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So Dragon, you do realize that if you're indeed a townie, you've essentially just given the Mafia a round, right? If the Mafia whacked you, it would pretty much ensure that I'd be voted off next round. And since I'm town, you've just shot us in the foot.
I'd really like to hope that you're not that terrible, so I'm going to assume that you're Mafia. Everything I type in this post will be under that assumption.
Why go for so obvious a frame? The only way to really make sure I'd be voted off would be to whack you, and if that's the route you're going with, I'd have to assume you're already an in a somewhat advantageous position in this game. I also assume that it's not the case that there are three Mafia alive with two townies in the runoff, otherwise there'd be no need for these shenanigans. This leads me to believe that (again, assuming you're Mafia with plans for you to be whacked this Night), that one Mafia has already been killed (and both in the runoff are townies) or one stands to be killed this round. It also makes me think that one of the Mafia is someone who hasn't really drawn any heat (like NBF or Rothric). If any of what I'm saying is correct and your plan is to whack one of your own (not unheard of in this game, though I haven't seen it personally), then your third Mafia would need to be someone you believe could slip through the rest of the game unscathed.
I'm sure some will say that this idea/theory is ridiculous - and perhaps they're right - but since I know I'm town, your gunning for me so hard is incredibly suspect.
There's a part of me that also thinks that saying the inspector come out is a way for you (as Mafia) to goad them into revealing themselves, but to be honest there's a part of me that thinks it's a good time for the Inspector to come out as well.
That's cool and all, but I suggest you vote for someone who's actually eligible to be voted on.
Nowhere in the rules does it state that my vote must go to someone involved in the runoff.
If nothing nudges, I will have no choice, but I really don't want to vote for either of the People in the runoff.
If you had such a strong conviction why didn't you make more of a case when you could have actually effected change? You were tagged in the thread several times. It seems you could have made an argument then.
I feel like, no matter your role, stunts like this are going to set people up down the line... if there is a down the line.
I've got a feeling his behavior is going to get someone to change votes anyway, but I'd rather it not be because they thought he was trying to pull some shady last minute move.
I've got a feeling his behavior is going to get someone to change votes anyway, but I'd rather it not be because they thought he was trying to pull some shady last minute move.
I'm an idiot. This is the second time this game that round changes have screwed my head up. You're absolutely right.
I've got a feeling his behavior is going to get someone to change votes anyway, but I'd rather it not be because they thought he was trying to pull some shady last minute move.
I'm an idiot. This is the second time this game that round changes have screwed my head up. You're absolutely right.
Nah. Happens to me too. Especially the morning round endings. The only reason using Central time is messing with me is because the board was on central for years and that's what we used for the game then.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I'm an idiot. This is the second time this game that round changes have screwed my head up. You're absolutely right.
Nah. Happens to me too. Especially the morning round endings. The only reason using Central time is messing with me is because the board was on central for years and that's what we used for the game then.
I was confused too when Jaz said that.
But still, Dragon, can't you give any other rationale for your move? Seeing as - as things stand now - it is the pivotal move to decide who gets voted off.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I've got a feeling his behavior is going to get someone to change votes anyway, but I'd rather it not be because they thought he was trying to pull some shady last minute move.
I've thought about changing mine, but since it is pretty clear that people don't trust him at this point, I can't help but wonder whether he might not have chosen based on the assumption that his choice was likely to cause someone to switch. Or maybe I'm just overthinking.
I'm sticking where I'm at and it will be what it will be as far as I'm concerned.
Alright well this has been the strangest game I've played thus far. I know I haven't been very active/participatory myself so I can't really talk - but good luck town.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I've got a feeling his behavior is going to get someone to change votes anyway, but I'd rather it not be because they thought he was trying to pull some shady last minute move.
I've thought about changing mine, but since it is pretty clear that people don't trust him at this point, I can't help but wonder whether he might not have chosen based on the assumption that his choice was likely to cause someone to switch. Or maybe I'm just overthinking.
I'm sticking where I'm at and it will be what it will be as far as I'm concerned.
I just know that I had a gut feeling his behavior could cause a vote change and I wouldn't have blamed someone. I'm not saying that's definitely what happened but I wouldn't call it overthinking.
I've thought about changing mine, but since it is pretty clear that people don't trust him at this point, I can't help but wonder whether he might not have chosen based on the assumption that his choice was likely to cause someone to switch. Or maybe I'm just overthinking.
I'm sticking where I'm at and it will be what it will be as far as I'm concerned.
I just know that I had a gut feeling his behavior could cause a vote change and I wouldn't have blamed someone. I'm not saying that's definitely what happened but I wouldn't call it overthinking.
Yeah, you and Dragon weren't going to change, so it would have either been me or Farris. Now that I think about it, I'm not crazy about the idea that I was voting on the same side as both Farris and Dragon, but oh well, nothing I can do about it now.
Going to have to think this one over, couple different ways I can see this going. Going to be driving for most of the day, but hoping I can get my thoughts down at some this evening.
I can see this going in several directions as well. As I mentioned in a previous post, Dragon being the whack is absolutely not a surprise to me. I'm thinking that Rummy may have been Mafia, since she was in the group that voted opposite of Jimmy and Carini both days, and Dragon was the one who voted her off (assuming that Dragon was indeed town, which I'm not 100% on even though he was the whack - since I've never personally seen a scenario where the Mafia whacked themselves, it's hard for me to imagine the thought process in which they would want to do that from a pure numbers standpoint). Of course, Dragon may have been whacked because of how he was gunning for me (as I said earlier), so his whack may have nothing to do with who he voted for.
As for the remaining players, Rothric and NBF both need to be looked at precisely because they've drawn so little heat. A Mafia always tends to slip thru... SFA deserves a good look simply because he's still alive, and the heat Farris has drawn this game still stands. So I feel like I'm crouched down in my bunker and paranoid of everyone. It'll be a bit before I vote because now there's a lot to weed through.
since I've never personally seen a scenario where the Mafia whacked themselves, it's hard for me to imagine the thought process in which they would want to do that from a pure numbers standpoint).
I think I was part of a mafia once that whacked one of our own. If I'm remembering right, everyone pretty much knew that the person we killed off was a mafia member, and we did it as kind of a hail Mary to take a shot at throwing people off. I don't think it worked. This was quite a long time ago, though, so I may not be remembering this accurately.
Here's where I'm at, when Dragon came out with the whole turn-around on whether what Jaz did at the end of Day 1 was helpful or not and then the whole "we gotta kill off Jaz, it's the only thing to do," I thought he was maybe the inspector and had found out in Night 1 that Jaz was mafia. It seemed like, though, if that was the case, he should have been the whack on Night 2. Because if Jaz was mafia, the mafia would have to figure Dragon was inspector, right? So Dragon not getting whacked on Night 2 could arguably mean that Jaz is not mafia.
If Jaz is mafia, then they could have figured that knocking off Dragon that night would have put a giant target on Jaz's back, so they might have decided not to kill him in order to avoid drawing attention to Jaz, thinking that if Dragon came out as the inspector in Day 3, they might be able to discredit him. But he didn't come out in Day 3, and instead, called for the inspector to come out, which at least superficially indicates he wasn't inspector, although he could have been trying to avoid getting whacked if he really was the inspector.
We know for sure that at least one mafia is dead, and it seems likely at this point that the inspector is dead as well.
It's theoretically possible that Dragon was mafia and was sacrificed to avoid detection, but this doesn't really seem like the right situation for that.
Since we have the weekend, I'm going to try to take some time and reread everything before I vote.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Dec 11, 2015 16:33:18 GMT -5
NBF: I'm pretty sure that game was before I played but I remember it being brought up before by Kel(?). You also hear mention of the mafia whacking one of their own when they fake inspector but I don't even recall that happening anytime recently? I do remember one game where the town was breathing down the mafia's neck and they whacked Sarah to try and throw us off the trail. It didn't work at all.
So it would be very rare move. It's also one I don't see much reason in pulling in this situation.
If Tainted was Mafia, there would be two Mafia left in this scenario. If one of those two was Potent, his other comrade would surely be voting for me. And that would be NBF, since we can assume that Carini and Dragon were town. And if Potent wasn't Mafia, then the two remaining Mafiosi would likely split their votes, again leaving NBF as well as one of Rummy/Rothric/SFA/Farris (since I know I'm town).
If Tainted wasn't Mafia, there would be three Mafia left. The same logic applies here as well. If Potent was Mafia, it would be most likely that NBF was Mafia with him to help avoid getting him voted out (with Dragon and Carini being town). And then again - if Potent wasn't Mafia, the Mafia would be splitting their votes between two Townies, leaving NBF on one side and two Mafia out of Rummy/Rothric/SFA/Farris.
Also note that NBF was who Carini voted for before she was eliminated from the runoff. Carini was then whacked after this Day.
This seems pretty clear to me, since I know I'm town. In order for NBF to NOT be Mafia, you'd have to convince me that either Potent was Mafia and all other Mafia alive at the time voted for him, or that Potent was town and all the Mafia alive voted for him. I don't think either of those scenarios are very likely at all.
If Tainted wasn't Mafia, there would be three Mafia left. The same logic applies here as well. If Potent was Mafia, it would be most likely that his fellow Mafia (NBF) would vote for me to help avoid getting him voted out (with Dragon and Carini being town). And then again - if Potent wasn't Mafia, the Mafia would be splitting their votes between two Townies, leaving NBF on one side and two Mafia out of Rummy/Rothric/SFA/Farris.
Carini also switched onto NBF in Round 2 of Day 1, and after she was eliminated from the runoff and it was down to Farris/Tainted, he voted opposite her.
