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You realize that if you kill of the wrong inspector this round that you are giving the Mafia the ability to win it on Day 3...
Come on people. You guys you can't even decide on a fake inspector, now you want to believe Kdogg that there is a double fake inspector...It seems odd to me that Kdogg, who most people think is town, is the one driving where this round is going. And let's not forget who brought up a double fake inspector to begin with...SFA, the one person double accused....
Interesting that you continue to want to end this as fast as possible and take control here ZIG. The next post I make should be fun for you.
I'm advocating to vote off SFA, which would give the town a 100% Mafia kill on Day 2. Your votes keep forcing a runoff where we bring in the opportunity of choosing between 2 inspectors, which drops the town's change at killing Mafia to 50%.
I don't need my degree in Mathematics to understand 100% is better than 50%.
Interesting that you continue to want to end this as fast as possible and take control here ZIG. The next post I make should be fun for you.
I'm advocating to vote off SFA, which would give the town a 100% Mafia kill on Day 2. Your votes keep forcing a runoff where we bring in the opportunity of choosing between 2 inspectors, which drops the town's change at killing Mafia to 50%.
I don't need my degree in Mathematics to understand 100% is better than 50%.
I see you want to come to my house and argue odds. Thats cool with me. Actually, ATM, the town has a 33% chance to kill a mafia member given who is alive. They are just asking for more time to figure it out. In your scenario, there is SFA, myself 1 other, and 6 townies (5 if you want to get specific). I have identified all 3, but 6 townies (again 5 if you include me) are also in play. So a runoff moves their odds from 33% to 66% and gives them the time they ask for. Nice try trying to spin it your way though. You can keep trying to rush this to a close, but I am in my office this week and your ability to invent the question mark like you did all weekend is now limited.
Again, I do not mind killing SFA, but your fake claim has given them pause and they are trying to sort between you and I. You are forgetting they they and up until you came out, I had a lot less information than you do.
Post 2. OK, so given what time I am starting, there is no way for me to do this justice. However, I am going to highlight a few things before I have to walk away. I will be back later this afternoon and can do more then, but honestly, I have 20+ quotes pulled up and don't really want to entertain his delusions. KDogg actually did a pretty good job of debunking many of them this weekend and it would be repetitive. Instead, I am going to highlight 2 posts from SFA and tie them back. If you have questions about ZIG stuff (and there are a lot stretches and a smattering of flat out lies) let me know and I will go through them in a post.
I've caught up and can't tell if I'm reading Mafia or the battle of the douchebag fake inspectors.
I'd already said last night that it was likely best for the town to vote me off at some point. That's even more true now. I don't have a fucking clue what's going on but I'm still a townie. It's funny that the one person both of these guys named was the one being questioned for even suggesting the inspector could still be alive. It appears all I did was help create enough townie talk to give the mafia enough info to feel safe in knowing the real inspector is dead. Viking has talked for years about pulling a double-fake.
I honestly have no idea what to say. I mean I laid it all out Day 1 and it all came true. I am surprised it was Zig who faked but he has the best chance to be believed.
Willing to answer whatever you guys need. Glad I didn't post what I was thinking though. Zig may have tried to hide then.
Either way, I don't know what else to say. It comes down to the town. Trying to hold my tongue but pissed atm
You didn't lay anything out. You set it up. When has an Inspector ever had all 3 names figured out in round 1? That's crap.
Also, you aren't surprised by Zig at all. I'm to lazy to go look for quotes but you've fantasized about pulling this trick for a long time. I know you suggested it when EAP and I were mafia with you like 4 years ago.
SFA has planted 2 seeds that took time to germinate, but germinate they did. Zig has cited both of these posts and KDogg has run with the 2 inspectors thing, so I wanted to address them.
1 - I have NEVER fantasized about a Day 1 fake. For all the reasons posted in this thread, you effectively box yourself in and if the real inspector is alive, then they have the other name as ZIG has stated. In his fake, it allowed him to "clear" potent" and still give you 2 names. If you are an inspector and have 2 confirmed names, you have done your job.
2 - The double fake has actually been done before. Mike D was even in that game and I believe he was mafia (but PLEASE do not hold me to that since it was a long time ago and I don't have time to go back and look for the thread). Know how it ended? Disaster. It just reduces the pool too much to be successful.
So while wild ideas seems like something that could work in the right hands, all it does is give way too much information. Letting these germinate and then citing them as something "Viking has fantasized about" is interesting and was a nice little move, but at the end of the day are truly a fantasy and not even my fantasy.
I need to run out now, but I would really urge people to go revisit the sequence of events. Take out the spin and look at who benefits most from what people did. I gave what I could when I can. Reread why ZIG waiting as long as he did. He didn't get any new information waiting until then. It was not until it was clear I was going to ask about him that the mafia decided to preempt it and have him fake. This was after he decided to let me live the night before in a strange sequence of posts. (Again, the town has already discussed that at length).
I am happy to answer questions but taking out the spin, look at sequence and timing and who planted seeds about who. Will be back in a few hours.
^^Actually, you accused Kdogg of inventing the question mark...
So simple question then for you Viking, if the final runoff is me vs SFA, who do you vote to kill?
I have already addressed this several times. I really don't care because I have better information than the rest of the town and I don't need to sort out who the real inspector is. I am 100% on SFA and 99% on you (only because townies have faked inspector before *cough LD cough* but I dont think you are that reckless). In a perfect world, I would like to kill Mike D first, guess you tonight, then kill you and SFA in any order the next 2 nights because I will be 100% on both but that is just because I don't like to let decisions linger.
Given the current circumstance, I agree with KDogg and that killing SFA just prolongs a decision that needs to be made anyways, but if they want more time, so be it. As long as you both die, the town wins, so for me, it is what is best for the town.
You seem fairly confident you will survive the night, and I am not nearly as confident about my survival as you are. I really hope everyone is noting that.
Seriously town. Just look at Viking's posts. He keeps saying he is going to provide all these quotes and information, but then he just regurgitates the same BS and says he doesn't have any more time. This is literally almost every post and coming from someone that is probably the sketchiest player ever, how does this not raise red flags.
Notice the order he wanted people out in: Mike D (town) - Day 2 ZIG (inspector) or SFA (Mafia) - Day 3/4
If he had gotten his way, game would be over on Day 3.
Off topic but why did LD fake inspector as a townie?
He thought it was the only way to get the town to agree with him and that he was correct. He did it Day 3. Obviously it is not a smart thing to do. I was mafia and the town lost
Seriously town. Just look at Viking's posts. He keeps saying he is going to provide all these quotes and information, but then he just regurgitates the same BS and says he doesn't have any more time. This is literally almost every post and coming from someone that is probably the sketchiest player ever, how does this not raise red flags.
Notice the order he wanted people out in: Mike D (town) - Day 2 ZIG (inspector) or SFA (Mafia) - Day 3/4
If he had gotten his way, game would be over on Day 3.
Posting while driving is not the smartest idea but i felt this needs to be addressed. What did i not provide? I have done everything I promised. I do have a life and if i cant or need more time, i let people know.
I am not going to waste my time addressing everything you put out there just to satisfy the wishes of someone I know to be mafia. As for saying im sketchy you 3 have been making that arguement since Day 1. I am always viewed that way. If this is what you are clinging to instead of sequence and content, so be it.
One last quick request. Please stop spinning and trying to control my vote. If everyone wants to kill SFA first to as you say make sure we get a Mafia, i get it and i am on board . If he is who you are sacrificing, fine. But KDogg is right. A decision has to be made at some point.
The difference is that you are trying to frame it as me saving SFA instead of you trying to engineer a set up. I am not leading the charge because i have no axe to grind.
My research into all those Inspector vs. Given Name votes in Day One earlier actually turned up the following quote from Mafia 85. It is from the Referee in the postgame recap. It is yelling at the Town for being fools.
I am advocating for an Inspector vs. Inspector runoff here, if we don't kill one of them outright.
Jaz sent up so many red flags that, if Viking were Mafia, he couldn't ignore it. Jaz was in favor of lynching Viking in Day One. Mafia have a strong tendency to go after Inspectors with their Night One whack. Jaz got whacked.
Town normally would have been taking a closer look at Jaz to start Day Two, but we had ZIG's competing reveal as a distraction. I would assume that's a benefit from doing the double fake once you've offed the actual Inspector.
I am advocating for an Inspector vs. Inspector runoff here, if we don't kill one of them outright.
Jaz sent up so many red flags that, if Viking were Mafia, he couldn't ignore it. Jaz was in favor of lynching Viking in Day One. Mafia have a strong tendency to go after Inspectors with their Night One whack. Jaz got whacked.
Town normally would have been taking a closer look at Jaz to start Day Two, but we had ZIG's competing reveal as a distraction. I would assume that's a benefit from doing the double fake once you've offed the actual Inspector.
kdogg > Viking
What has caused you to switch over to this idea of a double fake? Thought you had made it pretty clear you didn't think jaz was inspector. What changed?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
My research into all those Inspector vs. Given Name votes in Day One earlier actually turned up the following quote from Mafia 85. It is from the Referee in the postgame recap. It is yelling at the Town for being fools.
HOW DO YOU NOT VOTE OUT AN INSPECTOR WHO SURVIVES A NIGHT AFTER COMING OUT?!?!?!?
You'll notice that Mafia 85 is when I stopped reviewing these games and pivoted towards pushing for an Inspector vs. Inspector runoff. This was why.
When it comes down to it, this is the bottom line for me. I was in the town that game, I think. If the inspector lives, we'll take his intel but he's got to go, IMO.
My research into all those Inspector vs. Given Name votes in Day One earlier actually turned up the following quote from Mafia 85. It is from the Referee in the postgame recap. It is yelling at the Town for being fools.
You'll notice that Mafia 85 is when I stopped reviewing these games and pivoted towards pushing for an Inspector vs. Inspector runoff. This was why.
When it comes down to it, this is the bottom line for me. I was in the town that game, I think. If the inspector lives, we'll take his intel but he's got to go, IMO.
Pretty sure I was town in that game too.
If Viking were to survive another night, I think it'll provide more confusion than anything else. The town doesn't need to be further confused at this point.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Jaz sent up so many red flags that, if Viking were Mafia, he couldn't ignore it. Jaz was in favor of lynching Viking in Day One. Mafia have a strong tendency to go after Inspectors with their Night One whack. Jaz got whacked.
Now you are getting somewhere. The Night 1 Delay I assume was because the Mafia were contemplating their whack and making sure they got the real inspector, because if they did, they would have won, but alas, they didn't get me.
And look at the Jaz whack from the other side. If I were Mafia, how would whacking Jaz N1 improve my position? It doesn't. I would be leaving in a dangerous Viking Inspector to kill quiet Jaz?
Here is a question for you ZIG. Assuming you live who do you think mafia whacks overnight?
It depends on who dies today. If we kill Viking this round, Their smart move would be to kill me and and cut their losses on their fake reveal plan. I don't know the 3rd Mafia yet, so they would hope that the 3rd Mafia can remain hidden and win on Day 5, because on Day 5, you only need to convince 1 person.
If they decide to whack a townie, Potent or Rummy would make sense to me
Assuming Viking is faking, the whack will be extremely revealing.
Viking's scenario already has all three names out there. Mike D as "given," SFA as "guess," and ZIG is implied because of his counter-claim.
ZIG's scenario has two names given. SFA as "given," and Viking is implied because of his counter-claim. There's still a guess to be had there.
I know being Inspector sucks, I know. I still have numerous issues with ZIG's version of events. (Not outing Viking in Day One when he had the chance, choosing anyone but Mike D after Viking cited Mike D in what would be a false claim in his scenario, the confusion about both their claims agreeing & yet they vote together.)
But if ZIG's claim has legitimacy, he would be more of a threat as a live Inspector than Viking. We just can't learn more about ZIG until a Night intervenes.
Boner's caps lock quote alone is damning enough for me to be comfortable with my Viking vote.
Viking as Mafia scenario would play out like this in the long run:
Day One Lynch: Town (Thor) Whack: Town (Jaz, possible Inspector) Left: 6T/3M
Day Two Lynch: Probably expected us to go after Mike D or SFA (Probably Town, if we assume Viking's claim false) Whack: Town Left: 4T/3M
At that point, they would have only need to get one Town voted off to outnumber us for the win. And they would've had three votes in a round of seven players. Totally doable, especially with one of his "confirmed" names still out there. They would have only needed to sway ONE Town for a Day Three win.
The obvious counter-argument from Viking here would be that he lived because he's so good at this game, he basically called it all in Day One and neutralized himself as a threat. Hmm.
Probably townie. Keeping us both in the game would continue the confusion.
Additionally, I know you are skeptical of me, but assume I'm right and SFA and Viking are Mafia. We are in a runoff: SFA, Viking, and ZIG. Your scenario says both Viking and I live. So that mean SFA gets Killed. 1 Mafia down. If they killed Viking during N2, then that's another Mafia down, plus I would get a guess. If I got that guess right, Town could win Day 3. That's why I don't think they would kill Viking.
