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Analyzed individually, I don't find the smileys particularly strange. But 8 used in pretty quick succession came off as a little odd to me. Maybe that's a bullshit reason, but first round, aren't most reasons somewhat BS/unfounded?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Krissy - I find you and Jazmo to be equally concerning, though Jazmo has obviously taken a back seat in this round and I am sadly limited to only one vote. My suspicions for you are based on your general demeanor, your excessive use of the smiley's at the end of what I perceived to attempted influential posts, and your approach to reminding people yesterday on a couple posts (as I recall) that 1) this is how many people are in the runoff and 2) this is who you believe should be in and 3) you don't want to be in a 4) what does anyone else think? all of those thoughts, when combined and repeated, set off an alarm. This is all brought together by the final reason, which is that I am indeed town and as a result am trying to think as objectively as possible so as to not witch hunt townies - Even when being objective, your approach has managed to be (to me) as if not more suspicious than the people who have stayed more or less silent.
1. My General Demeanor Explain what that means, please. Am I talking too much for your liking on Day 1? Am I not talking enough? Am I not posting things that you see as beneficial? Is it because I have a lighthearted approach to the game?
2. Smiley's - Explained previously.
3. My approach to reminding people of (a) how many people are in the runoff, (b) who I feel should be in the runoff, (c) that I don't want to be in a runoff, (d) asking for others thoughts
(a) Most of my games on Day 1 have me talking about how many people are in the runoff. I think it's an important thing to see who wants larger runoffs and who wants smaller runoffs. I'm of the opinion that larger runoffs work better for the town and inspector as it gives more chances to for conversation as well as see voting patterns.
(b) Why is it odd to state who I'd like to see in a runoff? It shows people where my head is at and gives them the ability to agree or disagree, as well as possibly take a look at people they may not be considering.
(c) Who really *wants* to be in a runoff? However, if you recall, I also stated a couple times that if me being in the runoff is what the town wants, then I am fine with that. There's very little to go off of on Day 1, so I feel it's generally a crapshoot - except for the mafia having the upper hand by knowing exactly who is mafia and who isn't.
(d) Asking for other people's opinions. Seriously? This is suspicious? Wanting people to talk instead of sit back quietly? I can understand if all I've been posting was "Hey people - you should talk!" but I'm pretty sure I've been quite substantial in my posts.
**** If you can tell, I have zero problems with explaining my actions. I've been very vocal and have done my best to keep discussions going. I understand that by posting a lot, inevitably people find something to be suspicious about. However, every reason you've posted is weak, imo.
Now, since you've stated why you're suspicious of me - for shits and giggles - do the same for the rest in the runoff. I'd love to see that from everyone, honestly.
Analyzed individually, I don't find the smileys particularly strange. But 8 used in pretty quick succession came off as a little odd to me. Maybe that's a bullshit reason, but first round, aren't most reasons somewhat BS/unfounded?
Careful - You're at 5 at your own smiley count... 3 of which were in the last couple pages you're close to be suspicious yourself by that logic.
(this is sarcasm and typically where I'd post a smiley face. Just fyi)
Krissy - I find you and Jazmo to be equally concerning, though Jazmo has obviously taken a back seat in this round and I am sadly limited to only one vote. My suspicions for you are based on your general demeanor, your excessive use of the smiley's at the end of what I perceived to attempted influential posts, and your approach to reminding people yesterday on a couple posts (as I recall) that 1) this is how many people are in the runoff and 2) this is who you believe should be in and 3) you don't want to be in a 4) what does anyone else think? all of those thoughts, when combined and repeated, set off an alarm. This is all brought together by the final reason, which is that I am indeed town and as a result am trying to think as objectively as possible so as to not witch hunt townies - Even when being objective, your approach has managed to be (to me) as if not more suspicious than the people who have stayed more or less silent.
1. My General Demeanor Explain what that means, please. Am I talking too much for your liking on Day 1? Am I not talking enough? Am I not posting things that you see as beneficial? Is it because I have a lighthearted approach to the game?
2. Smiley's - Explained previously.
3. My approach to reminding people of (a) how many people are in the runoff, (b) who I feel should be in the runoff, (c) that I don't want to be in a runoff, (d) asking for others thoughts
(a) Most of my games on Day 1 have me talking about how many people are in the runoff. I think it's an important thing to see who wants larger runoffs and who wants smaller runoffs. I'm of the opinion that larger runoffs work better for the town and inspector as it gives more chances to for conversation as well as see voting patterns.
(b) Why is it odd to state who I'd like to see in a runoff? It shows people where my head is at and gives them the ability to agree or disagree, as well as possibly take a look at people they may not be considering.
(c) Who really *wants* to be in a runoff? However, if you recall, I also stated a couple times that if me being in the runoff is what the town wants, then I am fine with that. There's very little to go off of on Day 1, so I feel it's generally a crapshoot - except for the mafia having the upper hand by knowing exactly who is mafia and who isn't.
(d) Asking for other people's opinions. Seriously? This is suspicious? Wanting people to talk instead of sit back quietly? I can understand if all I've been posting was "Hey people - you should talk!" but I'm pretty sure I've been quite substantial in my posts.
**** If you can tell, I have zero problems with explaining my actions. I've been very vocal and have done my best to keep discussions going. I understand that by posting a lot, inevitably people find something to be suspicious about. However, every reason you've posted is weak, imo.
Now, since you've stated why you're suspicious of me - for shits and giggles - do the same for the rest in the runoff. I'd love to see that from everyone, honestly.
I have no shits and giggles to give for the other people in the runoff. Hence, I've only voted for you. I appreciate that you see my approach as weak, though how you see things means very little to me. I've provided valid, albeit difficult to comprehend, reasons for voting for you throughout this game. Even in the beginning, you said my reasoning was ridiculous. I then elaborated, and explained that there was actually validity in my approach to voting for you (see my first vote and subsequent validation of vote for further detail), which was then dismissed. After reading your rebuttal to each of my concerns about you, I feel no more sure that you're town. This is our first game together, so I don't have any basis of reading you or your individualistic approach to playing mafia, sufficient to say it has caused alarms to go off in my head that have lent and continued to lend validation to my belief that you are mafia.
Analyzed individually, I don't find the smileys particularly strange. But 8 used in pretty quick succession came off as a little odd to me. Maybe that's a bullshit reason, but first round, aren't most reasons somewhat BS/unfounded?
Careful - You're at 5 at your own smiley count... 3 of which were in the last couple pages you're close to be suspicious yourself by that logic.
(this is sarcasm and typically where I'd post a smiley face. Just fyi)
I'm personally a fan of the smileys, tbh. But as we all know, this is first round - our reasons might be total BS. "Might," as in, probably are. I'm not saying that I have all these well-crafted rationalizations for why I'm super confident that you are a member of the Mafia. You just seem like as good a guess as any at this point. And you've spoken a fair amount, so it is possible to go through your posts and find moments that ~could~ be suspect. Like Jaz , I wish I had more to work off of from the silent crew, but right now, looks like they aren't gonna speak up.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by Tainted Opossum on Apr 1, 2015 15:26:47 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. Given, even a broken clock is right twice a day. I didn't have laser focus on you at the beginning of the game, this took time and lots of your cooperation via communication to form.
Jim I'm also interested in your reasoning for clearing potent (you may have answered that by the time I finished typing this, but I wanted to express my desire in seeing your response as well).
I've been quieter this round because I've pretty much heard what I want to hear from Rummy, Krissy, and potent at this point - it's our quieter players I want to hear from, and their inactivity makes it difficult for me to engage with them. I'm also very interested in seeing where potent and bogart place their votes. I have the mild beginnings of a theory or two brewing, but I want to see where the votes go before I voice them. It's too easy for me to get wrapped up in my own theories and end up getting tunnelvision.
*I will preface this post by saying I had typed most of this before Krissy changed votes again so I added onto what I had said with updated info and changed points where necessary.*
Potent had very little choice in this round once Rummy took her vote off Jazmo and put it on Krissy. So where he puts his vote for me is pretty simple. Barring any outstanding vote changes, it's Bogarts choice of either Jaz or Potent in a 3 way with Krissy and Rummy. But now that Krissy changed votes, this gave both potent and bogart options for who to choose, more or less throwing the ball back in potents court. I think that move by Krissy is as sketchy as you can get at this point in the game.
Jaz, you have made a couple references to theory's, this most recent one following a reference to your interest in how the voting goes down with Bogart and Potent. As I explained above, there isn't much choice, when Rummy and Krissy made their votes early, it didn't leave many more paths to follow. I don't know what theory's would be influenced by such little choice at the end of the round, Bogart hasn't said much and the other voters gave potent the easy choice of only you. You're post would have made more sense had you said it after Krissy changed her vote.
By no means am I clearing anybody of being mafia. With all this taken into consideration, I prefer the runoff be Krissy, Rummy, and Jaz.
P.S. Son of a Beek if you are a townie (which I am not saying you are) than you trying to instigate people (as in myself) for something similar to something you are doing is a bad strategy for the towns health. It also looks bad on your behalf when you clear someone so early and blatantly like you did with potent. Remember, word choice is key to getting your point across to a group.
Jim I'm also interested in your reasoning for clearing potent (you may have answered that by the time I finished typing this, but I wanted to express my desire in seeing your response as well).
I've been quieter this round because I've pretty much heard what I want to hear from Rummy, Krissy, and potent at this point - it's our quieter players I want to hear from, and their inactivity makes it difficult for me to engage with them. I'm also very interested in seeing where potent and bogart place their votes. I have the mild beginnings of a theory or two brewing, but I want to see where the votes go before I voice them. It's too easy for me to get wrapped up in my own theories and end up getting tunnelvision.
*I will preface this post by saying I had typed most of this before Krissy changed votes again so I added onto what I had said with updated info and changed points where necessary.*
Potent had very little choice in this round once Rummy took her vote off Jazmo and put it on Krissy. So where he puts his vote for me is pretty simple. Barring any outstanding vote changes, it's Bogarts choice of either Jaz or Potent in a 3 way with Krissy and Rummy. But now that Krissy changed votes, this gave both potent and bogart options for who to choose, more or less throwing the ball back in potents court. I think that move by Krissy is as sketchy as you can get at this point in the game.
Jaz, you have made a couple references to theory's, this most recent one following a reference to your interest in how the voting goes down with Bogart and Potent. As I explained above, there isn't much choice, when Rummy and Krissy made their votes early, it didn't leave many more paths to follow. I don't know what theory's would be influenced by such little choice at the end of the round, Bogart hasn't said much and the other voters gave potent the easy choice of only you. You're post would have made more sense had you said it after Krissy changed her vote.
By no means am I clearing anybody of being mafia. With all this taken into consideration, I prefer the runoff be Krissy, Rummy, and Jaz.
P.S. Son of a Beek if you are a townie (which I am not saying you are) than you trying to instigate people (as in myself) for something similar to something you are doing is a bad strategy for the towns health. It also looks bad on your behalf when you clear someone so early and blatantly like you did with potent. Remember, word choice is key to getting your point across to a group.
Agreed. If Jim was up for vote in the run-off, I might be taking a different avenue here. "Clearing" potent was maybe the sketchiest comment of the game so far.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Sorry - I realize that read as though bogart and potent are in the runoff. I meant those as two separate thoughts. Bogart and Potent are the outstanding votes, so I'd like to hear their thoughts on the runoff.
I have this feeling that if one of the Mafia were in the run off, his/her fellow Mafia members might be a little more vocal towards promoting the vote-off of someone not in their crew. Idk, the silence is eerie and kinda makes me feel that the run off does not include any Mafia, that they're off chilling to the side and letting this go down as it will because none of their team is in danger of being hacked this round.
I'm not even saying this with any relevance to the fact that I'm on the chopping block. Just thought of it now, though.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I'm sorry guys and girls. The 1st is the busiest day of the month for me bar none. I'm typing this on my phone since I saw all the notifications. let me get home look at things and post a reply.
Jim I'm also interested in your reasoning for clearing potent (you may have answered that by the time I finished typing this, but I wanted to express my desire in seeing your response as well).
I've been quieter this round because I've pretty much heard what I want to hear from Rummy, Krissy, and potent at this point - it's our quieter players I want to hear from, and their inactivity makes it difficult for me to engage with them. I'm also very interested in seeing where potent and bogart place their votes. I have the mild beginnings of a theory or two brewing, but I want to see where the votes go before I voice them. It's too easy for me to get wrapped up in my own theories and end up getting tunnelvision.
*I will preface this post by saying I had typed most of this before Krissy changed votes again so I added onto what I had said with updated info and changed points where necessary.*
Potent had very little choice in this round once Rummy took her vote off Jazmo and put it on Krissy. So where he puts his vote for me is pretty simple. Barring any outstanding vote changes, it's Bogarts choice of either Jaz or Potent in a 3 way with Krissy and Rummy. But now that Krissy changed votes, this gave both potent and bogart options for who to choose, more or less throwing the ball back in potents court. I think that move by Krissy is as sketchy as you can get at this point in the game.
Jaz, you have made a couple references to theory's, this most recent one following a reference to your interest in how the voting goes down with Bogart and Potent. As I explained above, there isn't much choice, when Rummy and Krissy made their votes early, it didn't leave many more paths to follow. I don't know what theory's would be influenced by such little choice at the end of the round, Bogart hasn't said much and the other voters gave potent the easy choice of only you. You're post would have made more sense had you said it after Krissy changed her vote.
By no means am I clearing anybody of being mafia. With all this taken into consideration, I prefer the runoff be Krissy, Rummy, and Jaz.
P.S. Son of a Beek if you are a townie (which I am not saying you are) than you trying to instigate people (as in myself) for something similar to something you are doing is a bad strategy for the towns health. It also looks bad on your behalf when you clear someone so early and blatantly like you did with potent. Remember, word choice is key to getting your point across to a group.
Yes, I said that I wanted to see where the votes go before sharing my thoughts (because as you implied, the timing of posts makes a difference) - but that does not mean that my thoughts hinge on where bogart and potent put theirs. I meant that I want to see some movement overall and see how that plays into what I'm thinking. That includes votes before and/or after potent and bogart's.
It's also worth pointing out that I don't take my own - or anyone else's - first-round theories too seriously. The first round is always based on very little. The whack helps a bunch in terms of evidence.
I have this feeling that if one of the Mafia were in the run off, his/her fellow Mafia members might be a little more vocal towards promoting the vote-off of someone not in their crew. Idk, the silence is eerie and kinda makes me feel that the run off does not include any Mafia, that they're off chilling to the side and letting this go down as it will because none of their team is in danger of being hacked this round.
I'm not even saying this with any relevance to the fact that I'm on the chopping block. Just thought of it now, though.
This is why I'm wary of Jim "clearing" potent, as well as Tainted gunning for Krissy for really shaky reasons - especially considering that potent was the one who moved his vote to save Tainted from being in the runoff.
Also I'm leaving work now and have a busy night ahead of me so I won't be on much until late tonight. Just wanted to give everyone the heads up in case I appear to go inactive.
Lastly, I'm going to vote null for the time being because out of the three other people in the runoff I suspect Rummy the least right now. I'm most suspicious of potent but I don't want to push him up to four votes until he and bogart (AND HOPEFULLY ALL THESE QUIET PEOPLE) have their say. Sorry for the multiple posts.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Pretty shocked people keep switching their votes as much as they are.
Why? Do you think people should vote once and not move?
We are in round 2 of day 1. Yes it's kind of early for this many vote switches from all over IMO. We still don't have lots to go on, which has been stated by people that then switch their votes as if there was something more to go off of.
I am not saying people switching votes is sketchy, although it is eye raising. It's the context of the situation that makes certain things go off for me.
Post by Tainted Opossum on Apr 1, 2015 17:17:21 GMT -5
Can you guys catch me up on why Jim's half assed dismissal of potent is that alarming and sketchy? I'm just surprised and trying to understand the shock value of it. I'm absolutely open to finding out more of the why and am in no way defending Jim
Can you guys catch me up on why Jim's half assed dismissal of potent is that alarming and sketchy? I'm just surprised and trying to understand the shock value of it. I'm absolutely open to finding out more of the why and am in no way defending Jim
Why should anyone (or, clarification, any TOWNIE) be able to clear someone this early in the game/be so sure of declaring what any participant is or is not.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by Tainted Opossum on Apr 1, 2015 17:34:03 GMT -5
I just read it as he was clearing that person for this particular vote, and used weak language in doing so. I can see where everyone is coming from, but playing devils advocate helps to poke holes if necessary. I'm not dismissing the possibility of jim being mafia, but if he is his approach doesn't entirely click with what I'd expect mafia to do. I'll go back and read the thread with the approach that jim is mafia and share any worthy observation
First, I would like Jim to address why he believes Potent is now in the "clear." Jim's silence on this issue, after several players have raised a concern with that statement, is troubling. In fact, I find his silence on this fair and legitimate question as troubling as his statement itself.
Second, I want to address Rummy's concerns about people being silent. There is no hard and fast rule that you can apply to every single "silent" player. It's a matter of context and you need to consider what motives any given player has for being silent. (Conversely, you should consider what motives any given player has for being "loud").
I'd say that generally it's fine to be concerned about players who are being ultra quiet. Almost every single game I've played, there has been at least one very quiet mafia. The problem is that often times the inspector is also trying to lay low so that he/she can survive. That's also common among some players who are simply town and view their survival as benefiting the town. (Note: It's also common for there to be an "active" mafia who is either trying to sway votes one way, or to take heat off of their mafia teammates).
The problem, obviously, becomes figuring out who is who. Personally, I believe that focusing on votes and peoples motives for certain votes or statements is the key to solving that puzzle.
I have this feeling that if one of the Mafia were in the run off, his/her fellow Mafia members might be a little more vocal towards promoting the vote-off of someone not in their crew. Idk, the silence is eerie and kinda makes me feel that the run off does not include any Mafia, that they're off chilling to the side and letting this go down as it will because none of their team is in danger of being hacked this round.
I'm not even saying this with any relevance to the fact that I'm on the chopping block. Just thought of it now, though.
This is why I'm wary of Jim "clearing" potent, as well as Tainted gunning for Krissy for really shaky reasons - especially considering that potent was the one who moved his vote to save Tainted from being in the runoff.
Jaz before I post my thoughts I have a question for you. Why do you think Potent initially saved you from being in the runoff?
