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This was the main Potent post I was referring to above. Something about it seems fishy. Enough were I'm not seeing why we'd allow him the deciding vote this round.
Not really sure what you find fishy about this...
It could be nothing, I guess. It just struck me as an excuse. You voted for NBF because she voted how you'd normally vote. Then as soon as you got the chance you went back to that pattern when it had no bearing on the actual game. It just doesn't seem a reasonable way to make a discussion later in the round. I saw it as potential targeting.
But that's just one example. My main concern is more basic and something I often consider. It's that the runoff drug on with no real discussion while Tainted was in danger. It seemed the mafia was fine with what we had going on.
It could be nothing, I guess. It just struck me as an excuse. You voted for NBF because she voted how you'd normally vote. Then as soon as you got the chance you went back to that pattern when it had no bearing on the actual game. It just doesn't seem a reasonable way to make a discussion later in the round. I saw it as potential targeting.
But that's just one example. My main concern is more basic and something I often consider. It's that the runoff drug on with no real discussion while Tainted was in danger. It seemed the mafia was fine with what we had going on.
You swooping in two hours before round's end to change your vote certainly screams that you're not okay with what's going on. Especially since the last game (or maybe it was the one before it), you were quite resolute in not wanting to change your vote unless you really, really found it necessary. And you now saying "It could be nothing, I guess" doesn't really convince me that you have any real reason. And I don't buy this notion that because someone escaped a runoff that somehow they're less likely to be Mafia, so you're more comfortable voting for them. Last game EAP and I (as Mafia) squeaked through multiple runoffs. You're making no sense to me.
I would like an extension since SFA's vote change directly effects the lynching of this round (potentially changing the eventual outcome of the game), and I would like to make sure all townies are able to see this and weigh in if they so desire.
It could be nothing, I guess. It just struck me as an excuse. You voted for NBF because she voted how you'd normally vote. Then as soon as you got the chance you went back to that pattern when it had no bearing on the actual game. It just doesn't seem a reasonable way to make a discussion later in the round. I saw it as potential targeting.
But that's just one example. My main concern is more basic and something I often consider. It's that the runoff drug on with no real discussion while Tainted was in danger. It seemed the mafia was fine with what we had going on.
You swooping in two hours before round's end to change your vote certainly screams that you're not okay with what's going on. Especially since the last game (or maybe it was the one before it), you were quite resolute in not wanting to change your vote unless you really, really found it necessary. And you now saying "It could be nothing, I guess" doesn't really convince me that you have any real reason. And I don't buy this notion that because someone escaped a runoff that somehow they're less likely to be Mafia, so you're more comfortable voting for them. Last game EAP and I (as Mafia) squeaked through multiple runoffs. You're making no sense to me.
I would like an extension since SFA's vote change directly effects the lynching of this round (potentially changing the eventual outcome of the game), and I would like to make sure all townies are able to see this and weigh in if they so desire.
While I agree with some of your criticisms in this post of yours I'm quoting, why do you have beef with SFA switching over to the person you already have your vote on? Shouldn't you be happy that SFA agrees with you by voting for Farris?
You swooping in two hours before round's end to change your vote certainly screams that you're not okay with what's going on. Especially since the last game (or maybe it was the one before it), you were quite resolute in not wanting to change your vote unless you really, really found it necessary. And you now saying "It could be nothing, I guess" doesn't really convince me that you have any real reason. And I don't buy this notion that because someone escaped a runoff that somehow they're less likely to be Mafia, so you're more comfortable voting for them. Last game EAP and I (as Mafia) squeaked through multiple runoffs. You're making no sense to me.
I would like an extension since SFA's vote change directly effects the lynching of this round (potentially changing the eventual outcome of the game), and I would like to make sure all townies are able to see this and weigh in if they so desire.
While I agree with some of your criticisms in this post of yours I'm quoting, why do you have beef with SFA switching over to the person you already have your vote on? Shouldn't you be happy that SFA agrees with you by voting for Farris?
As I said earlier, I have no preference between Farris or Tainted; my vote earlier was purely to potentially glean information from Potent's vote (and partially to self-preserve, avoiding a situation in which a deciding vote by me is used against me later in the game). Some may think that's chickenshit, I guess (and maybe that's true), but that seems like the best vote for me to make since I didn't really care who got voted off.
SFA's vote and reasoning just set off alarm bells for me - especially since he's previously disclosed his reticence to change his vote in first rounds. Makes me think that if he's town, he'd have a good reason. But personally I don't see a good reason in anything he's said.
It could be nothing, I guess. It just struck me as an excuse. You voted for NBF because she voted how you'd normally vote. Then as soon as you got the chance you went back to that pattern when it had no bearing on the actual game. It just doesn't seem a reasonable way to make a discussion later in the round. I saw it as potential targeting.
But that's just one example. My main concern is more basic and something I often consider. It's that the runoff drug on with no real discussion while Tainted was in danger. It seemed the mafia was fine with what we had going on.
You swooping in two hours before round's end to change your vote certainly screams that you're not okay with what's going on. Especially since the last game (or maybe it was the one before it), you were quite resolute in not wanting to change your vote unless you really, really found it necessary. And you now saying "It could be nothing, I guess" doesn't really convince me that you have any real reason. And I don't buy this notion that because someone escaped a runoff that somehow they're less likely to be Mafia, so you're more comfortable voting for them. Last game EAP and I (as Mafia) squeaked through multiple runoffs. You're making no sense to me.
I would like an extension since SFA's vote change directly effects the lynching of this round (potentially changing the eventual outcome of the game), and I would like to make sure all townies are able to see this and weigh in if they so desire.
What? Of course I'm not okay with it. That's why I changed my vote. I was referring to the quote Potent asked me about. As it was one of the posts that stuck out to me. And it's not the only reason I gave.
I make first round votes based on who I feel comfortable voting along with all the time. One of the reasons is who I feel the mafia could have been setting up... or who it appeared comfortable letting get put in/ voted out of a runoff. This is no different. I think there is absolutely no way both Jimmy and NBF are mafia, so that's one reason I'd rather be voting along with them. It's a better reason then voting for someone that annoys me.
Not sure which it example of me not wanting to change my vote in pasts games you are referring to? I was the inspector and was trying to hint at the name I had. For some reason that became about me not changing votes. So it absolutly wasn't the same type of situation at all. I almost never change until the runoffs. Besides that, it's always situation dependent.
I voted knowing we had around three hours before the round closed. That's more then a reasonable amount of time for everyone to see the vote change.
Hey now, there was one game I had a Mafia with my d1r1 vote and later that day switched to the inspector for the deciding vote to lynch. Not my proudest moment in the game, and one of the few times I've switched a d1 vote unless it gets wiped in a run off.
Ha. Not in the games I'm thinking of. Either way, besides joking around, the real point is I have nothing that strong to go off of, so switching is just as likely to help the mafia as staying. Plus switching votes without some plausible reason has the added bonus of dragging my name into the dirt and taking focus off searching for actual mafia.
This was the post I was thinking of. Though to you now I guess you consider your reasoning strong enough, so maybe it's a moot point.
Seems to me like Dragon and myself are both town. This silence is maddening, which may suggest we have some less creative/lazy mafia.
That's pretty much the vibe I'm getting as well. I didn't pay much attention to posts time from yesterday but it's been stuck on you two for quite some time. Long enough to make it likely the mafia don't have enough at stake to make waves now.
Though I do find it odd that in the last game, you interpreted silence as meaning we had two townies so you didn't want to move your vote unnecessarily, and now you're interpreting silence as there possibly being a Mafia in the runoff, so you want to move your vote.
Jazmo > null
Staying at null until I find out whether we have an extension. If no extension, I'll take the vote hit because I want to see other players weigh in.
Ha. Not in the games I'm thinking of. Either way, besides joking around, the real point is I have nothing that strong to go off of, so switching is just as likely to help the mafia as staying. Plus switching votes without some plausible reason has the added bonus of dragging my name into the dirt and taking focus off searching for actual mafia.
This was the post I was thinking of. Though to you now I guess you consider your reasoning strong enough, so maybe it's a moot point.
Thanks for clarifying. I thought I was clear when I changed my vote. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that but whatever.
That's pretty much the vibe I'm getting as well. I didn't pay much attention to posts time from yesterday but it's been stuck on you two for quite some time. Long enough to make it likely the mafia don't have enough at stake to make waves now.
Though I do find it odd that in the last game, you interpreted silence as meaning we had two townies so you didn't want to move your vote unnecessarily, and now you're interpreting silence as there possibly being a Mafia in the runoff, so you want to move your vote.
Jazmo > null
Staying at null until I find out whether we have an extension. If no extension, I'll take the vote hit because I want to see other players weigh in.
You find it odd that I interpret separate events in separate games differently? If we are going off of all mafia history, I have a long history of changing votes off of someone I don't find suspicious that's in a runoff. I don't always stick to a pattern. That wouldn't be very wise.
Well, most importantly, I never once said we had mafia in the runoff. If we did, then it's likly one of the ones that slipped out early or the one that was about to slip out tonight. That's usually how it goes. I'm just voting based on what I stuck out to me after days of basically nothing eventful happening. Simple as that. If you don't like it then switch yours.
I accept your responses to my challenges. Thank you for your explanations.
You may indeed be completely telling the truth, but I think in general it's a good idea to be wary of late-round vote switches, so I do want to change my vote.
I accept your responses to my challenges. Thank you for your explanations.
You may indeed be completely telling the truth, but I think in general it's a good idea to be wary of late-round vote switches, so I do want to change my vote.
Jazmo > Tainted
I'm wary of your vote change since I agree with you that all vote changes deserve scrutiny, and the later in the round, the more scrutiny deserved. I'm also worried that a significant number of people haven't chimed in this last round. Just from memory carini12RothricNothingButFlowersJim the Luck DЯagon do you have any thoughts on all of the machinations going on here? Also I think Rummy 500 hasn't posted anything since votes were cast this runoff (I assume she traveled for the holiday, I'm not holding this against you, just want to hear from people).
I'm skeptical of both SFA and Jaz vote switches. Considering what I want to do right now.
I accept your responses to my challenges. Thank you for your explanations.
You may indeed be completely telling the truth, but I think in general it's a good idea to be wary of late-round vote switches, so I do want to change my vote.
Jazmo > Tainted
I'm wary of your vote change since I agree with you that all vote changes deserve scrutiny, and the later in the round, the more scrutiny deserved. I'm also worried that a significant number of people haven't chimed in this last round. Just from memory carini12RothricNothingButFlowersJim the Luck DЯagon do you have any thoughts on all of the machinations going on here? Also I think Rummy 500 hasn't posted anything since votes were cast this runoff (I assume she traveled for the holiday, I'm not holding this against you, just want to hear from people).
I'm skeptical of both SFA and Jaz vote switches. Considering what I want to do right now.
I've not been sure what to make of it all around. I was feeling a bit unsure about the situation, so SFA's change didn't really strike me as that off, and Jaz jumping so hard on it kind of seemed like it could be mafia taking advantage of a townie doing something that arguably looked suspicious. Then again, everything can be interpreted pretty much the opposite way too at this stage of the game. All in all, I'm relatively comfortable staying where I'm at right now.
Maybe I came across as a bit alarmist, but any lynch-deciding vote change that occurs two and half hours before the round end is certainly deserving of scrutiny. SFA may consider that to be plenty of time, but considering that so many players have still not yet weighed in since then, I do not agree with him on that point. If people think I'm more suspicious because of the points I raised or the manner in which I raised them, well them I guess them's the lumps.
I accept your responses to my challenges. Thank you for your explanations.
You may indeed be completely telling the truth, but I think in general it's a good idea to be wary of late-round vote switches, so I do want to change my vote.
Jazmo > Tainted
I'm wary of your vote change since I agree with you that all vote changes deserve scrutiny, and the later in the round, the more scrutiny deserved. I'm also worried that a significant number of people haven't chimed in this last round. Just from memory carini12RothricNothingButFlowersJim the Luck DЯagon do you have any thoughts on all of the machinations going on here? Also I think Rummy 500 hasn't posted anything since votes were cast this runoff (I assume she traveled for the holiday, I'm not holding this against you, just want to hear from people).
I'm skeptical of both SFA and Jaz vote switches. Considering what I want to do right now.
I have no read on either Tainted or Farris at this point. I'm ok with vote switches as they will provide us info down the road.
I just reread the thread twice and I can't make heads or tails of shit right now. Hopefully the whack will set my mind on a clear path...
Maybe I came across as a bit alarmist, but any lynch-deciding vote change that occurs two and half hours before the round end is certainly deserving of scrutiny. SFA may consider that to be plenty of time, but considering that so many players have still not yet weighed in since then, I do not agree with him on that point. If people think I'm more suspicious because of the points I raised or the manner in which I raised them, well them I guess them's the lumps.
My lovely lady lumps.
Just for the record, it's totally possible people have viewed the votes and decided not to make a post. Just because someone is being quiet doesn't mean they aren't aware of what's going on.
Post by Farrisbueller on Nov 25, 2015 10:55:09 GMT -5
I'm still here btw, I wasn't available last night but I'm glad the round got extended, thanks Jaz.
I don't see much valid reasoning behind SFA's vote switch. After all I was the one who evened out Tainted's votes with mine. I also had the chance to move my vote off of Tainted in earlier rounds and did not do so, this to me would indicate I was not trying to save Tainted or myself when I moved my vote onto Jimmy.
So to use the reasoning that things have been too quiet and not much else in changing your vote, I just don't get that. Then SFA points to things Potent had done as suspicious MUCH LIKE I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER as a possibility. I just dont get that, please explain my connection to Potent. For someone that is voting against me they seem to agree with me on multiple points.
We should discuss this after the game. I agree. I feel last game should have ended when EAP voted JFG late but the ref auto extended due to late vote
I was that ref and I think it's chickenshit to switch a vote close to the deadline when people may not have a chance to see it.
Didn't say you did wrong, you acted based on precedent and probably would have taken a ton of shit if you had ended at that point without extending. We also should hold off on this chat until this game ends.
Maybe I came across as a bit alarmist, but any lynch-deciding vote change that occurs two and half hours before the round end is certainly deserving of scrutiny. SFA may consider that to be plenty of time, but considering that so many players have still not yet weighed in since then, I do not agree with him on that point. If people think I'm more suspicious because of the points I raised or the manner in which I raised them, well them I guess them's the lumps.
My lovely lady lumps.
Just for the record, it's totally possible people have viewed the votes and decided not to make a post. Just because someone is being quiet doesn't mean they aren't aware of what's going on.
Obviously. I prefer to err on the side of caution though, not make assumptions in the absence of evidence.
Just for the record, it's totally possible people have viewed the votes and decided not to make a post. Just because someone is being quiet doesn't mean they aren't aware of what's going on.
Obviously. I prefer to err on the side of caution though, not make assumptions in the absence of evidence.
I accept your responses to my challenges. Thank you for your explanations.
You may indeed be completely telling the truth, but I think in general it's a good idea to be wary of late-round vote switches, so I do want to change my vote.
Jazmo > Tainted
I'm wary of your vote change since I agree with you that all vote changes deserve scrutiny, and the later in the round, the more scrutiny deserved. I'm also worried that a significant number of people haven't chimed in this last round. Just from memory carini12RothricNothingButFlowersJim the Luck DЯagon do you have any thoughts on all of the machinations going on here? Also I think Rummy 500 hasn't posted anything since votes were cast this runoff (I assume she traveled for the holiday, I'm not holding this against you, just want to hear from people).
I'm skeptical of both SFA and Jaz vote switches. Considering what I want to do right now.
I did travel/am back in my hometown right now with my family and pretty busy. I will find a time today though to give this a more concerted look, but I am heading out to lunch right now with my sister and then seeing my friend for coffee after that.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
