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I'm just hanging out over here not defending the right for white people to say slurs
do you know what color my skin is?
If you told me what color your skin was, do you think I would change my mind and suddenly agree with you that its OK for white people to say racial slurs?
I'm just hanging out over here not defending the right for white people to say slurs
I'm sure it's been addressed many times on the forum, but the post-millennial white generation call each other the slur ending with "a" like my generation used to say "man". I don't know if it's mis-appropriated, expropriated or what. But rap culture and that generation's love of rap music sort of introduced many white kids of that generation to that term almost as a term of endearment. That's kind of WTF? to me, and I don't know if there is a line or if it's between "er" and "a" as a matter of where shit is bad or worse. At some point, the mean slurs need to go away, and what people want to be referred to or refer to each other as probably loosens up. It's a weird, modern American construct without a lot of answers. I appreciated Public Enemy's take on it with their last album, I don't want to be your "a". And I appreciate Chuck's take on it. But at the same time, if you run with a mixed-race group, everybody is probably calling each other that. I've been called "crim", "nef", "cuz", "Farley" "n-a" and many other terms usually reserved by and for African-Americans to refer to each other. It never bothered me and almost was kind of honorable to be thought of in the same context as someone of the same race.
Fucking tough issue with no easy answers. Time will probably have to work this one out.
Post by generaltso on May 22, 2018 11:29:54 GMT -5
I do agree it's okay to disagree without being judgemental but in regards to this? Nah. This says something about you and your mindset. Maybe I went in on ne calling them a POS, but I stand by my comment re ignorance
esteban, it's absolutely like saying "man" or "dude," but for Black people. Culture introducing outsiders to a word shouldn't have any sway in whether they use it themselves. It doesn't matter if it's a term of endearment, it can be the most positive word in the dictionary and White people still shouldn't use it ever. I'm Filipino and I run in a mixed, majority Black circle. Not once have I ever said it back, no matter how endearing or casually it's said to me, and not once have I ever thought I have a right to
I do agree it's okay to disagree without being judgemental but in regards to this? Nah. This says something about you and your mindset. Maybe I went in on ne calling them a POS, but I stand by my comment re ignorance
esteban, it's absolutely like saying "man" or "dude," but for Black people. Culture introducing outsiders to a word shouldn't have any sway in whether they use it themselves. It doesn't matter if it's a term of endearment, it can be the most positive word in the dictionary and White people still shouldn't use it ever. I'm Filipino and I run in a mixed, majority Black circle. Not once have I ever said it back, no matter how endearing or casually it's said to me, and not once have I ever thought I have a right to
Yeah, I mean, I wasn't trying to be a dickhead. And I hear where you're coming from. But white youth in the South (I'm talking 25 and under) use it all the time. Older people have an issue with it moreso than they do. And it's odd because most of them I've talked with are very anti-racist and don't see anything wrong with the term (talking ending in "a" version). But until there's equality, I think people have a right to be sensitive about its use. It doesn't bother me in certain contexts like lyrics or friend-to-friend. But I also understand it means different things to different people. My friend Ebony will call me "a" all the time. And if we're talking, it's understood that the "a" version can be used as a pronoun provided it's not directed toward black people.
Navigating language can be hard, but I agree with you that when in doubt of the potential to hurt someone, slurs or their derivatives are best left unsaid.
Todd, those artists may "allow" their White fans to say it but then you disregard Black people at the show who probably feel (rightfully so) like you have no right to the word. And honestly, there aren't nearly enough Black people at shows to begin with since they're usually priced out. Keep that same energy when you're standing next to Black people at your next rap show, say the N word, and then they turn and look at you sideways
What's hilarious is I go to mostly rap concerts where at least 50-60% of the crowd is black and this has literally never been an issue ever. But just to be clear, I don't believe in "bad words" and I think context matters for everything. But I also think you should be a decent person and respect people's feelings. I don't think that's a hard thing to balance.
Just because the people next to you didn't immediately throw up their hands and confront someone for saying it, doesn't mean it wasn't an issue for them. I have friends who have stopped going to certain festivals (like Made in America) because they felt completely uncomfortable with the number of drunk, white 20 somethings gleefully using the word during shows near them.
I don't care if the artist is trying to get a cheap response by giving folks in the crowd permission to say it, as a white person you should just not do it. Again, it's omitting one word -- if that ruins your concert going experience, you probably have some deeper shit to sort through.
I do agree it's okay to disagree without being judgemental but in regards to this? Nah. This says something about you and your mindset. Maybe I went in on ne calling them a POS, but I stand by my comment re ignorance
esteban, it's absolutely like saying "man" or "dude," but for Black people. Culture introducing outsiders to a word shouldn't have any sway in whether they use it themselves. It doesn't matter if it's a term of endearment, it can be the most positive word in the dictionary and White people still shouldn't use it ever. I'm Filipino and I run in a mixed, majority Black circle. Not once have I ever said it back, no matter how endearing or casually it's said to me, and not once have I ever thought I have a right to
Jones, I don't see anything wrong with Black people taking a word stemmed from hate which was and is used to offend and degrade them, flipping it, and taking it for themselves. Using people who went through slavery and the Civil Rights Movement and speculating about their feelings, to me, sounds like finger-wagging to get them to stop because of your opinion. The word is theirs now, let them decide where they wanna draw the line.
Todd, those artists may "allow" their White fans to say it but then you disregard Black people at the show who probably feel (rightfully so) like you have no right to the word. And honestly, there aren't nearly enough Black pecople at shows to begin with since they're usually priced out. Keep that same energy when you're standing next to Black people at your next rap show, say the N word, and then they turn and look at you sideways
Ahh there it is. Gotta love that soft bigotry of low expectations.
You act out on a drug festival website for attention
HA! This is golden coming from you dear boy. Light up the virtue signal!
Ah, virtual signalling, the concept wherein conservatives can't imagine that other people aren't as evil and heartless as they are, and assume they must just be pretending
HA! This is golden coming from you dear boy. Light up the virtue signal!
Ah, virtual signalling, the concept wherein conservatives can't imagine that other people aren't as evil and heartless as they are, and assume they must just be pretending
Lol says the kind heart that wants to tell people what that should and shouldn’t say. That’s rich. Remind me again how you jumped to the conclusion I’m a conservative. Y’all love your labels..
I just know that you're a major hypocrite, and not just on that.
It's really important to point out if you think the people saying "don't say racial slurs" might be hypocrites. That way, its easier to say racial slurs
