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Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
If we go to a 3 way I believe NBF should drop out from this group. I've been going back and forth about this for a while now and I believe there might just be 5 mafia this game. Reasons to vote for or against all of the others are flying through my head
Also we can't go this close to the deadline without a runoff of some kind.
Why is that? And what's your reasoning for voting for me?
I find it quite interesting that now that we have a whack to go off of, the people voting for me appear to be disregarding that completely. Their reasons for voting for me appear to be because of my actions at the end of last round, yet all three of them voted along with me - so if it's such a big deal, why go along with it then just to raise issue with it now?
RE: NBF - gut feeling out of the 4.
why you? You are one of the few that Jimmy being whacked can point to, from the challenge/question he gave you about changing your vote.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Dec 1, 2015 12:52:05 GMT -5
SFA >>> Potent
I'm starting to think we got burned with this runoff. A lot of things just aren't adding up. But it's more the contradictions between people's words and actions then anything. Besides why I and others have already mentioned, it should be noted that the same people going after these two for their vote switches have barely breathed a word my way.
Post by Farrisbueller on Dec 2, 2015 10:17:16 GMT -5
I've been really bad about consistently getting on to check the game, apologies town. I do still want time for plenty of discussion so all day today should be good.
Wasn't expecting to be removed from the runoff, I will most likely be a prime target on day 3 with the way things went for me the first two days.
I'm pissed off we went straight to a two person runoff, I think that's bullshit especially on a day 2 where we need as much talk and info as we can get.
I went back and have reread the thread a couple times. I am currently going off the assumption that the Jimmy whack was more of a misdirect, given how little talk occurred D1, Jimmy did put pressure on certain people and wasn't afraid to talk after he was removed from the runoff (or more importantly what went down between Jaz/SFA could be pointed to because Jimmy continued to add to the convo). Jimmy could have also been thought to be inspector and with as little as some people have said over the course of D1 I'm erring on the side that the mafia were content with the runoff D1, exactly what was first mentioned by Jimmy.
Since I now know Jimmy's role along with mine I can deduce that 2/3 of the last 3 on D1 were town. This means unless Tainted was mafia that there was not a discernable threat to the mafia and it would be kind of strange to make vote switches just for fun to confuse the town because you directly implicate yourself when doing so. Then throw in the fact that Jaz actually switched his vote to Tainted for the lynch and then Jimmy gets whacked. I can't see that being a huge mafia powerplay like people have said. This by no means clears Jaz but for me at this point it seems unlikely he was trying to confuse the town as Dragon has said. Everyone gets gut feelings, much like I did when I switched to Jimmy. It doesn't mean you are always correct or that you are for sure mafia.
With all that being said, if I vote for Potent that wil heavily heavily tie me to Jaz. I don't feel confident we for sure have a mafia today and I was already going to get extra attention next round as it is.
I've been really bad about consistently getting on to check the game, apologies town. I do still want time for plenty of discussion so all day today should be good.
Wasn't expecting to be removed from the runoff, I will most likely be a prime target on day 3 with the way things went for me the first two days.
I'm pissed off we went straight to a two person runoff, I think that's bullshit especially on a day 2 where we need as much talk and info as we can get.
I went back and have reread the thread a couple times. I am currently going off the assumption that the Jimmy whack was more of a misdirect, given how little talk occurred D1, Jimmy did put pressure on certain people and wasn't afraid to talk after he was removed from the runoff (or more importantly what went down between Jaz/SFA could be pointed to because Jimmy continued to add to the convo). Jimmy could have also been thought to be inspector and with as little as some people have said over the course of D1 I'm erring on the side that the mafia were content with the runoff D1, exactly what was first mentioned by Jimmy.
Since I now know Jimmy's role along with mine I can deduce that 2/3 of the last 3 on D1 were town. This means unless Tainted was mafia that there was not a discernable threat to the mafia and it would be kind of strange to make vote switches just for fun to confuse the town because you directly implicate yourself when doing so. Then throw in the fact that Jaz actually switched his vote to Tainted for the lynch and then Jimmy gets whacked. I can't see that being a huge mafia powerplay like people have said. This by no means clears Jaz but for me at this point it seems unlikely he was trying to confuse the town as Dragon has said. Everyone gets gut feelings, much like I did when I switched to Jimmy. It doesn't mean you are always correct or that you are for sure mafia.
With all that being said, if I vote for Potent that wil heavily heavily tie me to Jaz. I don't feel confident we for sure have a mafia today and I was already going to get extra attention next round as it is.
Farris > Potent
I have a bad habit of getting a feeling about someone early on and then not being able to see past it, so maybe that's happening here, but this just seems like a whole lot of nothing to me, and that makes me concerned.
I don't feel like you have much right to be pissed off about this going to a two-person runoff and a lack of talk when you had the opportunity to participate and try to spur discussion but didn't.
You talk about why you don't think Jaz is necessarily guilty, although you specifically say he's not cleared, but you don't give a reason at all for thinking that Potent could be mafia, and then you vote for Potent. The lack of explanation here is largely what I'm referring to when I say this post seems like a whole lot of nothing.
I've asked you two direct questions previously (why weren't you acting in your own self-interest and is there something that makes you think I'm guilty) in this game, and you haven't answered either one.
Farris, other than the fact that you're not voting me out, how does your vote heavily tie you to me?
I'm more suspicious of you than most, and Potent is pretty high up there as well (hence me keeping my vote on him this entire round), so I'm admittedly a bit surprised at your vote for him (only because it refutes some of my own suspicions). And although I don't want you to change your vote obviously, I agree with NBF in that it's weird that you're voting for Potent without actually saying why.
Also Carini, I thought I already answered your question through my convo with SFA.
you explained the reason and SFA agreed that it wasn't a likely mafia move, but I'm failing to see how it can clear you (not saying it implicates you but like I said how can it clear you)
I've been really bad about consistently getting on to check the game, apologies town. I do still want time for plenty of discussion so all day today should be good.
Wasn't expecting to be removed from the runoff, I will most likely be a prime target on day 3 with the way things went for me the first two days.
I'm pissed off we went straight to a two person runoff, I think that's bullshit especially on a day 2 where we need as much talk and info as we can get.
I went back and have reread the thread a couple times. I am currently going off the assumption that the Jimmy whack was more of a misdirect, given how little talk occurred D1, Jimmy did put pressure on certain people and wasn't afraid to talk after he was removed from the runoff (or more importantly what went down between Jaz/SFA could be pointed to because Jimmy continued to add to the convo). Jimmy could have also been thought to be inspector and with as little as some people have said over the course of D1 I'm erring on the side that the mafia were content with the runoff D1, exactly what was first mentioned by Jimmy.
Since I now know Jimmy's role along with mine I can deduce that 2/3 of the last 3 on D1 were town. This means unless Tainted was mafia that there was not a discernable threat to the mafia and it would be kind of strange to make vote switches just for fun to confuse the town because you directly implicate yourself when doing so. Then throw in the fact that Jaz actually switched his vote to Tainted for the lynch and then Jimmy gets whacked. I can't see that being a huge mafia powerplay like people have said. This by no means clears Jaz but for me at this point it seems unlikely he was trying to confuse the town as Dragon has said. Everyone gets gut feelings, much like I did when I switched to Jimmy. It doesn't mean you are always correct or that you are for sure mafia.
With all that being said, if I vote for Potent that wil heavily heavily tie me to Jaz. I don't feel confident we for sure have a mafia today and I was already going to get extra attention next round as it is.
Farris > Potent
I have a bad habit of getting a feeling about someone early on and then not being able to see past it, so maybe that's happening here, but this just seems like a whole lot of nothing to me, and that makes me concerned.
I don't feel like you have much right to be pissed off about this going to a two-person runoff and a lack of talk when you had the opportunity to participate and try to spur discussion but didn't.
You talk about why you don't think Jaz is necessarily guilty, although you specifically say he's not cleared, but you don't give a reason at all for thinking that Potent could be mafia, and then you vote for Potent. The lack of explanation here is largely what I'm referring to when I say this post seems like a whole lot of nothing.
I've asked you two direct questions previously (why weren't you acting in your own self-interest and is there something that makes you think I'm guilty) in this game, and you haven't answered either one.
First off, as was already discussed by Rothric and Rummy, it would have been very hard to get to a 3 way after the multiple vote changes occurred. I had my vote on you and couldnt do a thing with it unless multiple others switched their vote and I still wanted you in the runoff anyway! I dont really see what difference I could have made to produce a 3 way.
I was pretty clear earlier in the game that I took note of Potents vote change which took you out of the runoff. Potent also couldnt decide whether he wanted a 3 or a 2 way runoff (and still hadnt decided). We then went into a 2 way runoff specifically against my wishes and the main person I wanted in the runoff did not proceed either. At this point both NBF and Dragon (who flip flopped and made a push for Jaz beginning of D2) are both voting for Jaz along with Potent who had been on Jaz all of D2, except when he went null. As I said before which you ignored, not confident in us having any mafia this round but Potent is the more likely mafia candidate for me due to my explanation of Jaz. As for more things that implicate you, I dont have much except some circumstantial voting evidence and the fact I was drawn to that early Potent vote switch and wanted to put you on the hotseat to get more info.
I already answered the question regarding self preservation when I said I went with a gut feeling. We are trying to find mafia afterall not stay alive the longest (unless you're mafia). Now I am sure you will say that I have squeeked by far too much and I need to be the D3 lynch but there is a good chance that will end the game. Its kind of funny both Jaz, Potent and I have taken the most flak for vote switches (me less so) but SFA doesnt get the same treatment.
This post from Dragon needs to be brought up again.
Jaz might very well be town, but to this point, his big move served only to provide cover/framing material for the mafia. He's been an agent of confusion thus far.
If he is Mafia, fantastic. If he is town, while you never want to lose a townie, he's been nothing but a detriment.
Dragon, please tell me how SFA doesnt make you think much of anything other than his move was nothing more than "unnecessary" as you said in a previous post. Yet Jaz's move was so distracting and a mafia cover.
To answer Jaz, its more that people have made a push for you and so me being the deciding vote will draw them to me. I cant really see a Potent/Farris mafia combo like you are thinking of mainly because I was one of the ones to call out Potent for his switch and I was the one pushing for the person he saved to be in the runoff.
To answer Carini, I never said that because of the way I voted that I was "cleared" I just mean its more of a stretch that a mafia would make that type of move at the time that I made it. Since I wasnt saving myself, the two options are I am mafia and was trying to save my fellow mafia or that I am town. A good mafia would have moved off of Tainted long before then, I would have defended him when people got on him about his avatar.
As an aside, I am not sure how much Rummy has talked in the last couple games but going off previous experience she is unusually quiet at this point.
Something feels off with both Farry and Potent, so I don't really want to be voting alongside Farry....but I don't have much of a compelling reason to switch to Jaz. I do know that in previous games with Potent as mafia he has shown that he tends towards the "let things happen as they will" strategy and thus has voted for his own fellow mafia multiple times that I've seen. I wouldn't discount the notion that Farris is doing that for Potent here; not sold on the idea at all but just mentioning that it is a possibility people should conisder.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Jaz might very well be town, but to this point, his big move served only to provide cover/framing material for the mafia. He's been an agent of confusion thus far.
If he is Mafia, fantastic. If he is town, while you never want to lose a townie, he's been nothing but a detriment.
As an aside, I am not sure how much Rummy has talked in the last couple games but going off previous experience she is unusually quiet at this point.
I thought you specifically might say something about that haha, given how talkative I know I was in the games we've played together. I'll say a lot when I have a lot to say still...but I don't this game so far. I've learned to not ramble unnecessarily anymore; doesn't help the town sift through things very well.
Also admittedly holidays have played a role in my activeness/talkativeness thus far. I wasn't paying much attention to this game while visiting family last week.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal
Bleary-Eyed Bonnawook Globlist Facist Slave Dog
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Dec 2, 2015 16:44:39 GMT -5
Maybe my dyslexic ass isn't one to talk, but you guys are confusing the living hell out of me today. Please quote who you are speaking to so we have more context.
Something feels off with both Farry and Potent, so I don't really want to be voting alongside Farry....but I don't have much of a compelling reason to switch to Jaz. I do know that in previous games with Potent as mafia he has shown that he tends towards the "let things happen as they will" strategy and thus has voted for his own fellow mafia multiple times that I've seen. I wouldn't discount the notion that Farris is doing that for Potent here; not sold on the idea at all but just mentioning that it is a possibility people should conisder.
I keep coming back to this thought as well. Farris and Potent were definitely the two most suspicious to me, and the fact that Farris is voting for Potent does give me some pause. But like you said, Potent has had no issue leaving his vote on a fellow Mafioso before in order to create distance for the long term. It is entirely possible that a similar situation could be going on here.
I've been tempted to change my vote to Jazmo, but don't really want to be voting along with Potent and Dragon. So for the moment, my vote will stay on Potent.
Something feels off with both Farry and Potent, so I don't really want to be voting alongside Farry....but I don't have much of a compelling reason to switch to Jaz. I do know that in previous games with Potent as mafia he has shown that he tends towards the "let things happen as they will" strategy and thus has voted for his own fellow mafia multiple times that I've seen. I wouldn't discount the notion that Farris is doing that for Potent here; not sold on the idea at all but just mentioning that it is a possibility people should conisder.
I keep coming back to this thought as well. Farris and Potent were definitely the two most suspicious to me, and the fact that Farris is voting for Potent does give me some pause. But like you said, Potent has had no issue leaving his vote on a fellow Mafioso before in order to create distance for the long term. It is entirely possible that a similar situation could be going on here.
I've been tempted to change my vote to Jazmo, but don't really want to be voting along with Potent and Dragon. So for the moment, my vote will stay on Potent.
Are you talking about when you and Monie were mafia with Potent? But wasn't his vote already stuck in that game? He voted for a fellow mafia when it was just distancing. This would be purposefully voting one off.
Not that it isn't happening. It could be to lay low because they don't think they have the inspector, I guess.
I'm tempted to change but it's more for what Farris had to say in his last post then anything Jaz has done. Meh.
I keep coming back to this thought as well. Farris and Potent were definitely the two most suspicious to me, and the fact that Farris is voting for Potent does give me some pause. But like you said, Potent has had no issue leaving his vote on a fellow Mafioso before in order to create distance for the long term. It is entirely possible that a similar situation could be going on here.
I've been tempted to change my vote to Jazmo, but don't really want to be voting along with Potent and Dragon. So for the moment, my vote will stay on Potent.
Are you talking about when you and Monie were mafia with Potent? But wasn't his vote already stuck in that game? He voted for a fellow mafia when it was just distancing. This would be purposefully voting one off.
Not that it isn't happening. It could be to lay low because they don't think they have the inspector, I guess.
I'm tempted to change but it's more for what Farris had to say in his last post then anything Jaz has done. Meh.
Yes, that was one of the times, but I believe I observed another game where he did it as well, not 100% on that though.
And I'm definitely not convinced that's happening here, just a possibility to consider.
Are you talking about when you and Monie were mafia with Potent? But wasn't his vote already stuck in that game? He voted for a fellow mafia when it was just distancing. This would be purposefully voting one off.
Not that it isn't happening. It could be to lay low because they don't think they have the inspector, I guess.
I'm tempted to change but it's more for what Farris had to say in his last post then anything Jaz has done. Meh.
Yes, that was one of the times, but I believe I observed another game where he did it as well, not 100% on that though.
And I'm definitely not convinced that's happening here, just a possibility to consider.
Now that you mention it I remember him using a prior example as an excuse in that game. So yeah, it must have been in one before I started playing again.
What stuck out to me is he hasn't done his usual routine of asking everyone about their votes, etc. But a lot of people are playing different this game. Which seems to be a trend likely brought on by the holiday break. Maybe?
As an aside, I am not sure how much Rummy has talked in the last couple games but going off previous experience she is unusually quiet at this point.
I thought you specifically might say something about that haha, given how talkative I know I was in the games we've played together. I'll say a lot when I have a lot to say still...but I don't this game so far. I've learned to not ramble unnecessarily anymore; doesn't help the town sift through things very well.
Also admittedly holidays have played a role in my activeness/talkativeness thus far. I wasn't paying much attention to this game while visiting family last week.
Of the five people voting for Potent, three of them have expressed interest in both Farris and Potent - myself, Rummy, and Rothric. Personally, that makes me feel a bit less suspicious about Rummy and Rothric - their votes are consistent with their statements. And I'm town and they happen to agree with me, so I can't pretend that doesn't make me feel better about them as well. I'm pointing this out now because since I know I am town, if there is a vote switch I would expect it to come from SFA or Farris. SFA would likely be reticent to pull another late-round switch, and Farris would just look suspect as fuck if he switched his vote over to me. So I half expect the round to end with the votes as they stand. I don't necessarily think Potent and Farris are Mafia together, but that doesn't lessen my belief that one of them probably is.
Regardless, usually in this type of situation we see a 2-1 Mafia split, unless Potent is Mafia and he and his two cronies have all voted for me in the hopes that a townie will switch over my way. If Potent is town along with me, I surmise that the Mafia would rather let Potent live than I, since Potent is generally harder to read and make sense of regardless of his role.
All of what I've said leads me to believe that regardless of Potent's role, there are probably two Mafia voting for me right now. I think it's also worth pointing out that Potent, Carini, and Dragon voted together in voting off Tainted.
As a general disclaimer, I just want to say as well that in the past whenever I thought I've had something figured out early in the game, I've been totally wrong. So history tells me there's a good chance I'm wrong here as well. I know I have a tendency to talk too much (my jibes at Rummy notwithstanding) so I was hesitant to post any of this - especially since I've already been obliquely accused of providing potential cover for Mafia - but I feel like I'm onto something strongly enough that I wanted to voice my thoughts in case I get whacked.
It is hard to gauge whether the quieter game is a due solely to the holidays or not. That definitely affected me earlier in the week, but I'm back in my normal routine now.
Of the five people voting for Potent, three of them have expressed interest in both Farris and Potent - myself, Rummy, and Rothric. Personally, that makes me feel a bit less suspicious about Rummy and Rothric - their votes are consistent with their statements. And I'm town and they happen to agree with me, so I can't pretend that doesn't make me feel better about them as well.
Meaning that they've expressed suspicion of both Potent and Farris.
Are you talking about when you and Monie were mafia with Potent? But wasn't his vote already stuck in that game? He voted for a fellow mafia when it was just distancing. This would be purposefully voting one off.
Not that it isn't happening. It could be to lay low because they don't think they have the inspector, I guess.
I'm tempted to change but it's more for what Farris had to say in his last post then anything Jaz has done. Meh.
Yes, that was one of the times, but I believe I observed another game where he did it as well, not 100% on that though.
And I'm definitely not convinced that's happening here, just a possibility to consider.
I believe it was the second most recent time that Potent was mafia (so not the one where he was with Monie), with I think Taint and uhhh, can't recall the third. Was it Bleek? They were all three voting for each other willy nilly and it honestly did allow for a lot of confusion among the town in later rounds. It is a risky strategy but not one completelywithout potential merit
I thought you specifically might say something about that haha, given how talkative I know I was in the games we've played together. I'll say a lot when I have a lot to say still...but I don't this game so far. I've learned to not ramble unnecessarily anymore; doesn't help the town sift through things very well.
Also admittedly holidays have played a role in my activeness/talkativeness thus far. I wasn't paying much attention to this game while visiting family last week.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal
Bleary-Eyed Bonnawook Globlist Facist Slave Dog
Of the five people voting for Potent, three of them have expressed interest in both Farris and Potent - myself, Rummy, and Rothric. Personally, that makes me feel a bit less suspicious about Rummy and Rothric - their votes are consistent with their statements. And I'm town and they happen to agree with me, so I can't pretend that doesn't make me feel better about them as well.
Meaning that they've expressed suspicion of both Potent and Farris.
So have I, in my own way. I'm not one to go heavy with the name calling because I'm afraid it will set people up after I'm whacked. But the last couple of games have showed that maybe I shouldn't worry about that anyway?
And I wouldn't change my vote because I didn't buy into Dragon's reasons. Which I said early in the round.
Of the five people voting for Potent, three of them have expressed interest in both Farris and Potent - myself, Rummy, and Rothric. Personally, that makes me feel a bit less suspicious about Rummy and Rothric - their votes are consistent with their statements. And I'm town and they happen to agree with me, so I can't pretend that doesn't make me feel better about them as well.
Meaning that they've expressed suspicion of both Potent and Farris.
How about those of u who are suspicious of Farris, Potent, and you?
Post by potentpotables on Dec 2, 2015 21:16:50 GMT -5
I don't know what to say that will convince anyone I'm town, and I'm not convinced Jaz is mafia, so I guess I'm going to bow out gracefully as of 11pm real time.
Meaning that they've expressed suspicion of both Potent and Farris.
How about those of u who are suspicious of Farris, Potent, and you?
What about them? The two people who come to mind are Rothric and Rummy, and I've already said how I feel about them. If you're referring to other people you'll have to be more specific because I'm not rereading the thread in the hopes that I might figure out who you're referring to. Lots of people have mentioned me this game. And what's your actual question? "How about them?" isn't really asking me much.
How about those of u who are suspicious of Farris, Potent, and you?
What about them? The two people who come to mind are Rothric and Rummy, and I've already said how I feel about them. If you're referring to other people you'll have to be more specific because I'm not rereading the thread in the hopes that I might figure out who you're referring to. Lots of people have mentioned me this game. And what's your actual question? "How about them?" isn't really asking me much.
Poor wording I guess. I was more clarifiYing my position. Not sure if others do
