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Has Mike D even made a post since being in the runoff? I know he's quiet but he's being extra silent this round IMO.
Also, while agree that LD has been acting weird and totally changed gears after being called out by ZIG, how does the SFA whack play into LD being Mafia?
Finally, I finish on saying that I think Carini is clearly someone the Mafia is cool with being in the runoff or even voted off. I think we should explore other people for the runoff besides him.
Zig's rationalization is: 1. I'm acting crazy 2. In Mafia 83, I was Mafia - and SFA was whacked Night 1. So because SFA gets whacked Night one and I'm playing, he says I did it again. As if the two games are related.
I think it's total stretch he's accusing me on, and feel the need to defend myself from his lies and misleading claims.
Post by potentpotables on Jun 27, 2016 8:39:08 GMT -5
So this is interesting...it's either a natural extension with Jaz missing a vote, or an extension requested by a player in the game. I'm really loathe to grant an extension after a 72 hour runoff. But, I'm here to serve - the extension will be granted until 10pm EDT tonight. Fair warning - *THIS IS A HARD DEADLINE*. If I fall asleep watching The Bachelorette something manly, the round is still over at 10pm EDT and I'll get to it when I wake up. If that means the round has ended with someone being lynched, then the night starts immediately, at which point the mafia has 18 hours to get their whack in (heh) and the inspector has 18 hours to get a guess in. I will plan on ending the night in six hour increments again, which means it would be posted at either 4am, 10am, or 4pm tomorrow.
Has Mike D even made a post since being in the runoff? I know he's quiet but he's being extra silent this round IMO.
Also, while agree that LD has been acting weird and totally changed gears after being called out by ZIG, how does the SFA whack play into LD being Mafia?
Finally, I finish on saying that I think Carini is clearly someone the Mafia is cool with being in the runoff or even voted off. I think we should explore other people for the runoff besides him.
Zig's rationalization is: 1. I'm acting crazy 2. In Mafia 83, I was Mafia - and SFA was whacked Night 1. So because SFA gets whacked Night one and I'm playing, he says I did it again. As if the two games are related.
I think it's total stretch he's accusing me on, and feel the need to defend myself from his lies and misleading claims.
So this is interesting...it's either a natural extension with Jaz missing a vote, or an extension requested by a player in the game. I'm really loathe to grant an extension after a 72 hour runoff. But, I'm here to serve - the extension will be granted until 10pm EDT tonight. Fair warning - *THIS IS A HARD DEADLINE*. If I fall asleep watching The Bachelorette something manly, the round is still over at 10pm EDT and I'll get to it when I wake up. If that means the round has ended with someone being lynched, then the night starts immediately, at which point the mafia has 18 hours to get their whack in (heh) and the inspector has 18 hours to get a guess in. I will plan on ending the night in six hour increments again, which means it would be posted at either 4am, 10am, or 4pm tomorrow.
So this is interesting...it's either a natural extension with Jaz missing a vote, or an extension requested by a player in the game. I'm really loathe to grant an extension after a 72 hour runoff. But, I'm here to serve - the extension will be granted until 10pm EDT tonight. Fair warning - *THIS IS A HARD DEADLINE*. If I fall asleep watching The Bachelorette something manly, the round is still over at 10pm EDT and I'll get to it when I wake up. If that means the round has ended with someone being lynched, then the night starts immediately, at which point the mafia has 18 hours to get their whack in (heh) and the inspector has 18 hours to get a guess in. I will plan on ending the night in six hour increments again, which means it would be posted at either 4am, 10am, or 4pm tomorrow.
My request would be a 2 hour extension.
I considered that but I'm uncomfortable with not giving everyone a chance to check in. This round can be ended by everyone locking their votes. I'll end it before 10pm that way. Otherwise, 10pm is a hard deadline.
Day Two 1. Thor >>> Mike D 2. LD >>> JR 3. Mike D >>> Carini 4. Carini >>> Mike D 5. ZIG >>> LD* 6. JR >>> Monky 7. LD >>> JR >>> ZIG 8. JR >>> Monky >>> LD 9. Jaz >>> Carini 10. Monky >>> Taint 11. Taint >>> Carini 12. Taint >>> Carini >>> null 13. Taint >>> Carini >>> null >>> ZIG
Day Two, Round Two
14. Monky >>> Carini 15. Jaz >>> Carini >>> null
Left to Vote
Jaz Ref Notes
The first runoff of Day Two has been extended until 10pm EDT on Monday, June 27. This tally is provided because it's part of the ref's description but also at least partially because LD is incapable of counting a whole two vote changes over the weekend and feels the need to call out a volunteer on this fact.
And these Day 2 post counts include a ton of non-game related chatter that looks like post padding.
So, If you are town and not contributing to this game, shame on you. What's the purpose of playing if you don't contribute.
I am not contributing enough as town, I concur. I also appreciate that you have contributed so many different theories and talking points. While I don't have a concrete theory to base it around, the most logical thought to me is that Mike D is in fact Mafia, as is Monkybunney. I will take time to pick posts to contribute to this theory of mine later on, but as for now it seems like this to me:
Possibly town: Zig Carini LD
Town me
Mafia likely Mike D Monkybunney
no read / not enough of an inspection JR Thor
I don't lean one way or the other as to Rummys innocence, I can't tell if we got lucky or not but the idea that mafia thought SFA was inspector based on a previous games tactic is not entirely logical. People go out of their way to change their plan of approach, I've personally lamented my approach to inspector each time I've been it (twice I think)
Mike D is silent beyond comparison, and to me that spells the mafia silence. I'm available to talk, I'm here to discuss theories, and I'm done apologizing for not being involved enough. Zig you're right, shame on me, now help me unravel the ball.
Zig's rationalization is: 1. I'm acting crazy 2. In Mafia 83, I was Mafia - and SFA was whacked Night 1. So because SFA gets whacked Night one and I'm playing, he says I did it again. As if the two games are related. I think it's total stretch he's accusing me on, and feel the need to defend myself from his lies and misleading claims.
Clearly you didn't read my entire theory because I provided a lot more information and evidence than this.
But your second point is interesting because I never even mentioned the fact that SFA was Inspector during Mafia 83. I only brought up the correlation of your behavior in games like Mafia 83 when you are Mafia compared to how you typically play as a townie. The fact that you are now bringing up the fact that SFA was also inspector in Mafia 83 as justification that you aren't Mafia this game feels like a diversion.
And these Day 2 post counts include a ton of non-game related chatter that looks like post padding.
So, If you are town and not contributing to this game, shame on you. What's the purpose of playing if you don't contribute.
I am not contributing enough as town, I concur. I also appreciate that you have contributed so many different theories and talking points. While I don't have a concrete theory to base it around, the most logical thought to me is that Mike D is in fact Mafia, as is Monkybunney. I will take time to pick posts to contribute to this theory of mine later on, but as for now it seems like this to me:
Possibly town: Zig Carini LD
Town me
Mafia likely Mike D Monkybunney
no read / not enough of an inspection JR Thor
I don't lean one way or the other as to Rummys innocence, I can't tell if we got lucky or not but the idea that mafia thought SFA was inspector based on a previous games tactic is not entirely logical. People go out of their way to change their plan of approach, I've personally lamented my approach to inspector each time I've been it (twice I think)
Mike D is silent beyond comparison, and to me that spells the mafia silence. I'm available to talk, I'm here to discuss theories, and I'm done apologizing for not being involved enough. Zig you're right, shame on me, now help me unravel the ball.
What changed your view of Carini? You voted for him at the beginning of this round thinking you were adding him to the runoff (although it would have been a straight vote out) then switched your vote. If you believe Carini to be town, why would you want to add him to the runoff in the first place?
I am not contributing enough as town, I concur. I also appreciate that you have contributed so many different theories and talking points. While I don't have a concrete theory to base it around, the most logical thought to me is that Mike D is in fact Mafia, as is Monkybunney. I will take time to pick posts to contribute to this theory of mine later on, but as for now it seems like this to me:
Possibly town: Zig Carini LD
Town me
Mafia likely Mike D Monkybunney
no read / not enough of an inspection JR Thor
I don't lean one way or the other as to Rummys innocence, I can't tell if we got lucky or not but the idea that mafia thought SFA was inspector based on a previous games tactic is not entirely logical. People go out of their way to change their plan of approach, I've personally lamented my approach to inspector each time I've been it (twice I think)
Mike D is silent beyond comparison, and to me that spells the mafia silence. I'm available to talk, I'm here to discuss theories, and I'm done apologizing for not being involved enough. Zig you're right, shame on me, now help me unravel the ball.
What changed your view of Carini? You voted for him at the beginning of this round thinking you were adding him to the runoff (although it would have been a straight vote out) then switched your vote. If you believe Carini to be town, why would you want to add him to the runoff in the first place?
Also, what makes you feel like LD is town?
Carini hasn't voted or behaved in a way that to me would indicate mafia, I corrected my vote immediately after realizing it was going to vote him outright. I am looking for longer runoffs, as I feel there is more potential to slip when there is more conversation. Mafia agrees with this notion, game after game, by attempting to talk as little as possible. I'd venture to guess a statistical review of the last ten games would prove this to be valid more often than not.
As for LD, I am actually highly suspect of Monky - LD threw Monky under the bus on day 1 with is theory from the past game. It doesn't click after that, they don't seem to gel. I could be completely going in the wrong direction, and straw man is always a possibility, but it is what I've observed.
^^I already provided some Day 1post count data for the last 19 games. Mafia falls into the "quiet 3" 17 of the last 19 games, with 6 of those 17 games actually having 2 in the "quiet 3".
As for your Monky - LD idea, we can't it be the other way around? LD framing Monky?
^^I already provided some Day 1post count data for the last 19 games. Mafia falls into the "quiet 3" 17 of the last 19 games, with 6 of those 17 games actually having 2 in the "quiet 3".
As for your Monky - LD idea, we can't it be the other way around? LD framing Monky?
It is not out of the realm of reasonable possibility, and really only further discussion will reinforce or dilute is as a possibility.
The only voting pairs I see have been Thor and Carini, starting in Day 1 Round 2 they were both on JR, then both on Rummy, now they are paired up against me. Ya it's still kinda early in the game and we only have 1 mafia kill to go off of, but I posted my view of the kill and seeing this pair voting again makes me suspicious enough to keep my vote where it is. I am glad to see that we have one of the folks in the runoff that SFA mentioned but didn't vote for (Carini), one not directly related to the kill (LD) and 2 from the previous runoff (Zig and myself). From my point of view it would be beneficial to drop either Zig or myself from the runoff first and see how the votes go from there.
Wait, was SFA inspector in Mafia 83? If that's the case, his initial vote was for what I think was his given name.
Tbh, tho, that entire game was fubarred and tough to read/understand.
sorry, that was my mistake. Phi was inspector in Mafia 83, not SFA. LD brought up the fact that because SFA was the night 1 whack in Mafia 83 when he was Mafia, that he isn't Mafia in this game because the same thing happened.
I misstated but think that LD brought this point up as a diversion. My only original comment on LD and Mafia 83 is that his game play felt similar. Also, last game (Mafia 92) LD was inspector and he was really erratic. Basically I believe there is a trend with LD and how he acts and whether he has a role or is just town.
The only voting pairs I see have been Thor and Carini, starting in Day 1 Round 2 they were both on JR, then both on Rummy, now they are paired up against me. Ya it's still kinda early in the game and we only have 1 mafia kill to go off of, but I posted my view of the kill and seeing this pair voting again makes me suspicious enough to keep my vote where it is. I am glad to see that we have one of the folks in the runoff that SFA mentioned but didn't vote for (Carini), one not directly related to the kill (LD) and 2 from the previous runoff (Zig and myself). From my point of view it would be beneficial to drop either Zig or myself from the runoff first and see how the votes go from there.
For starters, you really think myself and Carini would be voting together in every single round if we were Mafia? I didn't even notice it myself until you pointed it out, and I'll chalk it up to a mere coincidence.
Second, I agree that dropping ZiG makes sense since I don't get a Mafia vibe from him. I'm cool with a 2 or 3 person runoff. But what do you make of the absolute silence for multiple days when Carini was up to 3 votes on his own? DoeSnt that signal Mafia was ok with him being voted off? To me, Carini is even less suspicious than ZIG. Let's not forget that SFA actually voted for ZIG (and you).
The only voting pairs I see have been Thor and Carini, starting in Day 1 Round 2 they were both on JR, then both on Rummy, now they are paired up against me. Ya it's still kinda early in the game and we only have 1 mafia kill to go off of, but I posted my view of the kill and seeing this pair voting again makes me suspicious enough to keep my vote where it is. I am glad to see that we have one of the folks in the runoff that SFA mentioned but didn't vote for (Carini), one not directly related to the kill (LD) and 2 from the previous runoff (Zig and myself). From my point of view it would be beneficial to drop either Zig or myself from the runoff first and see how the votes go from there.
SFA actually never mentioned me direct. He said the group of quiet people Zig posted should be looked at and I was a member.
If I was mafia wouldn't one of my mates have given me a runoff of some kind a little sooner?
The only voting pairs I see have been Thor and Carini, starting in Day 1 Round 2 they were both on JR, then both on Rummy, now they are paired up against me. Ya it's still kinda early in the game and we only have 1 mafia kill to go off of, but I posted my view of the kill and seeing this pair voting again makes me suspicious enough to keep my vote where it is. I am glad to see that we have one of the folks in the runoff that SFA mentioned but didn't vote for (Carini), one not directly related to the kill (LD) and 2 from the previous runoff (Zig and myself). From my point of view it would be beneficial to drop either Zig or myself from the runoff first and see how the votes go from there.
For starters, you really think myself and Carini would be voting together in every single round if we were Mafia? I didn't even notice it myself until you pointed it out, and I'll chalk it up to a mere coincidence.
Second, I agree that dropping ZiG makes sense since I don't get a Mafia vibe from him. I'm cool with a 2 or 3 person runoff. But what do you make of the absolute silence for multiple days when Carini was up to 3 votes on his own? DoeSnt that signal Mafia was ok with him being voted off? To me, Carini is even less suspicious than ZIG. Let's not forget that SFA actually voted for ZIG (and you).
I don't think much at all of anyone who is leading in votes for a while mid round, what matters to me is how the votes stand at the end of a round. If someone had multiple votes stacked to end a round at this point in the game it would be very suspicious. If carini was going to be voted off with 3 others in a runoff, ya it would be alarming. Players can move their votes around as much as they like, and often do so they can say "well if I was mafia why would I have voted for xxx" when in fact the mid-round votes actually carry little to no weight if you don't stick with them.
I'm suspect of both Mike D and Monky, but I don't think they're Mafia together because they're both on Carini right now. I'd think the Mafia would spread their votes out more. This, coupled with the fact that it seems like the Mafia was comfortable letting Carini be voted off, makes me less suspicious of Carini. However, a Carinia-Mafia could have been relying on the town to not let someone get voted straight off, in which case that move was well played. But for now my suspicions are lessened.
LD is also pretty high up on my list, so let's send the man forward.
The only voting pairs I see have been Thor and Carini, starting in Day 1 Round 2 they were both on JR, then both on Rummy, now they are paired up against me. Ya it's still kinda early in the game and we only have 1 mafia kill to go off of, but I posted my view of the kill and seeing this pair voting again makes me suspicious enough to keep my vote where it is. I am glad to see that we have one of the folks in the runoff that SFA mentioned but didn't vote for (Carini), one not directly related to the kill (LD) and 2 from the previous runoff (Zig and myself). From my point of view it would be beneficial to drop either Zig or myself from the runoff first and see how the votes go from there.
SFA actually never mentioned me direct. He said the group of quiet people Zig posted should be looked at and I was a member.
If I was mafia wouldn't one of my mates have given me a runoff of some kind a little sooner?
If you were/are mafia, why would your mafia mates put you in the runoff if you aren't in any danger of being in one? I don't really understand that question.
Mike D, I agree with your premise that final round/runoff votes are by far the most important.
But isn't it also important to note that had Jaz not gone to null and an extension granted by the ref, the round would have closed this morning with Carini voted straight off. The silence was defeating. You can't just ignore the atmosphere of the game and look exclusively at final round vote tallies. I've done that way too much and I'm learning that it's not all there is to this game.
I do agree with that in part, but that fact is he wasn't voted straight off. I do know some folks take a situation like that with a little more weight though, I personally see that as another little something the mafia has a chance to hide behind. Not saying they are or aren't, but it creates the opportunity to do so.
I do agree with that in part, but that fact is he wasn't voted straight off. I do know some folks take a situation like that with a little more weight though, I personally see that as another little something the mafia has a chance to hide behind. Not saying they are or aren't, but it creates the opportunity to do so.
Day 1 was also incredibly quiet, which included multiple runoffs. Add on Day 2 silence and a near straight vote off of Carini and that looks fishy to me. Additionally, I also almost voted off directly during the 5-way runoff Day 1 until I changed my vote, so it seems as though there has been a clear pattern of inactivity, vote movement, etc...
