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I just gave the whole game another read through. At this point, I have no idea whether Jimmy was the Inspector or not. But the only real information I have to go on is the whack of Jimmy.
Jimmy's vote was on Farris from the start and never deviated. Could be nothing, but at this point, something that has to be considered.
Potent is the other one that is suspicious in my eyes. At the end of D1R2, Potent made the last vote switch of the round to put Jimmy back into the runoff. Potent's reasoning for that switch was also very suspect in my mind.
Since Farris is already at 3, wanted to make sure Potent was in contention for the next runoff as well.
This whack totally frames me and it seems like most of you are picking up on part of that.
I will reciprocate the first person to vote for me this round, and I don't love the power play that Jaz pulled in the last runoff on Day 1. On the other hand, Jaz moved a vote which sparked a bit of discussion, and it seems like people are wary of me because I switched a vote that sparked a discussion. We could all just cast votes, nobody move, nobody talk, and see what happens. That's what the last few games have been like seemingly.
Anyway, I'm heading out for the night and while I figure someone else may put someone in the runoff against me, making sure there's a runoff and I don't get voted straight off is another part of my calculation here.
Why do you think the Jimmy whack framed you? If anyone it points mostly to Farris, IF it was meant as a frame job.
I just gave the whole game another read through. At this point, I have no idea whether Jimmy was the Inspector or not. But the only real information I have to go on is the whack of Jimmy.
Jimmy's vote was on Farris from the start and never deviated. Could be nothing, but at this point, something that has to be considered.
Potent is the other one that is suspicious in my eyes. At the end of D1R2, Potent made the last vote switch of the round to put Jimmy back into the runoff. Potent's reasoning for that switch was also very suspect in my mind.
Since Farris is already at 3, wanted to make sure Potent was in contention for the next runoff as well.
This is to answer SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal's question with a follow up post from Rothric switching his vote to me. Roth is the third person to vote for me, and he's pointing to my vote switch for Jimmy. The reality of the situation is that I rarely have a reason to vote for someone on Day 1, and what fun is it if nobody votes? If that makes me look suspicious, so be it. I don't really understand why someone thinks that I would switch my vote to Jimmy and then whack him, that would clearly implicate me, as someone is trying to do.
At this point, my vote on Jaz is pointless. I am going to switch it, but I'm trying to think whether I want to go 3-3-3 or not. Speaking as the ref last game when we had the 3-3-3 standoff, it seemed interminable and I'm trying to decide if I want to do that again. I guess for the moment I'll do this:
potent > jaz > null
I'll switch my vote tonight before I head to bed as long as I remember.
Post by Farrisbueller on Nov 30, 2015 19:21:36 GMT -5
To address the questions coming my way. First off, just because the whacked player on Day 1 kept his vote on me all round doesnt mean he was gunning for me. Jimmy stated multiple times that there wasn't anything in particular about me (or Tainted for that matter) that stuck out. That's doesn't exactly scream *hint hint I think he's mafia* usually it's a bad idea for the inspector to start out voting for their given name, granted every game is different but I don't see things escalating throughout day 1 to indicate that was the case. (I also dont think Jimmy was Inspector)
So SFA, you say NBF is "more cleared" since he saved a known townie, than why does my move on Day 1 not evoke the same feelings? After all my move doesn't make much sense for a mafia to make either. I mean I could of been in cahoots with Tainted but I chose a really crappy time to try and turn the voting tide, I feel like it would have been a little more planned out than that if I was mafia, especially with all this downtime in the middle of rounds with little talk.
As for Dragon, it was odd the way in which he talked about Jaz but I don't completely disagree. Jaz makes a big commotion near the end of day 1, yet doesn't mention a single thing about Potents switch a round or so earlier. That seems pretty strange to me. Especially when it was with even less time for people to react than SFA's vote change (I know Jimmy responded to Potents vote switch but everyone else could still ask for an extension)
I'd like to hear from Potent at this point. I for one would like to see Jaz continue in the runoff almost as much as NBF. But if nobody else will move their votes than I'd like to at least see NBF proceed because I dont want to skip a 3 person runoff either way.
To address the questions coming my way. First off, just because the whacked player on Day 1 kept his vote on me all round doesnt mean he was gunning for me. Jimmy stated multiple times that there wasn't anything in particular about me (or Tainted for that matter) that stuck out. That's doesn't exactly scream *hint hint I think he's mafia* usually it's a bad idea for the inspector to start out voting for their given name, granted every game is different but I don't see things escalating throughout day 1 to indicate that was the case. (I also dont think Jimmy was Inspector)
So SFA, you say NBF is "more cleared" since he saved a known townie, than why does my move on Day 1 not evoke the same feelings? After all my move doesn't make much sense for a mafia to make either. I mean I could of been in cahoots with Tainted but I chose a really crappy time to try and turn the voting tide, I feel like it would have been a little more planned out than that if I was mafia, especially with all this downtime in the middle of rounds with little talk.
As for Dragon, it was odd the way in which he talked about Jaz but I don't completely disagree. Jaz makes a big commotion near the end of day 1, yet doesn't mention a single thing about Potents switch a round or so earlier. That seems pretty strange to me. Especially when it was with even less time for people to react than SFA's vote change (I know Jimmy responded to Potents vote switch but everyone else could still ask for an extension)
I'd like to hear from Potent at this point. I for one would like to see Jaz continue in the runoff almost as much as NBF. But if nobody else will move their votes than I'd like to at least see NBF proceed because I dont want to skip a 3 person runoff either way.
My vote switch came with like 12 hours left in the round...how much more time do you want? OK, 13 or 14 hours sure, but if memory serves there was much more time than SFA's vote switch, so I think your facts are wrong here (bolded).
Was pondering moving my vote to either Farris or Potent, have written and deleted 3 different paragraphs and a vote for each of them before deciding to stand pat. The reason for the non action is simple: whichever way I vote I'm setting myself up to be a decider unless a change is made and I want more info first if I am to make that choice. Not that I am clearing Jaz or NBF in any way, just don't see anything to put them ahead of the other 2. Couple questions:
Yes, I am removing the stuff from the quotes that don't pertain to my questions.
I don't love the power play that Jaz pulled in the last runoff on Day 1. On the other hand, Jaz moved a vote which sparked a bit of discussion, and it seems like people are wary of me because I switched a vote that sparked a discussion.
Potent - By my count (I'm sure I'll be soon corrected if I'm mistaken here) there have been 4 late/lateish vote changes. You reacted to mine, bring up yours and Jaz's here, why no mention of SFA's change?
So SFA, you say NBF is "more cleared" since he saved a known townie, than why does my move on Day 1 not evoke the same feelings? After all my move doesn't make much sense for a mafia to make either.
Farris - With the bolded part above - your move there was to vote for and advocate advancing a now known townie in the runoff over an unknown. How can that possibly clear you?
To address the questions coming my way. First off, just because the whacked player on Day 1 kept his vote on me all round doesnt mean he was gunning for me. Jimmy stated multiple times that there wasn't anything in particular about me (or Tainted for that matter) that stuck out. That's doesn't exactly scream *hint hint I think he's mafia* usually it's a bad idea for the inspector to start out voting for their given name, granted every game is different but I don't see things escalating throughout day 1 to indicate that was the case. (I also dont think Jimmy was Inspector)
So SFA, you say NBF is "more cleared" since he saved a known townie, than why does my move on Day 1 not evoke the same feelings? After all my move doesn't make much sense for a mafia to make either. I mean I could of been in cahoots with Tainted but I chose a really crappy time to try and turn the voting tide, I feel like it would have been a little more planned out than that if I was mafia, especially with all this downtime in the middle of rounds with little talk.
As for Dragon, it was odd the way in which he talked about Jaz but I don't completely disagree. Jaz makes a big commotion near the end of day 1, yet doesn't mention a single thing about Potents switch a round or so earlier. That seems pretty strange to me. Especially when it was with even less time for people to react than SFA's vote change (I know Jimmy responded to Potents vote switch but everyone else could still ask for an extension)
I'd like to hear from Potent at this point. I for one would like to see Jaz continue in the runoff almost as much as NBF. But if nobody else will move their votes than I'd like to at least see NBF proceed because I dont want to skip a 3 person runoff either way.
I'm a she.
Other than Potent's vote change, is there something that makes you suspicious of me?
I just gave the whole game another read through. At this point, I have no idea whether Jimmy was the Inspector or not. But the only real information I have to go on is the whack of Jimmy.
Jimmy's vote was on Farris from the start and never deviated. Could be nothing, but at this point, something that has to be considered.
Potent is the other one that is suspicious in my eyes. At the end of D1R2, Potent made the last vote switch of the round to put Jimmy back into the runoff. Potent's reasoning for that switch was also very suspect in my mind.
Since Farris is already at 3, wanted to make sure Potent was in contention for the next runoff as well.
This is to answer SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal 's question with a follow up post from Rothric switching his vote to me. Roth is the third person to vote for me, and he's pointing to my vote switch for Jimmy. The reality of the situation is that I rarely have a reason to vote for someone on Day 1, and what fun is it if nobody votes? If that makes me look suspicious, so be it. I don't really understand why someone thinks that I would switch my vote to Jimmy and then whack him, that would clearly implicate me, as someone is trying to do.
Okay. I guess I just don't see that as framing because I don't normally consider mafia's in-round votes and the whack as trying to accomplish similar goals? I mean, sure, there are times when it's likely the same but there are way to many votes out there for us to narrow down. It just doesn't' appear people are going after to you for that reason. Are they?
Post by Jim the Luck DЯagon on Nov 30, 2015 21:06:53 GMT -5
At the time, I liked that somebody decided to shake things up, as it usually provides information that we wouldn't otherwise get. At this point, all that Jaz' shakeup seemed to accomplish was confusion, opportunities to frame, and general coverage for the mafia.
Dragon > Jaz, in the hopes that potent will put his vote back on jaz' and at least one other person will see reason. I really don't think Jaz should be let off the hook this easy.
I accept your responses to my challenges. Thank you for your explanations.
You may indeed be completely telling the truth, but I think in general it's a good idea to be wary of late-round vote switches, so I do want to change my vote.
Jazmo > Tainted
I'm wary of your vote change since I agree with you that all vote changes deserve scrutiny, and the later in the round, the more scrutiny deserved. I'm also worried that a significant number of people haven't chimed in this last round. Just from memory carini12RothricNothingButFlowersJim the Luck DЯagon do you have any thoughts on all of the machinations going on here? Also I think Rummy 500 hasn't posted anything since votes were cast this runoff (I assume she traveled for the holiday, I'm not holding this against you, just want to hear from people).
I'm skeptical of both SFA and Jaz vote switches. Considering what I want to do right now.
carini12 I thought that I addressed the SFA vote switch with this post. I think all late vote switches deserve scrutiny. Really, all switches get scrutiny - this is why I'm on the hot seat. But if you don't switch votes, what else is there to do?
I also stated later that I thought late vote switches should get automatic extensions and that they were chickenshit, with which Rummy agreed at least.
At the time, I liked that somebody decided to shake things up, as it usually provides information that we wouldn't otherwise get. At this point, all that Jaz' shakeup seemed to accomplish was confusion, opportunities to frame, and general coverage for the mafia.
Dragon > Jaz, in the hopes that potent will put his vote back on jaz' and at least one other person will see reason. I really don't think Jaz should be let off the hook this easy.
At this point I can't do that because it leaves me in position to be voted off. I mean, I can do that if that's what the town wants, but we won't get any information to help us win this game. I'll sit tight, if someone else moves to Jaz then I will consider it.
I'm wary of your vote change since I agree with you that all vote changes deserve scrutiny, and the later in the round, the more scrutiny deserved. I'm also worried that a significant number of people haven't chimed in this last round. Just from memory carini12RothricNothingButFlowersJim the Luck DЯagon do you have any thoughts on all of the machinations going on here? Also I think Rummy 500 hasn't posted anything since votes were cast this runoff (I assume she traveled for the holiday, I'm not holding this against you, just want to hear from people).
I'm skeptical of both SFA and Jaz vote switches. Considering what I want to do right now.
carini12 I thought that I addressed the SFA vote switch with this post. I think all late vote switches deserve scrutiny. Really, all switches get scrutiny - this is why I'm on the hot seat. But if you don't switch votes, what else is there to do?
I also stated later that I thought late vote switches should get automatic extensions and that they were chickenshit, with which Rummy agreed at least.
To address the questions coming my way. First off, just because the whacked player on Day 1 kept his vote on me all round doesnt mean he was gunning for me. Jimmy stated multiple times that there wasn't anything in particular about me (or Tainted for that matter) that stuck out. That's doesn't exactly scream *hint hint I think he's mafia* usually it's a bad idea for the inspector to start out voting for their given name, granted every game is different but I don't see things escalating throughout day 1 to indicate that was the case. (I also dont think Jimmy was Inspector)
I've seen the inspector start out voting for their given name. It happened in the last game you played, I believe. But overall I agree, I don't usually consider who the inspector first voted for as a hint. Having said that, you are only looking at it as what the inspector would do. Which is separate from the issue of why the mafia thought he was inspector, that's if they didn't whack him purely to set someone up. It's hard to say this early on.
As I've already stated, I don't think Jimmy was inspector either. And if he was I don't think he had the name of anyone in the runoff, going off his posts.
So SFA, you say NBF is "more cleared" since he saved a known townie, than why does my move on Day 1 not evoke the same feelings? After all my move doesn't make much sense for a mafia to make either. I mean I could of been in cahoots with Tainted but I chose a really crappy time to try and turn the voting tide, I feel like it would have been a little more planned out than that if I was mafia, especially with all this downtime in the middle of rounds with little talk.
Fair question. It's simply a matter of variables. The whack pretty much proves NBF's move didn't have a hidden agenda, the same can't be said for your move. But I will give you that it doesn't make much sense from a mafia angle. However, I've argued the "doesn't make sense for the mafia" thing plenty before and the person I'm talking about turns up being mafia. So it all goes back to not knowing.
Either way, my vote was early in the round and was going towards how I'd like to see the runoff shape up more then getting anyone voted out. Hoping we get more discussion now that the holiday is over.
To add to above imo you are on the hot seat because you countered my move by throwing the known townie into the runoff, not really the timing.
Regarding I also stated later that I thought late vote switches should get automatic extensions and that they were chickenshit, with which Rummy agreed at least.
I considered that part an overall rules discussion not having bearing on the current game
But overall I agree, I don't usually consider who the inspector first voted for as a hint. Having said that, you are only looking at it as what the inspector would do. Which is separate from the issue of why the mafia thought he was inspector, that's if they didn't whack him purely to set someone up. It's hard to say this early on.
This should read more like "I don't usually consider who a whacked player first voted for as an inspector hint." My bad.
To add to above imo you are on the hot seat because you countered my move by throwing the known townie into the runoff, not really the timing.
Regarding I also stated later that I thought late vote switches should get automatic extensions and that they were chickenshit, with which Rummy agreed at least.
I considered that part an overall rules discussion not having bearing on the current game
But how would I have known that I was throwing a known townie into the runoff? I have no information to go on. I'm flying blind here.
You should consider my statement about late vote switches as both a rules discussion and germaine to the current game. I'm not down with late vote switches in the hopes of catching people off guard.
With that said, I'll put my vote back on Jaz because I'm going to bed and have a busy day tomorrow. I'll check in the morning and consider moving my vote elsewhere if needed.
To add to above imo you are on the hot seat because you countered my move by throwing the known townie into the runoff, not really the timing.
Regarding I also stated later that I thought late vote switches should get automatic extensions and that they were chickenshit, with which Rummy agreed at least.
I considered that part an overall rules discussion not having bearing on the current game
But how would I have known that I was throwing a known townie into the runoff? I have no information to go on. I'm flying blind here.
You should consider my statement about late vote switches as both a rules discussion and germaine to the current game. I'm not down with late vote switches in the hopes of catching people off guard.
With that said, I'll put my vote back on Jaz because I'm going to bed and have a busy day tomorrow. I'll check in the morning and consider moving my vote elsewhere if needed.
potent > jaz > null > jaz
If you are town, yes you were flying blind and had no idea Jimmy's role but knowing now Jimmy is town there is always the chance a motive could behind your move. One of the few flimsy bits we have to go on.
Re late vote switches, I just want to know before a game starts if it is going to warrant an extension or not. I agree it is chickenshit but I don't see that as enough reason to not allow the possibility. In the case of last game it was EAP's initial vote of the round that would have offed JFG not a change if that makes any difference.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
If we go to a 3 way I believe NBF should drop out from this group. I've been going back and forth about this for a while now and I believe there might just be 5 mafia this game. Reasons to vote for or against all of the others are flying through my head
Also we can't go this close to the deadline without a runoff of some kind.
If we go to a 3 way I believe NBF should drop out from this group. I've been going back and forth about this for a while now and I believe there might just be 5 mafia this game. Reasons to vote for or against all of the others are flying through my head
Also we can't go this close to the deadline without a runoff of some kind.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
If we go to a 3 way I believe NBF should drop out from this group. I've been going back and forth about this for a while now and I believe there might just be 5 mafia this game. Reasons to vote for or against all of the others are flying through my head
Also we can't go this close to the deadline without a runoff of some kind.
....huh??
Translation: I don't have a fucking clue as you could have gathered with my terrible question to Potent that he had already completely answered. I'm probably way off and mafia are right in front of me and I keep missing them.
If we go to a 3 way I believe NBF should drop out from this group. I've been going back and forth about this for a while now and I believe there might just be 5 mafia this game. Reasons to vote for or against all of the others are flying through my head
Also we can't go this close to the deadline without a runoff of some kind.
Why is that? And what's your reasoning for voting for me?
I find it quite interesting that now that we have a whack to go off of, the people voting for me appear to be disregarding that completely. Their reasons for voting for me appear to be because of my actions at the end of last round, yet all three of them voted along with me - so if it's such a big deal, why go along with it then just to raise issue with it now?
I find it very curious that Farris is suddenly out of the runoff, seemingly for good. In order for him to be back in a 3 person runoff, numerous vote switches would have to occur since he's the lone vote on NBF now.
I've considered moving my vote to Farris to get him in a 2 way runoff, but don't want to let Potent off the hook so easily.
Dragon's posts don't always make sense to me, he seems to contradict himself. Dragon's vote change is also the move that makes Farris in the runoff much more difficult.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
And I agree - I just spent a few minutes trying to figure out a way for just two people, myself included, to switch and still keep potent in the run off but also get farry in there - but there isn't a quick and easy way to do it. I wish we were heading into a 3 way rather than 2 way right now; but anywhere I move my vote won't help since then it remove potent in order to get, say, Farris in there. Frustrating.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
