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One thing I have to point out regarding Viking is the numerous "if yall didn't want me to play, why didn't you tell me that from the beginning" comments. He has been playing this game long enough to know that someone has to go the first day. None of us want to be the day 1 vote, but a smart townie and someone playing this game as long as he has should realize that it's got to be someone and if it's you, you can still give the town something to go on. I said that from my point of view he was trying to get a reaction more than decent conversation with me, add that to the sob story comments that he made about how we should have told him not to play (almost like he wanted to give up instead of be in the first round runoff) and it starts to be more and more obvious, but right now I am the only one who knows he is full of it (besides the other two mafia).
Right now I think the inspector should not come out. If they were given a name other than Viking they now have two known mafia. Obviously I am not going to change my vote because I know Viking is mafia, but it is still the smarter move to vote off Thor and make the mafia kill off Viking. This basically guarantees the inspector will get an overnight guess and not be killed. If the mafia are really bold, think the town is completely lost, and has an extremely good feeling they know the inspector, they could kill off that person, making us waste next round voting off Viking, but I don't see that happening.
I think there is a reasonable chance the mafia though the inspector had Vikings name and that is why they chose him to come out as fake, it would make it easier for them if that was the only mafia name to come up if the real inspector comes out now. I am also assuming there is a chance they though it was me because I was the one they chose to say was mafia and also the vote on Viking that put him in the next runoff instead of kdogg, but no way to know for sure.
Having not played in a long while I don't know what the trends have been in recent games with faking inspectors, but I would be willing to bet that there is at least one other veteran such as kdogg, SFA, Thor, maybe Carini as mafia and most likely a newer player that that we would have no real reading on from past games that would make it easy to go deep into this game. Off hand I would say most likely danbob because I believe this is your first game? No sure how long you, potent, and rummy have been playing. Zig and Jaz would be wildcards for me. Considering Thor is most likely about to be voted off I would say he is least likely to be mafia in this situation. And no, I am not calling out anyone else as mafia, but putting myself in Vikings shoes, I would likely only do what he was doing if I had at least one of (if not both) Kdogg/SFA and danbob.
Whether or not you believe Viking I would like to hear some other thoughts from those who have played games in the last year or so where there was a fake inspector situation, I think it was 73 the last time I played (before last game).
One thing I have to point out regarding Viking is the numerous "if yall didn't want me to play, why didn't you tell me that from the beginning" comments. He has been playing this game long enough to know that someone has to go the first day. None of us want to be the day 1 vote, but a smart townie and someone playing this game as long as he has should realize that it's got to be someone and if it's you, you can still give the town something to go on. I said that from my point of view he was trying to get a reaction more than decent conversation with me, add that to the sob story comments that he made about how we should have told him not to play (almost like he wanted to give up instead of be in the first round runoff) and it starts to be more and more obvious, but right now I am the only one who knows he is full of it (besides the other two mafia).
Right now I think the inspector should not come out. If they were given a name other than Viking they now have two known mafia. Obviously I am not going to change my vote because I know Viking is mafia, but it is still the smarter move to vote off Thor and make the mafia kill off Viking. This basically guarantees the inspector will get an overnight guess and not be killed. If the mafia are really bold, think the town is completely lost, and has an extremely good feeling they know the inspector, they could kill off that person, making us waste next round voting off Viking, but I don't see that happening.
I think there is a reasonable chance the mafia though the inspector had Vikings name and that is why they chose him to come out as fake, it would make it easier for them if that was the only mafia name to come up if the real inspector comes out now. I am also assuming there is a chance they though it was me because I was the one they chose to say was mafia and also the vote on Viking that put him in the next runoff instead of kdogg, but no way to know for sure.
Having not played in a long while I don't know what the trends have been in recent games with faking inspectors, but I would be willing to bet that there is at least one other veteran such as kdogg, SFA, Thor, maybe Carini as mafia and most likely a newer player that that we would have no real reading on from past games that would make it easy to go deep into this game. Off hand I would say most likely danbob because I believe this is your first game? No sure how long you, potent, and rummy have been playing. Zig and Jaz would be wildcards for me. Considering Thor is most likely about to be voted off I would say he is least likely to be mafia in this situation. And no, I am not calling out anyone else as mafia, but putting myself in Vikings shoes, I would likely only do what he was doing if I had at least one of (if not both) Kdogg/SFA and danbob.
Whether or not you believe Viking I would like to hear some other thoughts from those who have played games in the last year or so where there was a fake inspector situation, I think it was 73 the last time I played (before last game).
Actually, and this might sound crazy, but if the inspector is not Viking, it might make more sense for them to come out now. Here's my reasoning. If Viking is faking, then we need to work under the assumption that he's mafia trying to save his ass (something I don't dismiss). If the inspector has someone else's name, they need to come out with it now because we would then kill a mafia member via Day 1, and we'd have a second name. That's a hell of a lot better for a first day than we usually do. Mafia will have to whack the out inspector overnight, so they won't get a guess in, but we'll already have a ton of information.
So I guess in an unorthodox move, I'm asking the inspector to reveal him/herself if it's not Viking. Let's not take a chance they kill you overnight and leave us more clueless than the town usually is.
One thing I have to point out regarding Viking is the numerous "if yall didn't want me to play, why didn't you tell me that from the beginning" comments. He has been playing this game long enough to know that someone has to go the first day. None of us want to be the day 1 vote, but a smart townie and someone playing this game as long as he has should realize that it's got to be someone and if it's you, you can still give the town something to go on. I said that from my point of view he was trying to get a reaction more than decent conversation with me, add that to the sob story comments that he made about how we should have told him not to play (almost like he wanted to give up instead of be in the first round runoff) and it starts to be more and more obvious, but right now I am the only one who knows he is full of it (besides the other two mafia).
Right now I think the inspector should not come out. If they were given a name other than Viking they now have two known mafia. Obviously I am not going to change my vote because I know Viking is mafia, but it is still the smarter move to vote off Thor and make the mafia kill off Viking. This basically guarantees the inspector will get an overnight guess and not be killed. If the mafia are really bold, think the town is completely lost, and has an extremely good feeling they know the inspector, they could kill off that person, making us waste next round voting off Viking, but I don't see that happening.
I think there is a reasonable chance the mafia though the inspector had Vikings name and that is why they chose him to come out as fake, it would make it easier for them if that was the only mafia name to come up if the real inspector comes out now. I am also assuming there is a chance they though it was me because I was the one they chose to say was mafia and also the vote on Viking that put him in the next runoff instead of kdogg, but no way to know for sure.
Having not played in a long while I don't know what the trends have been in recent games with faking inspectors, but I would be willing to bet that there is at least one other veteran such as kdogg, SFA, Thor, maybe Carini as mafia and most likely a newer player that that we would have no real reading on from past games that would make it easy to go deep into this game. Off hand I would say most likely danbob because I believe this is your first game? No sure how long you, potent, and rummy have been playing. Zig and Jaz would be wildcards for me. Considering Thor is most likely about to be voted off I would say he is least likely to be mafia in this situation. And no, I am not calling out anyone else as mafia, but putting myself in Vikings shoes, I would likely only do what he was doing if I had at least one of (if not both) Kdogg/SFA and danbob.
Whether or not you believe Viking I would like to hear some other thoughts from those who have played games in the last year or so where there was a fake inspector situation, I think it was 73 the last time I played (before last game).
Actually, and this might sound crazy, but if the inspector is not Viking, it might make more sense for them to come out now. Here's my reasoning. If Viking is faking, then we need to work under the assumption that he's mafia trying to save his ass (something I don't dismiss). If the inspector has someone else's name, they need to come out with it now because we would then kill a mafia member via Day 1, and we'd have a second name. That's a hell of a lot better for a first day than we usually do. Mafia will have to whack the out inspector overnight, so they won't get a guess in, but we'll already have a ton of information.
So I guess in an unorthodox move, I'm asking the inspector to reveal him/herself if it's not Viking. Let's not take a chance they kill you overnight and leave us more clueless than the town usually is.
If that's your thought process, then wouldn't it be better to go ahead and vote off jimmy (sry jimmy), to force the Maria's hand w the whack tonight?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Mike D
Bonnafunky Dirtyroo King of the Smileys :-)
Actually, and this might sound crazy, but if the inspector is not Viking, it might make more sense for them to come out now. Here's my reasoning. If Viking is faking, then we need to work under the assumption that he's mafia trying to save his ass (something I don't dismiss). If the inspector has someone else's name, they need to come out with it now because we would then kill a mafia member via Day 1, and we'd have a second name. That's a hell of a lot better for a first day than we usually do. Mafia will have to whack the out inspector overnight, so they won't get a guess in, but we'll already have a ton of information.
So I guess in an unorthodox move, I'm asking the inspector to reveal him/herself if it's not Viking. Let's not take a chance they kill you overnight and leave us more clueless than the town usually is.
If that's your thought process, then wouldn't it be better to go ahead and vote off jimmy (sry jimmy), to force the Maria's hand w the whack tonight?
I understand your point, but if the real inspector comes out now we only have their given name and Viking if Viking wasn't their given. If the inspector comes out now, the mafia kill them, leaving Viking (known mafia) alive. If the inspector waits, they have an all but guaranteed guess they can come out with to start day two, giving us more information at virtually no risk of the real inspector being killed overnight.
Possible scenarios, assuming Mike D and Viking are not both Mafia or both town:
1. We vote Thor out
A. Viking is Inspector
i. Mafia whack him, we vote out Mike D, and we start Day 3 with 1M/3T down, or 2M/2T down if Thor is Mafia. ii. Mafia let him live, we vote out Mike D, and we start Day 3 with 1M/3T down, or 2M/2T down if Thor is Mafia. In this situation I think we would also then have to vote out Viking in Day 3 to ensure that we have at least Mafia killed going into Day 4. iii. Mafia let him live, we vote him out thinking he's Mafia, and we start Day 3 with 0M/4T down or 1M/3T if Thor is Mafia.
B. Viking is Mafia
i. Mafia whack him, we vote out Mike D, and we start Day 3 with 1M/3T down, or 2M/2T down if Thor is Mafia. ii. Mafia let him live, we vote out Mike D, and we start Day 3 with 0M/4T down, or 1M/3T if Thor is Mafia. iii. Mafia let him live, we vote him out, and start Day 3 with 1M down or 2M down if Thor is Mafia.
2. We vote Viking out
A. Viking is Inspector
i. We vote out Mike D and start Day 3 with 1M/3T down.
B. Viking is Mafia
i. We vote out Mike D and start Day 3 with 1M/3T down.
The following opinion is probably going to make me look bad, but I think it might be wiser to vote out Viking, regardless of whether or not he's inspector. Voting him out this round and Mike D the next would ensure that we've voted out at least one Mafia - which is really the best scenario that we can hope for if we DON'T vote him out this round, unless Thor is Mafia also and we go 2 for 2 by voting out a Mafia next round. In not voting him out, we run the risk of opening ourselves up to greater confusion if the Mafia don't whack him, as well as to the possibility of having NO Mafia down going into Day 3 if they let him live and we vote out the townie out of Viking/Mike D. The only caveat is that Viking could be Inspector, the Mafia let him live to throw shade on him, and then we get another name out of it - but with this name comes a greater amount of confusion and clusterfuckiness.
^^ In addition to my above post, I guess the mafia could still off viking with the real inspector coming out now as an attempt to discredit the real inspector. Personally I wouldn't risk that, it's up to the inspector but I think we are better off waiting.
Though I should add that personally I think Mike D is full of shit, but if I've learned anything about Mafia by now it's that I'm almost always wrong when I think I know something.
Damn mobile app. Anyways, I will forgo my standard death linkage since it does not seem like you want it. I will only say look to the quiet folk.
If you choose to let me live, I will again try to tone it down but make no promises since I am not sure I can keep them. All I will say is that I can be an asset and will try to tone it down again. Otherwise, good luck.
Anyways, I will forgo my standard death linkage since it does not seem like you want it. I will only say look to the quiet folk.
Have at it, man. You never know what might become useful once Town gets more information down the line. Plus, it's not as if this is a landslide where the whole world's against you.
...and that question is: Was Viking really going to take this information to his grave unless either myself or someone else had prompted him for his linkage?
Actually, and this might sound crazy, but if the inspector is not Viking, it might make more sense for them to come out now. Here's my reasoning. If Viking is faking, then we need to work under the assumption that he's mafia trying to save his ass (something I don't dismiss). If the inspector has someone else's name, they need to come out with it now because we would then kill a mafia member via Day 1, and we'd have a second name. That's a hell of a lot better for a first day than we usually do. Mafia will have to whack the out inspector overnight, so they won't get a guess in, but we'll already have a ton of information.
So I guess in an unorthodox move, I'm asking the inspector to reveal him/herself if it's not Viking. Let's not take a chance they kill you overnight and leave us more clueless than the town usually is.
If that's your thought process, then wouldn't it be better to go ahead and vote off jimmy (sry jimmy), to force the Maria's hand w the whack tonight?
Yes, my thought process had nothing to do with who to vote off today. Instead, I'm saying that the inspector should come out now, especially if they don't have Viking's name, in case they are the whack tonight (because if Viking is mafia, we have to assume he won't be the whack tonight and Viking is left to BS his way through it). The chances are only going to go up (however incrementally) that they whack the correct inspector if Viking is faking.
For Day 1 inspector reveals, I am always of the prefence to keep the Inspector alive and force the Mafia to go after the Inspector during Night 1, even when that inspector is a slimy sketch-ball like Viking.
My thought process is, if Viking is faking inspector then the inspector is still out there and consciously taking the risk they will not be whacked. That's fine with me.
Assuming the inspector is someone else and they manage to survive and reveal next round, we can then determine either that Viking is inspector or Mafia. The added benefit however, is that we get another name out there who is either a fake inspector/Mafia or the real inspector. Letting Viking stay alive will force the Mafia's hand one way or the other, and should give us more information.
While I don't deny Jaz's logic at all, in that we are guaranteeing a dead Mafia by killing Viking and then Mike D, I like the potential future benefit of letting Viking go one more round.
If that's your thought process, then wouldn't it be better to go ahead and vote off jimmy (sry jimmy), to force the Maria's hand w the whack tonight?
Yes, my thought process had nothing to do with who to vote off today. Instead, I'm saying that the inspector should come out now, especially if they don't have Viking's name, in case they are the whack tonight (because if Viking is mafia, we have to assume he won't be the whack tonight and Viking is left to BS his way through it). The chances are only going to go up (however incrementally) that they whack the correct inspector if Viking is faking.
Potent - Considering the mafia don't have the real inspectors name, there is little to no chance they would kill them. I would not assume that Viking will make it through. If the mafia is faking inspector they have to kill off that person to give any credit at all to those false claims or no townie would believe them. Granted this is my second game in 2 years and there could have been some crazy scenarios since then, but that doesn't change the fact that a fake inspector claim is useless if they don't kill that person off. The mafia are fully prepared to kill off Viking tonight or they would have not fooled with doing this fake to begin with. If the mafia leave him alive there is no BSing his way through it, he would be (or should be) voted off next round.
Yes, my thought process had nothing to do with who to vote off today. Instead, I'm saying that the inspector should come out now, especially if they don't have Viking's name, in case they are the whack tonight (because if Viking is mafia, we have to assume he won't be the whack tonight and Viking is left to BS his way through it). The chances are only going to go up (however incrementally) that they whack the correct inspector if Viking is faking.
Potent - Considering the mafia don't have the real inspectors name, there is little to no chance they would kill them. I would not assume that Viking will make it through. If the mafia is faking inspector they have to kill off that person to give any credit at all to those false claims or no townie would believe them. Granted this is my second game in 2 years and there could have been some crazy scenarios since then, but that doesn't change the fact that a fake inspector claim is useless if they don't kill that person off. The mafia are fully prepared to kill off Viking tonight or they would have not fooled with doing this fake to begin with. If the mafia leave him alive there is no BSing his way through it, he would be (or should be) voted off next round.
I'll ask ZIG since he seems to have read more games than most, but I've played or reffed in I think every game since like 75 or 76 (the one where Viking was inspector and got in a tiff with Roonectar and was whacked night one) and the mafia has never killed one of their own. Basically, I'll believe mafia will do that when I see it. And then I'll go over to the rules thread to complain.
^^My data gathering only goes back to Mafia 72 at the moment, but I can't recall a "fake inspector reveal" in Day 1. There tends to be fake inspector reveals later in games but those are typically last ditch attempts by a last remaining Mafia to prevent a townie victory.
Yes, my thought process had nothing to do with who to vote off today. Instead, I'm saying that the inspector should come out now, especially if they don't have Viking's name, in case they are the whack tonight (because if Viking is mafia, we have to assume he won't be the whack tonight and Viking is left to BS his way through it). The chances are only going to go up (however incrementally) that they whack the correct inspector if Viking is faking.
Potent - Considering the mafia don't have the real inspectors name, there is little to no chance they would kill them. I would not assume that Viking will make it through. If the mafia is faking inspector they have to kill off that person to give any credit at all to those false claims or no townie would believe them. Granted this is my second game in 2 years and there could have been some crazy scenarios since then, but that doesn't change the fact that a fake inspector claim is useless if they don't kill that person off. The mafia are fully prepared to kill off Viking tonight or they would have not fooled with doing this fake to begin with. If the mafia leave him alive there is no BSing his way through it, he would be (or should be) voted off next round.
It doesn't make sense for them to fake inspector. Even if I'm Mafia, which I'm not, Viking wouldn't need to fake because one of use would die regardless. And let's be real here, if both me and Viking were Mafia, do you think I'd agree to let him fake inspector at my expense?
I just don't see why Viking would need to fake inspector. It's too early for Mafia to take such a risk. If Viking was not the given name, and he faked, the inspector could come out and we'd have 2 names. The mafia can't take such a risk this early, it would make no sense.
Is there anyone besides Mike D who thinks Viking is lying? A fake inspector reveal this early doesn't make sense to me as if Viking isn't the whack we'll vote him off.
The only first round inspector revealing I can remember without actually needing to yet is LD (which was pretty recent actually). But I don't see most other players doing that.
potentpotables My introduction to mafia was the mafia killing one of their own to throw off the town, and there was no fake inspector. I know we all have different experiences with this game, but I learned from the start that the mafia will do some crazy shit to make the game play out how they want. Believe what you want this game, but know that it is possible and has happened before, no rules against it.
I'll ask ZIG since he seems to have read more games than most, but I've played or reffed in I think every game since like 75 or 76 (the one where Viking was inspector and got in a tiff with Roonectar and was whacked night one) and the mafia has never killed one of their own. Basically, I'll believe mafia will do that when I see it. And then I'll go over to the rules thread to complain.
I was once outvoted 2-1 by my fellow scum to be the whack, in private talks with the Ref, over differences in strategy. That was some olde tyme shit, though... most active players nowadays probably don't even remember Hippie or Kelaroo.
If both you and Viking were Mafia, I would 1000% be in this runoff against one of you now, rather than the both of you facing off. I hope everybody recognizes this.
On a break as we head to dinner. Caught up and trying to answer questions.
carini12, you asked about clearing danbob. First, he was following some of the same logic trains as me early on about the suspicion of some moves. Second, he made a few "rookie" errors like the manual post counting that I feel would not have been made if he was mafia. But is a good point in that some of it may be that he was on Thor with me and was not making an emotional vote at the time many were. I still think he is town, but was my reasoning for clearing him.
kdogg, you asked if I would leave you high and dry. The answer is no. As stated in the prior post I made, I actually was going to come out then, but the softening of tone made me wait to see if I could get one more vote and try to stay hidden. My final posts in previous games were fairly bombastic and given the reason I was getting the votes, I thought it best to post what I did to show that I really was trying to play nicer in the sandbox. Obviously, it didn't work.
SFA's "you got the wrong guy, I agree with you post" was expected and does not change how suspicious he has been, so he remains the most likely 2nd mafia. It is nice to see Nice SFA though.
Mike is casting all types of shade (as I expected he would) at me once he got his thoughts organized and setting it up so that live or die, I am in a really bad spot. The mafia don't have to fake this round because none of them are on the chopping block. His recent posts look designed to try and give the mafia options Day 2.
The one point I agree with Mike on is that mafia members can and will do anything to try and win. The most important rule as mafia is to kill the inspector. The only time I can remember them letting the inspector live is when Hakuna and LLL set me up in a seven person game with Roonectar as the inspector. I didn't believe roo when he came out, he lived and we lynched him the next day. Game over. Mafia won. In this case I think I am a stronger player than roo, so I am likely dead but given who we are talking about, anything is possible.
I'll be back on this evening after dinner. Sorry if I missed anything. Let me know and I will answer it when I get back on.
