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Ask me some specific questions and I'll answer. Write a novel with questions buried within and you're not helping anyone unless your agenda is to make the game more difficult for other people.
They were not buried. It is not my fault that you are lazy.
You seem more interested in posting Gifs, stroking your ego, and making insults, than actually engaging in a useful discussion.
Like I said, if you want me to answer questions, write a post with questions and I'll answer them.
If you want to make posts with insults and proclamations of your greatness with questions buried within the body of the post, I'm not going to waste my time with you.
You seem more interested in posting Gifs, stroking your ego, and making insults, than actually engaging in a useful discussion.
Like I said, if you want me to answer questions, write a post with questions and I'll answer them.
If you want to make posts with insults and proclamations of your greatness with questions buried within the body of the post, I'm not going to waste my time with you.
Wow, does your mom still wipe your ass too? I'm sorry Jimmy, but I am not going to coddle you. The questions were clear and yet unlike your claim, you never answered them. Time to grow up Peter Pan. And FYI, the gifs were to break up the monotony of having to repeat myself half a dozen times to try and get a response that is not just "grumble grumble grumble, deflect" out of you.
If you want to grow a pair and engage, then fine, but I am not going to do the work for a coward who I know won't really answer anyways.
I'm not deflecting. Write a concise question and I'll answer.
I did. You are too lazy to read, and I don't intend to repeat myself anymore times. Half a dozen is my limit. Figure it out yourself... or don't. It is not my problem.
I am not interested in your anti-social personality disorder or the various ways it manifests itself in this game. You are either mafia or you are fucking all of us.
Lol, I just read through all your posts and every "question" you asked that was about a substantive part of the game, I answered already.
You asked 2 questions. First, what did I mean by "that worked." Second, to explain my vote switching on and off Kdogg.
I've addressed both those questions multiple times already. At length.
What is really happening here is you attempting to smear me, for some reason, idk why. But I've actually already addressed the substance of all TWO of the questions that you asked.
Lol, I just read through all your posts and every "question" you asked that was about a substantive part of the game, I answered already.
You asked 2 questions. First, what did I mean by "that worked." Second, to explain my vote switching on and off Kdogg.
I've addressed both those questions multiple times already. At length.
What is really happening here is you attempting to smear me, for some reason, idk why. But I've actually already addressed the substance of all TWO of the questions that you asked.
Lol just keep spinning Jimmy. I have asked several more, but if you had actually read everything instead of only reading the post that is 24 hours old, you would know that. Nice try though.
Ironically, if Viking had read my posts he'd know that his questions were already answered.
There are two people now, Viking and Danbob, who have mischaracterized my posts in attempt to make me appear deceptive. I think I have answered every question posed to me so far, and have been as candid as possible.
Lol, I just read through all your posts and every "question" you asked that was about a substantive part of the game, I answered already.
You asked 2 questions. First, what did I mean by "that worked." Second, to explain my vote switching on and off Kdogg.
I've addressed both those questions multiple times already. At length.
What is really happening here is you attempting to smear me, for some reason, idk why. But I've actually already addressed the substance of all TWO of the questions that you asked.
Lol just keep spinning Jimmy. I have asked several more, but if you had actually read everything instead of only reading the post that is 24 hours old, you would know that. Nice try though.
What am I missing? I'm happy to answer your questions but I don't see any. I'm serious.
Ironically, if Viking had read my posts he'd know that his questions were already answered.
There are two people now, Viking and Danbob, who have mischaracterized my posts in attempt to make me appear deceptive. I think I have answered every question posed to me so far, and have been as candid as possible.
First, it was more than just us who read your posts that way. And when a group of people are reading them the same way, Do you think that you are wrong and that your posts actually are deceptive? If not and the larger group is wrong, why are they all wrong and where did they go wrong? Adding to that, why are you dodging if you are not trying to deceive?
Second, lets look at who you have attacked. KDogg & Me who are standard first day targets. The new player. And Potent solely for the reason that he was voted for by the new player. (BTW, that was a question you ignored). Why Potent? I get the other 3. So you choose to attack the people most likely to get thrown into a runoff and the softest targets and you did so without an ounce of analysis. Can you see how going after the easiest people to frame can make you guilty? Can you also explain why you went after each of these people?
Finally, you were open to KDogg being in and then being out of the runoff. It really seems like you don't care who dies. Can you explain why you just dont care who dies? That seems to be a pretty suspicious move to me.
I have more questions but I don't want to overwork you. I made the questions bold to help you because you are incapable of helping yourself. It will be fun to see how you try and spin and lie about these questions too.
Hey, so quick question to everyone who isn't Thor or Viking: who all thinks this extended diatribe between the two is useful/helping the town whatsoever?
*crickets*
Come on guys. Pack it up. Let's move on. This is absurd
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
First off, I'd like to start by saying that you did not point to any previous post where you asked these questions that subsequently went "unanswered." As such, you have exposed as false your prior assertion that I am dodging your questions. Having said that, I'll answer your NEW questions that were never previously posed to me.
1. Being "deceptive" My votes obviously aren't deceptive because everyone can see them. My posts aren't deceptive because I have answered all questions posed to me and been very open to productive discussion with people who are capable of engaging in civil dialogue (see Danbob and Potent). I honestly have no idea what you're talking about in terms of me being "deceptive" and until you can point to a specific instance, I'll chalk this point up to being classic nonsense from Viking in attempt to kick up dirt and turn the town against me.
2. Why did I "attack" Kdogg, Viking, and Potent? -I hadn't actually attacked Viking outright for the first half of the game. Pretty much every post I made with your name in it has been a response to you. However, at this point I think you are trying to single me out because you view me as an easy target given my unorthodox stacking of Kdogg. You have made false accusations against me as being "deceptive" by purportedly not answering questions posed to me. If attacking you means pointing out that your accusations against me have no merit, then yes, I am attacking you. Such an attack is justified as it is rooted in truth. -Kdogg I initially attacked because he made BS theories based on initial votes in D1R1 which is simply useless and can only be used for spin. Then he created a 5-way runoff which most people were opposed to at the time. My "attack" on him was through votes only, and I have explained my reasoning numerous times. I haven't dodged anything about why I voted for Kdogg. Nor have I gone any further with my "attack" on Kdogg by creating theories or BS about who he might be mafia with. At the end of the day, my only issue with Kdogg has been his creation of a 5-person runoff. -Potent, I never attacked. I made a pretty random vote for him and stated my reason for it. Therefore, this isn't a question that I "skipped," because if you actually read my reasoning at the time of my vote, you'd know WHY I voted for Potent. I'll state it again for your convenience: it's a random vote with the only faux reasoning being that Danbob, a noob, was voting for him . . . and noobs aren't often mafia in their first game on inforoo. Obviously that's not a real reason, hence the vote being essentially random and not an attack. I haven't asserted any suspicion on Potent otherwise.
3. "Framing" Kdogg and Viking -I never actually crafted a theory suggesting certain people are mafia so I'm not sure how I'm "framing" anyone. I voted for Kdogg up to 3 initially to set a tone that I don't want to be involved in a game with BS (ha, the irony). After Kdogg said he would chill out, I moved my vote, randomly, to someone so I could make a runoff as there wasn't one at the time. Then Kdogg created a 5-person runoff which I, along with at least one other very experienced player (SFA) opposed, so I switched my vote back to Kdogg. Strangely, you think I'm framing Kdogg when I have never even said that I moderately or strongly believe he is mafia. I have no idea. But counter balancing a 5-person runoff by stacking Kdogg up to 3 felt like a vote that would be effective. The result was a 4-person runoff. -With respect to "framing" you, I never actually said I think you're mafia or crafted any theory about you, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. If me pointing out that you're absolutely FALSE in claiming that I avoided questions is "framing" you, then yes, I showed exactly how you're trying to smear me with baseless accusations.
4. To be frank, I don't know anyone's roles in this game. I only know that I'm a townie and that two players have already attempted to mischaracterize my posts this game. (Danbob by saying that I aggressively advocated for a 3-person runoff when I didn't; Viking claiming that I'm avoiding answering questions when I answered all questions posed to me). Based on that, the only person that I can strongly advocate for a lynch would be one of those two players. Since Viking is the only one of those in the runoff, I'll be voting for Viking in the final runoff. The only reason I haven't switched my vote off Kdogg is because I know the town would be better off if someone switched from me to Kdogg because I'm town and I don't know what Kdogg's role is.
I know how this game works - I put myself out there with unorthodox voting and people with an interest in seeing a townie die are looking for rally for an easy townie lynch. If no one else sees that, then there isn't much I can do.
And in response to Rummy, I would tend to agree except that this back forth has really exposed Viking IMO as someone who is trying to throw suspicion on me with really no basis. It's very suspicious.
I'm in the office today so I can't post much until I get home and then do a re-read. Both Thor and Viking have been extra annoying so far from my perspective.
First off, I'd like to start by saying that you did not point to any previous post where you asked these questions that subsequently went "unanswered." As such, you have exposed as false your prior assertion that I am dodging your questions. Having said that, I'll answer your NEW questions that were never previously posed to me.
1. Being "deceptive" My votes obviously aren't deceptive because everyone can see them. My posts aren't deceptive because I have answered all questions posed to me and been very open to productive discussion with people who are capable of engaging in civil dialogue (see Danbob and Potent). I honestly have no idea what you're talking about in terms of me being "deceptive" and until you can point to a specific instance, I'll chalk this point up to being classic nonsense from Viking in attempt to kick up dirt and turn the town against me.
2. Why did I "attack" Kdogg, Viking, and Potent? -I hadn't actually attacked Viking outright for the first half of the game. Pretty much every post I made with your name in it has been a response to you. However, at this point I think you are trying to single me out because you view me as an easy target given my unorthodox stacking of Kdogg. You have made false accusations against me as being "deceptive" by purportedly not answering questions posed to me. If attacking you means pointing out that your accusations against me have no merit, then yes, I am attacking you. Such an attack is justified as it is rooted in truth. -Kdogg I initially attacked because he made BS theories based on initial votes in D1R1 which is simply useless and can only be used for spin. Then he created a 5-way runoff which most people were opposed to at the time. My "attack" on him was through votes only, and I have explained my reasoning numerous times. I haven't dodged anything about why I voted for Kdogg. Nor have I gone any further with my "attack" on Kdogg by creating theories or BS about who he might be mafia with. At the end of the day, my only issue with Kdogg has been his creation of a 5-person runoff. -Potent, I never attacked. I made a pretty random vote for him and stated my reason for it. Therefore, this isn't a question that I "skipped," because if you actually read my reasoning at the time of my vote, you'd know WHY I voted for Potent. I'll state it again for your convenience: it's a random vote with the only faux reasoning being that Danbob, a noob, was voting for him . . . and noobs aren't often mafia in their first game on inforoo. Obviously that's not a real reason, hence the vote being essentially random and not an attack. I haven't asserted any suspicion on Potent otherwise.
3. "Framing" Kdogg and Viking -I never actually crafted a theory suggesting certain people are mafia so I'm not sure how I'm "framing" anyone. I voted for Kdogg up to 3 initially to set a tone that I don't want to be involved in a game with BS (ha, the irony). After Kdogg said he would chill out, I moved my vote, randomly, to someone so I could make a runoff as there wasn't one at the time. Then Kdogg created a 5-person runoff which I, along with at least one other very experienced player (SFA) opposed, so I switched my vote back to Kdogg. Strangely, you think I'm framing Kdogg when I have never even said that I moderately or strongly believe he is mafia. I have no idea. But counter balancing a 5-person runoff by stacking Kdogg up to 3 felt like a vote that would be effective. The result was a 4-person runoff. -With respect to "framing" you, I never actually said I think you're mafia or crafted any theory about you, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. If me pointing out that you're absolutely FALSE in claiming that I avoided questions is "framing" you, then yes, I showed exactly how you're trying to smear me with baseless accusations.
4. To be frank, I don't know anyone's roles in this game. I only know that I'm a townie and that two players have already attempted to mischaracterize my posts this game. (Danbob by saying that I aggressively advocated for a 3-person runoff when I didn't; Viking claiming that I'm avoiding answering questions when I answered all questions posed to me). Based on that, the only person that I can strongly advocate for a lynch would be one of those two players. Since Viking is the only one of those in the runoff, I'll be voting for Viking in the final runoff. The only reason I haven't switched my vote off Kdogg is because I know the town would be better off if someone switched from me to Kdogg because I'm town and I don't know what Kdogg's role is.
I know how this game works - I put myself out there with unorthodox voting and people with an interest in seeing a townie die are looking for rally for an easy townie lynch. If no one else sees that, then there isn't much I can do.
And in response to Rummy, I would tend to agree except that this back forth has really exposed Viking IMO as someone who is trying to throw suspicion on me with really no basis. It's very suspicious.
So you wait until literally the deadline to post a reply to questions (which was not really even a reply since you did not quote the questions), then lie about my not asking them before, and ignore portions of the questions that don't fit into your spin. Nice work. But I will play along.
Since you did not quote it, here is the original post:
Ironically, if Viking had read my posts he'd know that his questions were already answered.
There are two people now, Viking and Danbob, who have mischaracterized my posts in attempt to make me appear deceptive. I think I have answered every question posed to me so far, and have been as candid as possible.
First, it was more than just us who read your posts that way. And when a group of people are reading them the same way, Do you think that you are wrong and that your posts actually are deceptive? If not and the larger group is wrong, why are they all wrong and where did they go wrong? Adding to that, why are you dodging if you are not trying to deceive?
Second, lets look at who you have attacked. KDogg & Me who are standard first day targets. The new player. And Potent solely for the reason that he was voted for by the new player. (BTW, that was a question you ignored). Why Potent? I get the other 3. So you choose to attack the people most likely to get thrown into a runoff and the softest targets and you did so without an ounce of analysis. Can you see how going after the easiest people to frame can make you guilty? Can you also explain why you went after each of these people?
Finally, you were open to KDogg being in and then being out of the runoff. It really seems like you don't care who dies. Can you explain why you just dont care who dies? That seems to be a pretty suspicious move to me.
I have more questions but I don't want to overwork you. I made the questions bold to help you because you are incapable of helping yourself. It will be fun to see how you try and spin and lie about these questions too.
1 - You completely missed on the point of the question. I was asking if you could see how you could be wrong when several people had voiced concerns about your posts and why they could all be wrong. But apparently, we are obviously all wrong and this is all a Viking ruse. And apparently, all the comments in thread about you being deceptive were not enough for you to understand that I was not the only one thinking you were being deceptive. But I did appreciate the joke about you answering everything. It was great juxtaposed against this quote right here:
I don't need to proceed justifying myself. Anyone with half a brain can comprehend my votes and reasoning. If you think I was being rash, fine. But there is nothing more to explain on my end.
BTW, your dialogue was anything but civil, but in the scope of your dishonestly, we can let that little one slide.
On to the next one:
2 - I love your qualifications here. "I didn't attack Viking outright" But there were subtle attacks on my honesty from the start. "Pretty much every post I made with your name in it was a response" which ignores almost all of the initial posts about me where you again take digs at me including these gems:
Because I don't know shit about anyone's roles. All I know is you were making up some shit justifications for everyone's initial votes like you know something. So I stacked you up to 3. You proclaimed you'd take a break on posting, so I said mission accomplished and switched to potent to create a runoff.
Then you started posting shit again, so I switched back to you. And that's it. That's where I'm at.
In terms of Viking, he's also posting a bunch of nonsense. The only thing that has really piqued my attention so far is Danbob trying to rally people against me with mischaracterizations about my earlier posts. Otherwise things seem to be par for the course in terms of Kdogg and Viking post useless novels in round 1.
I'll stop voting for you and Viking when you stop posting garbage theories in round 1 of every game you play even when you actually know nothing about what's going on.
Which were in response to KDogg. And by the way, the 5 person runoff was not the only thing you were attacking KDogg for, but nice try.
Also, nice that you ignored the comments diminishing danbob in an attempt to justify potent. Your spin on your reasoning was nice though, and it was great to finally get an answer to that question I asked yesterday (that you conveniently ignored). So you put a fake reason to put in someone who ends up in runoffs a lot in an attempt to get them into a runoff for no reason? And you wonder why people think you are being deceptive?
On to maybe my favorite answer:
3 - Um, I never said you were framing anyone. I said going after people who are easier to frame. Maybe a Freudian slip there bud? I also never said you believed we were mafia. Just that you were attacking. And Your claim about not answering questions was directly contradicted in your second answer, so yeah. I mean, I don't even have a response to this because again, see your second answer where you say you skipped it because you gave a reason, but that reason you now claim was a faux reason? Do you see where actually answering the question may have cleared up some of this earlier? I also didn't make an accusation yet. I merely asked if you were mafia, or essentially a lazy townie, for all the reasons laid out here.
4 - Again, we are apparently going to ignore the questions that KDogg, potent and others had about you? And also, this really does not answer the question I asked, but I know that does not fit into your spin cycle. Just a tip, it is a well proven psychological tic that "To be honest" "Frankly" and all the rest are signs of dishonesty. Could be true or not in this case, but it is notable in the scope of the rest of your post especially given the timing. When you posted it, KDogg was still in play, but its ok, I am now the only one you can vote for, thus your indiscriminate targeting can end.
TLDR?
In summation, you can appeal to whoever you want, but I fail to see I could be exposed, unless you have more information that me, which is entirely possible considering (ok, here is the accusation Jimmy) that I believe you are mafia. The continued lies, selective omission, and verbal tics make me believe that we have caught a tiger by the tail.
For the rest of the town, thoughts? This works better when others get involved and punch holes in my theories. Some of you are being extremely quiet....
I'm in the office today so I can't post much until I get home and then do a re-read. Both Thor and Viking have been extra annoying so far from my perspective.
Well, I will keep this one brief because I don't want to add another long post on top of all the worthless posts so far that have posted.
After my re-read, there wasn't much to go on so far between Thor and Viking. Essentially, both have put out a lot of nonsense. Both have been really annoying. Both have been slightly shady.
So this feels like a preference vote.
But it bothers me that so many players also jumped onto Thor. It felt like overkill. But we essentially had: Viking, KDogg, Potent, and Danbob all going at it with Thor. That gives me a feeling that the Mafia were involved in all this nonsense and trying to keep pressure onto Thor.
And silence. I understand the silence from Jimmy after the last response, but I do not get the rest of the town. Reposting this here because it is pertinent, and I would love to highlight the absurdity of the situation.
Rummy - Who I think we all expected it from. But she is reading now, so lets see what she does.
Jaz - "For no reason"
SFA - who I voted for and never changed off of, and have laid out suspicion for
Mike D - For not moving my vote to KDogg over a mutual suspicion
I mean, if you guys didn't want me to play, just say so to start. But otherwise, I am going to continue to try and help get the town it's first win since the last time I was in the flipping town back in Mafia 75 (town), and 76 (Inspector).
Ok, now with updates
Rummy - Did not move, and again, I understand.
Jaz - cryptic post about making a bed, agrees with my assessment, then says he is paying no attention to me. Jaz if there was a time to pay attention, now is it.
SFA - Did not expect to move because I believe he is suspicious, but readily admits fluff posts and stays silent
Mike D - Same reason, and he should change his name to MIA
Jimmy - Well see the last few pages.
I mean seriously? I am going to die over a grudge from last game over someone who has done some extremely suspicious things in this game at best. The only time I have been railroaded this bad was Mafia 50 (The Allstar game if you remember Mike D, KDogg, and SFA) KDogg, you should remember because it was your return game and you were one of the mafia members who railroaded my ass out of the game. I do take solace in the fact that the town ended up winning that game and I was 2 for 3 at the end of the day, but I am getting the same feeling now.
Will be back in a few hours. Catching a plane, but I would encourage the other townies to go reread the thread. Will be on when I get home this evening and welcome any questions.
Well, I will keep this one brief because I don't want to add another long post on top of all the worthless posts so far that have posted.
After my re-read, there wasn't much to go on so far between Thor and Viking. Essentially, both have put out a lot of nonsense. Both have been really annoying. Both have been slightly shady.
So this feels like a preference vote.
But it bothers me that so many players also jumped onto Thor. It felt like overkill. But we essentially had: Viking, KDogg, Potent, and Danbob all going at it with Thor. That gives me a feeling that the Mafia were involved in all this nonsense and trying to keep pressure onto Thor.
ZIG > Viking
Cool, a preference vote just confirming my last post. Well played.
ZIG, in case you didn't notice rereading things, Jimmy started the issues with all 4 people you listed. You could argue I started with him, but it was after he indiscriminately attacked the other 3. But keep that train running down the tracks.
Meh, not being cryptic. You said you understand how your playing style garners you votes, so that was just my way of saying that my vote is one of them. Frankly, you talk so much and in so many directions that you make the game harder for me, regardless of role. I have had no inclinations throughout this round whether or not any player is Mafia over another, so I'm keeping my vote on you. You may not like that and I will concede arguments that maybe that's not a helpful way for me to play, but tough noogies.
Meh, not being cryptic. You said you understand how your playing style garners you votes, so that was just my way of saying that my vote is one of them. Frankly, you talk so much and in so many directions that you make the game harder for me, regardless of role. I have had no inclinations throughout this round whether or not any player is Mafia over another, so I'm keeping my vote on you
This is precisely why I'm staying on Viking. I know a lot of players are assuming it is bc of what happened in my last game w him, but when I said I was moving past it & giving him a second chance in terms of playing this game together cordially, I meant it. But I find his tactics so unhelpful and very hard to follow. That doesn't make me slow or dumb or bad at this game - which also of course applies to any other players, like jaz, who share the sentiment.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
