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Booking 3 headliners that arguably made their best music a decade ago doesn't really sell well, it seems.
I know you're not a JW fan but I love his current stuff. But the other two? I never got into the Killers and Eminem was great when I was a teen and I think he's extremely talented but I was good after I saw his Roo set. Became kind of like a bucket list thing more than a "I need to see him live!" type of thing.
Still planning on trying for this fest. As long as it's not cancelled I may like a smaller crowd
I'll still give the nod to Boston Calling for best overall lineup, but seeing Chris Stapleton, Jason Isbell, Sturgill Simpson, and Margo Price in mixed-genre lineup drops this week has got me wishing for a little more twangy stuff in this lineup than just Lillie Mae.
I'll still give the nod to Boston Calling for best overall lineup, but seeing Chris Stapleton, Jason Isbell, Sturgill Simpson, and Margo Price in mixed-genre lineup drops this week has got me wishing for a little more twangy stuff in this lineup than just Lillie Mae.
I'm guessing there are two main reasons for this: 1) BC is now enforcing a stricter radius clause with regards to Newport Folk, and at least two of those 4 names are almost definitely playing there this year. 2) Probably has less impact, but country also just hasn't done well at BC in the past for whatever reason. Crowds were pretty rough for Isbell and The Lone Bellow the year they played, which is a bummer because they both played great sets.
It's funny to see Margo on the Gov Ball lineup and not here, though.
As far as poor sales go, I think most people excited about an Eminem show, from what I've seen, couldn't give a shit about pretty much every other artist on the lineup. The Killers literally just played at TD Garden. Combined with all the other fests both acts are playing it just doesn't give those two acts as much drawing power as they should've had. If only they'd booked Kendrick...
I'll still give the nod to Boston Calling for best overall lineup, but seeing Chris Stapleton, Jason Isbell, Sturgill Simpson, and Margo Price in mixed-genre lineup drops this week has got me wishing for a little more twangy stuff in this lineup than just Lillie Mae.
I'm guessing there are two main reasons for this: 1) BC is now enforcing a stricter radius clause with regards to Newport Folk, and at least two of those 4 names are almost definitely playing there this year. 2) Probably has less impact, but country also just hasn't done well at BC in the past for whatever reason. Crowds were pretty rough for Isbell and The Lone Bellow the year they played, which is a bummer because they both played great sets.
It's funny to see Margo on the Gov Ball lineup and not here, though.
As far as poor sales go, I think most people excited about an Eminem show, from what I've seen, couldn't give a shit about pretty much every other artist on the lineup. The Killers literally just played at TD Garden. Combined with all the other fests both acts are playing it just doesn't give those two acts as much drawing power as they should've had. If only they'd booked Kendrick...
When you consider that The Killers, Taylor Bennett, and Brockhampton are all playing right in Boston a few months before BC, I can't imagine that BC is strongly focused upon radius clauses. Newport has never really pursued them, given the number of performers there who have played Boston right before or after NFF. The only clause I could see BC wanting to enforce in regard to Newport would be prohibiting the *announcement* of other area dates before BC. With just over 60 days between festivals and NFF's legendary rolling lineup announcements, it would be so easy for Newport to wait until the Tuesday after BC to announce someone who's playing both festivals. (I'd bet money that you'll see at least a few of this year's BC acts at NFF.)
NFF is such an outlier when it comes to radius clauses and the rationale for implementing them. The festival sells out every year before a single act has been announced, and they cap attendance at 10K, which means that there aren't a whole lot of people who might see a BC performer in the Newport lineup and say, "Well, I'm already seeing them at Newport, so no need to go to Boston Calling."
I'll give Isbell a pass if he doesn't come to Boston this year, since he played here in 2015, 2016, and 2017, but it's been a year and a half since Margo Price came to town, and I believe that the only time Chris Stapleton ever played inside the Rt. 128 beltway was when he opened for Eric Church at the Garden a few years ago, right before he started getting a ton of attention -- he's only played out in Mansfield, Foxboro, and NH in the last couple of years.
I'm guessing there are two main reasons for this: 1) BC is now enforcing a stricter radius clause with regards to Newport Folk, and at least two of those 4 names are almost definitely playing there this year. 2) Probably has less impact, but country also just hasn't done well at BC in the past for whatever reason. Crowds were pretty rough for Isbell and The Lone Bellow the year they played, which is a bummer because they both played great sets.
It's funny to see Margo on the Gov Ball lineup and not here, though.
As far as poor sales go, I think most people excited about an Eminem show, from what I've seen, couldn't give a shit about pretty much every other artist on the lineup. The Killers literally just played at TD Garden. Combined with all the other fests both acts are playing it just doesn't give those two acts as much drawing power as they should've had. If only they'd booked Kendrick...
When you consider that The Killers, Taylor Bennett, and Brockhampton are all playing right in Boston a few months before BC, I can't imagine that BC is strongly focused upon radius clauses. Newport has never really pursued them, given the number of performers there who have played Boston right before or after NFF. The only clause I could see BC wanting to enforce in regard to Newport would be prohibiting the *announcement* of other area dates before BC. With just over 60 days between festivals and NFF's legendary rolling lineup announcements, it would be so easy for Newport to wait until the Tuesday after BC to announce someone who's playing both festivals. (I'd bet money that you'll see at least a few of this year's BC acts at NFF.)
NFF is such an outlier when it comes to radius clauses and the rationale for implementing them. The festival sells out every year before a single act has been announced, and they cap attendance at 10K, which means that there aren't a whole lot of people who might see a BC performer in the Newport lineup and say, "Well, I'm already seeing them at Newport, so no need to go to Boston Calling."
The radius clause w/ respect to Newport is a thing. I wasn't guessing about that. Newport can find ways around it, like waiting to announce, leaving an act unannounced, or finding a creative way to book them. But Jason Isbell or Margo Price aren't going to choose BC over Newport.
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I'm guessing there are two main reasons for this: 1) BC is now enforcing a stricter radius clause with regards to Newport Folk, and at least two of those 4 names are almost definitely playing there this year. 2) Probably has less impact, but country also just hasn't done well at BC in the past for whatever reason. Crowds were pretty rough for Isbell and The Lone Bellow the year they played, which is a bummer because they both played great sets.
It's funny to see Margo on the Gov Ball lineup and not here, though.
As far as poor sales go, I think most people excited about an Eminem show, from what I've seen, couldn't give a shit about pretty much every other artist on the lineup. The Killers literally just played at TD Garden. Combined with all the other fests both acts are playing it just doesn't give those two acts as much drawing power as they should've had. If only they'd booked Kendrick...
When you consider that The Killers, Taylor Bennett, and Brockhampton are all playing right in Boston a few months before BC, I can't imagine that BC is strongly focused upon radius clauses. Newport has never really pursued them, given the number of performers there who have played Boston right before or after NFF. The only clause I could see BC wanting to enforce in regard to Newport would be prohibiting the *announcement* of other area dates before BC. With just over 60 days between festivals and NFF's legendary rolling lineup announcements, it would be so easy for Newport to wait until the Tuesday after BC to announce someone who's playing both festivals. (I'd bet money that you'll see at least a few of this year's BC acts at NFF.)
NFF is such an outlier when it comes to radius clauses and the rationale for implementing them. The festival sells out every year before a single act has been announced, and they cap attendance at 10K, which means that there aren't a whole lot of people who might see a BC performer in the Newport lineup and say, "Well, I'm already seeing them at Newport, so no need to go to Boston Calling."
I'll give Isbell a pass if he doesn't come to Boston this year, since he played here in 2015, 2016, and 2017, but it's been a year and a half since Margo Price came to town, and I believe that the only time Chris Stapleton ever played inside the Rt. 128 beltway was when he opened for Eric Church at the Garden a few years ago, right before he started getting a ton of attention -- he's only played out in Mansfield, Foxboro, and NH in the last couple of years.
NFF may sell out right away, but it's a bad look when ticketholders start reselling them because they can see acts on the lineup elsewhere.
And on a sidenote: the Route 128 beltway isn't entitled to artists playing in their corridor.
They managed to split this in a way that actually makes me want to go all three days...I was thinking I could be by with just one or two. I still might skip friday...who knows, depends what ticket prices look like that weekend
Looks great except Fleet Foxes into Eminem on Green would be catastrophic.
That has the potential to be one of the biggest scheduling fuck-ups in Boston Calling history
Fleet Foxes would close the blue stage though, right? Bryson Tiller into Eminem on the Green and Khalid in between on the Red seems to make the most sense.
When you consider that The Killers, Taylor Bennett, and Brockhampton are all playing right in Boston a few months before BC, I can't imagine that BC is strongly focused upon radius clauses. Newport has never really pursued them, given the number of performers there who have played Boston right before or after NFF. The only clause I could see BC wanting to enforce in regard to Newport would be prohibiting the *announcement* of other area dates before BC. With just over 60 days between festivals and NFF's legendary rolling lineup announcements, it would be so easy for Newport to wait until the Tuesday after BC to announce someone who's playing both festivals. (I'd bet money that you'll see at least a few of this year's BC acts at NFF.)
NFF is such an outlier when it comes to radius clauses and the rationale for implementing them. The festival sells out every year before a single act has been announced, and they cap attendance at 10K, which means that there aren't a whole lot of people who might see a BC performer in the Newport lineup and say, "Well, I'm already seeing them at Newport, so no need to go to Boston Calling."
The radius clause w/ respect to Newport is a thing. I wasn't guessing about that. Newport can find ways around it, like waiting to announce, leaving an act unannounced, or finding a creative way to book them. But Jason Isbell or Margo Price aren't going to choose BC over Newport.
I respectfully disagree, given the number of acts every year who play Boston and NFF fairly close to each other on the calendar. It's hardly a dealbreaker for an act to play both Boston Calling and NFF, especially with over 60 days between the festivals. (Look at Whitney in 2017, for example.)
There seem to be around 10 acts at Boston Calling this year who'd fit perfectly at Newport and I'd expect a couple of them to be in both lineups. I'd also expect to see a couple of the lower-billed NFF acts doing The Sinclair or Royale within three days of Newport, too.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a likely Newport headliner play a show in Boston within a few days of the festival this year, since there's heavy speculation about David Byrne playing Newport this year, and he's already announced July 31 at Blue Hills Bank Pavilion.
The radius clause w/ respect to Newport is a thing. I wasn't guessing about that. Newport can find ways around it, like waiting to announce, leaving an act unannounced, or finding a creative way to book them. But Jason Isbell or Margo Price aren't going to choose BC over Newport.
I respectfully disagree, given the number of acts every year who play Boston and NFF fairly close to each other on the calendar. It's hardly a dealbreaker for an act to play both Boston Calling and NFF, especially with over 60 days between the festivals. (Look at Whitney in 2017, for example.)
There seem to be around 10 acts at Boston Calling this year who'd fit perfectly at Newport and I'd expect a couple of them to be in both lineups. I'd also expect to see a couple of the lower-billed NFF acts doing The Sinclair or Royale within three days of Newport, too.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a likely Newport headliner play a show in Boston within a few days of the festival this year, since there's heavy speculation about David Byrne playing Newport this year, and he's already announced July 31 at Blue Hills Bank Pavilion.
It's nice that you disagree, but again, this isn't something I'm guessing about. There will be exceptions, like Whitney as you mentioned, but in general it is in place. It's from BC's end, not Newport's, and was instituted with the venue change.
When you consider that The Killers, Taylor Bennett, and Brockhampton are all playing right in Boston a few months before BC, I can't imagine that BC is strongly focused upon radius clauses. Newport has never really pursued them, given the number of performers there who have played Boston right before or after NFF. The only clause I could see BC wanting to enforce in regard to Newport would be prohibiting the *announcement* of other area dates before BC. With just over 60 days between festivals and NFF's legendary rolling lineup announcements, it would be so easy for Newport to wait until the Tuesday after BC to announce someone who's playing both festivals. (I'd bet money that you'll see at least a few of this year's BC acts at NFF.)
NFF is such an outlier when it comes to radius clauses and the rationale for implementing them. The festival sells out every year before a single act has been announced, and they cap attendance at 10K, which means that there aren't a whole lot of people who might see a BC performer in the Newport lineup and say, "Well, I'm already seeing them at Newport, so no need to go to Boston Calling."
I'll give Isbell a pass if he doesn't come to Boston this year, since he played here in 2015, 2016, and 2017, but it's been a year and a half since Margo Price came to town, and I believe that the only time Chris Stapleton ever played inside the Rt. 128 beltway was when he opened for Eric Church at the Garden a few years ago, right before he started getting a ton of attention -- he's only played out in Mansfield, Foxboro, and NH in the last couple of years.
NFF may sell out right away, but it's a bad look when ticketholders start reselling them because they can see acts on the lineup elsewhere.
And on a sidenote: the Route 128 beltway isn't entitled to artists playing in their corridor.
Entitled, no, but most touring acts do play the biggest cities/concert markets in the U.S. on most of their tours. It would be ridiculous to live in Des Moines, IA and complain about bands not playing your city every year, but Boston is not Des Moines.
Looks great except Fleet Foxes into Eminem on Green would be catastrophic.
That has the potential to be one of the biggest scheduling fuck-ups in Boston Calling history
I totally agree so I edited it, but I have an insider source who has told me you can pretty much know the end of each day schedule by how the daily is billed. Supposedly the way it's listed is Green stage headliner, Red Stage Headliner, Blue Stage Headliner, Green Stage Pre Headliner.
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I respectfully disagree, given the number of acts every year who play Boston and NFF fairly close to each other on the calendar. It's hardly a dealbreaker for an act to play both Boston Calling and NFF, especially with over 60 days between the festivals. (Look at Whitney in 2017, for example.)
There seem to be around 10 acts at Boston Calling this year who'd fit perfectly at Newport and I'd expect a couple of them to be in both lineups. I'd also expect to see a couple of the lower-billed NFF acts doing The Sinclair or Royale within three days of Newport, too.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a likely Newport headliner play a show in Boston within a few days of the festival this year, since there's heavy speculation about David Byrne playing Newport this year, and he's already announced July 31 at Blue Hills Bank Pavilion.
It's nice that you disagree, but again, this isn't something I'm guessing about. There will be exceptions, like Whitney as you mentioned, but in general it is in place. It's from BC's end, not Newport's, and was instituted with the venue change.
If it's on BC's end, then what about Taylor Bennett and Brockhampton doing Boston shows so close to Boston Calling?
Looks great except Fleet Foxes into Eminem on Green would be catastrophic.
That has the potential to be one of the biggest scheduling fuck-ups in Boston Calling history
I totally agree so I edited it, but I have an insider source who has told me you can pretty much know the end of each day schedule by how the daily is billed. Supposedly the way it's listed is Green stage headliner, Red Stage Headliner, Blue Stage Headliner, Green Stage Pre Headliner.
That can't be right for Sunday. That lineup just screams Rap and R&B all day on Red/Green and Rock/Folk/Americana/Esoterica all day on Blue, with Dirty Projectors and Zola Jesus being the wild cards, but probably Blue, based upon number of acts on one side of that fence or the other.
Bryson Tiller on Blue vs. Khalid on Red/Eminem on Green? Not going to happen.
It's nice that you disagree, but again, this isn't something I'm guessing about. There will be exceptions, like Whitney as you mentioned, but in general it is in place. It's from BC's end, not Newport's, and was instituted with the venue change.
If it's on BC's end, then what about Taylor Bennett and Brockhampton doing Boston shows so close to Boston Calling?
Maybe they're more concerned with other festivals. I'm not claiming to understand their logic, but I know for a fact it exists.
I totally agree so I edited it, but I have an insider source who has told me you can pretty much know the end of each day schedule by how the daily is billed. Supposedly the way it's listed is Green stage headliner, Red Stage Headliner, Blue Stage Headliner, Green Stage Pre Headliner.
That can't be right for Sunday. That lineup just screams Rap and R&B all day on Red/Green and Rock/Folk/Americana/Esoterica all day on Blue, with Dirty Projectors and Zola Jesus being the wild cards, but probably Blue, based upon number of acts on one side of that fence or the other.
Bryson Tiller on Blue vs. Khalid on Red/Eminem on Green? Not going to happen.
Last year they did Weezer on Blue and Major Lazer on Red when the opposite would've made a lot more sense. I'm hoping you're right though.
