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Aside from the drop in quality, I’m sure the negative press didn’t help FYF’s chances. That festival was packed last year.
You've brought this up a couple of times. Do you actually believe there's a significant amount of people that would have bought tickets to FYF this year if the ex-owner didn't have sexual misconduct allegations? Maybe I'm being cynical but I'd be surprised if you could find a dozen people that cared enough to make that a deciding factor.
Aside from the drop in quality, I’m sure the negative press didn’t help FYF’s chances. That festival was packed last year.
You've brought this up a couple of times. Do you actually believe there's a significant amount of people that would have bought tickets to FYF this year if the ex-owner didn't have sexual misconduct allegations? Maybe I'm being cynical but I'd be surprised if you could find a dozen people that cared enough to make that a deciding factor.
Do I think some were detoured based on principal alone? Absolutely. Was that the deciding factor? Probably not. I’m sure if they had ATCQ, Missy, and NIN again things would be a little bit more on the up, but the scandal and the change to two day definitely took away some of their steam.
The most obvious all encompassing answer is fest fatigue and homogenization though.
All I could think about (and probably kept repeating out loud to those around me) was how under attended every set felt. Other than Tom Yorke and Jamie XX I never felt crowded, or was any more than a stones throw away from the stage. In my non expert opinion, it certainly seemed like they were losing a ton of money on this thing. Never waited in line for anything other than a goddamn veggie burger.
I could be off but 2017 seemed quite a bit more crowded than 2016.
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You've brought this up a couple of times. Do you actually believe there's a significant amount of people that would have bought tickets to FYF this year if the ex-owner didn't have sexual misconduct allegations? Maybe I'm being cynical but I'd be surprised if you could find a dozen people that cared enough to make that a deciding factor.
Do I think some were detoured based on principal alone? Absolutely. Was that the deciding factor? Probably not. I’m sure if they had ATCQ, Missy, and NIN again things would be a little bit more on the up, but the scandal and the change to two day definitely took away some of their steam.
The most obvious all encompassing answer is fest fatigue and homogenization though.
I think the allegations had some affect with fans not wanting to go, but presumably had a much larger effect behind the scenes with booking and sponsors. There were probably a lot of artists and sponsors wary of working with FYF at a key time, and GV had to bringing in a new talent buyer at the last minute who probably had to overpay for some artists that probably weren’t their first choice in order get a lineup out.
I felt the fest had enough attractions that people were spread out everywhere rather constantly compiled at a handful of stages. Last year 20k was the reported attendance. At the end of the day, if they lost money, that's it. Can they provide a 4th line up that will pull volume up maybe another 5-10k into a profitable zone?
All I could think about (and probably kept repeating out loud to those around me) was how under attended every set felt. Other than Tom Yorke and Jamie XX I never felt crowded, or was any more than a stones throw away from the stage. In my non expert opinion, it certainly seemed like they were losing a ton of money on this thing. Never waited in line for anything other than a goddamn veggie burger.
I could be off but 2017 seemed quite a bit more crowded than 2016.
I didn't go in 2016, but I heard that from a number of people. That could mean they just loss less money than 2016 though. I know they want to make money, but isn't this thing a nonprofit any way?
2017 was way more packed than 2016. There's no question about it. The most packed I saw 2016 was trying to get around the building back to the yellow stage while Odesza was on the Red Stage. NiN was packed this year, and Travis Scott was certainly the year before. RTJ was pretty full all while Aphex Twin was going on. I'm sure Tyler was also packed during Nails, and certainly Solange was crowded when she came on. Then you had a really good crowd for St. Vincent but what looked a little more packed at Justice.
End of the day, their budget was $6,000,000 for 2017. If they were a little in the red, that's not too bad considering how they were able to stretch the dollars. They also had a pretty good amount of sponsors/advertisers. I have zero idea how much a corporate sponsorship costs, but you had Heineken, Deep Eddys, JBL, Toyota, Dropbox, Aeromexico, Beatbox, TuneIn, Everfest, Visit Houston, Fireball Whiskey, Johnny Walker and Don Julio and then media sponsors of at least Spin, Vibe, MTV, Vice and Billboard. If you sold 20,000 tickets at say an average of 175, that's $3.75MM. So the remainder would come from sponsorships, investors, merch, alcohol sales and certainly philanthropic grants/donors. I don't think the $2.25MM would be that hard to make up. If their team of 9 or 10 people took salaries, then good for them even if they ended a little in the red. But I wouldn't bet against it having been a break even.
OTOH, Free Press is some kind of way tied in with owner/curator Omar Afra. I don't remember exactly what the tie in is (besides the interview they did with him last year), but they do cheerlead for the festival. So I'd expect them to at least emphasize whatever they believe is a successful path for the future of Day for Night.
They need to get this fucking rescheduled TX BBQ Festival out of the way and get us some gd news.
2017 was way more packed than 2016. There's no question about it. The most packed I saw 2016 was trying to get around the building back to the yellow stage while Odesza was on the Red Stage. NiN was packed this year, and Travis Scott was certainly the year before. RTJ was pretty full all while Aphex Twin was going on. I'm sure Tyler was also packed during Nails, and certainly Solange was crowded when she came on. Then you had a really good crowd for St. Vincent but what looked a little more packed at Justice.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but Nine Inch Nails was nowhere near packed, neither was Justice. This is kind of my point, I've heard a ton of people say that. Me and a few boardies got close and showed up right during/ right after both acts first songs. They had strong acts against them and it rained for nin, but the crowds were definitely not huge by any means. Solange was probably the biggest crowd I saw all weekend I think she was against Godspeed or The Jesus Lizard though.
2017 was way more packed than 2016. There's no question about it. The most packed I saw 2016 was trying to get around the building back to the yellow stage while Odesza was on the Red Stage. NiN was packed this year, and Travis Scott was certainly the year before. RTJ was pretty full all while Aphex Twin was going on. I'm sure Tyler was also packed during Nails, and certainly Solange was crowded when she came on. Then you had a really good crowd for St. Vincent but what looked a little more packed at Justice.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but Nine Inch Nails was nowhere near packed, neither was Justice. This is kind of my point, I've heard a ton of people say that. Me and a few boardies got close and showed up right during/ right after both acts first songs. They had strong acts against them and it rained for nin, but the crowds were definitely not huge by any means. Solange was probably the biggest crowd I saw all weekend I think she was against Godspeed or The Jesus Lizard though.
I was against the fence on the right side (facing the stage), and we were close to the front too. But I had to cross the expanse of the crowd to get to the bathrooms, and that was a mf. It looked packed if it wasn't. It was raining, and it was kind of crowded inside when I ducked off. I was only at Justice for a few minutes on the way to St. V, and I came out the building and passed by to the left of the crowd. But it looked like it stretched through to the back. It was never unbearable by any means, but I figured there were a good 7-8k people each at both Nails and Justice. I can't find a lot of images and didn't try to find any videos from the back, but this is from near the front of the crowd, and it went back at least triple this IMHO.
Decent size. You do realize that picture is not even to the soundboard though, right? Not trying to argue about crowd size. Smaller city fests I've attended that are comparable to D4N have just had much larger crowds, and Launchpad is saying he heard they take losses every year. I at the very least just want one more year in this place though.
Yeah. It's a pieces part of the crowd. I wasn't arguing the size either. I just felt like it was more packed than you did until it was raining more heavily. Staring at that photo, I was all the way to the right (off the screen), standing against the fence and using the vinyl banner to shield me from the rain that was blowing in from that way. I guessed that part of the crowd to be around 7-8k. I don't know if they were taking losses or not. All I knew was that they had a $6MM budget. I don't think they ever said whether or not they lost money. You can operate at a loss and still make money depending on distributions, salaries or whatever. Often it's preferable due to tax issues and such.
I think they're going to give us another year. What would doom it for me would be for them to eliminate the festival in favor of an around town approach. That's great for those who live in Houston, but it would be more of a pain in the ass for everyone else, since there's not really a concentrated district for that. Also, Omar said last year that they're looking to turn it into a 5 day event, so making or losing money at the onset may be irrelevant as they grow their festival and brand. Having been named Festival of the Year by CoS last year, and all the great press the Aphex Twin show brought for 2016 hopefully means that people outside of the music industry and also outside of the fringes are taking notice.
I told Rothric this last spring, but they earned my trust. I would have bought 5 blind presales already if they would have released any. And the other 4 of those people I buy for are automatically in as well. Plus we have 3-4 additional friends who stay with us who will also be going back. I'm definitely ready for some news.
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Really wish this fest wasn’t in December when it’s super hard to get time off work. By far my favorite fest I’ve been to.
It being in December is my favorite part. I love wearing layers to a festival rather than sweat my balls off. I can more easily get time off though so I get it.
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