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Based on who Jaz was most vocal about with his vote:
Carini>>>Billy
Farris- I'll respond to you properly when I get to a cpu in couple hours, wanted to vote now to spark the discussion
Is it really that common for an inspector to vote in round 1 for whomever he has the name of (e.h. here, hypothetically, Jaz as inpsector voting for the name he had: Billy), and then for the Mafia to kill the suspected inspector immediately after such a vote? That just seems to me like a really easy path to trace - so I find it a little confusing that players seem to paint that line of logic. Please explain if/how I'm wrong though - still trying to learn some aspects of strategy of this game.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Hard to say, every inspector plays different. I know 90% of our day 1 convo as mafia was who we thought was inspector so unless they really had no idea at all Jaz must have done or said something to get on their radar
I don't think being inspector in one game dictates how you will be inspector the next game you are inspector............. but Jazmo was inspector in game 74. He only lasted 1 day but he voted for surfbum who was not his given name. Carini was.
Food for thought.
In game 74, was Surf one of the three though - which would serve as an example of when Mafia did indeed whack someone day 1 because they voted for a correct candidate of Mafioso?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Sorry Mr. Baroo, but you're too good at slipping through games unsuspected. I have no suspicions of you (too early in the game for that), but I'd like to see more heat on you than you usually get.
Jaz makes sure to iterate that he doesn't really have any suspicions of Billy, just that he'd like to ensure that he doesn't fall through the cracks as apparently has happened in previous games. If we were to take the spin of Jaz potentially having been the inspector, I wouldn't take this comment to mean much at all. Unless he was nudging the town to turn our attentions to Billy throughout the rounds/days, in case he didn't make it far enough to help us along in doing that. I guess that's a possibility, yes.
This was pretty much a toss-up for me. I was originally going to vote for Tejas since he voted for me, but after look at the votes I saw how it would look if Slack and I voted for each other, and then moved both our votes onto Tejas. No bueno. If Slack then noticed this as well, he might feel compelled to move his vote off of Tejas - likely to me in order to erase suspicions of a Slack/Jazmo connection. So I'm voting for Carini largely for self-preservation reasons, since I have no greater suspicion of either of them.
He doesn't say that Carini has done anything to really warrant his vote, just that it was a toss up and realized that "for self-preservation reasons," he'd go with Carini. Again, if considering the notion that Jaz was inspector after all, this post doesn't give me much insight or point me in a direction - towards OR against Carini.
I wrote those thoughts out to bounce the ideas around but want to assert that I don't really think Jaz was inspector; doesn't add up, IMO.
Looking back at Jaz's posts pre-whack, nothing seems particularly inflammatory; he wasn't participating in any of the back-and-forth vote switching really, and he wasn't pointing fingers strongly either. I find it a kind of confusing choice from the Mafia to whack Jaz for Day 1, after looking back through posts just now, but I'm sure there's a big piece to the puzzle missing/hidden here that would allow it to make more sense to me.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Also inspectors often try to leave some kind of breadcrumbs to trace in case they get whacked
I don't find this to be true all the time or even most of the time. The mafia is much more focused on finding breadcrumbs for inspector as they happen than the town as the town is trying to out the mafia more than identify the inspector.
I agree that if you or anyone else feels that Jaz was whacked for being the inspector or under the suspicion of inspector, as his post where he votes for me and says I skate through too often sure makes me look bad.
Given that Jaz has played with different styles each game, it isn't easy to assume his role. I felt like he was playing differently than the last time we played together, which was one of the cornerstones of my suspicion. I was proven wrong, but if he was Inspector it leaves us in a little deeper water. Billy it's really easy to stage early in the game so I don't personally feel like what is mentioned above makes you look any worse. Not any better, but not any worse.
I don't think being inspector in one game dictates how you will be inspector the next game you are inspector............. but Jazmo was inspector in game 74. He only lasted 1 day but he voted for surfbum who was not his given name. Carini was.
Food for thought.
True he didn't vote for me but he did leave a potential trail
Farris - try as I might after rereading our exchange I don't have anything further to add. Perhaps my theory has run its course (with you) and nobody seemed to be on board. I'm not 100% sold on Tejas obviously but it is still in my head
The scenario I I think most probably with Jaz was that he was onto something - whoever he was voting for, and the stuff he was saying, mafia didn't like it and and wanted to shut him up. I think we have reason to believe Jaz would have been dead in the first few days, there were too many suspicions (including mine) .. even though they were wrong, and one more day would have cost mafia in some way which is why they took it upon themselves to accelerate that process. Now for mafia, I keep re reading the thread and come back to Slack, Potent, Tainted and Tejas. But I'm still trying to find a combination that jives. Slack and Potent could be fighting for show, but until I figure that out I think billy brings forward a very argument. Doesn't make sense how Tainted voted; plus the whack was his original vote before the Carini-Tejas runoff. Why not vote for Tejas? I think Carini demonstrates more townie-ness than Tejas has. Trying to save a mafioso..? Lastly - I'm gonna throw another name in here, but Rummy. I don't like the things you post, a lot of filler. Unnecessary comments like the ice cream thing, and "tally city up in here". I feel like you're trying to distract in some way, so I'm watching you too.
For now.... Miffy > Slack > Tainted
*Fuck this quoting thing I can't figure it out/don't have time to go through the thread looking for that shit. Also y'all should now this is like the week from hell at work. I'm one of 4 supervisors - not only did one's husband pass away last week, another's 19 year old daughter in law was in a serious crash yesterday and is currently in critical condition. She underwent a 6 hour surgery this morning to remove her spleen, fix her collapsed diaphragm, bolted her legs/straightened out her snapped femur, "fix" her shattered pelvis, bring her bowels back out from her stomach and the list goes on. She was literally crushed and drifts in and out of consciousness, her heart stopping when she falls asleep. SO all that to say my schedule is now a guideline and I'll most likely be picking up more shifts again. Therefore if I'm quieter it's probably because I'm on my tenth hour at work, crying in a closet somewhere.
I don't feel confident in either of the people left, though I suppose its a day 1 standard. You've both flubbed up in simple ways, we all do, and I honestly found Jaz to leave more general suspicion. Going back to one, I feel like Tejas got the finger for something we'd all do, though you two have both said things that raise flags.
Tainted > Carini
And here are the votes at the time Tainted makes his post. Again the words in the post are unedited but I have added emphasis in bold:
So to recap my point, Tainted is one of 3 outstanding votes. He mentions suspicion of 1 person who is no longer in the runoff and then VOTES WITH THAT PERSON. Seems kinda suspicious and if the mafia were already aware of who they planned to whack this post could have been a distancing move. For me votes speak louder than words. Tainted words went one direction and his vote went another. Consider me suspicious of that.
Billybaroo > Taint
This still reads to me like he suspects Tainted because he voted along with Jazmo.
I understand that Billy is arguing that this could be a distancing move. But let me ask you this Billy, if mafia already knew that they were voting to kill Jaz, why do you think that was? Why would they feel the need to kill Jazmo instead of anyone else?
As of now, I just find it to be a tenuous argument. Although I don't mind Tainted being in the runoff, I think that you belong there as well.
Also, and I guess this is where my confusion stems from, I don't understand who you think Tainted is distancing himself from.
If he's distancing himself from Jazmo, that doesn't make sense. Mafia try to distance themselves from each other, and you already stated that you're not arguing that Jazmo was mafia.
The only other person left would be Carini, since that's who Tainted voted for. But if Tainted was distancing himself from Carini, why would he have wavered on his vote and said that he's suspicious of Jazmo too? Also, if Tainted and Carini were mafia together, why would Tainted have tossed Carini into the runoff when he had a clear out with Jazmo? It just doesn't make sense to me.
The scenario I I think most probably with Jaz was that he was onto something - whoever he was voting for, and the stuff he was saying, mafia didn't like it and and wanted to shut him up. I think we have reason to believe Jaz would have been dead in the first few days, there were too many suspicions (including mine) .. even though they were wrong, and one more day would have cost mafia in some way which is why they took it upon themselves to accelerate that process. Now for mafia, I keep re reading the thread and come back to Slack, Potent, Tainted and Tejas. But I'm still trying to find a combination that jives. Slack and Potent could be fighting for show, but until I figure that out I think billy brings forward a very argument. Doesn't make sense how Tainted voted; plus the whack was his original vote before the Carini-Tejas runoff. Why not vote for Tejas? I think Carini demonstrates more townie-ness than Tejas has. Trying to save a mafioso..? Lastly - I'm gonna throw another name in here, but Rummy. I don't like the things you post, a lot of filler. Unnecessary comments like the ice cream thing, and "tally city up in here". I feel like you're trying to distract in some way, so I'm watching you too.
For now.... Miffy > Slack > Tainted
*Fuck this quoting thing I can't figure it out/don't have time to go through the thread looking for that shit. Also y'all should now this is like the week from hell at work. I'm one of 4 supervisors - not only did one's husband pass away last week, another's 19 year old daughter in law was in a serious crash yesterday and is currently in critical condition. She underwent a 6 hour surgery this morning to remove her spleen, fix her collapsed diaphragm, bolted her legs/straightened out her snapped femur, "fix" her shattered pelvis, bring her bowels back out from her stomach and the list goes on. She was literally crushed and drifts in and out of consciousness, her heart stopping when she falls asleep. SO all that to say my schedule is now a guideline and I'll most likely be picking up more shifts again. Therefore if I'm quieter it's probably because I'm on my tenth hour at work, crying in a closet somewhere.
I'm on my phone which is always a bitch and a half to try and quote from, so I'm going to write a longer/more detailed post later this afternoon when I get to the office (I have meetings outside the office til 3ish), but for now I just wanted to address the game play style comment. That's a totally fair observation and you are free to draw whatever assumptions you deem fit from the things you noted above about my playing style, but I kind of want to state this as a general notion in regards to me playing this game: I'm always gonna make an occasional joke, and that isn't meant to detract from the content at hand or confuse people with extra posts or anything like that. But this is a game after all and I'm having fun playing, and of course posting lots of filler off topic shit is NOT conducive to the game, and I don't think I've been doing that (last game I kinda did, which was a beginner's mistake)....but making one joke here or there at the start of day 1 when we are just getting the ball rolling (e.g. When I made the ice cream comment), yes, I am okay playing around a little bit like that and will be in future games too and it has no real reflection on my position as mafia or town or inspector or whomever.
I wanted to say that because I don't feel that I'll change that in future games, that tendency to make just a couple jokes here and there (but not to go overboard), and that's just how I wanna play.
Also, Mif - totally and completely separate from the game for a moment, I'm sending you a hug; so sorry you're having all that go on!
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
That's fair Rummy 500 , it's probably at my disadvantage but a) I don't know you people as well as you may know each other, and b) haven't really been checking past threads.. so my hypotheses are probably a little off. Relying heavily on intuition. Play as you wish, I have no problem with it to be honest. I just find you very chatty even without the jokes.
That's fair Rummy 500 , it's probably at my disadvantage but a) I don't know you people as well as you may know each other, and b) haven't really been checking past threads.. so my hypotheses are probably a little off. Relying heavily on intuition. Play as you wish, I have no problem with it to be honest. I just find you very chatty even without the jokes.
Again, all totally fair and reasonable for you to make those observations and find potential rationales for why I play how I do, or for why anyone plays as they do, for that matter. As for my chattiness...just ask Farris for reference of whether I'm like this in real life too (hint: I am).
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Based on who Jaz was most vocal about with his vote:
Carini>>>Billy
Farris- I'll respond to you properly when I get to a cpu in couple hours, wanted to vote now to spark the discussion
Question: for the other two who currently have their votes on Billy (Tainted Opossum and Dr. Joe), is this your base reasoning as well? Voting for Billy because Jaz was most vocal about his suspicions towards him?
I understand that Billy is arguing that this could be a distancing move.
But let me ask you this Billy, if mafia already knew that they were voting to kill Jaz, why do you think that was? Why would they feel the need to kill Jazmo instead of anyone else?
As of now, I just find it to be a tenuous argument. Although I don't mind Tainted being in the runoff, I think that you belong there as well.
That is something I have been wondering myself. I have a piece of information that others don't and that is my knowledge of my role (townie, please believe me) in this game. So I'm left to look at the other people Jazmo voted for in slack and carini. I see reasons for both of them to potentially be mafia but I also see reasons that they could be town. I am almost always wrong on Carini. When I think Carini is town, he is mafia. When I think Carini is mafia, he is town. And right now I don't have a strong read on what Carini is so I don't even know what that means. I am more suspicious of slack out of the 2 of them but that suspicion is not strong.
So why Jaz? I have two thoughts. Thought 1:Either slack and/or carini are mafia. Thought 2: is that slack, carini, and I are all town and the mafia was clueless as to the inspector on day 1. They saw Jaz was getting a lot of heat and while if I was mafia, I would want Jaz around for day 2 to get heat maybe the mafia thought the whack of Jaz would bring heat on to slack, carini, and myself. 3 of the more veteran players in this game and that the mafia could get a veteran player lynched on Day 2 by a misdirection in the whack.
I don't necessarily feel strong about either theory and don't even have a guess as to which one I'd say is right.
I'm glad you brought this point up. As I've stated a couple times already, I don't see the Jazmo whack as particularly indicative of him being Inspector - but then that left me with the question of, okay then why did the Mafia choose him for the day 1 kill? Some are saying "well maybe he wasn't inspector but still said something that worried that Mafia, so they wanted to go ahead and shut him up sooner rather than later," but I quoted a couple of Jazmo's most direct posts on the matter - last page, I think - and I can't find much in them that screams out "oh! this could've been what worried the Mafia."
Your idea referenced in "Thought 2" (where I bolded) makes a lot of sense to me. If NONE of the grouping of slack, carini, Jaz, or Billy are mafia (which seems unlikely, statistically speaking, to me that none of them are, since I know that I am town and so then that'd be 5 right there definitively town - doesn't leave much wiggle room for non-Mafia status for the remaining folks), then this idea could really really make sense, as the Jaz whack did indeed bring some heat to slack, carini, and Billy after day 1 wrapped. And now Billy is definitely advancing to the next run-off, so that makes me seriously consider that perhaps that's what the Mafia wants - and maybe even wanted all along, starting with the Jaz kill. Or, Billy is in fact Mafia and his other two aren't doing the best job at keeping him safe as of now. Could be either way. But the veteran comment sparked some ideas in my brain for sure.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
It's certainly a factor. Another factor is Billy's theory, which smells like BS to me, off point, and blown out of proportion.
Which theory, the one about whacking an experienced player on day 1 and then paving the way to hopefully achieving the same on day 2? It is by no means a foolproof theory, but I don't get what's so definitively BS about it.
I'm asking these questions of those who currently have their vote on Billy so as to make sure I'm not missing some big red flag here that might warrant me to move my vote between now and 9 pm tonight
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Along with the whack and what has transpired so far, I think Billy is most suspicious. He's a good player and to come out completely ignoring the whack and voting for Tainted seemed inconsistent with what he should be doing as a townie.
I don't see much reason why Jaz, if he was inspector, would place his first vote on a mafia so I'm not too worried right now about slack.
Carini I really don't know, but I don't mind that he's voting for Farris because that guy has pretty much posted nothing this game and that is always shady.
For those reasons, Billy is the most suspicious guy that Jazmo voted for and my vote is going on him.
Then when I broke it down in a pretty detailed post. He followed it up with the same point again.
I'll reread later before bed. I admittedly didn't read 100% thoroughly because I get discouraged by incredibly long posts, especially when I'm on lunch break.
Thanks for calling me out multiple times while barely skimming my argument. Great gameplay Jimmyroo
I realize it involves me and my opinion is going to go one way regardless given that I also know my role, but I'm still vague on the dots that you've connected in order to point the finger in my direction.
The back and forth between Jimmy and Billy yesterday wasn't the easiest thing to analyze/try to make sense of. I'm left feeling like probably one of them is mafia while the other isn't, but I'm not sure which one to lean towards being Maf and which one as Town. or, also quite likely, they are both town and just having a combative moment for no reason beyond trying to prove their own, true town statuses. I could shift my vote over to Billy and see what happens in result. But I still am just not seeing much to convince me into wanting to do that. Meh, I'll revisit this tomorrow and assert vote then probably.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by potentpotables on Jul 12, 2015 17:36:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty torn on this vote. I've re-read the thread a few times this weekend, and I still don't know what to do.
I appreciate the time Billy has taken to painstakingly lay out his theory. However, I think Billy's theory boils down to one aspect - if Taint was suspicious of Jazmo, why did he vote the same was as Jaz on day 1? I can't answer that, but I'm not sure that is dispositive for me.
With that said, I appreciate the work that Billy has put in, and I think Taint hasn't really put the same effort in. Billy's effort is going to help us win this game. My vote is not locked by any means and could change, but for the time being...
I'm pretty torn on this vote. I've re-read the thread a few times this weekend, and I still don't know what to do.
I appreciate the time Billy has taken to painstakingly lay out his theory. However, I think Billy's theory boils down to one aspect - if Taint was suspicious of Jazmo, why did he vote the same was as Jaz on day 1? I can't answer that, but I'm not sure that is dispositive for me.
With that said, I appreciate the work that Billy has put in, and I think Taint hasn't really put the same effort in. Billy's effort is going to help us win this game. My vote is not locked by any means and could change, but for the time being...
potent >>> taint
What about the Jazmo whack? You know, the only information in this game that we know came directly as a result of mafia conduct? How does that play into your decision?
