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And if you didn't want to see Nick Cave, your choices were Frank Ocean, Flaming Lips, and a pretty good Superjam tbh.
Comparing late night options then and now is pretty stark example of why people are disenchanted.
You're telling me.
I'm not under any illusions about this year being as good as 2014, or 2015, or any of those other years that were great that I didn't know well enough or didn't have the means to go to. I just think that as far as things to complain about this year go, the scheduling is hardly one. Friday had the potential to be a killer festival day if things were scheduled well, and they were. If U2 really only play for an hour and a half, then yeah. That fucking sucks. I don't really think that's going to happen.
Most of the undercard acts that have the material are getting an hour or more, which is an improvement over last year. Dungen should have played for 75+ minutes, though I'm sure not too many people cared besides me.
Comparing late night options then and now is pretty stark example of why people are disenchanted.
You're telling me.
I'm not under any illusions about this year being as good as 2014, or 2015, or any of those other years that were great that I didn't know well enough or didn't have the means to go to. I just think that as far as things to complain about this year go, the scheduling is hardly one. Friday had the potential to be a killer festival day if things were scheduled well, and they were. If U2 really only play for an hour and a half, then yeah. That fucking sucks. I don't really think that's going to happen.
Most of the undercard acts that have the material are getting an hour or more, which is an improvement over last year. Dungen should have played for 75+ minutes, though I'm sure not too many people cared besides me.
You just agreed with his problem with the schedule and then said we shouldn't be complaining about the schedule. One of the best parts of Bonnaroo was it's late night sets which are basically non existent now if you don't like trash EDM.
And no one here cares about Dungen, you must be really hip to have heard of that band. /s
Comparing late night options then and now is pretty stark example of why people are disenchanted.
You're telling me.
I'm not under any illusions about this year being as good as 2014, or 2015, or any of those other years that were great that I didn't know well enough or didn't have the means to go to. I just think that as far as things to complain about this year go, the scheduling is hardly one. Friday had the potential to be a killer festival day if things were scheduled well, and they were. If U2 really only play for an hour and a half, then yeah. That fucking sucks. I don't really think that's going to happen.
Most of the undercard acts that have the material are getting an hour or more, which is an improvement over last year. Dungen should have played for 75+ minutes, though I'm sure not too many people cared besides me.
As a point of observation, Dungen actually had a 75 minute set.
If you hate the lineup, that's one thing. But the schedule they made with their lineup is not bad at all.
[Complains about schedule.]
Cute, but you missed my point completely. Hard to do when there's only three lines in a post, but you did it.
The lineup is the reason there isn't much music late night, not the schedule. You can't really add an artist onto each late night slot without taking away major artists before the headlines and making huge holes in the schedule. You can't schedule Nicolas Jaar or the Avalanches late night if you don't book them. Follow my logic?
So, if I can rephrase my point better without inforoo comedians critiquing my post on an internet forum about a music festival - they scheduled the lineup in such a way that there are minimal conflicts (although they can't make everyone happy) and there aren't really any acts that make you say why the fuck were they scheduled there, aside from Umphreys.
The ending time of late night is not a big of issue than the lack of good choices imo. Late nights could end at 3 and be epic if there was more choices than PTM and shitty edm.
Cute, but you missed my point completely. Hard to do when there's only three lines in a post, but you did it.
The lineup is the reason there isn't much music late night, not the schedule. You can't really add an artist onto each late night slot without taking away major artists before the headlines and making huge holes in the schedule. You can't schedule Nicolas Jaar or the Avalanches late night if you don't book them. Follow my logic?
So, if I can rephrase my point better without inforoo comedians critiquing my post on an internet forum about a music festival - they scheduled the lineup in such a way that there are minimal conflicts (although they can't make everyone happy) and there aren't really any acts that make you say why the fuck were they scheduled there, aside from Umphreys.
they could easily give 15-30 more minutes to several acts throughout the day and move more to late night
Cute, but you missed my point completely. Hard to do when there's only three lines in a post, but you did it.
The lineup is the reason there isn't much music late night, not the schedule. You can't really add an artist onto each late night slot without taking away major artists before the headlines and making huge holes in the schedule. You can't schedule Nicolas Jaar or the Avalanches late night if you don't book them. Follow my logic?
So, if I can rephrase my point better without inforoo comedians critiquing my post on an internet forum about a music festival - they scheduled the lineup in such a way that there are minimal conflicts (although they can't make everyone happy) and there aren't really any acts that make you say why the fuck were they scheduled there, aside from Umphreys.
they could easily give 15-30 more minutes to several acts throughout the day and move more to late night
source: every year before 2016
Who would you want to see moved to late night?
When the schedule dropped I was really hoping for Future Islands, Glass Animals, and Crystal Castles to be late night, but removing them from their respective slots creates a bit of a void of interest for me. Making Sunday exciting and energetic was clearly a huge goal this year, and while it takes away some fun acts from late nights or earlier in the weekend, I'd leave Sunday if RHCP were playing to close out and some of the currently scheduled Sunday acts were earlier in the week. (Except Skepta. Really should've been late night)
Only there on Friday, but early schedule is looking like:
show up fashionably late to Roo brunch > Klangstof > Khruangbin > Kevin Morby > Car Seat Headrest > Cold War Kids > James Vincent McMorrow/Kaleo (game time decision) > head over to What early> The xx > prepare myself for childhood to be fulfilled > U2 > PTM
they could easily give 15-30 more minutes to several acts throughout the day and move more to late night
source: every year before 2016
Who would you want to see moved to late night?
When the schedule dropped I was really hoping for Future Islands, Glass Animals, and Crystal Castles to be late night, but removing them from their respective slots creates a bit of a void of interest for me. Making Sunday exciting and energetic was clearly a huge goal this year, and while it takes away some fun acts from late nights or earlier in the weekend, I'd leave Sunday if RHCP were playing to close out and some of the currently scheduled Sunday acts were earlier in the week. (Except Skepta. Really should've been late night)
Night one: angelique kidjo -> bbng, glass animals -> ptm sunrise, claude into skepta
Night Two: Future Islands -> Warpaint, Dram -> Sphongle, 2.5 hour superjam
Substitute an act each night with cheese edm to go along woth whatever edm is going on on the which... would have been way better
they could easily give 15-30 more minutes to several acts throughout the day and move more to late night
source: every year before 2016
Who would you want to see moved to late night?
When the schedule dropped I was really hoping for Future Islands, Glass Animals, and Crystal Castles to be late night, but removing them from their respective slots creates a bit of a void of interest for me. Making Sunday exciting and energetic was clearly a huge goal this year, and while it takes away some fun acts from late nights or earlier in the weekend, I'd leave Sunday if RHCP were playing to close out and some of the currently scheduled Sunday acts were earlier in the week. (Except Skepta. Really should've been late night)
Those are some obvious choices. Gallant, DRAM, Francis & the Lights, Lorde, Umphrey's, Toyal Blood, Car Seat Headrest, Michael Kiwanuka, and No Name could have been good late night shows too.
Really anyone that's not too folky would work late night, and there are plenty of acts throughout the days that would benefit from longer sets
But see, that would require them to give Bonnaroo patrons more music, which would cost more money, which is a big no-no for the Live Nation overlords
Wow, I don't know why I expected any better, but Bonnaroo has really fucked up again.
The two most appalling things to me are time between sets, and the late night options.
There is an hour between sets in nearly the entire schedule. That is absurd. 30 minutes is an adequate amount of time to break down and set up the new artist. 45 minutes if there's an elaborate stage set up. Bonnaroo really continues to give less and less music every year.
In addition, they way they staggered the sets between What/Which/This/That is idiotic. What and This are always in direct conflict, and the only 2 things playing at that time. Which and That have an hour of dead time. Then Which and That directly conflict for their entire sets as well. Did someone do this because they like the checker board it creates on the schedule? I can't think of a better reason.
You used to have at least 3 options at any given time between those stages, now you're guaranteed 2 at most. And those 2 will directly conflict.
And the late nights, what the fuck? There is seriously one act playing per stage/per night, excluding the Other? And they all directly conflict? What happened to experiencing multiple amazing late night sets every night? Now you get 1 to 1.5 hours, and that's it! Unless you like trash EDM, then you're in luck. You get 2 to 2.5 hours every night!!
I thought the new Other stage was supposed to rage all night? Makes sense that they get rid of the Kalliope just in time to have the Other end at 3am every night.
And to those saying they're going to let sets run long, what has happened in recent years that makes you think that? Bonnaroo no longer lets the artists play long, they have hard cut offs these past 2 years.
Updated my schedule after doing some exploring. Twiddle > The Orwells > The Lemon Twigs > Kevin Abstract Twin Limb > Klangstof > Khurangbin > Car Seat Headrest > Jay Som > The xx > U2 > Claude Vonstroke > Big Gigantic Donnie Darko > The Front Bottoms (pit) > pit line for Chance > Chance the Rapper > RHCP > Shpongle Noname > Hannibal Burres > Skepta > crowd surf to Flatbush Zombies > Lorde > Travis Scott > The Weeknd
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I would say the biggest travesty here is that all of the late night options directly conflict and there is nothing going on after 2:00 anywhere other than the EDM crap stage , but there's almost nothing exciting late night anyhow this year.
U2 and Portugal the Man having the same set length is hilarious. DJ Mel having a four hour set in the Silent Disco is brutal, that guy isn't getting paid enough.
The sets are staggered because they're probably predicting for 20k people to just stay at The Other the entire weekend, so if they spread the remaining crowd between the four other stages it wouldn't have been great.
I wouldn't really have any conflicts if I were going, but that's mostly just because the lineup is so dull there aren't many good options at any given time.
Wow, I don't know why I expected any better, but Bonnaroo has really fucked up again.
The two most appalling things to me are time between sets, and the late night options.
There is an hour between sets in nearly the entire schedule. That is absurd. 30 minutes is an adequate amount of time to break down and set up the new artist. 45 minutes if there's an elaborate stage set up. Bonnaroo really continues to give less and less music every year.
In addition, they way they staggered the sets between What/Which/This/That is idiotic. What and This are always in direct conflict, and the only 2 things playing at that time. Which and That have an hour of dead time. Then Which and That directly conflict for their entire sets as well. Did someone do this because they like the checker board it creates on the schedule? I can't think of a better reason.
You used to have at least 3 options at any given time between those stages, now you're guaranteed 2 at most. And those 2 will directly conflict.
And the late nights, what the fuck? There is seriously one act playing per stage/per night, excluding the Other? And they all directly conflict? What happened to experiencing multiple amazing late night sets every night? Now you get 1 to 1.5 hours, and that's it! Unless you like trash EDM, then you're in luck. You get 2 to 2.5 hours every night!!
I thought the new Other stage was supposed to rage all night? Makes sense that they get rid of the Kalliope just in time to have the Other end at 3am every night.
And to those saying they're going to let sets run long, what has happened in recent years that makes you think that? Bonnaroo no longer lets the artists play long, they have hard cut offs these past 2 years.
Plus they combined the Comedy and Cinema?
A superb analysis.
And when you lay it out like that it really feels like Bonnaroo makes all their decisions purely to spite inforoo. Like they don't even care about money, their sole purpose in life is to enrage and/or crush the spirits of a small but passionate internet family.
And when you lay it out like that it really feels like Bonnaroo makes all their decisions purely to spite inforoo. Like they don't even care about money, their sole purpose in life is to enrage and/or crush the spirits of a small but passionate internet family.
I almost wish that were the case. At least then they would have accomplished their goal while running their festival into the ground.
I truly wonder at the thought process that produces some of these changes. They had a successful formula, and decided to hamstring it into mediocrity.
What's funny is well use to complain about all of the conflicts. Now we're like where are all our options!? We want more conflicts! It was so much better to have multiple options at all times. Sorry guys, we did this.
What's funny is well use to complete about all of the conflicts. Now we're like where are all our options!? We want more conflicts! It was so much better to have multiple options at all times. Sorry guys, we did this.
I dunno, I still think the conflicts are shitty. Everything I'd want to see has a direct conflict.
Post by Vinnie the Eel on May 5, 2017 7:05:27 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of the sentiments from both sides, and I feel a bit confused, honestly.
I haven't gotten my ticket yet, I figured that we'd be able to get a ticket for pretty cheap close to it, and if not, I really don't care that much if we miss. The scheduling is confusing because when I go through the schedule, I actually have more bands scheduled than most years, but I don't think it's real. What i mean is - I don't think I can bob back and forth from stage to stage for hours on end. I need my downtime to sit, relax, and recuperate. I liked that we could get to something with about 30 minutes to kill so I could sit down, have a coffee, have a meal, or whatever. Now I feel like I'm going to be constantly running around from place to place, and it's completely avoidable unless, as some have suggested, they're just trying to cut costs by minimizing stagehand hours. That makes no sense because it's got to be such a relatively small percentage of their costs, right?
Anyway, as I have it now if we end up going, hilariously spending 2 days in almost the exact same place:
Thurs: Welles > Twiddle > Orwells > Lemon Twigs > Turkuaz > Boom Bap Fri: Klangstof > Khruangbin > Kevin Morby > Car Seat Headrest > Cold War Kids > Kaleo > Angelique Kidjo > Gallant > Glass Animals > U2 > Portugal. The Man Sat: Coin > Lukas Nelson > Rainbow Kitten Surprise > Joseph > Michael Kiwanuka > The Head and the Heart > Warpaint > Cage the Elephant > RHCP > Superjam Sun: Tank and the Bangas > River Whyless > Baskery > Aaron Lee Tasjan > Mandolin Orange > Greensky Bluegrass > Bluegrass Superjam > Weeknd
For the lineup given, the schedule works pretty good. I can see nearly everything I wanted to, there's only a few minor conflicts. And while it's strange seeing a short/weak late night, I rarely made it past 2:30 am anyway.
For the lineup given, the schedule works pretty good. I can see nearly everything I wanted to, there's only a few minor conflicts. And while it's strange seeing a short/weak late night, I rarely made it past 2:30 am anyway.
This is my thing, too. My wife can barely make it to midnight, she somehow passed out in the middle of LCD Soundsystem last year. At smaller fests, I'll run out and do the late night on my own, but after that trek back to Roo, I never end up going back.
I'm aiming to see PtM and the Superjam this year, and if they end at 230, I'm perfectly fine with that.
I love how everyone holds up 2014 as an example of the good years now
Jack White played a 2.5 hour headline set, Nick Cave was there, and acts like Chance the Rapper and Darkside played well past 3am. Pretty solid representation of what Bonnaroo used to be about.
