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Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Sept 11, 2017 21:19:42 GMT -5
Zolah made it clear she wasn't Inspector, so this whack seems more related to her being a "cleared" player, which as a second whack seems kind of careless unless Mafia really thinks LD was Inspector. Or it is meant to mislead, or she said something that indicates she was on to Mafia who have gone pretty hidden and they thought she was going to be able to influence other players and was beginning to put it together.
Either way, Danbob, myself, Pablo, SFA are all mentioned players she was suspicious of. Pablo was the most recent addition, as she said she thought he was Inspector by the way he was posting about Danbob, and if he wasn't, he was Mafia, she said. His Inspectorish posts seem to be what sent her on Danbob's trail. But I agree Danbob is worth looking at still.
She saved Jaz at the end, so I find it doubtful he would want to whack her if he was Mafia. She may have also mentioned Carini in context of being suspicious, but I'll have to reread that exchange. I couldn't quiet catch what was being said. I haven't really found Carini's posts to be too far off from usual, but I also think we need to look at the quietest players because there is usually someone slipping through. I don't know why they wouldn't whack someone else who is on their trail, trying to off a possible Inspector, instead of someone who made it clear they aren't Inspector, so I'm guessing we are getting duped or they feel pretty safe.
Once again, kind of a mashing up of ideas since I'm on my phone. When I get on my PC in the morning Ill do a read through and try to connect some voting. I think we need to look at some fringe players, personally.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I'm going to read in the morning. My knee jerk reaction is that they think Zolah was inspector with Danbob's name, but don't hold me to that just yet.
JR, she told Pablo that she thought he was Inspector and pretty much told him he needed to come out if he was and guide us. And she admitted she thought she was possibly going to be the whack because she was a "cleared" player. If she was Inspector after all of that, she is the worst Inspector ever for not coming out, knowing she may well be the whack. Even if she only had one Mafia name and a cleared name. Zolah is too smart of a player for that. And I'm not just saying that because she mentioned me. It seems REALLY unlikely she was Inspector.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
One thing I refrained from mentioning last round because I didn't want to inadvertently help the mafia was that if LD wasn't the inspector, there is probably a very high chance that the real inspector guessed my name, meaning that his or her vote probably ended up on Potent last round. I mention this now because of the inspector is alive, I'd pretty much expect them to come out this round. Though as zolah said, I'd be very wary of fakes.
I'm on mobile and am not going to look up tallies right now (i seriously don't know how some of you can play extensively on mobile), but I think we should cross reference the final tallies and look at players who both ended the respective days on Zolah and myself. If Maddog was mafia then there was at least one other Mafia vote on Zolah, and I would expect at least one Mafia vote on myself even if Potent was indeed town. Conversely, I would feel slightly safer about players who voted for both Maddog and Potent, though that footing is a little less solid because Potent might have been town, so the mafia might have felt free to vote for him. I'd do the cross referencing myself but today was a twelve hour day and so is tomorrow. Jaz needs his beauty sleep. I will look more in depth at the game tomorrow.
Too quiet, need to shake things up. I moved my vote from LLL to LD because I'm now voting with Zolah. She's currently in the runoff, so this prevents her from having a free vote, and it means that the 3 free votes are all people not in the runoff - LLL, SFA, Pablo. Of course this is pending any other vote switches, but that is my reasoning at this point in time.
You of all people should know I'm good at keeping my vote where it is. And there goes LLL "skating by" again. (Kidding).
I'm not opposed to anyone in the runoff at this point... But I feel like you are retaliating a little. You put me in the runoff because I voted for you. Now Potent put you in and you want him in. I can see the other side of the coin though where he doesn't want LLL to "slip by" and then boom. Vote change. I think day 1 we tend to attack people who make these kind of moves, and mostly they are townies making them.
I like how he waited until he was out of the runoff to make his bold move...
I'm not afraid of being aggressive. If I die, fuck it. I'm trying to get a town win, that's first and foremost importance.
When we have three or more in a runoff, it may make more sense to be more evened out in vote counts. At this point, maybe town should take a chance. I think you're more likely Mafia. Who is gonna come save you? I'm thinking we got Mafia that is experienced. People who know what they're doing, people who have seen me go aggressive before. At least one or two have been playing this for years.
I feel like LD screwed my motive for trying to see where Potent/LLL/JR would vote. Those 3 were quieter. It would have been nice to see where they ended up and what they had to say. Instead LD changed it from 4-4 to 5-3 before they could even vote or have a say. I don't like that.
If you had something to "reveal", why not ask for an extension real quick, instead of just fucking with us? I mean, I get that it sucks being lynched, but getting salty doesn't help the rest of the townies. My BS meter is going off.
We can be pretty sure at least one surviving mafia voted LD on Day one.
Well, it's not me. I voted for LD because of his vote switch. I said it when I voted. Im not the only one who did. I think the key to this game is that weird ass move by Maddog. And one Maddog voter. I see you working though. You've been doing it since Day one. Only 4 players know anything about anyone's role from the beginning of the game. When players get so fixated on any other players so earlier, they are either trying to lead townies astray by distancing, set a townie up or are Inspector. It isn't a wise townie move and you know it. You bitch about ZIG doing it all of the time.
Voted for LD in D1R2. He didn't move his vote until D1R4, This is false
Honey you mentioned Danbob defending me and his vote for Potent over me as being part of your reasons for suspecting him. That's literally in your own post.
Honey, this is a tough decision. So yes, I looked at everyone. Danbob reads funky to me. I'd rather not vote with him. Why are you defending him? I could still go to Potent, and making a case against LLL would be better for that than defending Danbob.
Still going strong well into d2 final runoff
While I agree 99.999999999999999999999999% (my role doesn't allow for 100% certainty) with LLL that I don't believe Zolah was inspector for the same reasons she laid out above, I see LLL as having plenty of reason to get rid of her. I'm guessing in her mind there was a good enough chance that a pretty much cleared Zolah was going to vote for her and that vote would carry A LOT more weight then say a vote from me, Dan, Jaz, or Pablo (including them as in my thinking we are in most people's "unknown" grouping).
I believe she is the reason Zolah was the whack and not any of these other scenarios: any of the other "cleared" players, a shot at an inspector, or a get rid of SFA/LLL whack
LLL has also voted for both the whacked players in the day 1 runoff with Maddog (assumed mafia) on the table both times.
Carini>>>LLL
Little off topic, but I'm wondering if this means anything:
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Sept 12, 2017 0:24:32 GMT -5
Just got back from Chatty. Went to see IT.
Zolah wasn't the inspector. I don't even know how you come to that conclusion. She was told and even agreed that she was likly the next whack. Why would she risk that? Just an extra townie name would get us down to 5 possibilities.
She also slung accusations at like 5 different players. The inspector wouldn't do that and then take a huge gamble to make it another round... unless the mafia was paying her off or some shit.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Sept 12, 2017 0:54:44 GMT -5
Round 1 final:
Maddog - 6 Dan, SFA, Pablo, Zolah, LD, JR Zolah - 5 Carini, Maddog, Jaz, Potent, LLL
I think there is one mafia in each voting group.
Round 2 final: Potent - 6 Carini, Jaz, Dan, JR, Zolah, Pablo Jaz - 3 - LLL, SFA, Potent
I think it's safe to say mafia split votes in round one. The round was somewhat neutral until the long weekend and we switched things around to go strong on Maddog. I'd guess two mafia ended up on Zolah and one stayed put.
Not so sure on round 2 but i'd think mafia in that situation would be staying distance from one another so there likly arn't many connections to br found there.
D2R1 Vote History Jaz > SFA Zolah > Potent Carini > Potent LLL > Jaz SFA > Jaz Jaz > SFA > LLL Pablo > Dan JR > Pablo Dan > Pablo JR > Pablo > Carini Potent > SFA Potent > SFA > Carini
I hope I didn't mess anything up here. I wanted to include the ...>...>... structure of all unforced voting changes in the vote history. Like Pablo > Jaz > Potent and LD > Zolah > Maddog, for example. Some or all of those weren't tracked that way in the previous updates.
FTR, I don't think Zolah was Inspector at all. I was wondering if mafia thought she was because I think not trying to kill the Inspector when most of us suspect it wasn't LD is a terrible idea.
About to go to work where I will squeeze in my readthorough.
FTR, I don't think Zolah was Inspector at all. I was wondering if mafia thought she was because I think not trying to kill the Inspector when most of us suspect it wasn't LD is a terrible idea.
About to go to work where I will squeeze in my readthorough.
Understood. I thought you were saying that you thought she was.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Maddog - 6 Dan, SFA, Pablo, Zolah, LD, JR Zolah - 5 Carini, Maddog, Jaz, Potent, LLL
I think there is one mafia in each voting group.
Round 2 final: Potent - 6 Carini, Jaz, Dan, JR, Zolah, Pablo Jaz - 3 - LLL, SFA, Potent
I think it's safe to say mafia split votes in round one. The round was somewhat neutral until the long weekend and we switched things around to go strong on Maddog. I'd guess two mafia ended up on Zolah and one stayed put.
Not so sure on round 2 but i'd think mafia in that situation would be staying distance from one another so there likly arn't many connections to br found there.
SFA, I am assuming red is Mafia, blue is known town, black is unknown? If so, I completely agree with you that Mafia split Round 1. While I think that Mafia could get away with voting with one another most every round, because everyone assumes they "split", I think that they do continue to "split" because it is the way most people play. At least in the first round.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Sept 12, 2017 9:22:33 GMT -5
I think that someone out of the Dan, SFA, Pablo, JR group needs to be in this Day's runoff and that is probably where I am headed. I don't mind being in too, because I can see how I end up in the other split camp. And having me in will be good information for town to compare down the line. I don't expect to last past this day if Mafia still has two. I think they are going to keep pushing things my way because I'm fitting the narrative of the "most obvious" players to be suspicious of.
I have been considering JR close to cleared, but am going to leave him in the group of possibilities as a "slim possibility" because I think the Zolah whack is an attempt to distance further, just like the Maddog "reveal" was. Otherwise, I think Mafia would have gone after someone else to get rid of a possible Inspector. But it could still be the case that LD was Inspector, I just don't think Mafia would have counted on that.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I think that someone out of the Dan, SFA, Pablo, JR group needs to be in this Day's runoff and that is probably where I am headed. I don't mind being in too, because I can see how I end up in the other split camp. And having me in will be good information for town to compare down the line. I don't expect to last past this day if Mafia still has two. I think they are going to keep pushing things my way because I'm fitting the narrative of the "most obvious" players to be suspicious of.
I have been considering JR close to cleared, but am going to leave him in the group of possibilities as a "slim possibility" because I think the Zolah whack is an attempt to distance further, just like the Maddog "reveal" was. Otherwise, I think Mafia would have gone after someone else to get rid of a possible Inspector. But it could still be the case that LD was Inspector, I just don't think Mafia would have counted on that.
Could you please explain the part I bolded? I'm not following you here.
Ok my head is pretty much at JR or Pablo for today. I believe that potent was pretty suspicious which means we potentially have 2 mafia gone from the Zolah voters (I am not saying Potent was 100% mafia but I am comfortable enough with my suspicions of him to look at the mad dog voters - yes I understand this includes me). The alive mad dog voters are SFA, Pablo, JR and myself. I've had a pretty strong town lean on SFA since day 1 so I'm not considering him here. I also know I'm town which leaves me with pablo and JR. Right now I'm leaning Pablo given our interactions all game but I'm gonna give the thread a reread before I vote to eliminate any tunnel vision.
I think that someone out of the Dan, SFA, Pablo, JR group needs to be in this Day's runoff and that is probably where I am headed. I don't mind being in too, because I can see how I end up in the other split camp. And having me in will be good information for town to compare down the line. I don't expect to last past this day if Mafia still has two. I think they are going to keep pushing things my way because I'm fitting the narrative of the "most obvious" players to be suspicious of.
I have been considering JR close to cleared, but am going to leave him in the group of possibilities as a "slim possibility" because I think the Zolah whack is an attempt to distance further, just like the Maddog "reveal" was. Otherwise, I think Mafia would have gone after someone else to get rid of a possible Inspector. But it could still be the case that LD was Inspector, I just don't think Mafia would have counted on that.
Could you please explain the part I bolded? I'm not following you here.
I was going off of SFA's list, assuming his blackened players are "unconfirmed" players. I think that JR, like Zolah was, is likely town. It seems to be the belief that other players have as well. Unless he was doing a mega-distancing from Maddog. He didn't have to vote for Maddog, he could have easily chosen Zolah in the first day. But, since I am looking for distancing, I am keeping him on the spectrum, he just isn't as high up on it as the other Maddog voters.
And I think it is more likely that Zolah was whacked as a set-up, but of course I'm going to think that since I would be one of the players that I think Mafia is trying to point to and I am town. That is what I meant by "distancing". I think that it is one of the less "obvious" players that Zolah mentioned. I think they would have whacked someone else if they didn't see the opportunity to set someone else up, and if they didn't think she may end up switching winds to someone else she saw as suspicious.
I hope that makes sense.
I've included the 3 statements of hers I am looking at. Danbob and I are the "most obvious" players. Not saying Danbob isn't mafia at all, he may well be, but I think that there is at least one in these three players. Potent may well have been mafia as well, which would be ideal because we can end the game this Day possibly.
I like this move from Zolah. I was most likely going to make it if she didn't, but I wanted to see that she would.
Pablo > Jaz > Potent
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Part of why I suspected Danbob was because you and him had a few exchanges... And I found you inspector-ish, while I found him either shady or lazy. I did not want to vote with Danbob... So I opted to vote WITH you. If you are inspector, you better get to talking now... Because if I seen it, they've seen it. And if you're not inspector, you are mafia. Because I still feel like a fake is coming this game.
Also over the past several games we seem to have deduced that quiet Carini is almost always Mafia, and he's the quietest player of this game so far. I feel like that's worth pointing out, and am surprised no one else has done so yet.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
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Too quiet, need to shake things up. I moved my vote from LLL to LD because I'm now voting with Zolah. She's currently in the runoff, so this prevents her from having a free vote, and it means that the 3 free votes are all people not in the runoff - LLL, SFA, Pablo. Of course this is pending any other vote switches, but that is my reasoning at this point in time.
You of all people should know I'm good at keeping my vote where it is. And there goes LLL "skating by" again. (Kidding).
Okay. I make no sense. I misinterpreted what you wrote... that you wanted to see where I would move my vote. I think I've played this game before. Carry on.
I'm not opposed to anyone in the runoff at this point... But I feel like you are retaliating a little. You put me in the runoff because I voted for you. Now Potent put you in and you want him in. I can see the other side of the coin though where he doesn't want LLL to "slip by" and then boom. Vote change. I think day 1 we tend to attack people who make these kind of moves, and mostly they are townies making them.
JR, I wouldn't mind you moving off of Jaz to put Potent in. Maddog's posts were somewhat confused when he stacked Jaz, so I don't have a problem seeing Jaz fall out. The downside would be Maddog getting his vote back.
I would like Maddog to stay in too. It seemed odd that he had a basis for his vote (being he wanted to stack the only one who started a stack), but it was sloppy as there were other options that fit his reasoning. Again though, I think we tend to attack the townies who mess up so I don't want laser vision going forward.
I don't think including anyone who has made odd moves in the runoff qualifies as tunnel-vision yet. We might as well do it. I'm not trying to lynch anyone right away, but the people who have made noise (there aren't many) could use some scrutiny.
Tainted Opossum , could we have an extension so that we can talk this out a little bit more?
I agree with you that they deserve a better look day 1 for sure. I'm just saying I'm not laser focused on anyone right now and day 2 we should take a broad look. Things like this can get ugly and be used to mafia advantage.
Makes no sense to kick someone (Zolah) out of a runoff if nobody is willing to join me putting someone else in.
That and if I move, do people think I'm saving Zolah? Cause that this point, I have no idea who anyone is. And I don't care about Zolah, unless she's the Inspector.
I'm not the inspector. I'm also not mafia. I am town.
If you are town, you should be concerned about me (or anyone else) potentially being mafia. If you're mafia, you should be concerned about me (or anyone else) being inspector. (Of course you'd want to save the inspector as town too, but ultimately, townies are hunting the bad guys and the bad guys are hunting the inspector).
I voted for you out of fun because you haven't played in a while, but I can't help but give you a second glance with your two retaliations and this post. Maybe it's nothing, but it's something I am taking note of.
FWIW, I didn't stack anyone. I get that it could be looked at that way because I am in a group that got stacked. My vote was all in fun and I'd have been willing to change it had I saw anything funny, but the only thing I can see as funny are LD... And drunk Maddog. Re-reading, I find Maddog's reasoning more drunk/sloppy than anything. Speaking of, there might be a tipsy Zolah around this evening. TGIF.
This seems a little off to me. LD wanted to vote for Potent after Potent had dropped LLL for him. LD had no reason to vote for Potent with his first vote. Not sticking up for Mr. Defensive LD here, but your posts seem a little forced here, Carini. Especially in comparison to your posts last game.
I just forgot the timeline of events, actually didn't realize until now how badly I miscalculated it lol. Posted the first one while on quick break at work, and the second was just a clarification. Also his answer was good for me and I saw no need to press further on the topic. I know that doesn't make much sense but I've been staring at my screen for the past 5 min trying to figure how to reword it and can't. (damn corn)
Forced? Nah, just not a good week for me to play mafia, so good thing it fell early day 1 and starting tomorrow I'll be able to pay attention more. Are you the mafia who is going to try and frame me for not being actively involved yet or have you simply bought into Zig's bs like Pablo has
No need to frame anyone this game. However, I am afraid I am turning into Zig this game ("the 4th mafia").
So... tipsy Zolah here. But last round, Maddog and Pablo discussed Maddog's last minute extension/vote switch back and forth which seemed odd to me (not at the time, only upon re-reading, I believe it was page 4). Now Pablo is just MIA all weekend while he needs to simply vote. I get that it would have just been easier last round for Pablo to just vote me than to vote Jaz and then Maddog go, "whoa, extension, voting Zolah," but it's weird. And that's something Potent/Dan & I would have done last game... And oddly enough, that shit worked. JR ... Make me another drink...
I was going to wait to say this after all the votes were in but I'll go ahead and point this out. The quietness also fits a long time pattern of LD being an easy round 1 mark, partly cause he brings it on himself. Seems almost too perfect that LD is sitting there with 4 votes for 48 hours and there is literally nothing said.
Could mean nothing but it's always something that sticks out to me with players like LD and Roonectar. Granted, most of the older players are all gone so that changes that dynamic a fair amount.
LD has not fallen off my radar at all. For him to toss me into the runoff for voting for him, and then him wanting Potent in the runoff for putting him in seems very paranoid. Not one or the other necessarily, but for both... I also don't want to get too much cloudy vision. There are people who haven't said or done much who could easily be under the radar.
People always say that, but my anecdotal experience is that the mafia waits for someone else to make the move. I know every time I'm mafia we get in that position and go silent, and some townie who doesn't know better bails us out.
I'm interested in why you are so interested in defending LD right now. It's Day One, townies shouldn't really have much opinion on who dies, and a townie dies most times on D1 and we can't do much about it because we don't know shit.
I'm on LD but not for much reason other than that's where I could move my vote D1R1 that left no revoters in the runoff. I see no reason to move right now, though I will move in the morning if Pablo hasn't voted so we don't just vote him off.
Catching up on mobile with vodka... which sucks for me. I almost agreed with SFA... but I agree more with Potent here. Been there a few times and town usually puts their foot in their mouth. It almost makes me want to suspect some random 3 who haven't had much input yet.
Interesting that both others in the runoff are voting for me. And 2 rounds in a row Pablo makes the deciding vote and someone changes it to keep me in. It could be said Jaz was saved last round. Or Maddog this round. Oddly enough, those are the two keeping me in it as well.
I feel like Maddog and Jaz slipping out and each throwing me in last minute is more suspicious than LD retaliating x2. I also think it would be more beneficial for town to see where Potent/LLL/JR re-vote... Because they've been 3 of the quieter players.
I understand your suspicion, but wouldn't you agree that it's more beneficial for the town to gain information from three revoters instead of just Carini? I don't mind your vote switch because even though I lean town on Maddog, I don't actually know his role, and we still get decent information from the revoters.
I see your point, and I even agree with it. For me though, I see you and Maddog each falling out (Maddog taking you out and you taking him out, both to toss me in last minute). I also think that most day 1s are townies jumping around creating clouds... which is why I wanted to see Potent/LLL/JR to have input and re-vote. That and Maddog feels weirder to me than LD now. His first vote for you with poor reasoning. Taking you out to put me in last minute. Now him almost falling out. Might be nothing, but I feel like he should be looked at more than LD. Maybe more importantly though having these 3 quieter people have some input.
I feel like LD screwed my motive for trying to see where Potent/LLL/JR would vote. Those 3 were quieter. It would have been nice to see where they ended up and what they had to say. Instead LD changed it from 4-4 to 5-3 before they could even vote or have a say. I don't like that.
Hot dog! I just got back from grocery shopping. I have to go put stuff away, but wanted to check in. I almost hit send on this before I left, but I didn't want to leave to die in retaliation...
There are three players who stick out most day 1 to me. SFA, LD and Maddog. One of them is in the run-off and seems to have posted some drunk nonsense and otherwise made a big spectacle of himself. And the other two have been making a huge deal of it, and basically pointing to him hard. Maddog may very well be Mafia trying to kick up dust and confuse the hell out of everyone, but he doesn't sound the same as he did when he was Mafia 2 games ago to me. Im getting a town vibe from him right now.
I'm also not really getting anything but a town vibe from Zolah, tbh. But, the two other players who have my interest are already voting for Maddog, and I don't feel comfortable voting with them. My guess is that we have two townies in here, as usual. With all of the talk for just a first round that went down to get us here, it makes me concerned that there was Mafia who slipped out of this one.
I'm going to even it up and see what JR has to say. I'm up for changing.
JR, did you work this weekend or something? I'm asking because you still haven't voted. I was at a music festival all weekend and just returned this evening. I haven't been able to post or read without a lot of effort. Players who are just quiet to be quiet when they could have been active concern me some. You were very quiet like this when we were Mafia together a few games back. And then more active last game as town. Just pointing this out for consideration as the game goes on.
LLL>>>Zolah
I could have wrote exactly what you did. I thought all these things last night. Of course, I am on the chopping block and if I started saying names, boom. Bye bye Zolah. I felt it was odd that SFA was backing up LD so much. It was odd to me to be last second tossed into the runoff from Jaz/Maddog, but I am starting to wonder if those were townies grasping and it got used against them (I do agree that me being in was best for re-votes, but it would have made me less suspicious of them had it not been the last minute both times, with the same two falling out last minute). Immediately after LD fell out, LD voted Maddog and he and SFA went to town on him...
Anyway... I think if Maddog is indeed mafia (I'd lean that way, he was inspector before and this is nothing like when he was inspector, unless he's just a really salty lying townie)... JR would be cleared to me, because I know I am town.
You remember Maddog's reveal as well as I do I am sure. It's clear that he was taking notes the whole time he was inspector. I almost said TLDR last game. If he was indeed inspector, I would think he would have been keeping notes again, because he did great before.
Yeah. You are right. I was reading it as odd behavior to. We only have one Inspector, so to have two players going to town on one other player seems more Mafia to me. Especially in the first day. Now, that doesn't mean one of them (or even both) aren't Mafia who were distancing from Maddog... If so, they really fucked their partner though.
Those 2 can play a little like villains though to be fair. I can't help but wonder though... Because I don't usually change my vote at the last minute and I did to Maddog... To me, getting tossed into runoffs last minute twice was more sketchy than LD retaliating.
I feel like Maddog and Jaz slipping out and each throwing me in last minute is more suspicious than LD retaliating x2. I also think it would be more beneficial for town to see where Potent/LLL/JR re-vote... Because they've been 3 of the quieter players.
Zolah > Maddog
Full vote here would be:
Zolah > LD > Maddog
If Maddog was mafia, we would both have to be really freakin' dumb to team up together to ensure the 2 of us were the last 2. Which is why I also think JR is probably clear. He had the pick of Maddog or me, and went Maddog.
I was tempted to just hang back and see who came at me for it but yeah, I did have to say something as I don't like much going to sleep with 3 to vote on pre noon deadlines, if we want a town win we need to help each other out
I know, I'm finishing my quick break and you caught me at a brief point where I could reply. Back to my basement corner now hahaha
Back to your corner, Carini!
To me, everyone is guilty. JR reads most town to me though, because I am town and he had the choice of me, or mafia Maddog. Maddog is either mafia or really salty. I agree with Dan that SFA would be next on my list of likely town based on their heated ongoing argument. That didn't seem fake. I wouldn't clear LD though.
Even after saying this, I'm not glued to anything. I played into Potent's scheme last game and know anything can be possible.
I would lean town on him if I had to make a guess. I don't like to give town reads lightly though. You're all guilty.
He moved me and Maddog from 4-4 to 5-3 in my favor. That definitely looks town when I am looking at it. But this is the same guy who faked inspector as a townie. He wouldn't be high on my list, but I'd still take a second look at him later, if that makes sense.
I haven't done that in five years, and yet people still keep bringing it up.
I didn't know how long ago it was. Thanks for that information. FWIW, I do lean town on you. I just don't like to shut out all options for the future. You'd make my top 3 list of town reads if I had to make one.
LD said "I think we got Mafia that is experienced". That sounds like a dog whistle comment to me, or at least the whistle of some other super furry animal. LD also seemed pretty convinced that Maddog was Mafia, and I don't have that quote in front of me but I'm pretty sure I recall SFA saying that he read town on Maddog (something I admittedly did as well). So to me the whack points to SFA with how I'm reading it right now.
I know I'm going to get votes this round with how Maddog and I both moved off of each other. Assuming Maddog was Mafia, that paints a big 'ol target on my back. I hope at least some of you can see that I just thought it made more sense to get information from three revoters instead of one. I don't really have much more to say on it other than that.
Jaz > SFA
I feel like your vote for me made more sense than Maddog's. I've seen how town makes moves that mafia can use to their advantage. I would *think* the two of you wouldn't do that together... To me, you don't read town, but I'm not ready to jump on you either.
I think the whack points to Potent first and foremost. LD's move was noteworthy, and focused on Potent. Seems a little aggressive, but an Inspector LD with Potent's name would have had somewhat of a justification and may have gone for it. Mafia would have to consider that.
I also think that Jaz is a really interesting candidate.
Maddog was pretty clearly Mafia. I generally will be the last one to think something for sure, but the probability of it based on the shenanigans of Day 1 is too high to not essentially operate under that assumption. That makes Jaz look pretty shady. I'm not saying that if Maddog was Mafia, Jaz is. I am saying in the light of Maddog being Mafia, the movement around Jaz looks super shady.
I had a very strong Mafia vibe from Maddog from Day 1. I voted for Jaz on Day 2 because I had already telegraphed that I would probably vote for Zolah, and I was confident that Jaz would fall out of a runoff with Maddog, LD and himself. Maddog and LD had already drawn a lot of attention. I thought I could use my vote on Maddog in a higher-leverage round if I needed to, or switch off of Jaz onto him reasonably. I also didn't have a great reason to vote for Zolah at that time.
Both Potent and Jaz are very good candidates for the runoff.
Before re-reading tonight, my inclination was to put a new name out there and build the runoff, rather than letting others shape the runoff, like I did in Day 1. That's what I'm going to do.
When LD merely mentioned the possibility of tossing Potent in, Danbob went pretty hard defending Potent and going after LD. He and I had a whole exchange about it. Here is that back-and-forth, where my point was that Potent's shaping of the runoff had made him interesting to me, and that I understood LD wanting to toss him in, because it was early and there were only so many good candidates for that. It's spoiler tagged for space on the page. I'm sure you've read it. I've only left a note indicating when voting ended. There is no other commentary in the quoted text:
(((Danbob is really concerned about whether I am suspicious of Potent mere seconds after the round ends and Potent is safe. At that point Maddog, LD, Zolah and Jaz are tied at two votes apiece)))
Ok so, Potent is essentially a must-have in runoffs on Day 2 and Danbob thought that there was nothing weird about him and defended him pretty strongly. He also went pretty hard after a confirmed Townie, the player who was eventually whacked on Night 1.
After that half-page of dialogue between myself and Danbob about LD, Danbob later accuses me of being quieter than usual in the middle of the Night and suggests putting me in a run-off Day 2:
I think that's a weird thing for Danbob to say during Night. Most people don't talk or use coded language. He just says I specifically have been quieter than usual, therefore I should be in the run-off. Someone who knew they weren't getting whacked might say that, but why would Town who legitimately believe they're calling Mafia out during Night? Unless the plan was getting yourself whacked to out the Mafia or something, that seems risky.
By the way, Danbob is giving me way too much grief for curbing my Mafia spamming addiction. Sure, I'm not first in posts this game, but I'm still fourth behind Zolah, who is basically the ref, Maddog, who was almost certainly Mafia trying to talk his way out of a lynching, and SFA. I was very active in supporting LD, who is confirmed Town. (We can talk about scenario where he's not Town, but they don't make a ton of sense to me). And even aside from my post count, I have been pretty influential in this game, for better or worse. I am in no way hiding. I've been using my votes in a way to try to maximize my personal information and leverage and I did it to kill someone we all have a pretty good idea was Mafia. If Maddog was Mafia, I don't know why I would vote the way I did.
So anyway, I'm voting for Danbob. I'm just not buying what he is selling. Maybe that's myopic because he and I have gotten into it already, but I disagree with so much of his play in this game so far.
Pablo > Danbob
Pablo, I agree with you. (Which also makes me question you, LOL). There were a couple posts by Dan that made me go hmm...
This one seemed like a feeler to keep LD in the runoff.
Not enough to change my vote but I do find LDs behavior a little off. It seems like he's trying to do everything possible just to slip out of the runoff.
And this one just seemed odd. LD was the whack and before the whack came out he was questioning why I wouldn't give LD a town read. As a blind townie on day 1, it's hard to give any solid reads.
I'm about to go run but I had a thought... Why did Maddog throw a little "aww man, so much for my reveal" tantrum? If he was town, he hurt the town. If he was mafia, I would think it would be better to go out quietly and let town stumble in every direction... I feel like it was on purpose... possibly for some mega distancing.
I'm about to go run but I had a thought... Why did Maddog throw a little "aww man, so much for my reveal" tantrum? If he was town, he hurt the town. If he was mafia, I would think it would be better to go out quietly and let town stumble in every direction... I feel like it was on purpose... possibly for some mega distancing.
Maddog did what he did as mafia, to benefit mafia. I just am not buying into that Maddog gave himself up for a half a percent chance that someone will believe he was the inspector. Nope. There's more to it.
As for why Mad Dog decided to throw us off with a "reveal" I think it was nothing meant to confuse us (similar to what I did last game when my fake failed). I think it would be a waste of time to consider why he did it.
This is different. Your "reveal" was when you were called out for saving me on day 2 (it was 2 or 3, but pretty sure it was 2). His little fit was on way out in day 1. Everyone would have assumed he was town had he went without that tidbit (because let's face it, it's usually a townie to die on day 1). To say it's a waste of time to even consider it doesn't sound like you're being a townie with an open mind. Sure, maybe it's wrong. But a waste of time?
What are the possibilities? Am I missing something? He either did it because he's (the worst EVAR) inspector, (the worst EVAR) townie, or mafia. Whether he did it for distancing or whatever is irrelevant, I think we got a mafia D1.
I think we got mafia too. But my question is, why would he practically out himself on his way out? He didn't give anyone actual doubt that he was inspector. Puh-lease. It appears he wanted to be known as mafia... Okay. Why? I feel like someone has good cover with that info out in the open.
You know what would be smart town? Start going after the people that lead the way against a confirmed mafia member. That will get you real far.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm voting in alliance with what the whack points to. I just thought we could discuss what mafia would have to gain by him outing himself on the way out. Do you think he just did it in a rage? I just feel there's more to it. Maybe I'm wrong. Can you clear all the Maddog voters?
IMO, if someone wants an extension, they should ask. You never know whether he legit doesn't have time to review or he's bs-ing you and using that as an excuse for a free vote later.
I'm having a lot of conflicting thoughts about my vote. Part of me wonders if LD was whacked not because of his talk about Potent, but because of his push on Maddog... Period. It also looks funny to me that Maddog and Jaz each opened up voting for each other, and each tossed me in at the end of runoffs. It doesn't help that neither of them feel like talking.
Pablo, I have a question for you. You seemed pretty good with Jaz falling out on day 1 (and even the beginning of day 2) and having Potent in. Now you seem reversed. Not casting shade on you, I am just wondering why?
Then when you voted SFA & no one followed you re-voted to put someone in, you voted with JR on Carini, instead of on Pablo that you questioned was being saved...
I'm going to switch my vote because nobody seems to be interested in either A) pursuing SFA with me, or B) expanding the runoff.
I'm having a hard time deciding between voting for LLL (which would be the self-interested vote, since Jaz is on her now and it would make him move his vote, and he's in the D2 runoff with me), or Carini, who is probably third on my suspect list after SFA and Jaz.
I think I have to go with my gut:
Potent > SFA > Carini
Hopefully townies see that having a 3 way on D2 is more helpful than a 2 way.
Dude of all the players in the game, he said he wanted to put you in the runoff specifically. Don't act like that doesn't mean anything.
Oh look he mentioned you more than once. Why you lying bro?
This could apply to a number of people, but yes you're one of them. Other candidates include myself, SFA, and LLL. More so SFA or LLL than you or I in my opinion, simply because they are the "one or two" that have been playing the longest. Hence my votes for SFA and LLL in this round.
Looks like he was definitely only someone's trail.
I don't get why some people are so fixated on Jaz's schedule though. He is usually a pretty quiet player in the first rounds. It is almost starting to concern me some. I get that it could be an indication of his role, and may be further evidence that he is Mafia. But to drill it so hard over and over again almost seems feigned to me. I won't be moving my vote because of what I outlined in my last post, but it is something I'm making note of.
I get that he's usually reserved. I don't think I made mention of it til this afternoon. This is what stood out to me though about it...
Dude of all the players in the game, he said he wanted to put you in the runoff specifically. Don't act like that doesn't mean anything.
Oh look he mentioned you more than once. Why you lying bro?
This could apply to a number of people, but yes you're one of them. Other candidates include myself, SFA, and LLL. More so SFA or LLL than you or I in my opinion, simply because they are the "one or two" that have been playing the longest. Hence my votes for SFA and LLL in this round.
Looks like he was definitely only someone's trail.
Can't help but wonder if Jaz was sitting back because it looked like Potent was a done deal. Now that it seems it can go either way he's in for the fight.
So I have read and re-read and I can convince myself a reason of voting for either. I think LD was whacked solely on his bump that immediately put Maddog at 5-3 when it was 4-4. I think his talk about Potent was in retaliation for putting him into the runoff. (Could he be mafia? Sure). I'm going to go on votes here. And Jaz helped shape the initial runoff... And had I stayed on LD day 1, it would have been a townie that got lynched.
Potent also placed a vote on SFA who I considered could benefit from Maddog's outburst on his way out. What better cover for SFA after having the whacked guy's back and voting out mafia. (Not convinced of this, but it crossed my mind, I feel like mafia has something funky going on). I feel like a mafia member would have someone easier to go after other than someone who stood up for the whack and voted out mafia.
I can't help but feel like voting out jaz is a mistake. Not saying he's 100% town but all Potent has done this whole day is talk in circles and basically say anything to get him out of the runoff. AND THEN when he has the majority of the votes Zolah saves him. It's not really passing the smell test.
I was questioning them yesterday because I was leaning Jaz. I'm not going to go vote though while we were still waiting on someone else to cast a vote.
Well this is fabulous. I had some suspicions about Jaz being mafia... and with you looking like a done deal from the get go, I was suspecting a fellow mafia be voting for him who may try and save him.
He did this AFTER you brought it up as a theory. Him and LLL added fuel to it. Perhaps one or both of them saw it as a chance to lead the town astray?
It also doesn't really make sense to vote Jaz if you think your theory about me is true.
1.you are voting along with me.
2. Jaz being mafia with me makes zero sense with your theory. It would mean mafia cooked up some longterm plan to distance themselves ftom Maddog. One lead a charge to get him voted off. THEN, for some reason, the other mafia draws attention to himself by trying to save Maddog from a runoff. Pretty positive Jaz and I arn't that dumb.
Never said I had it all figured out. (And there's more than just you that I could be looking at). I'm playing this game like meteorologists track hurricane paths. Many different possible courses. I'm solely going on my gut for this Jaz/Potent vote in the light of Maddog/LD. I'm not convinced with either vote that I'm voting the right way. Same went for LD/Maddog on day 1 and apparently I got that one right.
Forgive me for thinking that your post the was 1/2 about your theory(where you legitimized your vote by using it in your reasoning) was actually all from your gut.
But yeah, I also have no strong opnion either way. Typicalky mafia would split and lay low in this situation.
I agree with you. Half of my vote is about not voting with someone else. And it isn't you. But I'll let that stew.
Just say Danbob or whoever... Anybody trying to hide their affilations already knows you're on the look out from your earlier post.
You or JR are the next likly whack. No reason to be vague now.
True dat. I actually had a post already started about Danbob before he pushed at me for saving Potent. I added to it after that. Funny how when I said I was not wanting to vote with someone he shut up too.
Also, not that we're on Danbob here, but Danbob has been reading funny to me this game. First, while mafia is submitting a whack, he asks me why I wouldn't give LD a town read:
As for why Mad Dog decided to throw us off with a "reveal" I think it was nothing meant to confuse us (similar to what I did last game when my fake failed). I think it would be a waste of time to consider why he did it.
Then he voted Potent instead of Jaz. Which is fine. I did it too...
I've given the game a good reread and out of the runoff right now I think that Potent is probably the most likely candidate. I know why people put jaz into the runoff but I'm not really convinced he could be mafia. Out of carini and Potent I think potent has the stronger case here. I also think that his arguments on the last page don't make much sense- even going so far as to bring up gamblers fallacy. I'm open to discussion but for now I'm voting for potent.
I can't help but feel like voting out jaz is a mistake. Not saying he's 100% town but all Potent has done this whole day is talk in circles and basically say anything to get him out of the runoff. AND THEN when he has the majority of the votes Zolah saves him. It's not really passing the smell test.
As a townie, I am confused AF as for who to vote for. I've spent way too much time trying to get these two talking. Danbob's been a little snarky and stinks to me. I don't want to vote with him.
I don't know Danbob's role, but something to think about that I see when reading this is that it seems like you're suspicious of Danbob based on your suspicions of me, and you're suspicious of me based on my interactions regarding Maddog. So when it comes to Danbob you're quite far removed from the actual Mafia. Like if you want to be suspicious of me I get it, but even if Danbob is Mafia, looking at me isn't the best way to base your accusations. With each set of assumptions your links get shakier and shakier. And I know your assumption about me is wrong.
So much wrong. My suspicion on Danbob is because he questioned why I wouldn't clear LD right before he was whacked and he seems sure Potent would mafia over you. As a townie, I could go either way on you guys, so it seems off to me. And him going at me for my vote switch...
Honey you mentioned Danbob defending me and his vote for Potent over me as being part of your reasons for suspecting him. That's literally in your own post.
Honey, this is a tough decision. So yes, I looked at everyone. Danbob reads funky to me. I'd rather not vote with him. Why are you defending him? I could still go to Potent, and making a case against LLL would be better for that than defending Danbob.
Sugarbear I'm not defending him. My only point was that the further removed you get from people directly implicated by whacks etc, the more shaky your links are. I didn't say that was the only reason you were talking about Danbob, but it was part of it.
I understand what you're saying, muffin. But for a vote that I could literally use a coin toss on, I had to look into things and at least try. I'm still not set on my vote.
And Jaz , for what it's worth, I did have some suspicions on LLL as well. Part of me voting for you was to see if she'd jump ship to Potent for some reason during her next re-read she was doing. But Potent went and voted for himself and disappeared and fucked anything up that could have been. Maybe we should just kill one of you today and the other tomorrow and be done with it. I'm kidding. But I sure as hell hope the inspector is alive with some juicy info. I do feel like there will be a conveniently formed fake in this game too based on how Maddog went out.
If I switch to Potent it will be because I think Jaz is town 100%. Not sure if you are implying that you think Jaz is Mafia and wanted to see if I would save him. I am well aware that it will look that way if I move. I'm not dumb. I will become the next townie targeted. That is why I have stayed, but let my feelings be known that I don't know if I am making the right move. I would rather stay put than draw attention to myself, but I also don't want to be a part of townies losing the game if we are fucking this run-off up. And I hope that if Inspector is alive, they have guided us here and aren't just letting us shit our pants.
I understand what you're saying. To me, when I was questioning Jaz and Potent, you seemed to defend Jaz while your vote was on him. I can see it as town feeling like he was being ganged up on, or mafia, setting up your potential vote switch. I just had to weigh all options.
Mafia is laughing their asses off right now if they are both town.
Honestly, this game feels like one where Mafia is sitting back laughing while a few of us run around in circles and they coast.
I thought that too. And I felt like one of the people who was sitting back before all this was you. You're definitely not the only one though... A few are still hanging back.
I think that Potent is the one the whack points to the most, and this - coupled with the fact that he was voting for Zolah at the end of D1 - makes him most likely to be Mafia in my eyes. There is a slight difference in wording here: so far I don't consider any one person to be more than likely Mafia (which is what you asked), but I do consider Potent to be the one most likely to be Mafia. You and Carini are also suspects to me based on D1 ending votes. JR and Zolah I think are more than likely town.
And you're right, I do get more surly when I'm Mafia. Thanks for the heads up, I'll try to remember that next time I'm scum.
You were voting for me at the end of D1 too. And you switched to me from Maddog (mafia), letting him almost escape the runoff had I not moved my vote.
I know, that rationale is completely justified and I've stated as such multiple times. That's why I'm not even mad that I'm in this runoff - it's sound reasoning and I'm not going to pretend it's not. But I know I'm town - I'm not suspicious of myself. That doesn't mean I'm not going to be suspicious of the other people who voted for you instead of Maddog.
I appreciate you having input. And like I said, I am not set on my vote.
JR told me to post this about why he's been MIA all day. We replaced our 50" tv with a 65" tv. After a trip to Best Buy and 2 trips to Lowe's and an afternoon of "fun"... It's up. (Of the 4 bolt holes to mount the tv, the bottom ones needed different length bolts than the top, which is why a 2nd trip to Lowe's was needed. How dumb).
Now he's outside playing basketball with our son. Going to join them. Peace.
I understand the whack pointing to me, but how is the fact that I voted Zolah a problem? That vote count was 4-4 at the beginning of that round and LD made the quickie change to make it 5-3. I voted after that to make it 5-4, solely pulling what I feel is a town move by giving a chance to have one of the remaining voters even it up and then the last remaining voter make the decision (in which case, we actually got information on two players, because we knew LD's preference as well). Jaz, you're the king of voting to even things up (and I say that non-judgmentally, I think it's the right move for townies), so it's surprising to see you use that against me.
If you believe Maddog's final comment means he's mafia, that LD vote change that hurried along his fate is pretty obviously the reason that LD was whacked. The fact that LD is sloppy and goes unhinged in throwing out names was just a bonus.
I feel like Jaz was surly toward me at the beginning of this final runoff, really pushing for me to be the lynch. Maybe I'm just sensitive or too close to it, but if you look at the exchanges we had, I felt like that mafia Jaz surliness came out (which is a reason I started feeling more like he was mafia instead of two townies in the runoff). I only remember one other time it came down to Jaz and myself and him pushing against me like that, in Mafia 78. That's anecdotal and a gut feeling from myself so it doesn't really mean anything to anyone else, but I'm just throwing it out there.
I'm not really going to vote for myself. I mean, I'm tempted to do it, but at the end of the day that's voting for someone I know is a townie vs someone I'm not sure about and frankly feel better chance at being mafia.
Potent > Jaz
Glad to see you finally check in. As someone who was recently mafia with you, I watched you sit back all weekend and "watch" while you ducked low. And your post above looks like you copied and pasted what other people already said.
It really annoys me when people give other people shit for their contributions (or lack thereof) on weekends. If we would've said that the round would close on the weekend, I would have tried to check in earlier, but we didn't. That's why the rules are what they are. I'm glad that many of you had the ability to check in yesterday. I didn't. That's all.
I get it. I really do. I feel like this vote is going to come down to me though, and frankly I don't know WTF to do. It's driving me a little batty. Mafia scum, you better whack me next.
Okay, I feel like Potent has played a bit erratic and he has disappeared... twice. I also don't understand voting for yourself at all. I have also gotten into it with Jaz before twice (make it three times now)... Both those other times Jaz was town (well, once town and once inspector). This vote is very difficult for me, but I'm going based on if there is for sure mafia here, Jaz will put his foot in his mouth while Potent will sit back and say nothing.
I like this move from Zolah. I was most likely going to make it if she didn't, but I wanted to see that she would.
Pablo > Jaz > Potent
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Part of why I suspected Danbob was because you and him had a few exchanges... And I found you inspector-ish, while I found him either shady or lazy. I did not want to vote with Danbob... So I opted to vote WITH you. If you are inspector, you better get to talking now... Because if I seen it, they've seen it. And if you're not inspector, you are mafia. Because I still feel like a fake is coming this game.
Also over the past several games we seem to have deduced that quiet Carini is almost always Mafia, and he's the quietest player of this game so far. I feel like that's worth pointing out, and am surprised no one else has done so yet.
I was tempted to just hang back and see who came at me for it but yeah, I did have to say something as I don't like much going to sleep with 3 to vote on pre noon deadlines, if we want a town win we need to help each other out
I'm watching to see who tries to falsely accuse me of that this game
Not to mention 15 minutes before this post of yours, I already pointed it out that I pointed you out. If that makes sense... Re-read dude. I already replied to Jaz's comment about you before you did.
You and everyone else should know that unless I'm at work I'm most likely looking at this game after eating a bunch of corn, I often act before thinking things over or reading the thread in full - Same shit I pulled earlier this game about LD's timeline
I get that too. As I am pretty much confirmed town this game, and my kids are in school, but I'm not coaching yet... I feel like I can say anything... Above all, I felt like LLL/Danbob are the shadiest. I could see SFA saying he voted out Maddog and stuck up for LD... That would totally benefit him most with Maddog's hissy fit out...
10) The Like Rule: No person, player or otherwise, may like any posts by active players.
Technically SFA is an active player, so I cannot like. Fawn and I went through a lot together behind the scenes of Mafia 100. I take this crap seriously.
Looking at some of Zolah's thoughts about other players. I focused in more on the last couple pages of the game.
Danbob: Shadiest along with LLL. Lazy or shady due to exchanges with Pablo. He read "funky" to her.
LLL: Shadiest along with Danbob. Called out LLL for hanging back twice. Was trying to get a read on LLL with her vote on Jaz, but it fell through because of Potent's self vote.
SFA: Seemed to be a town read to her, but she could see him playing distance with his Maddog vote.
Pablo: Possibly inspector, if not mafia.
Jaz: She was uncomfortable giving him a pass at the end of day 2, but didn't seem comfortable calling him likely one way or the other. Called him out for switching from Maddog to her at the end of Day 1.
Carini: Zolah went back and forth with Carini a few times over her last few days, but it seemed like trivial stuff, nothing really accusatory.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 12, 2017 16:27:09 GMT -5
Those seem like two good candidates to me, but I do get the feeling that Zolah was not Inspector and that Mafia most likely did not think she was either. She was, however, someone who most Townies seemed solid on being town. Her whack can point in a lot of different directions. Aside from JR being given a Town read by her, she was at least a little paranoid concerning all other players. If I had to guess, I'd think Mafia felt pretty good about eliminating LD given there was no reveal Day 2, so they went after the most trusted Townie.
Thoughts on a third for the runoff? Should Jaz get another look or no?
Those seem like two good candidates to me, but I do get the feeling that Zolah was not Inspector and that Mafia most likely did not think she was either. She was, however, someone who most Townies seemed solid on being town. Her whack can point in a lot of different directions. Aside from JR being given a Town read by her, she was at least a little paranoid concerning all other players. If I had to guess, I'd think Mafia felt pretty good about eliminating LD given there was no reveal Day 2, so they went after the most trusted Townie.
Thoughts on a third for the runoff? Should Jaz get another look or no?
I don't know. With neither you nor Zolah coming out as Inspector, it really puts Jaz being town more to me. He started to really read town, but you two also read as Inspector and a player covering for the Inspector, and both had a vote on him, so I felt comfortable keeping my vote where it was despite my gut feeling of him sounding town. Then you two both switched to Potent.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Sept 12, 2017 17:55:35 GMT -5
SFA>>> Danbob
I'm town and lean heavy town on JR.
I think at least one mafia voted Maddog round 1. So Pablo or Danbob. Unless Pablo was playing really slick and laying a trap I think some of his activity reads townish.
It will slsi be good to explore the other side of round one voters more. Get people talking on a different focus.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
After a reread I still can't shake my suspicions of Pablo. the way he's interacted with me all game doesn't seem town to me.
Also I'm not sure what I've done to warrant the suspicions that everyone is giving me. I don't mind being in the runoff but I can't help but feel like I'm being set up here.
D2R1 Vote History Jaz > SFA Zolah > Potent Carini > Potent LLL > Jaz SFA > Jaz Jaz > SFA > LLL Pablo > Dan JR > Pablo Dan > Pablo JR > Pablo > Carini Potent > SFA Potent > SFA > Carini
Jaz, Pablo, LLL - Can we get a vote here?!?!?! All of you have made multiple posts since the whack. This isn't helping the town at all not leaving time for discussion/changes, etc after votes
Jaz, Pablo, LLL - Can we get a vote here?!?!?! All of you have made multiple posts since the whack. This isn't helping the town at all not leaving time for discussion/changes, etc after votes
I definitely had the same thought here. I was afraid people would be waiting on me because I wanted to read and think before I voted. Here we are, many hours later, and the left to vote folks have obviously kept up.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 12, 2017 22:19:59 GMT -5
Pablo > LLL
I like both Danbob and LLL in here. Wanted to see what some other people did and whom I would have to vote for to get that runoff. I have more of an issue with Dan, as is well-documented, but I'm voting LLL to even it up.
