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It's been two pages since last tally. I hate doing tallies via mobile. I believe this is correct, but if I overlooked something let me know.
Ref's Note: I'm getting on a plane to Las Vegas in a couple hours. I won't be on my personal computer again until Friday morning. Forgive me if my posts lack clarity and my responses are a tad slow. kdogg, feel free to post tallies if I'm late. You can even add the noob ref tally back in.
carini12, are you ever going to participate in this game?
I don't see the need to repeat things over and over like the rest of you do. Aside from kdogg going down the rabbit hole what new info to discuss is there in the past few pages? I still maintain that killing SFA and seeing what mafia do with the whack is the best path for us to take
My research into all those Inspector vs. Given Name votes in Day One earlier actually turned up the following quote from Mafia 85. It is from the Referee in the postgame recap. It is yelling at the Town for being fools.
HOW DO YOU NOT VOTE OUT AN INSPECTOR WHO SURVIVES A NIGHT AFTER COMING OUT?!?!?!?
You'll notice that Mafia 85 is when I stopped reviewing these games and pivoted towards pushing for an Inspector vs. Inspector runoff. This was why.
Yeap. 100% agree. I would say I wish you had killed me with the first lynch because at least then you would have a known, but at this point, if it makes all of you more comfortable, I fully understand. I said I was surprised and still am. I said it was a dumb move and gave a potential scenario for why, but I still don't get it. ZIG even reinforced the potential reason i cited, calling me the biggest sketch ball or something earliest today. Prior to coming out, I said I felt I was being railroaded, but never like this. I can go back and quote it for you, but I said after I came out that the number 1 priority is to kill the inspector. Period. I still stand by that statement, and unfortunately, it will get me killed either by them or by the town. But I stand by it because it is completely accurate for reasons we have seen today.
Take a step back and consider if my position was switched with say Billy. He does not have the reputation issues. Would the mafia still let him survive? I highly doubt that and I would be first in line to kill him. I would have been first in line to kill ME today. That's why I was surprised by the mafia's fake timing as were all of you on Friday. And thats why I understand the desire to kill me. For the first time, the town will be dictating the play of the mafia this game instead of playing into their head games. It may piss me off and frustrate the hell out of me, but if it helps the town win, so be it. It would not be the first time I have been pissed and frustrated this game.
Either way, I am of no more value to the town at this point than any other townie here, aside from moving ZIG from 99% to 100% should the mafia choose to let me live. My guesses on what happens?
If the town decides to kill me,
Mafia will not kill ZIG. He will come out with a guess on a townie, and claim they are mafia. Probably one of the least helpful or most supportive of me. His recent posts have shaded toward Carini but he has the option to choose whoever gives him the best chance to spin this further. And it will cascade from there. There will be a debate about who was really the inspector, and in the end, choices will be made and the town will either follow him and lose or follow me and win.
If the town decides to kill ZIG, I will be allowed to live. I will guess ZIG and confirm he is mafia. And the same debate will play out with likely the same result.
If the town decides to kill SFA likely we both live and the confusion lives on as KDogg predicted.
This is why I don't mind killing SFA, but at the end of the day, it does not solve the core issue the town is wrestling with. Personally, I would like to live and answer any questions because of how insulted I have been by them. There is no way they do this with most of the players in the game and they are using emotional issues against me. I think it would feel great to be alive when they are exposed to all of you, but if it happens while I am dead and one of you leads the charge we win anyways.
Up to all of you to decide, but remember, the same quote you are using against me will likely be true for ZIG tomorrow. So what then?
I am advocating for an Inspector vs. Inspector runoff here, if we don't kill one of them outright.
Jaz sent up so many red flags that, if Viking were Mafia, he couldn't ignore it. Jaz was in favor of lynching Viking in Day One. Mafia have a strong tendency to go after Inspectors with their Night One whack. Jaz got whacked.
Town normally would have been taking a closer look at Jaz to start Day Two, but we had ZIG's competing reveal as a distraction. I would assume that's a benefit from doing the double fake once you've offed the actual Inspector.
kdogg > Viking
Quick note on this, if I were mafia, there were a lot greater red flags than Jaz's. Remember I was way out there with Jimmy. I am sure if you did a count of how many times ANYONE mentions anyone with a red flag, on D1, I am at or close to the top of the list. Him getting killed hurts me in many ways, but in some ways, helps because it narrowed it to ZIG and Carini for me as prime suspects. He also changed his tune both pre and post whack. I know this does not mitigate Jaz not liking and posting against me, but just some food for consideration.
Not really excited about all the forced vote moves but for self preservation,
Viking >>> SFA
I realize this will likely kill me as the two mafia members not SFA are sitting on him already thus giving them the easy kill but there I can't help that part.
I followed every implication of the following formula, based on claimed Inspectors and their alleged Mafia confirmations: If (Inspector/Mafia) (Viking/ZIG) + (Viking/ZIG) & (Mafia/Town) (SFA/Mike D) lynched: Every combination resulted in a Day Four occurring, with 3T/2M to start the round. Except for one that produced Game Over.
That one was Inspector ZIG + Town Mike D getting lynched in Days 2-3. ZIG has been keen to push Mike D as cleared, but he did not confirm it.
We are guaranteed a Day Four taking out both claimed Inspectors in Days 2-3. it would be 3T/2M, but it would be a guaranteed Day Four.
We know at least one claimed Inspector is Lying Mafia Scum. So we know a proven liar wants SFA lynched. I find that troubling. So we look to what happens if Lying Mafia Scum gets the better of us, and SFA is actually Town. There's a 50-50 shot of this, after all.
If Town SFA is lynched in Day Two, rather than taking out our claimed Inspectors (at least one of which we know to be Lying Mafia Scum) in Days 2-3... here is what happens: Day Three begins with 4T/3M. Night Three whack is guaranteed to take out a Town. Town would have a 50-50 shot by taking out only one of our claimed Inspectors in Day Three. If Town gets that wrong: Game Over. If Town gets that right: Day Four with 3T/2M.
Voting SFA, rather than taking out both claimed Inspectors, does NOT guarantee a Day Four. Voting out both Inspector candidates, however, guarantees a Day Four.
ZIG lied when he said "Voting SFA guarantees a day 4."
Why?
Anyone voting for SFA is voting for at least a 50-50 chance of a Day Three Mafia victory. (Lying Mafia Scum approves & is involved in this approach.) Anyone voting for claimed Inspectors in both Day 2-3 is voting for a guaranteed Day Four. (Lying Mafia Scum does not want Town to take this approach.)
^^Its almost comical how ridiculous and wrong your posts are, except for the fact that you actually believe in all of them...
If I turn out to be wrong in the end, I will apologize for doubting you and blame it on the fact that you're quite frankly a rather shitty Inspector (if that's indeed the case, but I have my doubts.)
^^Its almost comical how ridiculous and wrong your posts are, except for the fact that you actually believe in all of them...
If I turn out to be wrong in the end, I will apologize for doubting you and blame it on the fact that you're quite frankly a rather shitty Inspector (if that's indeed the case, but I have my doubts.)
I've provided more information and probably answered more questions than any other inspector. Without my information Mafia wins, period. The reason I came out when I did, was because you were so clueless at the beginning of Day 2 and leading the town to a quick loss.
At this point, I continue to hope the town follows my advice and pull out a tough victory, but I have that feeling Kdogg will get that deciding Day 5 vote, and blow it and gift the Mafia a win.
Anyone voting for SFA is voting for at least a 50-50 chance of a Day Three Mafia victory. (Lying Mafia Scum approves & is involved in this approach.) Anyone voting for claimed Inspectors in both Day 2-3 is voting for a guaranteed Day Four. (Lying Mafia Scum does not want Town to take this approach.)
I can say I really didn't understand having the town vote for the inspectors until I read it this way. Personally I am still against not having the mafia make a move now that Zig has come out, but I even said it myself that since the mafia let one claimed inspector live through a night, what are the odds they let both get by or kill Viking overnight to try to validate him? I think it's a little late to do that, but this game has been far from ordinary. I am not going to change my vote just yet, but I am glad we have the extension to think about this a little more.
I am not sure if I agree on the "at least a 50-50 chance of Day Three Mafia" if we vote out SFA, but I do agree that if we follow through with voting both inspectors back to back we will guarantee a day four, which we can't say otherwise. If we go this route, I personally think if we should vote Viking first and at least have the mafia consider whether or not to whack Zig with their overnight kill.
I am not sure if I agree on the "at least a 50-50 chance of Day Three Mafia" if we vote out SFA, but I do agree that if we follow through with voting both inspectors back to back we will guarantee a day four, which we can't say otherwise. If we go this route, I personally think if we should vote Viking first and at least have the mafia consider whether or not to whack Zig with their overnight kill.
I actually wanted the "at least" part out of it, but I'm wary of editing posts. (Other than my tally mishaps, at least.)
There's just been so much "Viking or ZIG?" that I find it worthwhile to stop and ask "Wait, was it Jaz - Y/N?"
The way our two claimed Inspectors seem to be in a rush to get to the same conclusion gives me pause. We know at least one of them's a liar.
I am not sure if I agree on the "at least a 50-50 chance of Day Three Mafia" if we vote out SFA, but I do agree that if we follow through with voting both inspectors back to back we will guarantee a day four, which we can't say otherwise. If we go this route, I personally think if we should vote Viking first and at least have the mafia consider whether or not to whack Zig with their overnight kill.
I actually wanted the "at least" part out of it, but I'm wary of editing posts. (Other than my tally mishaps, at least.)
There's just been so much "Viking or ZIG?" that I find it worthwhile to stop and ask "Wait, was it Jaz - Y/N?"
The way our two claimed Inspectors seem to be in a rush to get to the same conclusion gives me pause. We know at least one of them's a liar.
I think i have proved i am in no rush. Please do not lump me in with ZIGs asshatery.
I actually wanted the "at least" part out of it, but I'm wary of editing posts. (Other than my tally mishaps, at least.)
There's just been so much "Viking or ZIG?" that I find it worthwhile to stop and ask "Wait, was it Jaz - Y/N?"
The way our two claimed Inspectors seem to be in a rush to get to the same conclusion gives me pause. We know at least one of them's a liar.
I think i have proved i am in no rush. Please do not lump me in with ZIGs asshatery.
You are more deliberative than he is, indeed.
And even if I think you're trying to kill Town and ZIG isn't (which, let's face it, is a possibility I keep in play) at least you're not being the total dick about differences about it that he is. It's appreciated.
I think i have proved i am in no rush. Please do not lump me in with ZIGs asshatery.
You are more deliberative than he is, indeed.
And even if I think you're trying to kill Town and ZIG isn't (which, let's face it, is a possibility I keep in play) at least you're not being the total dick about differences about it that he is. It's appreciated.
This may be the first time inhave not been the bigger douche and that is saying something.
I think i have proved i am in no rush. Please do not lump me in with ZIGs asshatery.
You are more deliberative than he is, indeed.
And even if I think you're trying to kill Town and ZIG isn't (which, let's face it, is a possibility I keep in play) at least you're not being the total dick about differences about it that he is. It's appreciated.
I think i have proved i am in no rush. Please do not lump me in with ZIGs asshatery.
You are more deliberative than he is, indeed.
And even if I think you're trying to kill Town and ZIG isn't (which, let's face it, is a possibility I keep in play) at least you're not being the total dick about differences about it that he is. It's appreciated.
It is precisely this that gives me pause. But the question is, is Viking being rather un-Viking-y because he wants to sweet talk us into believing him when really he is Mafia, or is he really just trying to make friends w the town because he's on our side? Could go either way.
Zig is being douchier than Viking in his assertions. But is this cause he's playing the Mafia role aggressively or because he's annoyed at the town for not believing the truth, that he's the real inspector?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Vote History R1 Mike D > Viking R1 Viking > Mike D R1 kdogg > SFA R1 Potent > Mike D R1 SFA > Viking R1 Carini > Mike D R1 kdogg > SFA > Mike D R1 danbob > Mike D R1 ZIG > SFA R1 Potent > Mike D > Viking R1 kdogg > SFA > Mike D > SFA R1 Rummy > SFA R1 Mike D > Viking > SFA R1 Carini > Mike D > SFA R1 kdogg > SFA > Mike D > SFA > ZIG R1 danbob > Mike D > ZIG R1 Rummy > SFA > ZIG R1 Viking > Mike D > Viking R1 ZIG > SFA > Viking R1 Viking > Mike D > Viking > SFA R1 ZIG > SFA > Viking > SFA R1 Viking > Mike D > Viking > SFA > Viking R1 kdogg > SFA > Mike D > SFA > ZIG > Viking R1 Rummy > SFA > ZIG > Viking R1 Viking > Mike D > Viking > SFA > Viking > SFA Left To Vote N/A
This round will end on Monday, July 11th at 12:00 P.M. EDT
If the Zig/Viking runoff doesn't come into play does anyone object to Danbob making the deciding vote tonight so we don't have to go through another runoff with pages of clutter and no new info?
And even if I think you're trying to kill Town and ZIG isn't (which, let's face it, is a possibility I keep in play) at least you're not being the total dick about differences about it that he is. It's appreciated.
It is precisely this that gives me pause. But the question is, is Viking being rather un-Viking-y because he wants to sweet talk us into believing him when really he is Mafia, or is he really just trying to make friends w the town because he's on our side? Could go either way.
Zig is being douchier than Viking in his assertions. But is this cause he's playing the Mafia role aggressively or because he's annoyed at the town for not believing the truth, that he's the real inspector?
