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For a runoff. If anyone has a better idea, my vote can move again if needed.
And here's some more evidence for JR being town. Danbob calls for a runoff of Zolah and JR. You might include one of your Mafia brethren when you're throwing shade, but not both.
Potentially lynching LLL to me feels way too similar to lynching Pablo on day 1. I think her "saving" JR is being blown out of proportion just like Pablo expanding the runoff to five was. I'd much rather see a final runoff of JR and Zolah.
I feel fairly confident that ZIG is the third.
Jaz > ZIG [/quote]
I think that Mafia was convinced at that point that I may be Inspector with Zolah's name because of how quickly I came down to her. I came down to her because they killed Carini, who I was sure was pointing to Zolah and was probably the Inspector. If I, who am not even Mafia, picked up on that, you know they did too. And then for me to follow with that line of thinking, I think they thought that I was Inspector. Danbob came out as I was in a run-off with his partner. I think they assumed I would then come out, and look shady as fuck as the second Inspector to come out, and being in a run-off. That is why he cleared someone who they assumed was vanilla town, Maddog.
So I think that at this point, they were distancing as much as possible from Zolah, preparing for my "reveal" and giving Zolah's name. I am only speculating here, of course, but that is how I would have seen it if I were Mafia with them.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Aug 19, 2017 14:47:16 GMT -5
Jesus Christ. I am on some shitty dinosaur computer at work. I can't even get the whole thing in a copy paste. You get the drift of my post though.
Mafia thought I was Inspector, but I was only picking up on why they thought Carini was Inspector. Mafia were about to set me up as fake Inspector by coming out first. They were distancing from Zolah because they thought I had her name, so that in case you guys believed me and not them, they had one Mafia hidden.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Jesus Christ. I am on some shitty dinosaur computer at work. I can't even get the whole thing in a copy paste. You get the drift of my post though.
Mafia thought I was Inspector, but I was only picking up on why they thought Carini was Inspector. Mafia were about to set me up as fake Inspector by coming out first. They were distancing from Zolah because they thought I had her name, so that in case you guys believed me and not them, they had one Mafia hidden.
So, what are you thoughts on the remaining 4, besides youself? Do you think ZIG is town?
Jesus Christ. I am on some shitty dinosaur computer at work. I can't even get the whole thing in a copy paste. You get the drift of my post though.
Mafia thought I was Inspector, but I was only picking up on why they thought Carini was Inspector. Mafia were about to set me up as fake Inspector by coming out first. They were distancing from Zolah because they thought I had her name, so that in case you guys believed me and not them, they had one Mafia hidden.
So, what are you thoughts on the remaining 4, besides youself? Do you think ZIG is town?
If I made a spectrum of least to most questionable to me, it goes like this:
Least Most JR ZIG,JAZ,Potent
I think that Mafia was trying to distance as much as possible from Zolah, so I think they were willing to both vote on her, especially with the plan to come out as Inspector and claim you as Mafia. That seems less "fake Inspector" than saying I am Mafia, because that automatically sets up a tie between Danbob trying to save Zolah if the real Inspector came out. And by incriminating you, it automatically then made me look shady for "saving" you. Like I said, I am trying to think like Mafia and how I would have thought to play this move. If I were Mafia with Zolah, I would have first assumed Carini was Inspector with her name. My next guess for Inspector would have been me, with Zolah's name. I would have said "Shit Zolah, LLL looks like she is trying to use Carini as the reason she is voting for you, but she might actually be Inspector with your name!". Pulling a fake that made me look shady by claiming you as Mafia seems like a sure way to ensure that no one would have believed me if I came out as real Inspector.
I already had some kind of feeling about Potent, I know that is hard to describe to anyone because it is kind of intangible. Just the way that he has phrased stuff and he is has been pulling his usual distancing from other Mafia move. Also, this
Where is the whack? Let's get this going guys, I thought it would be here by now.
Do you remember this move I made last game? But the "I thought it would be here by now" seems even less genuine than my fake post about waiting on the whack. Remember all of the other things I talked about doing to help try to distance us from the whack? I'm totally just picking up the same feeling from him. Very tricky moves.
That being said, I also think Jaz is a more of a candidate for scrutiny than ZIG. Jaz is slick, he is hard to read. He has been helpful but quiet. He seems pretty town, but that's why he makes a good Mafia. Honestly, you could almost pile the three of them on top of one another, the staggering in my suspicion is very slight. ZIG not voting for any Mafia is a red flag for sure. I just don't think, out of the three, is the MOST suspicious.
You are the last on the list of suspicion because it would have been a REALLY risky, (albeit potentially brilliant because it is working), move to name you as Mafia if you were partners with Zolah and Dan. Zolah was about ready to be voted off, and unless I came out as inspector and everyone turned on me, there likely wasn't going to be any changes there. You guys would have had to kill Dan as the Whack to make it look believable, and then we would have lynched you. Too risky in my opinion for anyone to try as Mafia.
I am not letting ZIG off of the hook at all as possible Mafia. I just want us to all re-read with different lenses on. I COMPLETELY see why you and Jaz are thinking it may be him. And I am definitely still looking at that possibility. And I'm looking closely at Jaz too. But the jumping on ZIG happened mighty fast and not much discussion has happened after that. And then he voted for himself. Not saying Mafia wouldn't do that to try to garner the sympathy that I am obviously now falling prey to, and not saying ZIG is above a manipulative move like that. But he did it and then split. Seems more like a townie throwing a little mini-fit and throwing in the towel. I've done it before. Let us just reread with some new perspective. I could be wrong, but I think we need to be looking more at Jaz and Potent. I will re-read with the ZIG as mafia glasses on again today, too.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by potentpotables on Aug 21, 2017 6:34:59 GMT -5
My apologies for the late vote, I was down the shore meeting my girlfriend's parents all weekend.
I'm not sure what analysis I can add to what everyone else is saying. At this point, I think it's down to making moves and reading people. I also think it makes sense to give ZIG options on where to move his vote. LLL has given him the option of me, I'll give him the option of Jaz.
Potent was obviously my target coming into Day 4. JR voting for me wasn't a surprise, but Jaz stacking on top of him on me was. It felt like he was effectively eliminating options for a runoff.
From my perspective, I was at 2 votes and had originally planned to vote Potent. At that point, me and LLL voting Potent would have been useless because that would have set the votes at 2 ZIG, 2 Potent, with Potent as the deciding vote.
I voted for myself for multiple reasons. First, I wanted to see if either JR or Jaz would change their vote to continue a discussion and runoff. Neither did. Second, I wanted to see what Potent would do. Would he completely end it and vote for ZIG or would he throw me a bone and vote for someone else. He threw me a bone. I don't think this move tilts on thinking Potent is more innocent because he is helping me out, but it does feel a lot more like a town move than Jaz's vote onto me.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Aug 21, 2017 10:06:52 GMT -5
Hmmmmm. This is such a weird game. Everything got so fucking quiet.
That is more of a townie move to not just kill ZIG. Although it could also be an attempt to make sure that if the round ends with ZIg being killed and the game continues, we say, "this was a total townie move".
I am a little stuck on Potent, I know. I think that seeing that Danbob and Zolah both voted for Potent in round 1 and then Potent and Danbob both voted for Zolah in round 2, and Potent being kind of weird really has me going back to him. But I am open to Jaz as a possibility. And still open to ZiG as well. Both of these players have been very quiet.
LD. I wish everyone would check in and see how the voting went down before we close out. But there is a major celestial event occurring, and none of us want to be looking at Mafia instead of it, in sure. I also hate that we have had an entire weekend and it would come down to an extension. But how everyone was going to end up voting this round is really going to shape how we move forward. We needed potentpotables vote to finish talking this out. Hope you had a nice weekend with your gal, P.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
At this point, there's one Mafia left. That means that nobody's trying to save anybody else, and there are no multiple Mafia trying to stack up on townies. The "let's see who votes for who and look for vote patterns" strategy no longer applies. I think ZIG is most likely to be Mafia, so I voted for ZIG because I want him voted out. I stand by that.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Aug 22, 2017 9:39:46 GMT -5
I really just wanted an extension so that everyone checked in and discussed and a run-off was the next best thing. But, like JR said, no one is saying anything.
LLL>>>Jaz
I don't think this is going to end the game. If it does, I was wrong this whole time and will buy y'all some beers.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I really just wanted an extension so that everyone checked in and discussed and a run-off was the next best thing. But, like JR said, no one is saying anything.
LLL>>>Jaz
I don't think this is going to end the game. If it does, I was wrong this whole time and will buy y'all some beers.
"I don't think this is going to end the game." This means that you don't think I'm Mafia. Then why are you voting for me?
In the first round yes I was quiet as I usually am, but at the end of the round I was saying that Pablo was town, which we now know to be true. At the beginning of the first round I voted for Zolah and kept my vote there before any of the reveals. After the reveals I provided sound logic for why Maddog was telling the truth. I then put in the work to clear JR and yourself.
Look back at this day 4, LLL. Look at what I've contributed, and look at the contributions of ZIG and Potent. Potent says "I don't really have anything else to add" and ZIG throws a hissy fit as usual. Even if you think ZIG is town too, I've undoubtedly been more helpful.
I'm not trying to be salty but the way this round has played out is aggravating. JR and I put in work on analyzing the game so far, only to have ZIG throw a hissy fit and vote for himself while Potent waits until the very end of the round to say anything, and casts a vote that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with who he thinks may be Mafia. Instead he just gives ZIG the pick of the pack. Then LLL gets the revote and waits until an hour before the deadline to say or do anything, and ends up voting with Mr. Hissyfit and Mr. Add-Nothing-To-The-Game-In-The-Last-Round.
Jaz got into a bar fight, got a wine bottle smashed over his head and knocked unconscious. Was thrown out of the bar, only to be picked up a few minutes later by the masked one in the black van. In typical fashion for this week, he was found dead in a ditch on the side of the highway come dawn.
I feel like I'm going to be the escape goat either way in this game if the town loses. Either I'm going to be killed on day 5 and the town loses, or I'm going to be the person that makes the deciding vote and will probably be wrong.
LLL went on the trip of a lifetime in Wine Country. Unfortunately for her, her lifetime didn't last very long afterwards.
A worker at a wine bottling facility found her body floating in a tank full of merlot. Surveillance footage shows a man, wearing a mask and all black, dragging and pulling the handcuffed and bound LLL into said tank and then walking away. The Sonoma County sheriff's office is still conducting their investigation.
