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I had a feeling something was afoot when I asked Jimmy the odds of me/Viking/Jimmy all being Town. I was already in a place where I was reconsidering my vote... which, had I done so, would've created a 7-4 vote - but something that lopsided didn't feel right.
Dammit. I haven't had my two-drink minimum of coffee for the day yet. Last time I was in this situation, it didn't go so well.
A 10 hour extension will be granted, if requested. (Which would end the round at 10:00 P.M.)
Also, please note that I will be travelling to Las Vegas from Saturday through Thursdays for a drinking work event. I should still be able to handle my role though.
I have more but long and short is that I think that there is a mafia member between KDogg and Thor. I have not gotten to KDogg's posts in this post yet, but given the close and my meeting schedule, it will have to wait until after this runoff closes. I would like to reserve judgement at the moment and I would like a 3 person runoff so we have a bit more time, so I am not going to super stack. Plus, I am nervous about SFA, so I am ok with where my vote is.
1. Claim that there's a Mafia between Thor and I. Contradictory to where he suggests we're both probably/likely Town? 2. Comment about SFA does fit the narrative we just heard, though.
Checking back in, I don't see any reason to move my vote right now. Not suspicious of SFA but no sense in moving right now. After an initial read I would say I am most suspicious of Viking at the moment. His comment about Kdogg weaseling his was out of the runoff earlier doesn't sit right considering Viking has his vote on Kdogg earlier in the game, then moved to SFA. If you wanted Kdogg in there or thought it was strange he wouldn't be in the runoff at that time why didn't you move your vote? As it stands now though Kdogg is back in the runoff with Vikings vote about to reset along with mine. I am sure there will be more I see after another read.
Oh trust me, I wanted KDogg back in it and would have moved this morning. I just didn't want to make the change without putting my thoughts out there. And I didn't move my vote for the same reason you didn't move yours. It would have been counterproductive when I came back and found him already back in the runoff.
So my question back to you would be why is it suspicious for me to vote for SFA and not move back to KDogg after you voted for SFA even though you are saying "he is not suspicious" and I have clearly stated I find him to be a bit suspect? I find your timing especially curious after I outlined why I am a bit suspicious of SFA, so you obviously have been watching the game. IMO your post is a lot more suspicious than me not changing a vote without an explanation (which I never do) and then later not changing a vote to directly kill someone at the last minute. And you are suspicious of me voting for SFA who I also have reservations about. Me thinks you are stretching a bit Mike D and it makes me curious as to what you are hiding with your silence.
Again, fits with the suspicious of SFA narrative? Anyone else take anything more from this?
Yeap. I did as well. However, as I said previously, giving a pass given that it was a holiday weekend. Hell, I believe Mike D slept through a guess submission as inspector 2 years ago when I was ref during a 4th of July weekend. Not throwing out the data, but it is of less value (to me at least) than normal.
Especially that last line?
Ugh. I need more coffee. But I'm fine keeping my vote where it is for the time being.
^ One thing that sticks out to me there: Mike D's D1R3 vote was the one that put Viking into the final runoff.
At the time, I'd thought for sure that it would come down to me vs. Thor and was kind of surprised that it didn't. Viking's comments/exchange with Mike D might explain that.
Right now I'm inclined to believe him. I had taken notice of both SFA and Mike D's votes on him earlier in the game, and noted to myself that it could be two vets' (or just one's) attempt to take out a dangerous player. I haven't gone back and read their reasons for voting for him yet, but you'd think that if they were both townies they'd want one of the better players to remain in the game unless they had strong suspicions of him being Mafia. And yes, I realize that my own vote for Viking is in contradiction to this, but I'm a lazier player than SFA/Mike D, and like I said I find Viking's play to make my own read of the game more difficult.
Well, as promised, here are my final thoughts although maybe not in a way you anticipated KDogg. Congrats to the conscious voters. You have decided you no longer want to play with your inspector.
I was going to post this last night but the tone had softened by the time I landed and it just seems that Jimmy can't help but punch himself in the face. The hope was that one of you would actually play the game and realize that the votes I had pulled prior to everything with Jimmy were highly suspect, but regardless, here we are. For the record, I absolutely hate this role and it is the worst role for me because I am so polarizing.
So here we go. My given name was Mike D. I was going to ask about SFA tonight. For what it is worth, I actually think Jimmy is town. Jimmy is the new roonectar. His unforced errors make him an ideal person to use to try and draw out mafia members. Unfortunately feelings prevented doing that this game.
Anyways, I voted for KDogg just because he is KDogg and we were going to GNFnR that weekend.
My vote switch to SFA is actually something that I do every time he plays but I never moved off of him because Mike D was voting for him and for whatever reason, mafia members tend to vote for each other earlier thinking that voting partners means hiding. That was reinforced with all the "no one uses voting partners" talk early on. SFA has posted very little of substance and even self-admits his posts have been fluffy this game. He also reciprocated my vote which he rarely ever does when I do the "lucky" vote, hence why I believe him to be mafia and was going to guess him.
Given the balance of players, I have Dan & Jimmy as probably townies, then KDogg as a likely townie. Potent I have shaded towards townie as well.
That leaves Carini, Rummy, Jaz, & ZIG.
I personally think Rummy is just a woman scorned, and as I have stated all along, that is her right. Maybe this is a blind spot for me trying to be sensitive to her need to lash out but it no longer matters since I am going to die. You guys can figure that one out.
That left Carini, Jaz, & ZIG. Originally, I had it narrowed down to Carini or Jaz for the last one, but after ZIG's vote for me, he moved up to the top of that group. Note, it is not the fact that he voted for me but the why. ZIG is a creature of habit to a huge fault. He has previously stated that he always believes that there is a mafia voter in the last 4 voters and yet, conspicuously forgot about it this game and voted along with 3 of the last 4. This is while I was the initial vote for 2 of them. It does not ring true especially after how big a deal he has made of this in previous games. Carini is a black hole at this point and I have no read on him. I think Jaz is also voting based on emotions here.
So thats all I have guys. As a recap, Mike D is known, SFA is likely, then ZIG. If that doesn't work, Carini or Jaz (or I guess Rummy but unlikely). I tried to do a better job hiding than I did in Mafia 76, and left out all the connections I normally make in my posts, but the inertia of history was too great.
I am heading into a meeting shortly here that will last most of the day. You have everything from me, but if you have questions, ask JR for an extension and I will try and answer them.
I wish your other posts were as organized, well thought out, and lacking personal insults as this one.
Well considering Vikings responses to me were pretty lacking I can't say I am too surprised to see this lol. I felt your responses to me were more to get a reaction and not answer/have discussion which is why a felt you were most likely mafia out of the ones in the runoff. Round 1 is often a crap shoot, push a button and see who reacts. Guess I pushed the right button this game. Still waiting on that crayon drawing by the way.
And just for shits and giggles, before I change my name to MIA, typically how active am I in round 1?
I need to sink my teeth into all this new information from Viking; especially since he thinks I'm Mafia with SFA and Mike D, when I know that's wrong because I'm a townie.
Well considering Vikings responses to me were pretty lacking I can't say I am too surprised to see this lol. I felt your responses to me were more to get a reaction and not answer/have discussion which is why a felt you were most likely mafia out of the ones in the runoff. Round 1 is often a crap shoot, push a button and see who reacts. Guess I pushed the right button this game. Still waiting on that crayon drawing by the way.
And just for shits and giggles, before I change my name to MIA, typically how active am I in round 1?
I find it odd that Mike D doesn't explicitly deny being Mafia. My reaction wouldn't be so passive if I was a townie being wrongly accused.
I need to sink my teeth into all this new information from Viking; especially since he thinks I'm Mafia with SFA and Mike D, when I know that's wrong because I'm a townie.
For now...
ZIG > null
Why switch to null? By coming out as inspector he guarantees his death.
I need to sink my teeth into all this new information from Viking; especially since he thinks I'm Mafia with SFA and Mike D, when I know that's wrong because I'm a townie.
For now...
ZIG > null
Why switch to null? By coming out as inspector he guarantees his death.
Why switch to null? By coming out as inspector he guarantees his death.
What would you rather him do?
Well if we let Viking live we can expect mafia to wack him for obvious reasons. However, if we vote him out now mafia is forced to pick someone else to whack. He's a dead man either way and town would get more information from a whack that wasn't Viking.
I need to sink my teeth into all this new information from Viking; especially since he thinks I'm Mafia with SFA and Mike D, when I know that's wrong because I'm a townie.
For now...
ZIG > null
Why switch to null? By coming out as inspector he guarantees his death.
Well if we let Viking live we can expect mafia to wack him for obvious reasons. However, if we vote him out now mafia is forced to pick someone else to whack. He's a dead man either way and town would get more information from a whack that wasn't Viking.
We can't do mafia's dirty work for them. Only helps them if we vote off Viking now and they can spin things their way with choosing a different whack
Viking claims inspector. The town doesn't want to kill the inspector because the inspector is the most important townie.
My vote was on Viking. I moved to null so that both Viking and Thor currently have 5 votes. This ensures for the moment that Viking doesn't die by our hands.
Typically, with an inspector reveal, you want to force the Mafia to kill him. So in this situation, we would probably have to kill Thor, seems to be a growing pattern, and force the Mafia to whack Viking at night.
Well considering Vikings responses to me were pretty lacking I can't say I am too surprised to see this lol. I felt your responses to me were more to get a reaction and not answer/have discussion which is why a felt you were most likely mafia out of the ones in the runoff. Round 1 is often a crap shoot, push a button and see who reacts. Guess I pushed the right button this game. Still waiting on that crayon drawing by the way.
And just for shits and giggles, before I change my name to MIA, typically how active am I in round 1?
I find it odd that Mike D doesn't explicitly deny being Mafia. My reaction wouldn't be so passive if I was a townie being wrongly accused.
Post by potentpotables on Jul 7, 2016 11:01:05 GMT -5
The other part Dan808 is that Viking could be faking, and we would know this if he were left to live after night 1. Viking as mafia could of course sacrifice himself and have the mafia whack a mafia (still a rule I hate but whatever) and then we'd be down anyway, and we would presumably have the inspector left to help us out. If the mafia whacks Viking, we have confirmation he was inspector, or we still have the inspector alive if he's faking as town to save himself and the inspector.
If he's faking and he's mafia, so he's left alive and continuing the ruse of being inspector, then the person he names will know he's faking because they won't be mafia.
It's irresponsible of us as townies to kill someone who comes out as inspector, especially on Day 1. We'd be doing the mafia's dirty work for them.
The other part Dan808 is that Viking could be faking, and we would know this if he were left to live after night 1. Viking as mafia could of course sacrifice himself and have the mafia whack a mafia (still a rule I hate but whatever) and then we'd be down anyway, and we would presumably have the inspector left to help us out. If the mafia whacks Viking, we have confirmation he was inspector, or we still have the inspector alive if he's faking as town to save himself and the inspector.
If he's faking and he's mafia, so he's left alive and continuing the ruse of being inspector, then the person he names will know he's faking because they won't be mafia.
It's irresponsible of us as townies to kill someone who comes out as inspector, especially on Day 1. We'd be doing the mafia's dirty work for them.
Makes sense. I'm inclined to believe him right now though.
Oh wow. Okay. Just gave quick reread but glad to see there's an extension; about to go get lunch w my father and my car fixed after that. Will return to this in a few hours.
Inclination? Right now it is to believe Viking. Mike D/MIA was high on my suspicious list anyway so this isn't all too surprising of a truth to be revealed - if indeed true.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
My vote switch to SFA is actually something that I do every time he plays but I never moved off of him because Mike D was voting for him and for whatever reason, mafia members tend to vote for each other earlier thinking that voting partners means hiding. That was reinforced with all the "no one uses voting partners" talk early on.
So thats all I have guys. As a recap, Mike D is known, SFA is likely, then ZIG. If that doesn't work, Carini or Jaz (or I guess Rummy but unlikely). I tried to do a better job hiding than I did in Mafia 76, and left out all the connections I normally make in my posts, but the inertia of history was too great.
Well, giving that it's the first round I'm inclined to believe you. But, I must say, throwing this much shade my way makes me very leery. Seriously, I'm 'very likely" mafia? You do realize that if you are wrong(you are) that you're handing the mafia a bone, right? I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
Opening up the game voting for each other isn't evidence of shit. That goes for anyone. I pretty much always reciprocate a vote if I have one when the round starts. If not, I tend to pick an older player but it's whatever really. If anything, me not returning Mike's vote would be the irregularity in my playing style.
SFA has posted very little of substance and even self-admits his posts have been fluffy this game.
We apparently agree on some of the main points I did raise is my own superfluffy way. I didn't find Kdogg or Jimmy particularly suspicious so I didn't vote for either of them(Although I did consider it might be good info gathering for both to go forward). I thought the original hubbub was more of a misunderstanding based on personalities and playing styles. You apparently agree with that line of thinking as well, at least you do now....after my suspicious ass had already said it.
You know very well how I feel about calling out supposed mafia and getting into huge arguments in the first round. Why is it surprising I didn't involve myself in the argument? In fact, the last time I did involve myself in first round drama I was mafia. So there's that.
I also brought up that Kdogg, Potent and you are usual suspects for an early runoff. That's something you've echoed too.
Yet somehow I've said "little of substance."
He also reciprocated my vote which he rarely ever does when I do the "lucky" vote, hence why I believe him to be mafia and was going to guess him.
There's a good deal of distortion here. Your lucky vote tended to happen prior to any runoff and your vote didn't always force me into it. So I generally didn't feel justified in returning the vote, nor did I find it incredible suspicious of you. As I've already explained, I didn't fully trust you using that as a reason for placing me in a runoff, so I returned the favor. Your undervaluing my ability to play this game if you honestly think I'd give you a free pass based on a "luck vote." I know better.
Basically, It was the vote that made the most sense at the time. Like I've told you in plenty of games we've played together... You're overreacting and placing more meaning behind that vote than what is there. Stop it, please.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Jul 7, 2016 12:42:07 GMT -5
I'm heading back to work. Between that and helping move my grandmaw into her retirement community I'll be pretty occupied the next two days. I will certainly be around at night and will try to check in on my phone during the day.
