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At this point I would prefer to have Jimmy in the runoff with me if I have to be in the runoff. Not getting much feeling towards Tainted at this point and something about Jimmy is drawing me towards him with how he got taken pretty far out of the votes this round and the rhetoric of some people like carini not mentioning him in their voting decisions. Without something definitive to go off of I'm going to move my vote in the direction I'm feeling.
This round will end at 10am Monday morning. November 23rd. CENTRAL TIME
So, this is interesting to me. It was 4-5-2, with Tainted having the most votes, and Farris switched from Tainted to Jimmy. The post I didn't quote in between was Rummy calling for someone to switch so there would be another runoff. But even with that, it seems odd to me that a person in an active runoff would switch his vote from the person with the most votes to the person with the least votes (who we now know was innocent). He mentioned doing this later, here:
I'm still here btw, I wasn't available last night but I'm glad the round got extended, thanks Jaz.
I don't see much valid reasoning behind SFA's vote switch. After all I was the one who evened out Tainted's votes with mine. I also had the chance to move my vote off of Tainted in earlier rounds and did not do so, this to me would indicate I was not trying to save Tainted or myself when I moved my vote onto Jimmy.
So to use the reasoning that things have been too quiet and not much else in changing your vote, I just don't get that. Then SFA points to things Potent had done as suspicious MUCH LIKE I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER as a possibility. I just dont get that, please explain my connection to Potent. For someone that is voting against me they seem to agree with me on multiple points.
Which is actually what made me go back and think about how strange it was.
I don't see how not switching your vote off someone in earlier rounds is evidence that you were not trying to save someone when you changed your vote from him in a later round. I would agree that it doesn't seem like you were trying to save yourself because if you were, it seems like the safer bet would have been to leave your vote on the person with the most votes. So, I guess the question this raises for me is, why weren't you trying to save yourself?
** I decided to do all the death scenes like if Andy Dwyer was giving a synopsis of the movie**
(The bag is pulled off Steven Seagal's eyes)
"I've always wanted to do that" (he slowly spins in his chair to face Seagal) "I wish I had a cat. I've heard a lot about you"
So then Seagal is like "no way. You were the cool black cop guy who was nice to me. How could you be the ringleader of this crime syndicate run by cops that soaks heroin in shirts somehow?"
Then cool black cop guy who is now the big bad guy is like "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist". So Steven Seagal is like 'whoa that's a pretty dope line but I can't be in business with you' and then cool black cop guy almost shot Seagal but then DMX came and saved his ass (as DMX is known to do)
Then the lady from Crossing Jordan dies in a car chase in a scene that really didn't need to be in the movie. Then just when you think cool black cop guy is the big bad guy you find out its the fat white guy who was supposed to be on Seagal's side the whole time is really in charge and you're like how many fucking plot twists can there be? Seagal called in fat white guy for help, so now Seagal is really in the shit. Fat white guy was in the movie even before Seagal got sent to that shitty precinct and Seagal is like 'ya gotta be fucking kidding me'. Then fat white guy is about to shoot Seagal when the reinforcements come and everyone pairs off to fight. Steven Seagal gets shot OH NO, but its in a totally survivable place on the body because that is the only place Steven Seagal is ever injured in any movie.
AND THEN STEVEN SEAGAL AND COOL BLACK COP GUY FIGHT EACH OTHER WITH FUCKING MACHETES AND IT IS SUPER BADASS. Meanwhile DMX and the shady Italian dude who seemed like the shadiest cop at the start but is like the 3rd worst guy at this point are fighting with guns but neither of them have bullets so they kinda swing em at each other (it doesn't seem anywhere near as cool as the machete fight). DMX gets his head shoved in the powder used for the heroin shirts and you're like DMX nooooooo because he can't see and the shady Italian dude is just fucking with him and you're like oh shit DMX bout to die in this fucking movie I can't believe it.
Back to Stevel Seagal who lost his machete due to a front flip machete attack by cool black cop guy and he's in big trouble. Well cool black cop guy isn't able to kill Steven Seagal even though our dude Seagal has been in a car accident where his passenger died and ALSO shot and is this dude fending off a machete attack with a fucking office chair. A FUCKING OFFICE CHAIR. Well my boy Seagal gets the machete out of cool black cop guys hands but then he falls down and cool black cop guy runs for the exit with the briefcase that is holding something important, likely drugs or money, it was a long time ago in the movie and I forgot.
Back to DMX. He's still blind and shady Italian dude is still fucking with him. And quick cut back as cool black cop guy is getting away on a helicopter THAT WAS JUST WAITING FOR HIM LIKE NO BIG DEAL CUZ A REAL VILLIAN ALWAYS NEEDS A HELICOPTER WAITING WITH A PILOT WHO LOOKS VERY KILLABLE... back to DMX again.... shady Italian guy is like 'rot in jail with your brother' WHICH IS THE WRONG THING TO SAY TO DMX CUZ HE STABS THAT MOTHERFUCKER IN THE LEG. AND I KNOW HE IS A MOTHERFUCKER BECAUSE DMX CALLS HIM "MOTHERFUCKER" LIKE A SECOND LATER. DMX lifts this dude in the air and shady Italian dude's head hits a sprinkler (likely causing a concussion but the movie never really makes a statement on head injuries) AND THEN WATER STARTS FLOWING FROM THE SRINKLER AND DMX CAN FUCKING SEE. YEAHHHHHHHHHH DUDE
On the roof of the building, Steven Seagal grabs on to the the rope ladder because every movie helicopter being chased by the hero has a rope ladder and he grabs on. He gravel skis the length of the building which has to be 4000 football fields by how long this takes and at the last moment he hooks the ladder onto a random ass pipe. NICE JOB STEVEN CAUSE SOMEHOW THAT SHIT WORKS. Cool black cop guy looks back and laughs at Seagal (because he is super evil) but uhhhhhhh-ohhhhhhh. The ladder is stuck on the pipe. THE LADDER SNAPS OFF THE HELICOPTER AND COOL BLACK COP GUY FALLS. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo (cool black cop guy falls in slow motion) and then BOOOSH!!!!! (sound effect noise) You then see cool black cop guy who has a standard case of being impaled by a pipe with a foot diamater perfectly through the chest. COOL BLACK COP GUY DEAD ON IMPACT. This is where I should mention that naturally, Dr. Joe is cool black cop guy and he is dead but this story is much more important than that.
Quick flash to DMX and shady Italian dude. They both have a hold of each other and they are running at the same target like 1 sided chicken and then DMX slips out of his coat because it is pleather and he got it at TJ Maxx but shady Italian dude has too much momentum AND IMPALES HIS OWN SHADY ITALIAN DUDE SELF ON RANDOM ASS WALL SPIKES AND YOU'RE LIKE OHHH SHIT EVERYBODY IS GETTING IMPALED IN THIS FUCKING MOVIE, DON'T THEY KNOW THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DIE??? DMX lifts his head in the air soaking in that delicious Detroit sprinkler water.
There's a quick scene where all the good guys get together as the backup cops mop up blood and our heroes look around at each other and they're like man we killed fucking everybody and none of us are really hurt other than the woman cop who died but DMX, Steven Segal, Anthony Anderson, and Tom Arnold are alive so this shit is ok.
Then credits roll because DMX wanted to bastardize Bill Withers "Ain't No Sunshine" in a movie soundtrack.
First off, I so wanted to like this post.
Second, I was wanting a "Has anybody seen Richie?" or "Who's hot dog is this, ehh? Is this yours?"
I'm still here btw, I wasn't available last night but I'm glad the round got extended, thanks Jaz.
I don't see much valid reasoning behind SFA's vote switch. After all I was the one who evened out Tainted's votes with mine. I also had the chance to move my vote off of Tainted in earlier rounds and did not do so, this to me would indicate I was not trying to save Tainted or myself when I moved my vote onto Jimmy.
So to use the reasoning that things have been too quiet and not much else in changing your vote, I just don't get that. Then SFA points to things Potent had done as suspicious MUCH LIKE I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER as a possibility. I just dont get that, please explain my connection to Potent. For someone that is voting against me they seem to agree with me on multiple points.
I never once said you were connected with Potent. Why are you wanting me to shift the conversation to that? I said I didn't feel comfortable voting along with him and that was just an example. It's a pretty simple concept. I didn't have much information, so I choose to vote off what my gut was telling me. Nothing about that means I think you two are connected. If I thought that I'd say it.
You don't get why "things have been too quite" is a reason to consider a vote change? You've never once seen the mafia win a round by setting back and not shacking up a situation that's leaning in their favor? Not saying that is what happened. I have no way to know that. Disagreeing with my reasoning is perfectly fine and I would expect nothing less. Saying you "just don't get that" seems unbelievable to me. And it was the first round. So what other reasoning would you have expected me to use? Just make stuff up?
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Nov 26, 2015 8:33:23 GMT -5
*Skaking up.
As for the whack. I don't think Jimmy was inspector.
He seemed pretty neutral when mentioning those in the final runoff, so I don't think he would have been pointing to them. He even mentioned the mafia likely being thrilled with the 4-way runoff. Which doesn't mean a mafia wasn't in there but I think it's safe to assume he didn't have one of the three other names.
Having said that, he did ask Jaz to change his vote to Tainted but I think that was more of a direct question then a hint.
Here are all of Jimmy's posts. Some of them didn't involve quotes and seem out of context, but just click on the quote and it will bring you to that point in the conversation.
I have to go to Thanksgiving for a bit, and not ready to cast a vote at this point.
My vote was cleared, and I'm voting for people I find annoying. It's the first round, there's nothing to go off of. Which you know, so I'm not sure why you're asking why.
You swooping in two hours before round's end to change your vote certainly screams that you're not okay with what's going on. Especially since the last game (or maybe it was the one before it), you were quite resolute in not wanting to change your vote unless you really, really found it necessary. And you now saying "It could be nothing, I guess" doesn't really convince me that you have any real reason. And I don't buy this notion that because someone escaped a runoff that somehow they're less likely to be Mafia, so you're more comfortable voting for them. Last game EAP and I (as Mafia) squeaked through multiple runoffs. You're making no sense to me.
I would like an extension since SFA's vote change directly effects the lynching of this round (potentially changing the eventual outcome of the game), and I would like to make sure all townies are able to see this and weigh in if they so desire.
While I agree with some of your criticisms in this post of yours I'm quoting, why do you have beef with SFA switching over to the person you already have your vote on? Shouldn't you be happy that SFA agrees with you by voting for Farris?
Maybe I came across as a bit alarmist, but any lynch-deciding vote change that occurs two and half hours before the round end is certainly deserving of scrutiny. SFA may consider that to be plenty of time, but considering that so many players have still not yet weighed in since then, I do not agree with him on that point. If people think I'm more suspicious because of the points I raised or the manner in which I raised them, well them I guess them's the lumps.
My lovely lady lumps.
Just for the record, it's totally possible people have viewed the votes and decided not to make a post. Just because someone is being quiet doesn't mean they aren't aware of what's going on.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Nov 26, 2015 23:36:02 GMT -5
NBF > Farris
Because of what I pointed out on the previous page. Because he kind of just squeaked through the runoff. And because the whacked player voted for him continuously throughout Day 1.
I'm not exactly married to this vote, but it's what I'm going with for now.
Tomorrow is my last full day in TN before I go home on Saturday, and I have stuff planned for most of the day, so I wanted to get my vote in. I will check in, but I may or may not comment.
Because he voted for Jimmy, and ended up voting for the person Jimmy wasn't voting for. After rereading what NBF had brought up in regards to Farris I'm most suspicious of the two of them at this point (the two being Potent and Farris).
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Nov 27, 2015 12:11:37 GMT -5
I usually like to have fresh meat in the second runoff but I can't really disagree with what NBF and Jaz have said. I am a little worried that if we are on the wrong trail having the same folks brought up over and over will muddy the water, so I'd at least like to expand the search.
Just some random thoughts as I was looking this over.
I like to look at names that the whacked player(s) didn't vote along with, but that's even less telling since Jimmy voted for Farris early and left his vote there. Jimmy was also in the runoff so his vote might not be that telling one way or the other.
One other oddity was when Carini and Rummy pushed the third runoff in Tainted's direction. One could argue the mafia might have seen opinions changing on Jimmy and figured Tainted would be easier to get voted off in the last runoff?
I'll go with Rummy for now, but I'm certainly open to what people have to say because I'm not convinced of this myself. Partly just trying to get the ball rolling.
Since I agree completely with Jaz with the vote for Potent and I probably would have done the same thing had he not beaten me to it I feel we should also look at the other half of that interaction as she was the one that Potent pulled out of the runoff to put Jimmy in.
Since I agree completely with Jaz with the vote for Potent and I probably would have done the same thing had he not beaten me to it I feel we should also look at the other half of that interaction as she was the one that Potent pulled out of the runoff to put Jimmy in.
This was my thought as well.
I'm fine to be the first to stack; it is D2 after all.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I don't like the way it went down at the end of last round. I think Jazmo's reasoning for the vote switch was rather flimsy, almost like he was looking for an excuse. Farris and Potent are the others I was thinking about as well, but wanted to get a fresh face in the mix.
Post by potentpotables on Nov 27, 2015 18:57:50 GMT -5
potent > jazmo
This whack totally frames me and it seems like most of you are picking up on part of that.
I will reciprocate the first person to vote for me this round, and I don't love the power play that Jaz pulled in the last runoff on Day 1. On the other hand, Jaz moved a vote which sparked a bit of discussion, and it seems like people are wary of me because I switched a vote that sparked a discussion. We could all just cast votes, nobody move, nobody talk, and see what happens. That's what the last few games have been like seemingly.
Anyway, I'm heading out for the night and while I figure someone else may put someone in the runoff against me, making sure there's a runoff and I don't get voted straight off is another part of my calculation here.
Post by Farrisbueller on Nov 27, 2015 20:23:14 GMT -5
Oh shit didn't know the round ends tonight. Been busy with turkey day, then got a PlayStation 4 for black Friday and have been lost in Rocket League all day. I just caught up on the thread so give me some time to process, I'll try to vote in the next hour.
Post by Jim the Luck DЯagon on Nov 27, 2015 21:58:43 GMT -5
Dragon > Farris
Due to previously stated (by NBF) suspicions, and desire to make it a deeper runoff. To be honest though, there's still not a terribly large amount of activity to go on.
Post by Farrisbueller on Nov 27, 2015 21:59:35 GMT -5
Farris > NBF
I'd like to take the move Potent made d1r2 and get a further looksee. Could be nothing but this also gives us some fresh faces. I'll agree SFAs vote change wasn't the biggest deal ever but lets consider that unless Tainted was mafia, the last two rounds in day 1 didn't have much meaning in terms of nabbing a mafasio.
Post by Jim the Luck DЯagon on Nov 27, 2015 22:11:51 GMT -5
Jaz might very well be town, but to this point, his big move served only to provide cover/framing material for the mafia. He's been an agent of confusion thus far.
If he is Mafia, fantastic. If he is town, while you never want to lose a townie, he's been nothing but a detriment.
Jaz might very well be town, but to this point, his big move served only to provide cover/framing material for the mafia. He's been an agent of confusion thus far.
If he is Mafia, fantastic. If he is town, while you never want to lose a townie, he's been nothing but a detriment.
I'm sorry if my posting at the end of last round caused confusion; it was not my intent but looking back I can see how it can be used for the Mafia's purposes (including them using it to sway the town towards me being the lynch, as you are doing now). I had issues with SFA's late vote switch, which caused me to make a vote switch of my own. Maybe people consider that to be a "power move", but IMO we needed an extension and I wanted my questions to SFA answered before the lynch occurred. If people consider my own vote switch suspicious then that's fair game, but any late switch requires scrutiny (and yes, I know that my vote switch falls under this).
Jaz might very well be town, but to this point, his big move served only to provide cover/framing material for the mafia. He's been an agent of confusion thus far.
If he is Mafia, fantastic. If he is town, while you never want to lose a townie, he's been nothing but a detriment.
I'm really not sure what to make of these posts. One day, you're glad Jaz did what he did and the next, you're saying he's the "clear lunch" because of it?
Jaz might very well be town, but to this point, his big move served only to provide cover/framing material for the mafia. He's been an agent of confusion thus far.
If he is Mafia, fantastic. If he is town, while you never want to lose a townie, he's been nothing but a detriment.
I'm really not sure what to make of these posts. One day, you're glad Jaz did what he did and the next, you're saying he's the "clear lunch" because of it?
I just looked at this again. That obviously should have said "clear lynch," not "clear lunch."
Jaz might very well be town, but to this point, his big move served only to provide cover/framing material for the mafia. He's been an agent of confusion thus far.
If he is Mafia, fantastic. If he is town, while you never want to lose a townie, he's been nothing but a detriment.
I'm really not sure what to make of these posts. One day, you're glad Jaz did what he did and the next, you're saying he's the "clear lunch" because of it?
I'd like to see a response to this as well. As it stands, this seems to be more akin to "tomfoolery" then Jaz's vote. Jaz's vote could mean something bigger or he could be telling the truth and it was just a reaction to mine. Either way, I think characterizing it as a move to muddy the waters is unwarranted.
This whack totally frames me and it seems like most of you are picking up on part of that.
I will reciprocate the first person to vote for me this round, and I don't love the power play that Jaz pulled in the last runoff on Day 1. On the other hand, Jaz moved a vote which sparked a bit of discussion, and it seems like people are wary of me because I switched a vote that sparked a discussion. We could all just cast votes, nobody move, nobody talk, and see what happens. That's what the last few games have been like seemingly.
Anyway, I'm heading out for the night and while I figure someone else may put someone in the runoff against me, making sure there's a runoff and I don't get voted straight off is another part of my calculation here.
Why do you think the Jimmy whack framed you? If anyone it points mostly to Farris, IF it was meant as a frame job.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Nov 29, 2015 19:55:38 GMT -5
I've read this over twice since the runoff began and can't really get a solid led on anything. I'm hoping discussion picks up a little now that the holiday weekend is rapping up.
I haven't really seen a solid argument(one I'm not understanding at all) for anyone really, so I'm going for the choice closest to the whack.
Nothing surprising there. The way I'm reading it people seem to be dividing this into Jaz/Farris or Potent/NBF. So it seems the best way to gather info from the field is to select one of each for the next runoff.
If it wasn't for the weird oversell on the part of Dragon I would have been more open to picking Jaz out of group one... just to get a fresh face in there.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Nov 29, 2015 20:06:21 GMT -5
Ohhh, my opnion on the other group is obliviously Potent over NBF. While I see the connection you guys are talking about. I think her switching off of the whacked player, at the end of the second runoff, is the most non-mafia move so far going by what facts we have on the 4 of them.
I'm not saying it clears her. But by process of elimination we can at least think of that from a mafia pov and say that that vote switch wasn't a saving move, so why would a mafia member bother making it? Yes, it could be a distancing move. But I highly doubt that.