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Post by itrainmonkeys on May 21, 2018 23:46:31 GMT -5
Backlash from fans who are calling this fake. Who knows? Maybe the randos on twitter are aware of this being some conspiracy? Either way....the whole thing is dumb.
Post by generaltso on May 21, 2018 23:50:00 GMT -5
Jones, I don't see anything wrong with Black people taking a word stemmed from hate which was and is used to offend and degrade them, flipping it, and taking it for themselves. Using people who went through slavery and the Civil Rights Movement and speculating about their feelings, to me, sounds like finger-wagging to get them to stop because of your opinion. The word is theirs now, let them decide where they wanna draw the line.
Todd, those artists may "allow" their White fans to say it but then you disregard Black people at the show who probably feel (rightfully so) like you have no right to the word. And honestly, there aren't nearly enough Black people at shows to begin with since they're usually priced out. Keep that same energy when you're standing next to Black people at your next rap show, say the N word, and then they turn and look at you sideways
Todd, those artists may "allow" their White fans to say it but then you disregard Black people at the show who probably feel (rightfully so) like you have no right to the word. And honestly, there aren't nearly enough Black people at shows to begin with since they're usually priced out. Keep that same energy when you're standing next to Black people at your next rap show, say the N word, and then they turn and look at you sideways
What's hilarious is I go to mostly rap concerts where at least 50-60% of the crowd is black and this has literally never been an issue ever. But just to be clear, I don't believe in "bad words" and I think context matters for everything. But I also think you should be a decent person and respect people's feelings. I don't think that's a hard thing to balance.
Jones, I don't see anything wrong with Black people taking a word stemmed from hate which was and is used to offend and degrade them, flipping it, and taking it for themselves. Using people who went through slavery and the Civil Rights Movement and speculating about their feelings, to me, sounds like finger-wagging to get them to stop because of your opinion. The word is theirs now, let them decide where they wanna draw the line.
I know how words can be used for control and that white youths are one of the highest consumers of hip-hop. I mostly can’t ignore the word’s violent history though. If you don’t think reappropriation doesn’t have something to do with why this girl thought it was okay to casually drop the N word on stage you’re mistaken. Like this girl literally thought she just wasn’t cool enough. That is a problem. I’m not trying to point the finger and I’m not trying to tell anyone how to think, but I do have a right and responsibility as a human being to remind others of our place in eradicating it. Otherwise it’s just counterproductive and these kinds of unfortunate scenarios will continue to pop up. Artists like Kendrick are highly influential after all. It’s also probably worth saying that many members of the African American community ARE offended by each variation of the word regardless who says it. That said I agree that it might not be my place, but having been around to experience it first hand I can’t just sit idly by.
“The poison is still there. The word is inextricably linked with violence and brutality on black psyches and derogatory aspersions cast on black bodies. No degree of appropriating can rid it of that bloodsoaked history.”
Edit: also probably worth pointing out that there’s a difference between what we can and should do.
Last Edit: May 22, 2018 1:41:07 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
So I've seen multiple people comment on reddit that during a show in Arizona a few years back, Kendrick paused m.A.A.d city to specifically tell everyone, no matter their race, to sing along with every word.
Todd, those artists may "allow" their White fans to say it but then you disregard Black people at the show who probably feel (rightfully so) like you have no right to the word. And honestly, there aren't nearly enough Black people at shows to begin with since they're usually priced out. Keep that same energy when you're standing next to Black people at your next rap show, say the N word, and then they turn and look at you sideways
What's hilarious is I go to mostly rap concerts where at least 50-60% of the crowd is black and this has literally never been an issue ever. But just to be clear, I don't believe in "bad words" and I think context matters for everything. But I also think you should be a decent person and respect people's feelings. I don't think that's a hard thing to balance.
Todd, just because it hasn't been a problem for you yet doesn't mean it's not a problem. Not believing in "bad words" and saying context matters for everything in regards to this particular word sounds ignorant as hell. Especially for White people, if you say it you're dead wrong
Jones, reappropriating the word may have something to do with it, but I think White entitlement is a much bigger piece of it. In my eyes it boils down to, "Hey what about me!" I don't think we have any place in "eradicating" a word we have no right to use in the first place. Again, this is not our call
ne215, you're either a bot or a real piece of shit
Todd, just because it hasn't been a problem for you yet doesn't mean it's not a problem. Not believing in "bad words" and saying context matters for everything in regards to this particular word sounds ignorant as hell. Especially for White people, if you say it you're dead wrong
Jones, reappropriating the word may have something to do with it, but I think White entitlement is a much bigger piece of it. In my eyes it boils down to, "Hey what about me!" I don't think we have any place in "eradicating" a word we have no right to use in the first place. Again, this is not our call
ne215, you're either a bot or a real piece of shit
When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell
'Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven with the goodie-goodies
Todd, just because it hasn't been a problem for you yet doesn't mean it's not a problem. Not believing in "bad words" and saying context matters for everything in regards to this particular word sounds ignorant as hell. Especially for White people, if you say it you're dead wrong
Jones, reappropriating the word may have something to do with it, but I think White entitlement is a much bigger piece of it. In my eyes it boils down to, "Hey what about me!" I don't think we have any place in "eradicating" a word we have no right to use in the first place. Again, this is not our call
ne215, you're either a bot or a real piece of shit
When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell
'Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven with the goodie-goodies
Usually when people brag about going to hell, it's because they like to drink beer or have casual sex or w/e
But not you, you brave defender of the rights of white people to say racial slurs
Todd, just because it hasn't been a problem for you yet doesn't mean it's not a problem. Not believing in "bad words" and saying context matters for everything in regards to this particular word sounds ignorant as hell. Especially for White people, if you say it you're dead wrong
Jones, reappropriating the word may have something to do with it, but I think White entitlement is a much bigger piece of it. In my eyes it boils down to, "Hey what about me!" I don't think we have any place in "eradicating" a word we have no right to use in the first place. Again, this is not our call
ne215, you're either a bot or a real piece of shit
It's okay to disagree without being that personally judgmental. Knowing Todd personally (and ne as well), I think you overshot. I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. It's a conflicted word with confusing modern connotations. It's okay to have different ideas about it without being a piece of shit. I would say ne isn't a piece of shit. JMO
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