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I'm not opposed to anyone in the runoff at this point... But I feel like you are retaliating a little. You put me in the runoff because I voted for you. Now Potent put you in and you want him in. I can see the other side of the coin though where he doesn't want LLL to "slip by" and then boom. Vote change. I think day 1 we tend to attack people who make these kind of moves, and mostly they are townies making them.
I was going voting partners, but missed the fact you already had a vote from someone else.
Makes no sense to kick someone (Zolah) out of a runoff if nobody is willing to join me putting someone else in.
That and if I move, do people think I'm saving Zolah? Cause that this point, I have no idea who anyone is. And I don't care about Zolah, unless she's the Inspector.
Not enough to change my vote but I do find LDs behavior a little off. It seems like he's trying to do everything possible just to slip out of the runoff.
If I die, I die. I'm trying to put people on notice, people that normally try and fly under the radar without a lot of scrutiny.
Yes, if it's between you and Z - I find you more suspicious. I'm on my phone right now, so I can't go into detail. You just ring more alarms to me.
To the town:
At this point, it makes no sense to really wait and see. It's either you find Maddog suspicious or Zolah. We don't need to have a 6-5 vote just for the sake of balance or whatever. We tend to do that a lot cause nobody wants to step out and rock the boat.
Bold move? Perhaps. Maybe I should have waited. But I want town to win, and I'm crazy enough to do something different. If you think Maddog should go out here, vote for him. If you think Zolah is more suspicious, vote her out. Even if it ends up 7-4 or 8-3, just do it.
I like how he waited until he was out of the runoff to make his bold move...
I'm not afraid of being aggressive. If I die, fuck it. I'm trying to get a town win, that's first and foremost importance.
When we have three or more in a runoff, it may make more sense to be more evened out in vote counts. At this point, maybe town should take a chance. I think you're more likely Mafia. Who is gonna come save you?
I'm thinking we got Mafia that is experienced. People who know what they're doing, people who have seen me go aggressive before. At least one or two have been playing this for years.
I feel like all of LD's votes and discussion have been in self preservation mode tbh. I'm not "admitting" anything, I'm saying everyone does it and that shouldn't be something you harp on since all it does is make it easier for mafia to play the martyr. In recent games townies have been lynched day one over dumb things (and as inspector and mafia in the two most recent games I feel confident in saying that) so I feel like because I made a mistake in the order of who was stacked, I'm being lynched and everyone is off track.
I feel like I don't need to keep explaining I moved for more open votes, that was something that JR tried to peg me as mafia last game when I was inspector. I would rather have more people putting votes on different people than see the same people vote on the same people and vice versa. Such a mafia move.
If I was so intent on self preservation, I wouldn't have straight out the gate accused you of being suspicious and switched from Zolah to you as soon as the runoff ended. At this point, I'm probably going out tonight or tomorrow. Depends on how hot on someone's trail I got.
LD said "I think we got Mafia that is experienced". That sounds like a dog whistle comment to me, or at least the whistle of some other super furry animal. LD also seemed pretty convinced that Maddog was Mafia, and I don't have that quote in front of me but I'm pretty sure I recall SFA saying that he read town on Maddog (something I admittedly did as well). So to me the whack points to SFA with how I'm reading it right now.
I know I'm going to get votes this round with how Maddog and I both moved off of each other. Assuming Maddog was Mafia, that paints a big 'ol target on my back. I hope at least some of you can see that I just thought it made more sense to get information from three revoters instead of one. I don't really have much more to say on it other than that.
LD said "I think we got Mafia that is experienced". That sounds like a dog whistle comment to me, or at least the whistle of some other super furry animal. LD also seemed pretty convinced that Maddog was Mafia, and I don't have that quote in front of me but I'm pretty sure I recall SFA saying that he read town on Maddog (something I admittedly did as well). So to me the whack points to SFA with how I'm reading it right now.
I know I'm going to get votes this round with how Maddog and I both moved off of each other. Assuming Maddog was Mafia, that paints a big 'ol target on my back. I hope at least some of you can see that I just thought it made more sense to get information from three revoters instead of one. I don't really have much more to say on it other than that.
Jaz > SFA
I feel like your vote for me made more sense than Maddog's. I've seen how town makes moves that mafia can use to their advantage. I would *think* the two of you wouldn't do that together... To me, you don't read town, but I'm not ready to jump on you either.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Sept 5, 2017 21:03:10 GMT -5
Lol at me getting the first vote this round.
Yeah, I said Maddog might be acting too crazy to be mafia earlier last round. I also never moved my vote and clearly took LD's side. I openly pushed for Maddog to be voted off.
I also warned that we were on the wrong path with LD being in danger for so long. One reason is I felt he might be inspector so I tried to cover for him and maybe get myself whacked instead. But mostly it was like I said... it seemed like a typical early LD setup.
Seems like going after who protected Maddog would be wise this round. Potent, Jaz and LLL stick out to me.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Sept 5, 2017 21:05:30 GMT -5
I think Potent and Carini are worth looking at because LD named them specifically. But Jaz is right that his move does look the most concerning, off of Maddog and on to Zolah. But I can't say that it isn't a move I've made as a townie, moving from an initial vote because I use voting partners.
I'm going to go with my initial thoughts from earlier today, but am going to look at Carini's posts closer tonight.
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I think Potent and Carini are worth looking at because LD named them specifically. But Jaz is right that his move does look the most concerning, off of Maddog and on to Zolah. But I can't say that it isn't a move I've made as a townie, moving from an initial vote because I use voting partners.
I'm going to go with my initial thoughts from earlier today, but am going to look at Carini's posts closer tonight.
LLL>>>Jaz.
Based on the follow up it didn't seem like he was very interested in pursuing me. I asked for clarification after this interaction and he didn't give any, like he wasn't interested anymore
I think Potent and Carini are worth looking at because LD named them specifically. But Jaz is right that his move does look the most concerning, off of Maddog and on to Zolah. But I can't say that it isn't a move I've made as a townie, moving from an initial vote because I use voting partners.
I'm going to go with my initial thoughts from earlier today, but am going to look at Carini's posts closer tonight.
LLL>>>Jaz.
Based on the follow up it didn't seem like he was very interested in pursuing me. I asked for clarification after this interaction and he didn't give any, like he wasn't interested anymore
Your name is on someone else, I can't take credit for that one
I couldn't figure out what he was saying there. But I do agree that he seemed more interested in Maddog and Potent. I'm just keeping people on a radar. You are worth being on the radar because the player who Mafia thinks is the Inspector mentioned you by name. That's all. Not saying you, or anyone else is Mafia.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Based on the follow up it didn't seem like he was very interested in pursuing me. I asked for clarification after this interaction and he didn't give any, like he wasn't interested anymore
I couldn't figure out what he was saying there. But I do agree that he seemed more interested in Maddog and Potent. I'm just keeping people on a radar. You are worth being on the radar because the player who Mafia thinks is the Inspector mentioned you by name. That's all. Not saying you, or anyone else is Mafia.
I get it, he did mention me, and I quoted it in my vote post, I just feel that I should be low on the list of suspects due to the remainder of the conversation
Yeah, I said Maddog might be acting too crazy to be mafia earlier last round. I also never moved my vote and clearly took LD's side. I openly pushed for Maddog to be voted off.
I also warned that we were on the wrong path with LD being in danger for so long. One reason is I felt he might be inspector so I tried to cover for him and maybe get myself whacked instead. But mostly it was like I said... it seemed like a typical early LD setup.
Seems like going after who protected Maddog would be wise this round. Potent, Jaz and LLL stick out to me.
All good points. I breezed through the thread and made my vote because my opportunities to actually post are limited these days so I try to post when I can. I'll go back over things and will revote tonight if I don't fall asleep while doing so.
Yeah, I said Maddog might be acting too crazy to be mafia earlier last round. I also never moved my vote and clearly took LD's side. I openly pushed for Maddog to be voted off.
I also warned that we were on the wrong path with LD being in danger for so long. One reason is I felt he might be inspector so I tried to cover for him and maybe get myself whacked instead. But mostly it was like I said... it seemed like a typical early LD setup.
Seems like going after who protected Maddog would be wise this round. Potent, Jaz and LLL stick out to me.
All good points. I breezed through the thread and made my vote because my opportunities to actually post are limited these days so I try to post when I can. I'll go back over things and will revote tonight if I don't fall asleep while doing so.
yeah, I don't fault you for seeing that as something that sticks out. I tend to make a lot of blanket statements that I assume people will take as generalities.
I think the rest of the round proves that.
I also mentioned that I understood your vote in round 3 could be just to get more info. I don't fault you for that. And it certainly seems s risky mafia move given the timing.
I would guess we had one mafia voting to save Maddog and maybe one laying back cause he was under fire moat of the round.
All good points. I breezed through the thread and made my vote because my opportunities to actually post are limited these days so I try to post when I can. I'll go back over things and will revote tonight if I don't fall asleep while doing so.
yeah, I don't fault you for seeing that as something that sticks out. I tend to make a lot of blanket statements that I assume people will take as generalities.
I think the rest of the round proves that.
I also mentioned that I understood your vote in round 3 could be just to get more info. I don't fault you for that. And it certainly seems s risky mafia move given the timing.
I would guess we had one mafia voting to save Maddog and maybe one laying back cause he was under fire moat of the round.
Maybe Potent vs LLL is better?
Who laid back because they were under fire most of the round?
I couldn't figure out what he was saying there. But I do agree that he seemed more interested in Maddog and Potent. I'm just keeping people on a radar. You are worth being on the radar because the player who Mafia thinks is the Inspector mentioned you by name. That's all. Not saying you, or anyone else is Mafia.
I get it, he did mention me, and I quoted it in my vote post, I just feel that I should be low on the list of suspects due to the remainder of the conversation
Agreed that you are lower than a handful of other players, for sure.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
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Bleary-Eyed Bonnawook Globlist Facist Slave Dog
yeah, I don't fault you for seeing that as something that sticks out. I tend to make a lot of blanket statements that I assume people will take as generalities.
I think the rest of the round proves that.
I also mentioned that I understood your vote in round 3 could be just to get more info. I don't fault you for that. And it certainly seems s risky mafia move given the timing.
I would guess we had one mafia voting to save Maddog and maybe one laying back cause he was under fire moat of the round.
Maybe Potent vs LLL is better?
Who laid back because they were under fire most of the round?
I meant laid back to distance from Maddog. Not that that person was under fire themselves. So neither of you two. I'm more interested in you guys because of your pro votes.
All good points. I breezed through the thread and made my vote because my opportunities to actually post are limited these days so I try to post when I can. I'll go back over things and will revote tonight if I don't fall asleep while doing so.
yeah, I don't fault you for seeing that as something that sticks out. I tend to make a lot of blanket statements that I assume people will take as generalities.
I think the rest of the round proves that.
I also mentioned that I understood your vote in round 3 could be just to get more info. I don't fault you for that. And it certainly seems s risky mafia move given the timing.
I would guess we had one mafia voting to save Maddog and maybe one laying back cause he was under fire moat of the round.
Maybe Potent vs LLL is better?
I'm fine being in a run-off. But I think trying to frame it as "saving Maddog" when I had to choose between one at-the-time-unknown player (Maddog), who already had more votes than another unknown player(Zolah) is a bit of an overstatement. Especially when you are directly addressing the guy who has a vote that literally makes it look like he was "saving Maddog"...
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal
Bleary-Eyed Bonnawook Globlist Facist Slave Dog
yeah, I don't fault you for seeing that as something that sticks out. I tend to make a lot of blanket statements that I assume people will take as generalities.
I think the rest of the round proves that.
I also mentioned that I understood your vote in round 3 could be just to get more info. I don't fault you for that. And it certainly seems s risky mafia move given the timing.
I would guess we had one mafia voting to save Maddog and maybe one laying back cause he was under fire moat of the round.
Maybe Potent vs LLL is better?
I'm fine being in a run-off. But I think trying to frame it as "saving Maddog" when I had to choose between one at-the-time-unknown player (Maddog), who already had more votes than another unknown player(Zolah) is a bit of an overstatement. Especially when you are directly addressing the guy who has a vote that literally makes it look like he was "saving Maddog"...
ohh, that's not the only reason. I'm just on my phone and don't feel like dealing with quotes, etc.
-You pushed LD forward in round 2. Said he was the most suspicious to you. Could be you knew he was an easy target as you've played with him for years.
- You've hinted at me being suspicious several times. Where you trying to make people question theor votes and save your mafia buddy?
I'm fine being in a run-off. But I think trying to frame it as "saving Maddog" when I had to choose between one at-the-time-unknown player (Maddog), who already had more votes than another unknown player(Zolah) is a bit of an overstatement. Especially when you are directly addressing the guy who has a vote that literally makes it look like he was "saving Maddog"...
ohh, that's not the only reason. I'm just on my phone and don't feel like dealing with quotes, etc.
-You pushed LD forward in round 2. Said he was the most suspicious to you. Could be you knew he was an easy target as you've played with him for years.
- You've hinted at me being suspicious several times. Where you trying to make people question theor votes and save your mafia buddy?
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Oh wow, after reading the game over in context, it certainly seems like LD was gunning pretty hard for Potent. Between seemingly randomly wanting to throw Potent in early in the Day, to him saying that he thinks there are one, maybe two, Mafia in Potent/LLL/JR...I mean it's pretty condemning. However, knowing Potent, I almost feel like if he was Mafia with Maddog, he'd probably vote for Maddog. He's put the dagger in his fellow Mafia before, and him not doing so doesn't really match his gameplay I don't think. That's more speculative though, and not something I want to hang my hat on by any means.
Right now I'm least suspicious of JR, Zolah, and SFA. Most suspicious of Potent, and a little bit of LLL. Which leaves Pablo, Carini, and Dan. I will say that Pablo's move to give Carini the most power in the ensuing runoff still rubs me wrongly, which is why I counteracted it and moved off of Maddog and onto Zolah. Other than that I don't have much to say about him, other than I was mildly annoyed by him waiting so long to vote. But in the end, he DID vote for Maddog, which probably would not have been the move to make if they were Mafia together. So I should probably lean town on him too. Carini and Dan I got nothing on.
Post by piggy pablo on Sept 6, 2017 5:34:12 GMT -5
I think the whack points to Potent first and foremost. LD's move was noteworthy, and focused on Potent. Seems a little aggressive, but an Inspector LD with Potent's name would have had somewhat of a justification and may have gone for it. Mafia would have to consider that.
I also think that Jaz is a really interesting candidate.
Maddog was pretty clearly Mafia. I generally will be the last one to think something for sure, but the probability of it based on the shenanigans of Day 1 is too high to not essentially operate under that assumption. That makes Jaz look pretty shady. I'm not saying that if Maddog was Mafia, Jaz is. I am saying in the light of Maddog being Mafia, the movement around Jaz looks super shady.
I had a very strong Mafia vibe from Maddog from Day 1. I voted for Jaz on Day 2 because I had already telegraphed that I would probably vote for Zolah, and I was confident that Jaz would fall out of a runoff with Maddog, LD and himself. Maddog and LD had already drawn a lot of attention. I thought I could use my vote on Maddog in a higher-leverage round if I needed to, or switch off of Jaz onto him reasonably. I also didn't have a great reason to vote for Zolah at that time.
Both Potent and Jaz are very good candidates for the runoff.
Before re-reading tonight, my inclination was to put a new name out there and build the runoff, rather than letting others shape the runoff, like I did in Day 1. That's what I'm going to do.
When LD merely mentioned the possibility of tossing Potent in, Danbob went pretty hard defending Potent and going after LD. He and I had a whole exchange about it. Here is that back-and-forth, where my point was that Potent's shaping of the runoff had made him interesting to me, and that I understood LD wanting to toss him in, because it was early and there were only so many good candidates for that. It's spoiler tagged for space on the page. I'm sure you've read it. I've only left a note indicating when voting ended. There is no other commentary in the quoted text:
What the heck? Why are we talking about putting Potent in? I didn't find his vote switch that suspicious. I find the quiet players who came out just to try and put him in the runoff are more suspicious tbh.
There's nothing about Jaz's quietness that is suspicious to me or warrants his inclusion in the runoff. He always starts games quiet. I think if he stays in, he's not going to get much of a look, so I see it as somewhat of a waste.
I'll repeat that putting Potent in the runoff is not the same as lynching him. Whether what he did is suspicious, I can't really say, but it is noteworthy, and so far this game very few people have done much that is noteworthy. Potent, Maddog, and LD are probably the most noteworthy players so far. At least two of them will most likely be in this runoff. It's fine with me to stay at two or move to three.
I think it's odd that you're trying to punish Potent for trying to get people talking (and hey it worked). By your logic you're saying that it is best for town to not do anything besides vote in round one? Literally all mafia has to do is sit back and not to anything "noteworthy".
When someone alters the make-up of the runoff when Town is voting randomly and Mafia is voting purposefully, I think that, yes, there is reason to suspect that person might be Mafia. Is that really so hard to understand?
And if we are going to put Potent in, I think it's good that LD didn't move first and take Zolah out. That would be suspicious to me. That's why if we put Potent in I would like to see Zolah stay in and Jaz to come out.
So are you saying you think that potent is suspicious? What I don't understand is you (and others) are trying to push Potent into the runoff for trying to get the game moving. Also it sounds like you're saying town has absolutely no reason to switch votes which is absolutely false. In fact, last game only townies moved their vote in round 1 (which made us mafia very happy).
(((Danbob is really concerned about whether I am suspicious of Potent mere seconds after the round ends and Potent is safe. At that point Maddog, LD, Zolah and Jaz are tied at two votes apiece)))
I am fine with us leaving Potent out. If it were so important to me, I could have acted more aggressively and proactively to get him in. Instead, I sat back and waited because there were other concerns. I wanted Maddog, LD and Zolah to stay in, to a degree that was only marginally less-or-greater than how much I wanted Potent in. Potent's switch had no effect on dialogue. He didn't ask anybody for thoughts, he just went ahead and altered the composition of the runoff. If anyone should get credit for moving the game along by fostering dialogue, it should be LD.
I think you're being somewhat disingenuous about what exactly happened last game, but regardless, it is one game and should not be the guiding light for our actions in this game.
I feel like I have explained my thoughts on the matter thoroughly and coherently, and also the whole conversation has been much ado about nothing, so let's focus on the choices we have at hand.
If you were me, Danbob, who would you vote for?
Fair enough. Although I would dispute that I'm being disingenuous - just go back and look for yourself.
But to your question. I don't really care who you vote for. If it were me I'd maybe vote for LD because he also wanted to push Potent in. Although I really don't have a reason to suspect any one person in this runoff over another.
I'm going to digress to last game for just one more minute. I apologize, because I know this discussion has gone on too long and Potent is not even in the runoff. I just want to give my reasoning for why I disagree with your logic.
What you said about last game is technically true, but the implication is false and the correct conclusion contrary to what you're advocating, hence the label I gave it.
Yes, only Townies made moves from their initial vote, but a Mafia member made an unconventional vote, which is a larger category that a vote change fits into and is really the thing that makes a player noteworthy early in the game.
Also, you say that the vote changes Townies made led to Mafia's happiness. This makes sense in the context of that game, but I don't follow that being an argument for Townies making vote changes in this game, which you are advocating or at least excusing. In fact, the Townie vote changes last game led directly to a Mafia falling out of the runoff and a Townie being lynched. This is, in fact, an argument against Town making vote changes. Townies do not have the information that Mafia members have and in fact have next to no information at all early in the game, as I stated before and as is obvious to everyone. For Townies to make moves is a shot in the dark. For a Mafia member, it would be calculated.
I figured you would say LD. He's not my first choice, but he is a person of interest on some level. I want to see what LLL and SFA have to say or whom they vote for before I make a vote, though.
Fair points. I wasn't trying to say that last game is a 1:1 comparison at all. The point I was trying to make is that town has legitimate reasons to make a vote switch in round 1. To me, Potents switch to get people talking is a town move - and since we are having this conversation it's safe to say it worked.
Ok so, Potent is essentially a must-have in runoffs on Day 2 and Danbob thought that there was nothing weird about him and defended him pretty strongly. He also went pretty hard after a confirmed Townie, the player who was eventually whacked on Night 1.
After that half-page of dialogue between myself and Danbob about LD, Danbob later accuses me of being quieter than usual in the middle of the Night and suggests putting me in a run-off Day 2:
I think that Pablo needs to be looked at in day 2 as well. He's been more quiet then he usually is.
I can see why I might deserve some scrutiny. I don't have a problem with being in the runoff. I think I'll hold up fairly well to a closer look, even if I have been a little less active.
I think that's a weird thing for Danbob to say during Night. Most people don't talk or use coded language. He just says I specifically have been quieter than usual, therefore I should be in the run-off. Someone who knew they weren't getting whacked might say that, but why would Town who legitimately believe they're calling Mafia out during Night? Unless the plan was getting yourself whacked to out the Mafia or something, that seems risky.
By the way, Danbob is giving me way too much grief for curbing my Mafia spamming addiction. Sure, I'm not first in posts this game, but I'm still fourth behind Zolah, who is basically the ref, Maddog, who was almost certainly Mafia trying to talk his way out of a lynching, and SFA. I was very active in supporting LD, who is confirmed Town. (We can talk about scenario where he's not Town, but they don't make a ton of sense to me). And even aside from my post count, I have been pretty influential in this game, for better or worse. I am in no way hiding. I've been using my votes in a way to try to maximize my personal information and leverage and I did it to kill someone we all have a pretty good idea was Mafia. If Maddog was Mafia, I don't know why I would vote the way I did.
So anyway, I'm voting for Danbob. I'm just not buying what he is selling. Maybe that's myopic because he and I have gotten into it already, but I disagree with so much of his play in this game so far.
I think the whack points to Potent first and foremost. LD's move was noteworthy, and focused on Potent. Seems a little aggressive, but an Inspector LD with Potent's name would have had somewhat of a justification and may have gone for it. Mafia would have to consider that.
I also think that Jaz is a really interesting candidate.
Maddog was pretty clearly Mafia. I generally will be the last one to think something for sure, but the probability of it based on the shenanigans of Day 1 is too high to not essentially operate under that assumption. That makes Jaz look pretty shady. I'm not saying that if Maddog was Mafia, Jaz is. I am saying in the light of Maddog being Mafia, the movement around Jaz looks super shady.
I had a very strong Mafia vibe from Maddog from Day 1. I voted for Jaz on Day 2 because I had already telegraphed that I would probably vote for Zolah, and I was confident that Jaz would fall out of a runoff with Maddog, LD and himself. Maddog and LD had already drawn a lot of attention. I thought I could use my vote on Maddog in a higher-leverage round if I needed to, or switch off of Jaz onto him reasonably. I also didn't have a great reason to vote for Zolah at that time.
Both Potent and Jaz are very good candidates for the runoff.
Before re-reading tonight, my inclination was to put a new name out there and build the runoff, rather than letting others shape the runoff, like I did in Day 1. That's what I'm going to do.
When LD merely mentioned the possibility of tossing Potent in, Danbob went pretty hard defending Potent and going after LD. He and I had a whole exchange about it. Here is that back-and-forth, where my point was that Potent's shaping of the runoff had made him interesting to me, and that I understood LD wanting to toss him in, because it was early and there were only so many good candidates for that. It's spoiler tagged for space on the page. I'm sure you've read it. I've only left a note indicating when voting ended. There is no other commentary in the quoted text:
What the heck? Why are we talking about putting Potent in? I didn't find his vote switch that suspicious. I find the quiet players who came out just to try and put him in the runoff are more suspicious tbh.
I think it's odd that you're trying to punish Potent for trying to get people talking (and hey it worked). By your logic you're saying that it is best for town to not do anything besides vote in round one? Literally all mafia has to do is sit back and not to anything "noteworthy".
So are you saying you think that potent is suspicious? What I don't understand is you (and others) are trying to push Potent into the runoff for trying to get the game moving. Also it sounds like you're saying town has absolutely no reason to switch votes which is absolutely false. In fact, last game only townies moved their vote in round 1 (which made us mafia very happy).
(((Danbob is really concerned about whether I am suspicious of Potent mere seconds after the round ends and Potent is safe. At that point Maddog, LD, Zolah and Jaz are tied at two votes apiece)))
Fair enough. Although I would dispute that I'm being disingenuous - just go back and look for yourself.
But to your question. I don't really care who you vote for. If it were me I'd maybe vote for LD because he also wanted to push Potent in. Although I really don't have a reason to suspect any one person in this runoff over another.
Fair points. I wasn't trying to say that last game is a 1:1 comparison at all. The point I was trying to make is that town has legitimate reasons to make a vote switch in round 1. To me, Potents switch to get people talking is a town move - and since we are having this conversation it's safe to say it worked.
Ok so, Potent is essentially a must-have in runoffs on Day 2 and Danbob thought that there was nothing weird about him and defended him pretty strongly. He also went pretty hard after a confirmed Townie, the player who was eventually whacked on Night 1.
After that half-page of dialogue between myself and Danbob about LD, Danbob later accuses me of being quieter than usual in the middle of the Night and suggests putting me in a run-off Day 2:
I can see why I might deserve some scrutiny. I don't have a problem with being in the runoff. I think I'll hold up fairly well to a closer look, even if I have been a little less active.
I think that's a weird thing for Danbob to say during Night. Most people don't talk or use coded language. He just says I specifically have been quieter than usual, therefore I should be in the run-off. Someone who knew they weren't getting whacked might say that, but why would Town who legitimately believe they're calling Mafia out during Night? Unless the plan was getting yourself whacked to out the Mafia or something, that seems risky.
By the way, Danbob is giving me way too much grief for curbing my Mafia spamming addiction. Sure, I'm not first in posts this game, but I'm still fourth behind Zolah, who is basically the ref, Maddog, who was almost certainly Mafia trying to talk his way out of a lynching, and SFA. I was very active in supporting LD, who is confirmed Town. (We can talk about scenario where he's not Town, but they don't make a ton of sense to me). And even aside from my post count, I have been pretty influential in this game, for better or worse. I am in no way hiding. I've been using my votes in a way to try to maximize my personal information and leverage and I did it to kill someone we all have a pretty good idea was Mafia. If Maddog was Mafia, I don't know why I would vote the way I did.
So anyway, I'm voting for Danbob. I'm just not buying what he is selling. Maybe that's myopic because he and I have gotten into it already, but I disagree with so much of his play in this game so far.
Pablo > Danbob
Pablo, I agree with you. (Which also makes me question you, LOL). There were a couple posts by Dan that made me go hmm...
This one seemed like a feeler to keep LD in the runoff.
Not enough to change my vote but I do find LDs behavior a little off. It seems like he's trying to do everything possible just to slip out of the runoff.
And this one just seemed odd. LD was the whack and before the whack came out he was questioning why I wouldn't give LD a town read. As a blind townie on day 1, it's hard to give any solid reads.
To me, everyone is guilty. JR reads most town to me though, because I am town and he had the choice of me, or mafia Maddog. Maddog is either mafia or really salty. I agree with Dan that SFA would be next on my list of likely town based on their heated ongoing argument. That didn't seem fake. I wouldn't clear LD though.
Even after saying this, I'm not glued to anything. I played into Potent's scheme last game and know anything can be possible.
Not clearing LD by any means but I'm curious to why you're hesitant to give him a town lead. Is there anything you have against him?
I'd like to dedicate enough time to read into each player, but I haven't had it yet. Without digging too far in, I think LD was a strange whack. I mentioned I doubt he's the inspector, so mafia must have seen something I didn't. I'm going to find time to dig into this today, but for now, the two players that have raised yellow flags to me the most are Danbob and Pablo. Not a throw away vote, but I may change it if I can manage to get my head around the game a little better.
I'm about to go run but I had a thought... Why did Maddog throw a little "aww man, so much for my reveal" tantrum? If he was town, he hurt the town. If he was mafia, I would think it would be better to go out quietly and let town stumble in every direction... I feel like it was on purpose... possibly for some mega distancing.
I think the whack points to Potent first and foremost. LD's move was noteworthy, and focused on Potent. Seems a little aggressive, but an Inspector LD with Potent's name would have had somewhat of a justification and may have gone for it. Mafia would have to consider that.
I also think that Jaz is a really interesting candidate.
Maddog was pretty clearly Mafia. I generally will be the last one to think something for sure, but the probability of it based on the shenanigans of Day 1 is too high to not essentially operate under that assumption. That makes Jaz look pretty shady. I'm not saying that if Maddog was Mafia, Jaz is. I am saying in the light of Maddog being Mafia, the movement around Jaz looks super shady.
I had a very strong Mafia vibe from Maddog from Day 1. I voted for Jaz on Day 2 because I had already telegraphed that I would probably vote for Zolah, and I was confident that Jaz would fall out of a runoff with Maddog, LD and himself. Maddog and LD had already drawn a lot of attention. I thought I could use my vote on Maddog in a higher-leverage round if I needed to, or switch off of Jaz onto him reasonably. I also didn't have a great reason to vote for Zolah at that time.
Both Potent and Jaz are very good candidates for the runoff.
Before re-reading tonight, my inclination was to put a new name out there and build the runoff, rather than letting others shape the runoff, like I did in Day 1. That's what I'm going to do.
When LD merely mentioned the possibility of tossing Potent in, Danbob went pretty hard defending Potent and going after LD. He and I had a whole exchange about it. Here is that back-and-forth, where my point was that Potent's shaping of the runoff had made him interesting to me, and that I understood LD wanting to toss him in, because it was early and there were only so many good candidates for that. It's spoiler tagged for space on the page. I'm sure you've read it. I've only left a note indicating when voting ended. There is no other commentary in the quoted text:
What the heck? Why are we talking about putting Potent in? I didn't find his vote switch that suspicious. I find the quiet players who came out just to try and put him in the runoff are more suspicious tbh.
I think it's odd that you're trying to punish Potent for trying to get people talking (and hey it worked). By your logic you're saying that it is best for town to not do anything besides vote in round one? Literally all mafia has to do is sit back and not to anything "noteworthy".
So are you saying you think that potent is suspicious? What I don't understand is you (and others) are trying to push Potent into the runoff for trying to get the game moving. Also it sounds like you're saying town has absolutely no reason to switch votes which is absolutely false. In fact, last game only townies moved their vote in round 1 (which made us mafia very happy).
(((Danbob is really concerned about whether I am suspicious of Potent mere seconds after the round ends and Potent is safe. At that point Maddog, LD, Zolah and Jaz are tied at two votes apiece)))
Fair enough. Although I would dispute that I'm being disingenuous - just go back and look for yourself.
But to your question. I don't really care who you vote for. If it were me I'd maybe vote for LD because he also wanted to push Potent in. Although I really don't have a reason to suspect any one person in this runoff over another.
Fair points. I wasn't trying to say that last game is a 1:1 comparison at all. The point I was trying to make is that town has legitimate reasons to make a vote switch in round 1. To me, Potents switch to get people talking is a town move - and since we are having this conversation it's safe to say it worked.
Ok so, Potent is essentially a must-have in runoffs on Day 2 and Danbob thought that there was nothing weird about him and defended him pretty strongly. He also went pretty hard after a confirmed Townie, the player who was eventually whacked on Night 1.
After that half-page of dialogue between myself and Danbob about LD, Danbob later accuses me of being quieter than usual in the middle of the Night and suggests putting me in a run-off Day 2:
I can see why I might deserve some scrutiny. I don't have a problem with being in the runoff. I think I'll hold up fairly well to a closer look, even if I have been a little less active.
I think that's a weird thing for Danbob to say during Night. Most people don't talk or use coded language. He just says I specifically have been quieter than usual, therefore I should be in the run-off. Someone who knew they weren't getting whacked might say that, but why would Town who legitimately believe they're calling Mafia out during Night? Unless the plan was getting yourself whacked to out the Mafia or something, that seems risky.
By the way, Danbob is giving me way too much grief for curbing my Mafia spamming addiction. Sure, I'm not first in posts this game, but I'm still fourth behind Zolah, who is basically the ref, Maddog, who was almost certainly Mafia trying to talk his way out of a lynching, and SFA. I was very active in supporting LD, who is confirmed Town. (We can talk about scenario where he's not Town, but they don't make a ton of sense to me). And even aside from my post count, I have been pretty influential in this game, for better or worse. I am in no way hiding. I've been using my votes in a way to try to maximize my personal information and leverage and I did it to kill someone we all have a pretty good idea was Mafia. If Maddog was Mafia, I don't know why I would vote the way I did.
So anyway, I'm voting for Danbob. I'm just not buying what he is selling. Maybe that's myopic because he and I have gotten into it already, but I disagree with so much of his play in this game so far.
Pablo > Danbob
I think your reading into things to much here. I thought it was extremely suspicious that everyone wanted Potent into the runoff. Yourself and LD seemed to be the main culprits. Especially since I viewed Potents move as a pro town move. Even if potent does end up being mafia I still think shaking things up when it's quiet is a pro town move. Disagree with me if you want but I stand by what I said.
Also I'm not sure how saying I thought you were quiet overnight means I'm mafia lol.
Also I'm not sure how I'm giving Pablo too much grief for being less active by one post during the night lol. If you didn't want people to comment on it than don't be less active.
I'm about to go run but I had a thought... Why did Maddog throw a little "aww man, so much for my reveal" tantrum? If he was town, he hurt the town. If he was mafia, I would think it would be better to go out quietly and let town stumble in every direction... I feel like it was on purpose... possibly for some mega distancing.
Maddog did what he did as mafia, to benefit mafia. I just am not buying into that Maddog gave himself up for a half a percent chance that someone will believe he was the inspector. Nope. There's more to it.
JR reads most town to me though, because I am town and he had the choice of me, or mafia Maddog. Maddog is either mafia or really salty. I agree with Dan that SFA would be next on my list of likely town based on their heated ongoing argument. That didn't seem fake. I wouldn't clear LD though. 