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1. Why jim? 2. Why jaz? 3. Why didn’t you point any suspicion in my direction early to strengthen your claim? I know voting for me out of the gate would have been dumb if I were actually mafia, but you have played enough with me to know I usually don’t jump down peoples throats at the first sign of being accused. 4. Who would you “ask about” next?
bogart > krissy
Only quoting the portion with the questions for space sake:
1. Why Jim? Because I was mafia with him in a previous game and his style seemed quite similar. I wasn't around for the game in between, and am not one to read through old games, so I don't know his townie style. I'm gathering, from other comments regarding Jim, that he's a suspicious townie.
There was also this response from you (whom I know to be mafia) stating the “IF I was mafia with Jim” thing
Also, bogart and Son of a Beek - Since both of you said that some of your suspicions of me are based upon me "wanting" to be in the runoff. Where does that put me in your eyes considering potent just offered himself up for the lynch?
I had a message typed up (for your other message to me) then lighting hit my office, that might sound like bullshit but that is what is going on in bogarts life right now (that wasn't the only important thing to get erased )The point of letting you know that this one is going to be shorter, and more up to date.
I think your last message had some good points, but I also think you put some words in my mouth. I never meant to come off as you "wanting" to be in the runoff. It was more about how ok you were with it.
I also think you're putting too much emphasis on me and jim voting together. IF I was mafia with Jim there is no way I would come out and use the same reasoning to vote for someone.
Where I stand right now is I think potent is being way too erratic with his votes/movements. It does nothing but cause confusion, which is not good for the town. The town doesn't know anything right now, the mafia have the upper hand. Even if all four people in the run off are townies (which i'm going to be honest I have no idea). I think we should whittle this down to two (less places for mafia to hide), and then vote someone off (unless things change that is going to be potent for me).
I know that Jim did some things when I was mafia with him that didn’t make sense to me, so I wanted to see if there was the connection between the two of you and you were trying to play it off. I had raised suspicions of Jim during the day, so if it turned out he was mafia, I could easily target him the next day. I was told he was a townie by our lovely sub-ref (You're doing a bang-up job, lady. Thanks again.), so I didn't continue with my suspicions of Jim into day 2.
2. Why Jaz? A lot of it comes down to voting patterns and twitchy feelings. I know you (Bogart) are mafia, because yours is the name the MIA Viking gave me. The first day, you made an initial vote for Tainted then switched to Jaz. You stayed on Jaz through two runoffs, then moved to Potent at the end. This gives you the ability to make the "but if Jaz and I are mafia together, why would I vote for him" excuse. I was going to ask about Farris, but something was nagging me about Jazmo, so I went with him. There are a few posts that caused me to look his direction a bit more that ultimately made me ask about Jazmo. This was one:
I feel like I should post just because I felt like it was best to keep my mouth shut after Jim voted for potent, but I don't want people to think I've disappeared and have people jump on me for it. I'm here. I'm going to reread the thread and see what I can come up with in the context of Rummy's whack.
Jazmo was a prominent figure in the Day 1 runoffs, then kind of fell off the radar for people. It really made me want to know his role.
3. Why didn’t I point suspicion your way early? I did. Just not blatantly with votes. This is the first time I've been inspector. It’s a hella stressful position to be in. I didn't want to come straight out, guns blazing, for obvious reasons. I’m trying to stay alive as long possible to help the town out as much as possible.
Here's one breadcrumb I left in case I was whacked:
First off, you people are crazy. 8 pages in the first day has to be some form of a record.
Second, as I have it figured krissy and potent have 3 votes and jaz and rummy have 1, with me, potent, and jaz to vote. I am going to vote for jaz because I am really curious as to where potent will vote (this will force jaz back into voting for rummy, which will put rummy/jaz at two each). I am doing this because I find potent the most interesting person right now due to his erratic voting, and krissy the 2nd most due to her being ok with the run off (most people don't want to go to the run off unless they know they will be ok). I also don't think either of these two are inspector (I have never seen an inspector put themselves in these situations), so even if they are not mafia we will not lose our biggest asset in the first day.
The first day is always the toughest and usually a townie gets lynched, it sucks but that's just how it is when 3 people are working together against 7 clueless people, and one person who knows something. As far as quite vs loud I see it both ways. Sure its easy to say "hey they are quite and must be mafia", BUT I find it just as easy to think that someone who is posting erratically could be doing so to confuse the townies. I think our best move is to get the run off to three as to have another look at voting patterns (as opposed to two).
bogart > possum > jazmo
Responding to the bolded statement above.
I used to get up in arms when I was put in a runoff early in a game of mafia. I have learned, however, that every death is information for the town and for the inspector. I don't like the wording that has been used by both you and Jim. Jim stated I "offered" myself up. You're saying I "want" to go to a runoff. Neither of those statements are true. I simply accept the fact that there has to be someone in the runoff on Day 1 and that someone has to die. Do I want it to be me? Of course not. But do I understand that's the way the game is played and that's how information is gathered? Absolutely.
Okay, so we're now at a 5 person run-off between Potentpotables, Tainted Opossum, Krissyjo, Jazmo, and Rummagingforanswers7
I think that's overkill, so would like to see it whittled down to 4 or 3. Due to the conversations, I'd like to see Jazmo, Potent, and Taint in it. The fourth could be a toss up between me or rummaging. Obviously, for self-preservation sake, I'd rather not be in it, but for the town's sake, it doesn't bother me to be there.
Jim - I don't recall offering myself to be in the runoff. I was already basically part of it. Plus, people have to be in the runoff day 1 - do I want it to be me? Of course not. Is whining about it going to do any good? Nope. So if I'm in the day 1 runoff - the town has to start somewhere. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Runoffs give the town information. They're a good thing.
I also find it interesting that you and Jim seem to be using the same arguments against me. In a previous game (76?), Jim and I were mafia together. I'm familiar with his style when he's mafia and how he interacts with his fellow mafia. The fact that both of you are sticking with the same flimsy reason makes me take note for future rounds (if I survive this one).
One last point: Why is it suspicious for me to say I'm okay with being in a runoff (note: I'm OKAY with it. I am not offering myself up, nor do I want to be there, but I am okay with it), yet Potent gets a free pass?
Look, you can make yourself believe what you want to believe, and so I realize there is nothing I will do or say that will convince you otherwise. But rest assured, I am not afraid of the runoff. If I am voted off, so be it, I'll be upset for a day because I like playing mafia and I am a member of the town, but my life will go on most likely. The truth is that all 7 of the normal townies have no idea what to do today and they grasp at every little straw to try to make some narrative. I know this, I've been part of it and I'm doing it in this game. The reality to me is that it is really hard to know what you're doing without a mafia whack. If I have to die for the town to win, so be it, I hope I can play a part in it right now.
Hmm... Interesting how Bogart says "most people don't want to go to the run off unless they know they will be ok" and Potent says "But rest assured, I am not afraid of the runoff." Yet I'm the one being scrutinized.
Now, the reason I didn't start coming after you was because you had barely posted anything, so there was nothing I could use as a reason to switch my vote to you without even more attention being brought my way. Since you were also the only mafia name I knew at the time, I wanted to see who you pointed fingers at and why, so I never made a case against you.
4. Who would I ask about tonight? I’ve been thinking Jimmy or Tainted, but then a well-orchestrated exchange happened with Farris and Bogart (put in spoiler tags to save space):
Hmmmm, if Krissy is being nefarious right now, that's pretty damn risky on her behalf. That being said, it's day three and there is a good chance the town will lose if we don't make the right choice today. I can't just jump on Jaz this early in the day since he is already stacked and I don't want it to be a landslide yet, although that doesn't mean I won't move my vote to him before the day is over. I feel my vote will be better served by someone whose been quiet and already accused. I want you to speak up today bogart.
Sorry ladies and gentlemen I just got home from work.
Ok I am going to start off by addressing the elephant in the room. I am not going to pretend that as of now things look good for me. I am going to provide some arguments, reasons, and quotes’ to try and prove why I know krissy is faking inspector., but in the end I know my chances are slim. I know she is faking inspector because I am a townie. That much I know 100%. So now we must question why she would do such a thing. Looking back in my mind I remember something similar in one of the last games I played (59-64?), the difference being the real inspector came out to call the fake one out. As of this post no one has come out to disprove krissy (and if they did who would believe them anyways?). So this can be one of three options:
1. Krissy is inspector, me and jaz are mafia, jim is a townie. This is the option most of you will end up believing no matter what I say. I understand that, I really do. 2. Krissy is faking inspector when she is actually mafia. This is what I believe is the case. Why would this happen you might ask? Simple, we are on a day were theoretically the mafia can win with a townie lynch. If potent, rummy, jim, and jfg were townies then the mafia just needs one more townie lynch to win the game. What is the easiest way to get a guaranteed townie death? Fake inspector. For this to work it helps that the real inspector is dead, which given rummy’s whack would make sense to believe. Since she voted for krissy in day one. 3. Krissy faking inspector when she is a townie. Granted this is the least likely to happen, as it would be entirely detrimental to the town, just wanted to cover all of the bases.
Now I am going to present the evidence for option 2:
When people say "the inspector surviving and coming out," you don't mean that s/he would actually come out and divulge their status, right? Because then wouldn't they be killed pretty quickly by the mafia?
And the night ends as soon as the Inspector has submitted his/her guess and the Mafia has made their kill?
Two quotes that might have also led the mafia to believe rummy was the inspector. This is rummy’s first game remember, I can see her posing these questions to us in order to know what to do being the inspector.
One last thing that I think should be noted is if me or jaz were mafia then why hasn’t one of us faked inspector? She would have us dead to rights at the moment., yet neither of us have done anything drastic. Not that I am claiming to know jaz is 100% a townie or not.
Believe me or not I worry this game is coming to an end. I should have spoken up more and I know that. Life has a way of getting in the way right at the worst time.
Krissy, now for some questions.
1. Why jim? 2. Why jaz? 3. Why didn’t you point any suspicion in my direction early to strengthen your claim? I know voting for me out of the gate would have been dumb if I were actually mafia, but you have played enough with me to know I usually don’t jump down peoples throats at the first sign of being accused. 4. Who would you “ask about” next?
Thank you for the response Bogart. You bring up good points. It's interesting how once Taint indicated he was not inspector today that Krissy then comes out as inspector in the very next post. Almost as if he was the last question mark.
If Krissy is mafia, that almost directly connects Jimmy to her. He was the one afterall, that pleaded to save her from the runoff on day 1 (which I stupidly obliged) and him voting for her was a big hoax like I called him out on at some point during this clusterfuck. Surf would be right behind him, he missed a vote that his only option would have been either a throwaway or Jimmy. I'm feeling Krissy is a fake at this point.
So I will guess Farris tonight.
This is my very first time being an Inspector. When I got my role, I said "Let's hope I don't eff this up" to Viking. I've drawn a lot of heat this game, but thankfully have survived long enough to get the town two solid names. Town - you're smart. Go back through, look at connections linking Bogart and Jazmo.
One more thing for consideration: If I was faking inspector - why the hell would I choose to call out two experienced players who are still alive and can respond to the accusation? A fake inspector in the position Bogart described in his #2 point would only need one townie lynch to seal the game. There'd be no reason to call out two living players.
Post by Farrisbueller on Apr 14, 2015 23:56:32 GMT -5
krissyjo, please don't choose me if you are indeed inspector, it will be a wasted pick. I would choose between Taint, Surf or Jimmy. I know how hard it is to be inspector and I never even had to deal with people questioning my validity.
Although I am sure you will be whacked if we come to day 4. I am glad you are responding now. I will go back over things heavily tomorrow, I could see why you would link me to Bogart because I left my vote on him while discussing the other scenario. But its not like Jaz or Bogart completely swayed me or anything. I just don't want to be erradic with my votes even if I am discussing multiple scenarios. I havent tied myself down to a scenario yet but I will by tomorrow. The reason I switched from Taint was because he had little value as a pick with the info you provided at the time. Now we have a conflict, I'm not just going to move my vote back and forth back and forth a bunch.
One question for you, why would I highlight a Jaz/Krissy combo the way I did this morning if I was mafia with him?
Post by Farrisbueller on Apr 15, 2015 0:10:04 GMT -5
A third scenario the town should give at least a glancing thought would be a Krissy and Jaz combo just like Jfg had heavily implied and I also brought up. It should not be discounted that they would try to separate so heavily. I want to see a Krissy/Jaz runoff at this point.
Wonderful. I wake up in the middle of the night to pee and this happens. And it's the player ive been most suspiscious of reading through the thread.
Alllllllrighty then.
I need to Re-read this whole thread with that in mind. Looks like I'll be speed reading through lunch tomorrow.
Back to zzzzzz
You missed a vote that would probably had extended day two further if you would have put Jimmy in the runoff. We would of at least gotten more info out of everyone in the runoff from that. Now you are alluding to thoughts you've had yet being very vague, and potentially leading. Please elaborate what you are referring to.
Wonderful. I wake up in the middle of the night to pee and this happens. And it's the player ive been most suspiscious of reading through the thread.
Alllllllrighty then.
I need to Re-read this whole thread with that in mind. Looks like I'll be speed reading through lunch tomorrow.
Back to zzzzzz
You missed a vote that would probably had extended day two further if you would have put Jimmy in the runoff. We would of at least gotten more info out of everyone in the runoff from that. Now you are alluding to thoughts you've had yet being very vague, and potentially leading. Please elaborate what you are referring to.
I will elaborate when I'm done reading the thread. I'm not trying to be vague. As I've admitted before in this game I have been a very crappy player this game. I haven't payed much attention, and so when I got a hunch about Krissyjo I sort of read the thread through those glasses, if that makes sense. Totally lazy way of approaching the game. I've just been really busy at work, with home life and other stuff.
I won't join another game unless I can commit to actually doing my part, unlike this time.
krissyjo, please don't choose me if you are indeed inspector, it will be a wasted pick. I would choose between Taint, Surf or Jimmy. I know how hard it is to be inspector and I never even had to deal with people questioning my validity.
Although I am sure you will be whacked if we come to day 4. I am glad you are responding now. I will go back over things heavily tomorrow, I could see why you would link me to Bogart because I left my vote on him while discussing the other scenario. But its not like Jaz or Bogart completely swayed me or anything. I just don't want to be erradic with my votes even if I am discussing multiple scenarios. I havent tied myself down to a scenario yet but I will by tomorrow. The reason I switched from Taint was because he had little value as a pick with the info you provided at the time. Now we have a conflict, I'm not just going to move my vote back and forth back and forth a bunch.
One question for you, why would I highlight a Jaz/Krissy combo the way I did this morning if I was mafia with him?
I appreciate the fact that you're not just taking me for my word that I'm inspector. My thoughts of asking about you tonight was a bit of a sleepy knee-jerk reaction to your response to Bogart. I'm going to take time this morning to read through this entire thread again looking at Bogart and Jazmo's posts as I know they are mafia now to see who may be connected as the third.
I'm looking at lot at voting moves because, while they're not 100% the solution, they are a huge part of the puzzle. I've kept a spreadsheet with everyone's votes throughout the game and continue to refer back to it. To help you all out in your own decision making, here are Jazmo and Bogarts voting records:
Day 2 Initial: Jimmyroo>>Farrisbueller Runoff 1: Farrisbueller>>Jim
Day 3 Initial: KrissyJo
Bogart's Votes Day 1 Initial: Tainted Opossum Runoff 1: Jazmo Runoff 2: Jazmo Runoff 3: Jazmo>>Potentpotables
Day 2 Initial: Krissyjo Runoff 1: Krissyjo
Day 3 Initial: KrissyJo
Now it's going to take me some time to get through the thread. I will make notes and try to have something up before noon CST (I am at work after all). Please know I'm not ignoring your question, Farris. I want to go through the thread first then will absolutely answer.
Here's the thing guys - I have nothing to lose at this point. I have no reason to try to hide from the mafia anymore. They know who I am, so I'm a dead woman walking. I'm going to lay out all of my thoughts and you guys make the decision you're most comfortable with. One thing I agree with Bogart on - The decision you make today will have a huge impact on the outcome of the game. Don't take it lightly and do your own research. Try to poke holes in everything anyone says.
Someone earlier in the game said they wanted to see what a Day 3 Inspector reveal looked like... Here ya go
I've started going through the game page by page and noting things. I've got 2 pages so far, and realized that a huge post is not necessarily going to be the best way to help. Would you guys rather I post ALL of my thoughts on each day, or try to make it more concise? I don't want to overwhelm with information, but I also want to be thorough and transparent.
I've started going through the game page by page and noting things. I've got 2 pages so far, and realized that a huge post is not necessarily going to be the best way to help. Would you guys rather I post ALL of my thoughts on each day, or try to make it more concise? I don't want to overwhelm with information, but I also want to be thorough and transparent.
What will be most helpful to you all?
It's Wednesday and we have like ten hours to save the town, lay out the details
I've said the entire runoff that I actually am not convinced any of the four of us were mafia (if I had to pick one it would have been Krissy), but when deciding between me and Jaz, from my point of view Jaz has to be the most likely to be mafia, because I'm a townie.
Frankly, I think the mafia are happy either way here, as their disadvantage will go from 8-3 to 6-3 as soon as the whack is made.
Yep - I think if one of the four of us were the Mafia, Krissy is most likely. Wish she'd been in the final run off, but what can ya do!
Also, question: so you guys play where the whack occurs after the lynching of that day? Or have the Mafia already decided who dies for this round? I know the way that I've always played in person, but the OP is a little vague about the timing of it with this online version.
I forgot to include this in my last post and feel that it should be pointed out. That is a BOLD statement to make in day one without having some insider knowledge. Also, another question alluding to how to play as inspector.
3. Why didn’t I point suspicion your way early? I did. Just not blatantly with votes. This is the first time I've been inspector. It’s a hella stressful position to be in. I didn't want to come straight out, guns blazing, for obvious reasons. I’m trying to stay alive as long possible to help the town out as much as possible.
Here's one breadcrumb I left in case I was whacked:
I used to get up in arms when I was put in a runoff early in a game of mafia. I have learned, however, that every death is information for the town and for the inspector. I don't like the wording that has been used by both you and Jim. Jim stated I "offered" myself up. You're saying I "want" to go to a runoff. Neither of those statements are true. I simply accept the fact that there has to be someone in the runoff on Day 1 and that someone has to die. Do I want it to be me? Of course not. But do I understand that's the way the game is played and that's how information is gathered? Absolutely.
To backup my statements:
I also find it interesting that you and Jim seem to be using the same arguments against me. In a previous game (76?), Jim and I were mafia together. I'm familiar with his style when he's mafia and how he interacts with his fellow mafia. The fact that both of you are sticking with the same flimsy reason makes me take note for future rounds (if I survive this one).
One last point: Why is it suspicious for me to say I'm okay with being in a runoff (note: I'm OKAY with it. I am not offering myself up, nor do I want to be there, but I am okay with it), yet Potent gets a free pass?
Hmm... Interesting how Bogart says "most people don't want to go to the run off unless they know they will be ok" and Potent says "But rest assured, I am not afraid of the runoff." Yet I'm the one being scrutinized.
Now, the reason I didn't start coming after you was because you had barely posted anything, so there was nothing I could use as a reason to switch my vote to you without even more attention being brought my way. Since you were also the only mafia name I knew at the time, I wanted to see who you pointed fingers at and why, so I never made a case against you.
I don’t understand how this is pointing in my direction. Taken out of context yes it looks that way, but let’s be real I was accusing you of something and you were defending yourself. This becomes very clear when I vote for potent in the final round. I found him suspicious for the exact same reason. Let me guess if I would have been lynched you would have just put potent’s name as the given name instead of mine? Also you could have easily voted for me at the beginning of day 2 as according to you I wasn’t talking much, and you were gunning for new people in the day 2 runoff. There is your reason. I am just pointing this out because I would think the real inspector would do everything in their power to try and get the mafia name they were given to be put under the gun. Not some quotes that were used to defend themselves.
One more thing for consideration: If I was faking inspector - why the hell would I choose to call out two experienced players who are still alive and can respond to the accusation? A fake inspector in the position Bogart described in his #2 point would only need one townie lynch to seal the game. There'd be no reason to call out two living players.
Now on to this gem, first of all throw out the “experienced” bit as we are all experienced in this game.
The reason you would call out two mafia is a good question to ask and I can see two scenarios as to why you would do it.
1. You only need one lynch (as I stated previously), thus you only need one townie vote. This strengthens your case, because you can say exactly what you just said. I’ll admit, this was a good move, something I would have never thought of if I were faking inspector.
2. You are down to 2 mafia and knew you were on the chopping block. You saw the writing on the wall per say and knew people were going to come after you. So you and the other mafia form a plan. You tell the town two “experienced” players are mafia. This gets you two automatic lynches’, with the sacrifice being you, someone who was already on their way to being killed off anyways. Throw in your suspicions for farris and you are well on your way to winning the game… for the mafia. Obviously this leads me to wonder who the other mafia would be, my bet right now is tainted/surf. Ill post a mock situation below: a. Day 3 Lynch – jaz b. Day 3 Whack – krissy c. Day 4 lynch – bogart d. Day 4 whack – whoever they can find who is voting against the last member e. Day 5 lynch – last townie
I've started going through the game page by page and noting things. I've got 2 pages so far, and realized that a huge post is not necessarily going to be the best way to help. Would you guys rather I post ALL of my thoughts on each day, or try to make it more concise? I don't want to overwhelm with information, but I also want to be thorough and transparent.
What will be most helpful to you all?
It's Wednesday and we have like ten hours to save the town, lay out the details
Works for me. I'm still compiling notes and will post when I'm done. I may end up breaking it into a few posts to try to help save space.
I tried to limit my actual quoting to attempt to save space. This is still crazy long, though.
Day 1 I don’t put a ton of weight on people’s initial votes. The majority are truly random. The only people who have an idea of others roles are the mafia and the inspector. As I explained in my response to Bogart, I chose not to vote for my given name initially. First day as inspector and I was crazy nervous about how to approach the game. I didn’t have a set game plan in mind and very much made it up as I went along.
(Page 1) After many initial votes were placed, I make mention of it being quiet and that I wanted a 4-person runoff. Jazmo responds saying the quiet is par for the course on Day 1 and that feeling uneasy is premature. Solid point. Jimmy states he doesn’t care if it’s 3 or 4 people in the runoff. Potent moves his official vote off of Jazmo and onto Tainted, saying he’d rather be in with someone other than Jazmo and it was based on a “gut feeling”. This made me look his direction (and others looked his way, too). Potent also said he was less suspicious of Rummy because she “made a move making me think she's town” – The only thing Rummy did at this point was reciprocate a vote to Jazmo. Still not sure why that makes her look more like a townie than anyone else’s random votes. Mafia have been known to be voting partners, too. Especially in Day 1 when there’s plenty of time to move. Rummy’s vote for Jazmo also stacked him to 2 – making the first stack of the game.
Because Rummy was new to this game, I think this is the time when Mafia (Jazmo) started to look her direction as inspector. A new player may come out swinging if they’re inspector their first game.
(Page 2) Jazmo and Potent have an exchange back and forth regarding Potent’s “gut feeling”. Farris also questions Potent on his move and Potent explains again:
That still doesn't make Jazmo any less suspicious.
So Jazmo and rummaging had less decision making pull than some other reason that made you to change your vote over to tainted opossum?
I think I stated twice that I'm still suspicious of Jaz.
I don't really understand your second question. But I will state again as clearly as possible - my vote for Jaz was because he was 4th in the list, nothing more than that. Rummaging stacked on him which I wrote off as a new player making her first vote. Could I be wrong? Sure. But Rummaging voting for Jaz did two things - make me believe she was town (based on information we currently have) and want to move my vote. I then moved to Tainted Oppossum because he also stacked early.
Tainted states he doesn’t understand Potent’s reasoning to switching to him and brings up the fact that Jazmo seems to be coming hard at Potent for the move. Nothing pops out at me til Bogart’s post:
Ok, I have a couple of observations. Also it should be noted that I am currently studying for my CPA so I will be most active during working hours (7-4 CST), not to say I am exclusive to just those hours.
First, It's been over a year since I last played a game and you guys still can’t agree on a 3 or 4 person runoff (classic), not that I am claiming I know the answer. I just think it’s funny. I am fine with either a 3 or 4 person runoff at this point.
Second, I don't buy the "new player" excuse as I am sure the mafia has already been in communication. I will play like I never knew rummaging is a new player.
Third, I am not sure what to think of potent at this time. I do think it’s odd that he has already taken his name off a stack (jazmo) and cleared a player (rummaging) based on “gut feeling”.
Forth, I am keeping my vote for now based on the bolded below, because I find it silly and don’t see a reason to put anyone else in over possum at the moment.
My logic is simple, most players have a routine and while I don't find it strange when someone picks someone at random, I do find it strange when someone picks someone and then explains that they are voting for them based on nothing at all. As for stacking, the votes were cut five or six ways one way with a single individual having two votes. Between those flags, I had my first vote. I doubt I’ll be changing it, barring a shift in what pans out.
This is the first substantial post Bogart made, so I looked at it very closely. The part that I eyed the most was Bogart stating he didn’t know what to think of Potent though he thought it was “odd” to make his moves based off of a gut feeling. To me, I read this as a toss away statement – he left himself open to either decide Potent was suspicious because of this move or not. That’s when I started looking at Potent as a partner to Bogart.
(Page 3) Tainted gives me an explanation to his statement of “If I vote for bogart, Krissy falls out of the spotlight (despite the day one round one stack), I draw more "suspicion" to myself for switching votes and our runoff drops to 3 - essentially making my vote null.” and was crazy confused on the facts:
Of course. I can appreciate that this is your first game, and that its your first vote, but I don't buy the defense of a return vote - at least not to the extent that you should no longer be considered possible mafia. One of your posts on page 1 lead me to believe that you are more than likely town, however I don't really rest my head on "more than likely". Your initial vote is either concerning, or not concerning at all and complete proof that you are indeed fresh in this game and town. I haven't been able to clearly decide which yet, but time will tell.
Ummmmm I think you're confusing me with someone. Rummy maybe? Cause not my first game... and didn't do a return vote. I voted for jimmy and haven't moved.
You probably shouldn't drink before noon
Looking back at it now, this makes me wonder about Tainted. He responds to me, but I’ve never been very satisfied with his answer. He explained it one way above, then changes it and says “What I meant to say was this…”
Ummmmm I think you're confusing me with someone. Rummy maybe? Cause not my first game... and didn't do a return vote. I voted for jimmy and haven't moved.
You probably shouldn't drink before noon
Oh god, I am way off in left field this morning! My apologies, allow me to correct myself: While I don't at all trust return voters, you indeed were not one of them. I meant to say that (per my previous posts) I simply don't trust someone who makes a random vote but then takes time to state that they are voting based entirely on random chance. If you hadn't said this, or if someone had coaxed such a response out of you, I may see it differently. That minor error aside, the rest of the point remains the same.
Please don't take my pre noon sauce away, its what gets my to my post noon sauce!
There’s general back and forth between players throughout this page – nothing that raises eyebrows. I lay out who I feel should be in the runoff and name Potent, Taint, and Rummy. Taint is the only one who questions me on why. I’m not going to quote my entire response because this is already ridiculously long, but it has to do with the same things I mentioned above. The full post is towards the bottom of Page 3 if anyone wants to read it. Tainted’s response seems like a throwaway to me:
Haha I mistook your actions for a different players from last night, is that really so crazy? What you put in bold from my first quote is simple fact, mixed with a quote from the show that this round is based on.
All that aside, I fail to see how these two thoughts make me suspicious vs comfortably paranoid and slightly foggy from last night. (Smiley face)
(Page 4) The post below didn’t pop out at me as suspicious before, but now, knowing Jim was a townie and Jazmo is mafia, this is a very leading question asked by Jazmo:
Well, you know I've been part of the conversation. I have nothing to hide, as I'm a member of the town. But I realize that someone has to die on the first day and there's an 8 out of 11 chance it's a townie, so if I'm going down, I'm getting as much info out there as possible to help the town. With this reasoning, and to help Krissy get the number of people in the runoff that she wants, but not the exact people, I'm moving my vote.
potent >>> jazmo >>> tainted opossum >>> jfg
He was the first to vote for me, so I will reciprocate here noting that it is based on nothing but reciprocation. I could have reciprocated to the other vote on me, but that would have put him in the runoff and would really have made little discernible difference to where we are. In other words, my vote is a throwaway to get to a 4 person runoff.
You voted for Tainted earlier because he was an early person to stack. What is your reasoning for now taking him out? Because that's what krissy wants? If you're suspicious of Tainted why not just let him proceed into the runoff?
Rummy starts agreeing with Jim about being suspicious about me. I’m guessing the mafia starts looking at me as a nice distraction for the town about this time.
(Page 5) Jazmo mentions the quiet folks (funny how people love to get on to me about mentioning quiet people, yet others can do it just fine) Rummy asks more questions about the game rules. What I find most interesting about this is IF Rummy was the Inspector as Bogart is desperately trying to convince you of, why in the world was she asking so many questions about game play in the thread? Why didn’t she ask in a PM? Why didn’t she think to look at the rules? As the true Inspector, I have gone back to the rules MULTIPLE times to make sure I understand my role and the gameplay.
Now at this point, Rummy decides I’m more suspicious than Jaz and changes her vote to me. She doesn’t do it in the proper format and Jaz is ever-so-helpful in making sure she makes it the right way so it counts.
At the bottom of Page 5, Rummy explains her vote for me. Basically it’s because I was vocal and it was easier to go through those who were talking vs those who were silent. She readily admits it may not be a smart move, but that’s what she went with.
Does anyone else get the sense that the four of us in the runoff are not mafia and they are sitting back at ease right now?
Rummy is the first to agree, followed by Jazmo saying it wouldn’t surprise him, then I say that thought crossed my mind as well. Of course, now I know Jazmo was just playing the townie card and jumping on the doubt that Potent cast. At the time, I did find Potent’s statement curious. Jim then makes the statement that he’s basically cleared Potent. Up until this point, I had no idea who to ask about on Night 1. From this statement on, Jim was at the top of my list.
(Page 7) I give a detailed explanation to Tainted regarding his suspicions of me. I’ve been VERY detailed this game. Those of you who have played with me in games where I am mafia know that I’m generally not very detailed when I’m mafia. I’m way too freaking paranoid about what I post. You can see that this game is completely different. I’m probably being more thorough than I’ve ever been – Because I have the most important role in the game for the town. More general discussion with nothing that makes me more or less curious about players.
(Page 8) More general discussion. Then Bogart pops in again:
First off, you people are crazy. 8 pages in the first day has to be some form of a record.
Second, as I have it figured krissy and potent have 3 votes and jaz and rummy have 1, with me, potent, and jaz to vote. I am going to vote for jaz because I am really curious as to where potent will vote (this will force jaz back into voting for rummy, which will put rummy/jaz at two each). I am doing this because I find potent the most interesting person right now due to his erratic voting, and krissy the 2nd most due to her being ok with the run off (most people don't want to go to the run off unless they know they will be ok). I also don't think either of these two are inspector (I have never seen an inspector put themselves in these situations), so even if they are not mafia we will not lose our biggest asset in the first day.
The first day is always the toughest and usually a townie gets lynched, it sucks but that's just how it is when 3 people are working together against 7 clueless people, and one person who knows something. As far as quite vs loud I see it both ways. Sure its easy to say "hey they are quite and must be mafia", BUT I find it just as easy to think that someone who is posting erratically could be doing so to confuse the townies. I think our best move is to get the run off to three as to have another look at voting patterns (as opposed to two).
bogart > possum > jazmo
Reading the part where Bogart says he doesn’t think I’m Inspector made me happy and nervous at the same time. I was thinking since whatever I was doing didn’t seem “inspectorish” to him, I may have a good chance at surviving the night. Then again, it also made me paranoid that it was a false security. Thankfully, it happened to be the first one. I’m pretty sure (especially with how Bogart is responding so aggressively now when he’s made very few posts throughout the game) when I revealed myself, there was a big Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge moment for him.
Middle of Page 8 I make another detailed post responding to Bogart and I point out that him using the reason that I seemed ok to be in the runoff as suspicious, yet didn’t blink an eye when Potent basically conceded to being the lynch.
JFG states he’d rather see Jaz/Potent in a runoff than a Potent/Krissy runoff. I feel this is where Mafia starts to look at JFG as possible inspector.
(Page 9) This is where Fawn steps in to ref. There’s a little bit of confusion on the tally that takes up most of this page. The rest was general discussion.
(Page 10) I ask Bogart and Potent to explain why they were more suspicious of me than Potent considering he offered himself up for the lynch. Jim makes his “180” opinion statement, saying he’ll post something more informed later. Hours and hours and hours pass by before he get to it. Bogart responds:
Also, bogart and Son of a Beek - Since both of you said that some of your suspicions of me are based upon me "wanting" to be in the runoff. Where does that put me in your eyes considering potent just offered himself up for the lynch?
I had a message typed up (for your other message to me) then lighting hit my office, that might sound like bullshit but that is what is going on in bogarts life right now (that wasn't the only important thing to get erased )The point of letting you know that this one is going to be shorter, and more up to date.
I think your last message had some good points, but I also think you put some words in my mouth. I never meant to come off as you "wanting" to be in the runoff. It was more about how ok you were with it.
I also think you're putting too much emphasis on me and jim voting together. IF I was mafia with Jim there is no way I would come out and use the same reasoning to vote for someone.
Where I stand right now is I think potent is being way too erratic with his votes/movements. It does nothing but cause confusion, which is not good for the town. The town doesn't know anything right now, the mafia have the upper hand. Even if all four people in the run off are townies (which i'm going to be honest I have no idea). I think we should whittle this down to two (less places for mafia to hide), and then vote someone off (unless things change that is going to be potent for me).
People start discussing a 3 or 2 person runoff and naming who they want to see in it. I state my preference is to go to a 2 person runoff because that forces two mafia to vote together instead of spreading votes. I also state that a 3 person runoff then a 2 person is fine as well.
(Page 11) Literally RIGHT before the Runoff ended, Tainted makes his “joking” change from me to Rummy. Bad timing or something nefarious? Personally I still chalk it up to bad timing and a terrible joke which makes many people look his direction.
Jimmy asks why people are voting for me because he doesn’t see the suspicions. Potent responds that it’s self-preservation. So he goes from offering to be the lynch, then when it looks like he’s truly going to go, he suddenly wants to save himself. This makes me perfectly fine with having him as the lynch.
******Because this is stupid long, I’m posting this portion as I work on the last part of Day 1******
Day 1 - Part 2 (Page 12) Good God. We really did make the first day go on forever didn’t we?
Runoff 2 starts with me, Potent, and Jazmo. Jazmo and I both have locked votes on Potent. Farris makes mention of talk of lynching Potent outright. I point out that Potent started those talks and if he is Mafia, it’s very risky, yet sometimes risky moves have the biggest rewards.
I'm concerned with everyone jumping on potent. He hasn't actually done anything that would blatantly expose him as a mafia. Essentially he switched his votes a couple times and then Jim said that potent is "cleared" without (even now) having provided an explanation. But that's not enough for me to 100% think he's a mafia.
I'm more concerned right now with how strongly the majority of the town has come down on potent. I'm not convinced either way right now, but I'm hoping this move will create some more substantive actions from all players. Again, like most things in round 1, it's a guy feeling.
This bumps me to 5 votes, Potent is at 3 and Jazmo is at 2.
Jazmo makes a long post regarding why he locked on Potent in the middle of page 12. Knowing that Jazmo is mafia now makes me believe Potent may not have been mafia after all (Sorry Potent).Hindsight is 20/20.
Jim tosses out a crazy accusation towards me which I call him out on and he never explains:
What really is suspicious is everyone ganging up on Potent mainly for his many shifts of votes and his offer to be the lynch for day one. While Krissy seems to be forgiven for doing the same.
Seriously? This is just false all around, Jim. I'd love for you to show me some backup to that claim.
This solidifies him in my number 1 suspicious spot and who I decide to ask about during the night.
(Page 13) I point out that as it stood with me at 5 votes, we were looking as though we were skipping the 2 person runoff. That would be perfect for the mafia. Jimmy takes note about how people seemed just fine with me being voted off so easily and moves his vote to Potent. Farris states I’m the least suspicious to him and moves his vote from me to Jazmo. This begins the final runoff between Jazmo and Potent. Rummy asks for Jazmo and Potent to make statements. Jazmo once again says he’s a townie. I’m pretty sure he’s the one in the game who has stated that he’s a townie the most. Don’t quote me on that cause I didn’t count and I’m not going to, but it seems like he sure says it a lot.
(Page 14) The one thing that stands out to me is that Rummy states she’s more suspicious of Jazmo than Potent. Yet another reason for them to whack her during the night.
At this point, Potent is at 4 votes and Jazmo is at 6 votes.
Bogart then makes this post – Moving his vote from Jazmo to Potent, making the tally 5/5.
Ok, I am not going to give tainted an easy out here.
I am not sure if we have a mafia in these two are not, but I do not think keeping potent around is a good idea. For one he changed his vote 5 or so times before we got in the runoff, which is something I can not get behind. Some might find that ok, I don't. It causes too much confusion. That being said I also think 14 pages for day one is excessive and when it comes to later in the game all of that clutter is going to make it harder to get a grip on who said what, but I digress.
Farris's statement also makes no sense to me, you claim that if potent is mafia you would rather get rid of jaz?! I'm not a scientist but I know enough to know we are trying to get RID of the mafia. You then go on to say that potent will be an easy target later on, but jaz will "fade away". Why is that exactly? From my experience pretty much everyone who is in the day one runoff fades away (at least in day 2), why is potent different?
Lastly, Potent offering himself up does nothing to clear him IMO. In fact I find it makes him that much more suspicious. Why, you might be wondering? BECAUSE IT IS WORKING. If potent makes it through he will be able to use that excuse for the rest of the game, an excuse that has already been used to clear his name once in the past page mind you.
bogart > jaz > potent
I ask Rummy and Farris to explain their vote switches from Potent to Jazmo:
Farrisbueller and Rummy 500 - Since you two are the most recent to mention Jaz as suspicious, can you explain that a bit further? I ask because when I went through, I found potent to be more suspicious, however, I may have blinders on since I've viewed his actions as suspicious for a while now. I want to see what you guys see about Jaz because I may have missed something.
I first want to respond to something you mentioned earlier, I never implicated you specifically in reference to some of the runoff participants hopping on the Potent lynch train a couple rounds back, although you did at one point agree in wanting to skip a three person runoff as well.
I feel I've explained my actions much more than Rummy has up to this point. You see, with Jaz its more about what he said, and who he applied pressure to and who he didnt, and when he applied the pressure he did on certain people like Potent. Potent for me, sold me a good deal when he offered himself up for lynch. Although we discussed how it would hurt the town, his action of sacrifice would not logically have been made by a mafia member (save for a select few circumstances). That alone makes me willing to give him another shot until next round.
I'm maybe just super technologically incompetent, but I keep trying to do the "select post" for a few and then quote the last, and it is giving me an error message. Really frustrating. Can you just trust that these are direct quotes pulled? You can of course go back and check on them if you want - I will even put the page number that each is from.
So, my vote towards Jaz is not particularly indicative of
Page 2, Potent:
Well, there were two people voting for you. I was one of them. I'm not suspicious of myself. The gut feeling was that Rummaging is not mafia. If she was, I don't think she would have stacked on you so quickly. That's my gut feeling.
Knowing that his theory is correct here as it applies to me and that honestly my first move was silly, but I am town and just wasn't really thinking about the implications of stacking. The way that he described his belief that I was town by way of my move and his own (ostensible) town status gave me the impression of one town to another understanding each other as one in the same.
Page 8, Potent:
I'm pretty convinced that I'm going to be lynched on this day. It's kind of depressing because I'm a townie, and I like playing this game, but like I've said repeatedly in this game someone has to die.
All I would like is for townies, after my death, to consider the possibility that I *might* be a townie. That will help you solve the problem.
I still just don't think that the Mafia would speak like this - and of course it COULD be a ploy, to "seem" like he's offering himself as an innocent town member blah blah, but with how the numbers have shaken out, I just don't think the Mafia crew would have stood by and let him do this on Day One. I guess you guys could bridge a potential connection between me and Potent, if we were both mafia and thus this vote is me "saving" him - but I know for a fact that I'm town, and I'm thinking he is too. There is just more that leads me to believe that he must be a fellow townsperson than I've seen to convince me Jaz is. But I don't reallllly believe either to be Mafia. Not much to do about that now though, as it is between the two of them for the lynch.
This gives the Jazmo even more reason to believe Rummy may be inspector and why they decided to get rid of her Night 1.
(Page 15) Tainted moves his vote to Jazmo. Jazmo makes a long post attempting to paint me, Jim, and Tainted in a negative light. Knowing that I’m Inspector, Jim is a townie, and Jazmo is mafia – this makes me believe Tainted is a townie as well. Jazmo is sitting at 6 votes to Potent’s 5 at this time. Jim then does a vote switch that essentially saves Jazmo and seals Potent’s fate. This was yet ANOTHER reason I asked about Jim Night 1. Multiple people ask for an extension. Fawn grants it.
(Page 16) There’s some back and forth but nothing that lends itself to more information in my eyes. JFG questions Jim on his activity and Jim’s responses only solidify my thinking that he’s mafia and my name to guess for Night 1. Of course, now I know that Jim is just super suspicious with his posts no matter his role lol
(Page 17) No one moves their votes. Potent is lynched 6/5. During the night, Rummy asks a question clarifying something about the inspector coming out. Since she was a new player, I’m assuming the mafia thought this was a hint to her role as inspector and, along with the other things that she said during Day 1, thought she was the best bet for the whack.
*****End of Day/Night 1. I need to get work done now. I will try my damndest to get to Day 2 after lunch*****
Alright. So between last night and this morning I've spent hours going over the thread with the only information I have - that Krissy is Mafia, and Rummy and JFG were town. I've found people suspect and ruled them out, I've had some people ruled out only to find them suspect later in the thread. What I'm left with is Krissy/Jim/Tainted. Tainted, I'm sorry if you're town; of the three you're the one that I'm least sure of - but I gotta go with what I see.
I'm going to go through the game page by page to explain why I think this combo makes sense. Overall I think they did a pretty decent job spreading their votes and distancing themselves (especially between Krissy and Tainted), but after Farris started bringing the heat on Tainted/Jim, I see them working together. But I'll get to that. I've got a lot to cover. I'll post tallies throughout the way to make the flow of the game easier. This may end up being my longest post yet on Inforoo, so bear with me.
Not an uncommon spread for Mafia - two votes on townies and one on each other. Tainted will keep his vote on Krissyjo for a while, going so far as to lock it on Krissy, which will serve a purpose later in the game when he needs to distance himself. At the top of page 2, you can see Jim's suspicions of me arise when Potent takes his vote off of me. Jim then immediately replaces Potent's vote with his, making him look real concerned that Potent and I are working together. But later in the round when Potent directly saves Tainted from the runoff...hmm, no word from Jim on that one (nor does he ever respond when I question him about that inconsistency). Then soon:
Okay, so we're now at a 5 person run-off between Potentpotables, Tainted Opossum, Krissyjo, Jazmo, and Rummagingforanswers7
I think that's overkill, so would like to see it whittled down to 4 or 3. Due to the conversations, I'd like to see Jazmo, Potent, and Taint in it. The fourth could be a toss up between me or rummaging. Obviously, for self-preservation sake, I'd rather not be in it, but for the town's sake, it doesn't bother me to be there.
Anyone agree? Disagree?
At this point the town has corralled two Mafia, so it makes sense to want to whittle that down to two or three, saving one or both of them. But why say she still wants Tainted in the runoff? I believe that a large part of this round was used by the Mafia to create distance between Krissy and Tainted - and this will be a theme throughout the game, because it comes into play now in the last round with Tainted and Krissy both alive. Tainted comes up with a silly reason to vote for Krissy (because she said her first-round vote was random), and Krissy responds by saying she wants him in the runoff, but that she's not more suspicious of him than anyone else in the first round. She's speaking out of both sides of her mouth.
Then potent switches his vote from Tainted to JFG, which takes Tainted out of the runoff, just like when Potent took away the stack on me earlier in the round. And please note the outrage from Jim:
From an objective perspective, Krissy is looking more suspicious than anyone else right now. But if I change my vote to her, it will appear as if I am doing so merely to get her in the run-off - potentially in place of me. For that reason, I will keep my vote on Jaz.
Note that by this point in the game, Krissy has decided that she wants Rummy in the runoff (possibly because Rummy tipped her hand):
I guess I'm not following why you find this suspicious, though I'm glad this post was brought to my attention.
krissyjo you gave your reasons for wanting Tainted in - why do you want potent and myself in over rummy?
The exchange between you and potent is what made me want both of you in there. If you'll recall, though, after I initially stated a runoff trio of you, Potent, and Tainted, I posted this:
Didn't see Rummy's response before I posted this (keeping windows open and working while trying to respond isn't probably a good idea). Now I'm kind of leaning towards seeing her in the runoff, too. If we did four, that works fine. If we go to three, I'd say it should be potent, taint, and rummy.
Thoughts?
I think Potent's responses and explanations have been more suspect than yours, which is why I replaced your spot in my lineup with Rummy.
At this point Jim very directly states Krissy is the person he's most suspicious of (verbal distancing), but he keeps his vote on me until the final round. Tainted and Krissy continue to spar. Krissy moves to potent, and bogart moves to me, saying [post truncated for space]:
I am going to vote for jaz because I am really curious as to where potent will vote (this will force jaz back into voting for rummy, which will put rummy/jaz at two each). I am doing this because I find potent the most interesting person right now due to his erratic voting, and krissy the 2nd most due to her being ok with the run off (most people don't want to go to the run off unless they know they will be ok).
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bogart > possum > jazmo
I'm pointing this out because it establishes a precedent that bogart doesn't only just vote for who he thinks is Mafia, but that he will move his vote for the express purpose of forcing someone else to choose between two people. This gives valuable info to the town. This is important to point out because he does it again later in the round when he takes his vote off me. Potent then votes for Krissy, I vote for Potent, Potent switches to me, and JFG switches to Rummy, bringing us to
Krissy/Tainted/Jim still have their votes spread, with Tainted having the power to save Krissy should the need arise (I'll bring this up later). The obvious counterargument for Krissy/Tainted is that Tainted kept his vote on her throughout Day 1, especially when Jimmy stacks on Krissy to bring her to the point of potentially being voted straight off. I will respond to this in due time. But first, another inconsistent post from Jim!
I'm fine with a two or three way runoff as long as Krissy and Potent are in it.
Keeps his vote on me. If his actions had married up with his words, he would have moved his vote to Krissy. But he still doesn't do that. Then later, right before the deadline, Tainted makes his "joke" post:
In retrospect, I don't think it was so much of a joke. I believed it at the time, but looking back now, this works in that it would have directly saved Krissy from the runoff and thrown our inspector in. Maybe it was a joke, but it can't be overlooked. But our potential inspector noticed it:
I was terribly close in that moment, which is unfortunate. Given, if you notice my entire argument in this 11 page funfest has been based around my suspicions of Krissy (and consistent voting of her) why would I pull an audible like that?
Well the answer there is obvious - to throw us off. Not a terrible strategy, to talk up your suspicions of one player right up until the deadline and try to switch it another player at the last minute (who you intended to vote for all along).
IVE GOT MY EYE ON YOU, TAINTED.
After Runoff 2 starting and some vote switches, we're at:
Me, Krissy, Rummaging, and Tainted have locked our votes at this point. Now if they were both Mafia, why on earth would Tainted lock his vote on Krissy when she stands to be voted straight out? Because he doesn't need to move his vote yet. The Mafia aren't stupid. They know the town isn't going to let her get voted straight off. Should it come down to the wire, it would have been very easy for Tainted to unlock his vote and move to Potent, and for Jim to move from me to Potent, ensuring that Krissy doesn't get voted straight off. So Krissy was never in any danger of being voted straight off. But it didn't need to come to that. Jimmy noted the town's silence and moved back off of Krissy. Now at this point, Krissy was still in the runoff, so I'm sure Tainted was considering moving his vote - but again, he didn't have to. Farris moved his vote onto me, bringing Krissy out of the runoff. This would have been excellent for a Krissy/Tainted/Jim Mafia, because it saved Krissy and allowed Krissy and Tainted to maintain a great amount of distance. Now that that distance is established, keeping anyone from drawing the line between Krissy and Tainted, Krissy comes out as "inspector", and whaddya know? Tainted moves his vote over immediately, no questions asked.
Now fast forward in the round to when I'm up 6-4 over Potent.
Bogart moves his vote off of me to make it 5-5. Seems pretty incriminating. But - it has already been established that Bogart votes strategically. Moving it to 5-5 forces Tainted to pick a side, giving the town valuable information (though it didn't necessarily matter since I believe Potent was a townie as well - Tainted could have voted for either of us). I also want to quote myself here because I made a good point early in the game that still holds water. I was looking most closely at potent at the time, but Krissy, Jim, and Tainted all were in my periphery.
Then later in the game, Jim claims to have done a 180 on potent, but his votes do not reflect that at all. Instead, he locks on me. He said he wanted a Krissy/Potent runoff, but instead of moving his vote when he had a very real opportunity to do so, he let the deadline pass. This is an incredibly massive departure of word and action to me. He had the opportunity to ensure that the two people who he said he was most suspicious of were in the runoff, but opted not to go for it. Krissy has been saved, and we have a Jazmo/Potent runoff instead - the same thing we would have had it Tainted's "joke" vote had counted. Again, I'm hesitant to bring this up because if Jim is indeed a townie suspicious of potent more than me and plans on moving his vote, he might read this and say "Fuck this guy accusing me of shit that isn't true" and decide to keep his vote for me instead. But so it goes.
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If I get lynched, keep an eye on potent, Jim, Tainted, and Krissy.
This is why I don't think I was whacked in the first round. Potent was dead after round end and I had named everyone in the Mafia. It would have pointed at them way too directly, and since I had garnered a lot of heat myself and was a potential distraction for the town, it made sense to keep me alive.
The next (very valid question) - if Jim was Mafia, why did he save me at the end of the round, when he knew it would draw a lot of heat? I think this was for two reasons: it allowed him to appear more congruent with his statements after I called him out on it, and it allowed him to come up with an explanation that points fingers at other players. At the end of his explanation post:
Now I'm not accusing Ferris, Rummaging, and/or Jimmy of being mafia, but this really doesn't sit right with me.
No mention of Tainted or Krissy.
Then the round ends, and Rummy is whacked. Thank fucking God because that was a pain in the ass to analyze. Rummy was a good idea for a whack because while it points to both Krissy and I, it can also be used to point at the quieter players in the first round. It's a whack that could be spun in any direction.
In Day 2, Tainted continues his role as distancer and votes for Jim. By the end of the first round, the tally looks like
Again the votes are split, though this time Jim and Krissy are both heading into the runoff. This is where I believe they messed up. Krissy has to vote, but she's not going to vote for herself or another Mafia, so she votes for Farris. Surf then votes for her, and Farris starts to catch wind of a Tainted/Jim connection and moves to Jim.
With the votes arranged as they are, it would have been a risky move for Tainted to move his vote to Farris at this point, because not only would it vote Farris off outright, but then all three of them would have had their vote on Farris, which is a pretty substatial Mafia no-no. With all three Mafia still in the game, it's less risky to keep quiet and hope for another runoff. This holds true when I move to Jim - Tainted can't move to Farris because it would be seen as saving Jim, and Krissy and Jim can't do anything because their votes are stuck on the only non-Mafia in the runoff. But look who pops up to create some distance between Tainted and Jim:
I haven't thought about this game at all this weekend. I've had 10 kids at my house Saturday-Sunday and facilitated the twins birthday parties. Feel free to check my Facebook for the insane amount of pictures for proof.
I did a quick catch-up and the thing that popped out at me is Farris' Tainted/Jim theory. I kind of see it, but also don't understand why, if there is that connection, Tainted would be sitting on his vote for Jim. Doesn't strike me as something partners in crime would do. I'm still good with my vote on Farris.
But as I explained above, my dear "inspector", Tainted sat on his vote for Jim because he didn't want to potentially out the three of you.
Then the round ends, and JFG is whacked, which doesn't give us much at all since he kept his cards so close to his chest. And yes, I know that I said earlier in the round that I didn't see much of a Tainted/Jim connection. But at that point I also hadn't considered Krissy as the third in the trio, and I hadn't scrutinized every fucking post in this game for hours.
Wonderful. I wake up in the middle of the night to pee and this happens. And it's the player ive been most suspiscious of reading through the thread.
Alllllllrighty then.
I need to Re-read this whole thread with that in mind. Looks like I'll be speed reading through lunch tomorrow.
Back to zzzzzz
You missed a vote that would probably had extended day two further if you would have put Jimmy in the runoff. We would of at least gotten more info out of everyone in the runoff from that. Now you are alluding to thoughts you've had yet being very vague, and potentially leading. Please elaborate what you are referring to.
I get the feeling we have had a mutual suspicion of each other for a few days now, so I'm curious: What do you make of all this? It's completely possible that either Krissy or Jazmo are mafia, and it is still entirely possible that I'm mafia - per your perspective. What do you pick up from Jaz and Krissys approach? I'm asking you because A) you actually talk B) you have your suspicions of me and have been trying to draw a connection between me and frankly the people I've gone after C) The town only has a few hours left to possibly win or lose this thing.
I'm leaving work in a few and heading straight to the NMH concert tonight, so my ability to answer any questions will be spotty - and I definitely won't be around after 8pm EST. I don't know who in this game is bullshitting other than Krissy, but I sincerely hope that the town makes the right decision over the course of the next few hours.
I'm leaving work in a few and heading straight to the NMH concert tonight, so my ability to answer any questions will be spotty - and I definitely won't be around after 8pm EST. I don't know who in this game is bullshitting other than Krissy, but I sincerely hope that the town makes the right decision over the course of the next few hours.
The only ones bullshitting, my dear, are you and Bogart. You know this. Though you're making quite a valiant effort.
I am heading to KY tomorrow and will be gone through Sunday. I should have time to get on tonight to go through the rest of the game as well as respond to any questions.
You missed a vote that would probably had extended day two further if you would have put Jimmy in the runoff. We would of at least gotten more info out of everyone in the runoff from that. Now you are alluding to thoughts you've had yet being very vague, and potentially leading. Please elaborate what you are referring to.
I get the feeling we have had a mutual suspicion of each other for a few days now, so I'm curious: What do you make of all this? It's completely possible that either Krissy or Jazmo are mafia, and it is still entirely possible that I'm mafia - per your perspective. What do you pick up from Jaz and Krissys approach? I'm asking you because A) you actually talk B) you have your suspicions of me and have been trying to draw a connection between me and frankly the people I've gone after C) The town only has a few hours left to possibly win or lose this thing.
I got off work, got home and caught up with things. I would have requested an extension today if nobody else did, so I was never worried about things ending today. The only way things would of ended today was if we voted off a townsfolk. I still see two scenarios that could occur that would extend things. 1 is voting off a mafasio, 2 would be going into a runoff.
After looking at all of a single individuals posts for the people still alive and dead I have come to something that I will address to the town now.
It is my belief that jfg108 was our inspector. Now all the townfolk do me a favor and read through all of Jfg's posts. Here is the link, I can quote some of his stuff later tonight but I want people to read what he says from start to finish. His posts when read through, just screams to me of being inspector. And he left plenty of breadcrumbs for us to follow, he more or less says that Krissy and Jazmo were mafia and what do you know, he was the next whack. I will come back later tonight to add more. But I want to see people give me their thoughts. I want to see what Dr. Joe, surfbumdj, and bogart have to say but I also want to hear from you as well taint. I have a predominant theory as to who the third mafia is, but I am not divulging that as of now. Listing anyone specifically at this point would hurt the town and I only want to highlight what I feel strongly about.
Farris - so if I'm reading your post correctly, you believe Jazmo and I are mafia together with an unnamed third who I'm assuming is alive otherwise I see no harm in naming them.
If that's the case, what point would there be for me to fake inspector? And it's not like my back was against a wall when I revealed myself. There were still outstanding votes as well as lots of time left in the day. What benefit is it to me, in your theory, to fake inspector right now?
I'm now looking very strongly at Farris as the third mafia with Jazmo and Bogart.
But if you guys think Jazmo, Bogart, and Farris are correct in their accusation of me being mafia, by all means - lynch your inspector and watch the town lose.
Maybe I didn't play the way everyone thinks an inspector should play. It's my first time with the role. I'm pretty damn proud of myself for living through to Day 3. I don't think many inspectors are able to do that.
I'm now looking very strongly at Farris as the third mafia with Jazmo and Bogart.
But if you guys think Jazmo, Bogart, and Farris are correct in their accusation of me being mafia, by all means - lynch your inspector and watch the town lose.
Maybe I didn't play the way everyone thinks an inspector should play. It's my first time with the role. I'm pretty damn proud of myself for living through to Day 3. I don't think many inspectors are able to do that.
I've gone through all the voting posts to catch up, so I have one handy; by my count:
4 - Potent (JFG, Jimmyroo, Krissy, Jaz)
3 - Jaz (Jim, Bogart, Potent)
3 - Krissy (Farris, Tainted, Rummaging)
1 - Rummaging (Surf)
I re-read the thread quickly, and I would rather see a Potent / Jaz run off, as some one else mentioned. But I would rather see a Krissy / Jaz / Potent run off.
JFG108 > Potent > Rummaging
If my count is right, that should leave Jaz, Krissy and Potent with three votes each. If my count is off, I would vote null to achieve the same outcome.
I meant potent / jaz rather than potent / krissy in a two person run off; sorry for the confusion.
)The point of letting you know that this one is going to be shorter, and more up to date.
