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Also looking back at how we ended up with 2 instead of 4, I kind of wish LLL would have pushed someone else to 2 votes instead of 3 stacking Stevo. That made it necessary that we get two separate people to move to get two more into the run off, and it seemed like maybe everyone was playing chicken with coming off their votes.
There wasn't even a runoff when I checked in. You guys let ZIg set at 3 votes for 7 hours. And there were wonky ass votes going on. I voted to make sure that we at least had a run-off. Went to bed, went to work where I had meetings all day. More wonky ass voting. Check back in and not enough people moved around to make sure we had at least a 3 person run-off instead of just the two?
ok but "mak[ing] sure we at least had a run-off", to me, means that you assumed from ~630 pm to noon the next day no one would move their vote. i just think the better town move is to try to spread out, and stacking someone else to two would have definitely helped.
There wasn't even a runoff when I checked in. You guys let ZIg set at 3 votes for 7 hours. And there were wonky ass votes going on. I voted to make sure that we at least had a run-off. Went to bed, went to work where I had meetings all day. More wonky ass voting. Check back in and not enough people moved around to make sure we had at least a 3 person run-off instead of just the two?
ok but "mak[ing] sure we at least had a run-off", to me, means that you assumed from ~630 pm to noon the next day no one would move their vote. i just think the better town move is to try to spread out, and stacking someone else to two would have definitely helped.
i still think that the bulk of the blame for a 2 way this early is falling on jaz, taint, and thor (i mean clearly its stevo's fault, but thats a different story). whatever reason anyone says for why they didn't doesn't excuse it, we should all know by now that people say they're busy when they're not. i did mention earlier that i do think it could just be a game of chicken where no one want's to "save" or "kill" out of self preservation, but one of you should have made that move.
Post by Tainted Opossum on Nov 15, 2017 15:08:53 GMT -5
I didn't feel like anything about my vote change would lead to all of that, didn't get a chance to check in til it had narrowed. Wonky voting is an understatement.
ok but "mak[ing] sure we at least had a run-off", to me, means that you assumed from ~630 pm to noon the next day no one would move their vote. i just think the better town move is to try to spread out, and stacking someone else to two would have definitely helped.
i still think that the bulk of the blame for a 2 way this early is falling on jaz, taint, and thor (i mean clearly its stevo's fault, but thats a different story). whatever reason anyone says for why they didn't doesn't excuse it, we should all know by now that people say they're busy when they're not. i did mention earlier that i do think it could just be a game of chicken where no one want's to "save" or "kill" out of self preservation, but one of you should have made that move.
I completely agree that players overall have become far more leery of changing votes. And I wonder if it is because there are some players who get balls to wall fixated on normal townie vote switches rather than watching for the subtle changes that red flag a person as being possible Mafia. I don't know. Could also be that Mafia just let us fuck ourselves 6 ways from Sunday, and they were the ones not wanting to switch, considering how paranoid being Mafia makes
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We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
ok but "mak[ing] sure we at least had a run-off", to me, means that you assumed from ~630 pm to noon the next day no one would move their vote. i just think the better town move is to try to spread out, and stacking someone else to two would have definitely helped.
i still think that the bulk of the blame for a 2 way this early is falling on jaz, taint, and thor (i mean clearly its stevo's fault, but thats a different story). whatever reason anyone says for why they didn't doesn't excuse it, we should all know by now that people say they're busy when they're not. i did mention earlier that i do think it could just be a game of chicken where no one want's to "save" or "kill" out of self preservation, but one of you should have made that move.
Is this the point at which you think we should have moved? Or before then? Just trying to make sure I know what exactly you're talking about before I reply.
Noting that no one voted at any point for Carini, Thor, and Tainted in D1R1
Also of note, Carini and Thor also both only voted once (initial votes) the entire round. LLL also voted only once the entire round, but she technically received a vote from Potent at the end of D1R1 so doesn’t 100% fit with the other two.
My random first vote happened to fall on the guy that deserved a vote for the later actions. There was no need whatsoever for me to change
^yes at that point I think most would agree on of the Fore voters should have moved
Gotcha. I agree with you that one of us moving would have been ideal. Pretty much anything to expand the runoff would have been good though, so I think it would have also been good for Fore/ZIG/yourself/Potent to move to ZIG/Steve. But like Potent said, then we run into issues with revoters and not getting as much info, and two people would have needed to move...so actually now that I'm thinking it through, I can see why you find it suspicious. It would have been the most beneficial move.
Question for you though: when you moved off of ZIG, why did you throw away your vote instead of placing it on me, Fozzie, or LLL? Granted we still would have been in the position of needing one of the Fore voters to move, but then we'd have one more person at two votes to go forward into the runoff (if one of me/Thor/Tainted had indeed moved).
Because I'm looking at it this way: with your vote, one of us Fore voters would have needed to move, which would have given us a three-way of ZIG/Steve/Fore. Which is what I believe you're saying you wanted, yes? But if you had stayed, with ZIG and Fore at three votes, the onus would have been on ZIG/Fore/Potent to move onto Steve, which ZIG and Fore both had an incentive to do since it would lessen their chances of being voted off. If one of them moved, we'd have had the same exact three-way - ZIG/Steve/Fore. So why not just stay on ZIG, if that three-way was what you wanted? It's easy to make connections where there are none in this game, but in the end your move off of ZIG is what allowed him to leave the runoff. It's hard to ignore that when you could have stayed on him and still gotten the same three-way runoff that you appear to be saying you wanted.
I wanted a four way. I voted for myself as a throwaway. If I moved onto you any move you made comes off as self pres. Fozzie is either playing us really well or town based on his move so I didnt. I could have moved to LLL but it wouldn't have mattered if neither of the Fore voters moved if my goal was to get to a four way. Moving to myself didn't change that a fore voter needed to move, and it prevented anyone from saying I put them in the runoff later
^^^Jaz, I think that Maddog pulling his vote off of me and onto himself was a clear indication that he wanted a 4-way and not a 3-way because his move left it to only 1 remaining switch to get to the 4-way even if that meant he had to be one of those people in the runoff.
So I think it raises some eyebrows when we were one switch away from getting a normal runoff, yet the 3 individuals that could have made that happen all came in after the fact with either excuses or semi-outrage.
After Stevorino was made to walk the plank the rest of the crew celebrated by throwing a party thinking they had solved all their problems. Rum flowed like waterfalls, dice were thrown like cannonballs, and the crew was as happy as could be. Soon all the crew had passed out from drunkenness... or so they thought. At a random point in the night the crew heard the planks of the ship crack as someone was walking on deck. Then they heard a slash! Everyone rushed up to the deck to see whack could have caused this noise. They found Fozzie laying facedown in the ocean. Immediately the crew knew they needed another round of voting to rid the ship of the evil pirate mafia.
FYI before everyone gets their initial day 1 votes in there usually isn't much happening as the discussion tends to pick up (if it does) when all votes are in and the runoff starts getting shaped.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Nov 15, 2017 20:56:25 GMT -5
Overtly it points to ZIG, Steve or/and Fore. And with him being a new player, I could see Mafia thinking that he isn't savvy enough to hide well, so I would usually say "nah, Inspector wouldn't be THAT obvious, and Mafia knows this", but since he is new, I'm not going to get locked into that line of thinking.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Overtly it points to ZIG, Steve or/and Fore. And with him being a new player, I could see Mafia thinking that he isn't savvy enough to hide well, so I would usually say "nah, Inspector wouldn't be THAT obvious, and Mafia knows this", but since he is new, I'm not going to get locked into that line of thinking.
I agree that those three are who it points to; they're the only ones he mentions in his posts. Only other thing I could think of is that he didn't want to vote along with the Steve voters, so that could have tipped them towards whacking him also. The last of the usual scenarios is that mafia is going for a complete misdirection, but I feel like that's not likely because they'd probably whack a vet instead of a new player. So it's probably something figure Fozzie said or did.
Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Nov 15, 2017 23:54:08 GMT -5
Fine. I'll go first.
Would be best to include Fore and Zig along with at least one other voter Fozzie was voting against (Carini, Potent, me or Maddog). And maybe add one from the Fore voters.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Any reason? I tend to agree with LLL that we are best served focusing on one group of voters. I'm going to vote for one of the Steve voters that she mentioned. I wasn't sure which, but this vote with no explanation, and contrary to what I was thinking, is reason enough for me to vote Maddog to begin this round.
Well, with Fozzie being the whack, we now know that the superstack that occurred on day 1 was initiated by a townie. The rest of Day 1 seemed to be a struggle to get back to a 4-way, which never happened so it makes me feel like Mafia was fine with the makeup of the smaller potential runoffs.
Initially, this makes me the think of Thor, Jaz, and Tainted as they were the 3 that had the last chance to create a 4-way, but I think I need to dig through all the swapping because those 3 weren’t the only ones that had opportunities to get us to a 4-way.
Steve superstacked on him, now he's dead. Fozzie initially bumped ZIG up to three, and then in the final round voted for Fore instead of Steve, now Fozzie's dead. Could be that Fozzie had ZIG's name, and then assumed that Steve wasn't Mafia because in that scenario Steve prob wouldn't have bumped ZIG up to four. And though I accept Maddog's reasoning for moving off of ZIG, it's still a little suspect to me. I'm not sold on ZIG being Mafia this early in the game, but there's enough there to warrant a stack, IMO.
