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When someone alters the make-up of the runoff when Town is voting randomly and Mafia is voting purposefully, I think that, yes, there is reason to suspect that person might be Mafia. Is that really so hard to understand?
And if we are going to put Potent in, I think it's good that LD didn't move first and take Zolah out. That would be suspicious to me. That's why if we put Potent in I would like to see Zolah stay in and Jaz to come out.
So are you saying you think that potent is suspicious? What I don't understand is you (and others) are trying to push Potent into the runoff for trying to get the game moving. Also it sounds like you're saying town has absolutely no reason to switch votes which is absolutely false. In fact, last game only townies moved their vote in round 1 (which made us mafia very happy).
I am fine with us leaving Potent out. If it were so important to me, I could have acted more aggressively and proactively to get him in. Instead, I sat back and waited because there were other concerns. I wanted Maddog, LD and Zolah to stay in, to a degree that was only marginally less-or-greater than how much I wanted Potent in. Potent's switch had no effect on dialogue. He didn't ask anybody for thoughts, he just went ahead and altered the composition of the runoff. If anyone should get credit for moving the game along by fostering dialogue, it should be LD.
I think you're being somewhat disingenuous about what exactly happened last game, but regardless, it is one game and should not be the guiding light for our actions in this game.
I feel like I have explained my thoughts on the matter thoroughly and coherently, and also the whole conversation has been much ado about nothing, so let's focus on the choices we have at hand.
So are you saying you think that potent is suspicious? What I don't understand is you (and others) are trying to push Potent into the runoff for trying to get the game moving. Also it sounds like you're saying town has absolutely no reason to switch votes which is absolutely false. In fact, last game only townies moved their vote in round 1 (which made us mafia very happy).
I am fine with us leaving Potent out. If it were so important to me, I could have acted more aggressively and proactively to get him in. Instead, I sat back and waited because there were other concerns. I wanted Maddog, LD and Zolah to stay in, to a degree that was only marginally less-or-greater than how much I wanted Potent in. Potent's switch had no effect on dialogue. He didn't ask anybody for thoughts, he just went ahead and altered the composition of the runoff. If anyone should get credit for moving the game along by fostering dialogue, it should be LD.
I think you're being somewhat disingenuous about what exactly happened last game, but regardless, it is one game and should not be the guiding light for our actions in this game.
I feel like I have explained my thoughts on the matter thoroughly and coherently, and also the whole conversation has been much ado about nothing, so let's focus on the choices we have at hand.
If you were me, Danbob, who would you vote for?
Fair enough. Although I would dispute that I'm being disingenuous - just go back and look for yourself.
But to your question. I don't really care who you vote for. If it were me I'd maybe vote for LD because he also wanted to push Potent in. Although I really don't have a reason to suspect any one person in this runoff over another.
I am fine with us leaving Potent out. If it were so important to me, I could have acted more aggressively and proactively to get him in. Instead, I sat back and waited because there were other concerns. I wanted Maddog, LD and Zolah to stay in, to a degree that was only marginally less-or-greater than how much I wanted Potent in. Potent's switch had no effect on dialogue. He didn't ask anybody for thoughts, he just went ahead and altered the composition of the runoff. If anyone should get credit for moving the game along by fostering dialogue, it should be LD.
I think you're being somewhat disingenuous about what exactly happened last game, but regardless, it is one game and should not be the guiding light for our actions in this game.
I feel like I have explained my thoughts on the matter thoroughly and coherently, and also the whole conversation has been much ado about nothing, so let's focus on the choices we have at hand.
If you were me, Danbob, who would you vote for?
Fair enough. Although I would dispute that I'm being disingenuous - just go back and look for yourself.
But to your question. I don't really care who you vote for. If it were me I'd maybe vote for LD because he also wanted to push Potent in. Although I really don't have a reason to suspect any one person in this runoff over another.
I'm going to digress to last game for just one more minute. I apologize, because I know this discussion has gone on too long and Potent is not even in the runoff. I just want to give my reasoning for why I disagree with your logic.
What you said about last game is technically true, but the implication is false and the correct conclusion contrary to what you're advocating, hence the label I gave it.
Yes, only Townies made moves from their initial vote, but a Mafia member made an unconventional vote, which is a larger category that a vote change fits into and is really the thing that makes a player noteworthy early in the game.
Also, you say that the vote changes Townies made led to Mafia's happiness. This makes sense in the context of that game, but I don't follow that being an argument for Townies making vote changes in this game, which you are advocating or at least excusing. In fact, the Townie vote changes last game led directly to a Mafia falling out of the runoff and a Townie being lynched. This is, in fact, an argument against Town making vote changes. Townies do not have the information that Mafia members have and in fact have next to no information at all early in the game, as I stated before and as is obvious to everyone. For Townies to make moves is a shot in the dark. For a Mafia member, it would be calculated.
I figured you would say LD. He's not my first choice, but he is a person of interest on some level. I want to see what LLL and SFA have to say or whom they vote for before I make a vote, though.
Fair enough. Although I would dispute that I'm being disingenuous - just go back and look for yourself.
But to your question. I don't really care who you vote for. If it were me I'd maybe vote for LD because he also wanted to push Potent in. Although I really don't have a reason to suspect any one person in this runoff over another.
I'm going to digress to last game for just one more minute. I apologize, because I know this discussion has gone on too long and Potent is not even in the runoff. I just want to give my reasoning for why I disagree with your logic.
What you said about last game is technically true, but the implication is false and the correct conclusion contrary to what you're advocating, hence the label I gave it.
Yes, only Townies made moves from their initial vote, but a Mafia member made an unconventional vote, which is a larger category that a vote change fits into and is really the thing that makes a player noteworthy early in the game.
Also, you say that the vote changes Townies made led to Mafia's happiness. This makes sense in the context of that game, but I don't follow that being an argument for Townies making vote changes in this game, which you are advocating or at least excusing. In fact, the Townie vote changes last game led directly to a Mafia falling out of the runoff and a Townie being lynched. This is, in fact, an argument against Town making vote changes. Townies do not have the information that Mafia members have and in fact have next to no information at all early in the game, as I stated before and as is obvious to everyone. For Townies to make moves is a shot in the dark. For a Mafia member, it would be calculated.
I figured you would say LD. He's not my first choice, but he is a person of interest on some level. I want to see what LLL and SFA have to say or whom they vote for before I make a vote, though.
Fair points. I wasn't trying to say that last game is a 1:1 comparison at all. The point I was trying to make is that town has legitimate reasons to make a vote switch in round 1. To me, Potents switch to get people talking is a town move - and since we are having this conversation it's safe to say it worked.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Aug 31, 2017 15:18:05 GMT -5
Reading over things. Not a lot to go on. Trying to look at voting gropus to ser of I see a way to shape this to gain the most info possible. But I don't know if that's possible this early on.
Makes no sense to kick someone (Zolah) out of a runoff if nobody is willing to join me putting someone else in.
That and if I move, do people think I'm saving Zolah? Cause that this point, I have no idea who anyone is. And I don't care about Zolah, unless she's the Inspector.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Aug 31, 2017 20:10:39 GMT -5
This isn"t based on much of anything substantial, so I willing to listen if my reasoning is wrong...
Going to vote Jimdawg for several reasons.
1. He's the only one of the 4 who's votes might be totally random. Zolah and Jaz's stacks were retaliation or could be excused as such. Potent's vote switch to LD could be him saving LLL. I'm NOT saying any of this is the case. Just explaining why I think it's a somewhat safer vote when I don't have much to go on.
2. While I didn't find his mistakes while voting all that suspicious, others do. If it's going to be an issue we might as well discuss it now before we have more solid info later in the game.
3.On a more selfish note, it seems the attention Jimdawg got for that mistake made him an easier target in the runoff. For better or worse, I know my vote is without malice. I might as well take it and deny a optional hiding spot for a Mafia vote later in the round. I also have a couple things i'd like to observe, which this vote allows.
4. I've read over the game twice and I don't see a legit reason anyone should be voted for. So we just gotta discuss our intentions and force a conversation that can be revisted later with more info.
Looking over things again there are a few notable votes to me. Jaz > Maddog as the first stack, Zolah > LD by not putting a second in the runoff after the first stack, and then Potents move.
Jaz being the first to stack makes me ok with keeping my vote on him for now. as for who I'd move my vote to out of LD and Zolah, LD was pretty quick to want Potent in a runoff after being voted for. Could have been town being defensive or it could have been a panic move. He also made a weird statement about only caring about Zolah if she's inspector so I don't know how that should make me feel about her.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Sept 1, 2017 2:45:06 GMT -5
Honestly. That was on first skim. I've been setting up camp until now and am a little beer drunk. I'll re-read in the morning and may end up switching if I see something more with Jaz or Zolah.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 1, 2017 8:50:43 GMT -5
So, I've already telegraphed that I'm not particularly interested in Jaz and that I was more interested in Maddog, LD and Zolah. Most of the reasoning behind my interest in Zolah was based on LD being on her when he suggested we toss Potent in. But LD didn't move off of her, and she's still in here. I'm not really all that interested in Zolah. I don't particularly care that she stacked, when she stacked.. People stack. They are expected to. The game requires it. So, in part for the sake of not letting Mafia plan for my move a round in advance, I'm going to vote Jaz here.
FWIW, I didn't stack anyone. I get that it could be looked at that way because I am in a group that got stacked. My vote was all in fun and I'd have been willing to change it had I saw anything funny, but the only thing I can see as funny are LD... And drunk Maddog. Re-reading, I find Maddog's reasoning more drunk/sloppy than anything. Speaking of, there might be a tipsy Zolah around this evening. TGIF.
FWIW, I didn't stack anyone. I get that it could be looked at that way because I am in a group that got stacked. My vote was all in fun and I'd have been willing to change it had I saw anything funny, but the only thing I can see as funny are LD... And drunk Maddog. Re-reading, I find Maddog's reasoning more drunk/sloppy than anything. Speaking of, there might be a tipsy Zolah around this evening. TGIF.
I have destroyed this delicate flower. First alcohol. Then mafia. Will the corruption never end?!
As far as Zolah stacking/not stacking. I understand someone has to stack, but the order in how people stack is important and not something to just throw away. Before Zolah's vote, I was stacked and there were 5 other one vote players. Rather than stacking on another player she adds another one vote player. That left Potent , LD, and I to shape the runoff, with me obviously not voting for myself.
Not saying that it's something we need to all dig into, but keeping track of who/when stack is important imo.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 1, 2017 13:10:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not saying it's meaningless. It just seems like an awfully specific couple of things you're irked by. You can always switch your vote to Zolah, if it matters that much to you.
if I drop out - Jaz in runoff with vote - if Zolah drops - LD in runoff with vote if LD drops - Zolah in runoff with vote if Jaz drops - no one in runoff gets free vote
since we aren't really going off of much in the first two rounds, I think more information can be gained from two free votes than one. from what I'm reading from the comments, pablo, jr, and I aren't very locked into jaz. JR's was a seemingly random vote, pablo's was in an attempt to get a leg up on mafia shaping the round, and mine was misguided to say the least.
As far as Zolah stacking/not stacking. I understand someone has to stack, but the order in how people stack is important and not something to just throw away. Before Zolah's vote, I was stacked and there were 5 other one vote players. Rather than stacking on another player she adds another one vote player. That left Potent , LD, and I to shape the runoff, with me obviously not voting for myself.
Not saying that it's something we need to all dig into, but keeping track of who/when stack is important imo.
Maddog you seem to be pointing in all different directions. Pointing at (and voting for) me for stacking, as well as at Zolah for not stacking. Maybe you've got your guard up about me because you were the person I ended up voting for, but I don't see why me stacking warrants your vote. I know I get naturally defensive when people vote for me for no reason - is the same true for you?
Not really too much else to say atm from what I can tell.
I would like to see where JR/Pablo move (knowing I'm kind of targeting myself by shaking things up) rather than see people in the runoff get their votes back, especially since none of the Jaz voters seem to be locked on him.
As far as Zolah stacking/not stacking. I understand someone has to stack, but the order in how people stack is important and not something to just throw away. Before Zolah's vote, I was stacked and there were 5 other one vote players. Rather than stacking on another player she adds another one vote player. That left Potent , LD, and I to shape the runoff, with me obviously not voting for myself.
Not saying that it's something we need to all dig into, but keeping track of who/when stack is important imo.
Maddog you seem to be pointing in all different directions. Pointing at (and voting for) me for stacking, as well as at Zolah for not stacking. Maybe you've got your guard up about me because you were the person I ended up voting for, but I don't see why me stacking warrants your vote. I know I get naturally defensive when people vote for me for no reason - is the same true for you?
Not really too much else to say atm from what I can tell.
I have generally wanted to have someone who stacks be in the runoff as well, I've done that every game. I felt like I tried to explain I was not locked into my vote by any means. I picked you over the other stackers in part because there was no tally and I mis read the votes.
As for my pointing, was more trying to keep tabs on the movements, and less the justifications behind them. Potent made the only real move, so it was more a look into the timing/order of votes.
as far as me taking note of who doesn't stack, since that has come up again, it's important? aside from last game in which 2 of 3 mafia stacked the 3rd (which I thought was ridiculous) most of the time's I've played there isn't a lot of mafia stacking in the early rounds of D1.
