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I've got to imagine they have enough staff to multitask this stuff.
Not staff. They may have given more preference to Bonnaroo when deciding which fest should get which acts. That's a massive oversimplification of the booking process, but that's the reason to see SK's letdown as a positive for Roo.
I guess it depends to what extent the consider to be a "Big Deal" compared to other fests
Looking at the top lines of both festivals this year shows Bonnaroo is booking at a way higher level than Shaky Knees, but how they choose to fill out the rest of the festival based on that will make or break them
Not staff. They may have given more preference to Bonnaroo when deciding which fest should get which acts. That's a massive oversimplification of the booking process, but that's the reason to see SK's letdown as a positive for Roo.
I guess it depends to what extent the consider to be a "Big Deal" compared to other fests Looking at the top lines of both festivals this year shows Bonnaroo is booking at a way higher level than Shaky Knees, but how they choose to fill out the rest of the festival based on that will make or break them
I don't agree with this. Even if the undercard looks like last year's, as long as the rumored top 3 holds, they will sell boatloads more tickets than last year. Inforoo might not be happy, but I'm sure the end result would satisfy Live Nation from a financial perspective.
I guess it depends to what extent the consider to be a "Big Deal" compared to other fests Looking at the top lines of both festivals this year shows Bonnaroo is booking at a way higher level than Shaky Knees, but how they choose to fill out the rest of the festival based on that will make or break them
I don't agree with this. Even if the undercard looks like last year's, as long as the rumored top 3 holds, they will sell boatloads more tickets than last year. Inforoo might not be happy, but I'm sure the end result would satisfy Live Nation from a financial perspective.
I was talking more in terms of quality of the festival, but also I think the problem with ticket sales in 2016 was total dissonance between the headliners and the undercard. The options for fans of Pearl Jam, Dead & Co, and even LCD Soundsystem were extremely limited. If they do that again this year I think they're gonna still have someissues selling tickets, even with U2 at the top--though not to the extent of last year. RHCP isn't going to be moving tickets, that's for sure. The Weeknd being a pop act has more "casual" fans that wouldn't necessarily drive to the middle of nowhere to see him (especially since he's been constantly touring arenas since he blew up)
I don't agree with this. Even if the undercard looks like last year's, as long as the rumored top 3 holds, they will sell boatloads more tickets than last year. Inforoo might not be happy, but I'm sure the end result would satisfy Live Nation from a financial perspective.
the problem with ticket sales in 2016 was Pearl Jam, Dead & Co, and LCD Soundsystem
I don't agree with this. Even if the undercard looks like last year's, as long as the rumored top 3 holds, they will sell boatloads more tickets than last year. Inforoo might not be happy, but I'm sure the end result would satisfy Live Nation from a financial perspective.
I was talking more in terms of quality of the festival, but also I think the problem with ticket sales in 2016 was total dissonance between the headliners and the undercard. The options for fans of Pearl Jam, Dead & Co, and even LCD Soundsystem were extremely limited. If they do that again this year I think they're gonna still have someissues selling tickets, even with U2 at the top--though not to the extent of last year. RHCP isn't going to be moving tickets, that's for sure. The Weeknd being a pop act has more "casual" fans that wouldn't necessarily drive to the middle of nowhere to see him (especially since he's been constantly touring arenas since he blew up)
You're significantly underestimating both RHCP's and the Weeknd's fanbases. Especially RHCP. The trashy EDM crowd will be pumped for RHCP.
I don't agree with this. Even if the undercard looks like last year's, as long as the rumored top 3 holds, they will sell boatloads more tickets than last year. Inforoo might not be happy, but I'm sure the end result would satisfy Live Nation from a financial perspective.
I was talking more in terms of quality of the festival, but also I think the problem with ticket sales in 2016 was total dissonance between the headliners and the undercard. The options for fans of Pearl Jam, Dead & Co, and even LCD Soundsystem were extremely limited. If they do that again this year I think they're gonna still have someissues selling tickets, even with U2 at the top--though not to the extent of last year. RHCP isn't going to be moving tickets, that's for sure. The Weeknd being a pop act has more "casual" fans that wouldn't necessarily drive to the middle of nowhere to see him (especially since he's been constantly touring arenas since he blew up)
I think you're underestimating RHCP's draw. They could easily be a #1 at many festivals.
the problem with ticket sales in 2016 was Pearl Jam, Dead & Co, and LCD Soundsystem
FTFY
I disagree, that's a solid top line
back that up with an undercard that isn't 75% acts that have only been around 5 years and you'd have no problem selling tickets with those headliners
EDIT: at the risk of getting off the topic of Disney parks, I'm going to repost this breakdown of the past two years lineups I did when I was bored, that I think really emphasizes this:
2016:
Acts that put out a debut album before 2010 (11 acts): Pearl Jam, Dead & Company, LCD Soundsystem, Death Cab for Cutie, M83, Ween, Jason Isbell, Band of Horses, Grace Potter, The Claypool Lennon Delirium (technically not, but it's Les Claypool), Tyler the Creator
Acts that put out a debut album 2010 or later (29 acts): J. Cole, Ellie Goulding, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, Tame Impala, Haim, Halsey, CHVRCHES, Miguel, Chris Stapleton, Bryson Tiller, The Chainsmokers, Big Grams (technically Big Boi is established though Phantogram is new), Leon Bridges, Father John Misty, Purity Ring, Two Door Cinema Club, Sam Hunt, Flosstradamus, Zeds Dead, Adventure Club, GriZ, Charles Bradley & His Extraordinaires, Nathaniel Rateliff & The Night Sweats, Blood Orange, Lord Huron, RL Grime, X Ambassadors
2015:
Acts that put out a debut album before 2009 (27 acts): Billy Joel, Mumford & Sons, Deadmau5, Robert Plant, My Morning Jacket, Bassnectar, D'Angelo and the Vanguard, Slayer, Ben Harper & The Innocent Criminals, Belle & Sebastian, Spoon , The War on Drugs, STS9, Ben Folds & yMusic, Atmosphere, Atomic Bomb! Who is William Onyeabor? (technically no album, though they're a supergroup playing an older artist's music), Brandi Carlile, Flying Lotus, Earth Wind & Fire, Caribou, Gary Clark Jr., Punch Brothers, Medeski Scofield Martin & Wood, Run The Jewels (technically not, though El-P and Killer Mike are established artists), Tycho, Trampled By Turtles
Acts that put out a debut album 2009 or later (13 acts): Kendrick Lamar, Florence + The Machine, Alabama Shakes, Childish Gambino, Flume, Hozier, Twenty One Pilots, SBTRKT, Kacey Musgraves, Tove Lo, Odesza, Dawes, G-Eazy
I'm looking forward to this thread tomorrow. Something doesn't smell right.
The top 3 alone sounds big for any fest in this oversaturated fest market - especially given some of the turds we've seen other comparable fests turn out so far in January. To say nothing of the fanciful undercard hopes. And especially ESPECIALLY for a fest that sold 40k last year.
No social media screw ups with leaks. Just a business like early morning release with no fanfare. Very C3.
Maybe they are really just going to Make Bonnaroo Great Again. But if this is just building up to another big stinkbomb - oh baby. Can't wait.
I don't agree with this. Even if the undercard looks like last year's, as long as the rumored top 3 holds, they will sell boatloads more tickets than last year. Inforoo might not be happy, but I'm sure the end result would satisfy Live Nation from a financial perspective.
I was talking more in terms of quality of the festival, but also I think the problem with ticket sales in 2016 was total dissonance between the headliners and the undercard. The options for fans of Pearl Jam, Dead & Co, and even LCD Soundsystem were extremely limited. If they do that again this year I think they're gonna still have someissues selling tickets, even with U2 at the top--though not to the extent of last year. RHCP isn't going to be moving tickets, that's for sure. The Weeknd being a pop act has more "casual" fans that wouldn't necessarily drive to the middle of nowhere to see him (especially since he's been constantly touring arenas since he blew up)
Since becoming a family man 13 years ago, we've done Disney many times. Its ALL about planning and maybe thats why Magic K isnt getting the love.
Magic - Splash Mtn forever rules. It just feels good to be there. Epcot - I have a drink around the world t-shirt for rracking purposes. H'wood - Daughter has loved Tower of Terror since she was 5 Animal - Like it, but too much walking for too little activity.
Been to Roo 8 times, but not since '14. Hoping this year's lineup gets me back.
Why would anyone need a full day at Animal Kingdom? There are 2 things worth doing in the entire park.
Dunno, another reason it's so low on my list. I liked the dinosaur ride and the mountain ride. Got to see the last showing of Lion King before closing the park at like 5.
I was talking more in terms of quality of the festival, but also I think the problem with ticket sales in 2016 was total dissonance between the headliners and the undercard. The options for fans of Pearl Jam, Dead & Co, and even LCD Soundsystem were extremely limited. If they do that again this year I think they're gonna still have someissues selling tickets, even with U2 at the top--though not to the extent of last year. RHCP isn't going to be moving tickets, that's for sure. The Weeknd being a pop act has more "casual" fans that wouldn't necessarily drive to the middle of nowhere to see him (especially since he's been constantly touring arenas since he blew up)
ya wrong
well hopefully the lineup is good enough that we don't find out if I'm wrong or not
Was watching Gorrilaz perform Clint Eastwood at Glastonbury and someone was holding a sign up that said "I survived Glastonbury but U2 didn't." Was that because of the whole thing with the rain making an "ice rink stage" and him being stuck to it for wearing the wrong shoes? Someone also posted a video on inforoo of Bono ranting about Trump, does he go off on speeches like that a lot during his shows or? Jw
Was watching Gorrilaz perform Clint Eastwood at Glastonbury and someone was holding a sign up that said "I survived Glastonbury but U2 didn't." Was that because of the whole thing with the rain making an "ice rink stage" and him being stuck to it for wearing the wrong shoes? Someone also posted a video on inforoo of Bono ranting about Trump, does he go off on speeches like that a lot during his shows or? Jw
The year Gorrilaz performed U2 dropped out because Bono needed a back something or other. I think Gorrilaz replaced them? I can't remember. U2 came back the next year.
Since becoming a family man 13 years ago, we've done Disney many times. Its ALL about planning and maybe thats why Magic K isnt getting the love.
Magic - Splash Mtn forever rules. It just feels good to be there. Epcot - I have a drink around the world t-shirt for rracking purposes. H'wood - Daughter has loved Tower of Terror since she was 5 Animal - Like it, but too much walking for too little activity.
Been to Roo 8 times, but not since '14. Hoping this year's lineup gets me back.
^^^this is the only true ranking. Anyone who doesn't put MK up top is doing it wrong.
Although I will sometimes allow Epcot to be #1 because it is awesome. But Epcot and MK should definitely be in those top two slots in some order.
I have no idea how many times I've been to Disney. I know 6 times as an adult, not sure how many times as a kid. Lots.
At Osheaga last year RHCP had a bigger crowd than Radiohead. Nuff said
I wish there was a way to measure how many people would not have attended the festival if RHCP or Radiohead weren't on the lineup. That would be the ideal statistic.
Crowd size isn't that great of a barometer because, for all we know, RHCP's crowd could have been filled with people who were at the festival regardless for totally other reasons and different bands. They may have been like "eh might as well see RHCP now that I'm here. I know some of their songs and haven't heard of Radiohead."
But what if 75% of Radiohead's crowd would not have attended the fest if it weren't for Radiohead being on the lineup. Maybe because Radiohead has a diehard following that is willing to travel for them.
