maybe my opinion will change, but after several listens through...this album's just not very good. There are some great tracks, and good moments, but overall it's pretty eh.
Last Edit: Feb 15, 2016 18:50:58 GMT -5 by Jaz - Back to Top
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Post by bugs bunny funny moments on Feb 15, 2016 18:58:38 GMT -5
What Kanye doesn't realize is that not everyone who is on Tidal right now will not stay on forever. Keeping it as an exclusive for a week or two is a good idea but forever with probably no physical release is awful
What Kanye doesn't realize is that not everyone who is on Tidal right now will not stay on forever. Keeping it as an exclusive for a week or two is a good idea but forever with probably no physical release is awful
I paid for this album when I bought my ticket to the theater showing. I'm hoping he'll still honor those who made the same purchase; I'm not paying for Tidal for Yeezy.
Post by bansheebeat on Feb 15, 2016 20:52:48 GMT -5
People seem to be totally clueless regarding finances.
HAVING 53 million in debt is NOT the same as being 53 million in debt.
Also there is literally a 0% chance this album doesn't come out via other mediums (iTunes, Spotify, physical copies, whatever). If this album only ever "officially" exists on Tidal I will eat dog poop.
And I hope we hear at least a few of those unreleased Thug and Kendrick tracks.
Post by bansheebeat on Feb 15, 2016 20:56:55 GMT -5
p.s. the album is still incredible 10 listens later and I'm starting to see a lot of the cohesiveness with the themes. I just wish the tracks were mixed/transitioned to flow a bit more smoothly.
I just want to be able to buy a physical copy. Like having it exclusive on Tidal digitally is fine (even though I imagine you can just pirate it?) but I just want the CD with some album artwork n what not. Also, still haven't gotten the download emailed to me that I was supposed to get when I went to the live streaming event. I imagine maybe it's because he's still working on it? I just hope I can get it before my free trial of Tidal runs out.
On another note I'm kinda ready for Kanye to chill out with the twitter rants. Some of it is getting kind of cringe worthy. It's actually getting to be a distraction from how awesome his album is and other things we should be happy about.
I think this album is fucking amazing. I know I'm a huge Kanye fan but I was really hard on Yeezus when I first heard it, and I did not like facts at all when I first heard it. I don't like everything Kanye does just because he does it but I think this album is great. I enjoy it from beginning to end. It's almost like I can't listen to individual tracks because I'm missing part of the story If I do. He tweeted this is an album about life. It almost seemed like through the production he made you feel every emotion of life all in one album. The vibe of the album totally changes right when the song waves hits right in the middle which is totally fitting I think. A new wave just came on. Up and down throughout the whole thing. I usually don't like albums that much on first listen. But this one is up with MBDTF for me. And I NEVER thought I would say that. 9.5/10 for me.
The problem I have with him saying it will only be on Tidal is I understand that music is transforming into where a lot of it is digital, but it's not too that point yet. A lot of people drive cars with CD players in them still, they don't have cars that have bluetooth, hell I was driving an 06 and it didn't even have an AUX jack. So there are fans out there who really want or need the physical copies. He went on a rant in his interview about Exclusivity and it being a problem and now he's making this exclusive. Like I said I don't agree with everything he does. I also don't believe him.
Post by Whereispassionpit on Feb 16, 2016 12:30:51 GMT -5
Apparently Kanye tweeted this today and quickly deleted it. Would not be surprised at all if all of these "crazy rants" are pretty calculated and there's a team of people behind him planning them to create hype/controversy. Or it could just be he writes out his whole rants to himself and the copy/pastes them to meet the character limit and he messed this one up.
Kendrick is what Kanye would have been if the Kardashians didn't get him.#GRAMMYs #KingKendrick
— Trevor Noah (@trevornoah) February 16, 2016
the most recycled joke on the internet right now
Revisionist history is weird considering Kanye had already made MBDTF and I think Watch the Throne before he and Kim got together. My (least) favorite Kanye meme has to be the spam facebook messages like "Kanye is threatening to leave the country over racism/insults/whatever, I say good riddance." So brave.
Anyway, after like 6+ listens I still really enjoy Pablo. The only stretch that doesn't work for me is Lowlights, Highlights, Freestyle, I Love Kanye. Even that run has good moments but that 10 minute stretch is definitely the weakest.
First four tracks are awesome. Feedback and Waves are growing on me. FML/Real Friends are excellent. Wolves would be a lot better if he didn't repeat the corny niggas/bitches lines 3x each. I know that song can be more epic than it is so hope he comes through on the fix.
I already deleted the Silver Surfer Intermission, no need for that. And I switched out the album 30 hours for the Soundcloud 30 hours, which really helped my feelings on the back half. NMPILA and Fade are both excellent. Facts I can't decide on. Its kinda fun but damn those lyrics are bad.
Basically, there is every level of Kanye here. The beautiful, the ugly, the jaw dropping beat shifts and the cringe worthy lyrics. Songs range from A+ to D and hit almost every grade in between. It's really a tough album to quantify.
I think this is an album that fans can tailor to their own needs. I already saw a version of I Love Kanye with a soul beat behind it that sounded great and would probably blend really well with Freestyle and Waves. I totally get the need to reorder the tracklist and add or drop songs as people see fit.
If this album went something like:
Ultralight Beams Father Pts 1&2 Famous Feedback Fade I Love Kanye Waves 30 Hours (Soundcloud) NMPILA Freestyle 4 FML Real Friends Wolves (Extended Cut)
It would be immediately in Kanye's top 2-3. Just trimming the fat would do wonders. But as it stands right now, its still a beautiful mess.
Ultralight Beams Father Pts 1&2 Famous Feedback Fade I Love Kanye Waves 30 Hours (Soundcloud) NMPILA FML Real Friends Wolves (Extended Cut)
It would be immediately in Kanye's top 2-3. Just trimming the fat would do wonders. But as it stands right now, its still a beautiful mess.
Totally agree with this tracklist, although I would swap Freestyle 4 for I Love Kanye.
Father Stretch My Hands shouldnt have been cut into two separate tracks. Facts is still terrible, and for the life of me I cant find anything interesting about Low Lights/Highlights.
I Love Kanye was really funny when I first heard it, but now it serves no purpose on the album. It should have just been a free GOOD Friday release. Also the Silver Surfer intermission is so unnecessary, especially considering the album isnt even called Waves anymore.
Ultralight Beams Father Pts 1&2 Famous Feedback Fade I Love Kanye Waves 30 Hours (Soundcloud) NMPILA FML Real Friends Wolves (Extended Cut)
It would be immediately in Kanye's top 2-3. Just trimming the fat would do wonders. But as it stands right now, its still a beautiful mess.
Totally agree with this tracklist, although I would swap Freestyle 4 for I Love Kanye.
Father Stretch My Hands shouldnt have been cut into two separate tracks. Facts is still terrible, and for the life of me I cant find anything interesting about Low Lights/Highlights.
I Love Kanye was really funny when I first heard it, but now it serves no purpose on the album. It should have just been a free GOOD Friday release. Also the Silver Surfer intermission is so unnecessary, especially considering the album isnt even called Waves anymore.
I went back and edited in Freestyle 4, but I think you're right. I like the I Love Kanye bit, if not for the joke, but just to lighten the mood a little in between some really serious tracks. It basically would be a pallet cleanser for me before the next real song begins.
I liked the way Dan Le Batard said it today, Kendrick is what Kanye thinks he is.
Why do they even need to be compared in this way, though?
Seriously, none of their content is remotely the same. Both are great. Both found paths to make their own.
Kanye has proven himself a genius, albeit a troubled one, 50 times over. With the Grammy's this year, Kendrick is finally on people's radar in a way he wasn't when he showed up with Imagine Dragons, so like clockwork the general public are harping on his skills that the music world has known about since at least GKMC if not earlier.
Trying to compare Kanye and Kendrick is like trying to compare Jimi Hendrix to Freddie Mercury or something like that. They're both great, they're nothing alike and what they have done and will do for music should be respected. That's like when people try to force me to choose between zeppelin, the Beatles, and Pink Floyd.
I liked the way Dan Le Batard said it today, Kendrick is what Kanye thinks he is.
Why do they even need to be compared in this way, though?
Everything is a competition. You listen to hip hop, a lot of it is just talking about how great they are, who's the greatest? A lot of people think Kanye is better. Kanye definitely thinks Kanye is better. That's what the guy quoted was saying, Kanye thinks he's so great, but Kendrick really is great and I agree with that.
Why do they even need to be compared in this way, though?
Everything is a competition. You listen to hip hop, a lot of it is just talking about how great they are, who's the greatest? A lot of people think Kanye is better. Kanye definitely thinks Kanye is better. That's what the guy quoted was saying, Kanye thinks he's so great, but Kendrick really is great and I agree with that.
You agree that Kendrick is great? Or you agree that Kendrick is greater than Kanye? Or you agree with that quote?
They don't make similar rap music. They're at different points in their respective careers. They have mutual respect for each other and even appear on a song together on the album that just came out 3 days ago. This is a completely asinine debate.
Why do they even need to be compared in this way, though?
Everything is a competition. You listen to hip hop, a lot of it is just talking about how great they are, who's the greatest? A lot of people think Kanye is better. Kanye definitely thinks Kanye is better. That's what the guy quoted was saying, Kanye thinks he's so great, but Kendrick really is great and I agree with that.
But please, tell us more about what acclaimed music critic Dan Le Batard thinks about Kanye vs Kendrick while I sit here and pretend to give a single shit.
Everything is a competition. You listen to hip hop, a lot of it is just talking about how great they are, who's the greatest? A lot of people think Kanye is better. Kanye definitely thinks Kanye is better. That's what the guy quoted was saying, Kanye thinks he's so great, but Kendrick really is great and I agree with that.
You agree that Kendrick is great? Or you agree that Kendrick is greater than Kanye? Or you agree with that quote?
They don't make similar rap music. They're at different points in their respective careers. They have mutual respect for each other and even appear on a song together on the album that just came out 3 days ago. This is a completely asinine debate.
How is it asinine for someone to say Kanye thinks he's the greatest, Kendrick really is the greatest? It's an opinion. You don't have to agree with it. I was just sharing it because I agree with it. That's kind of how this board thing works.