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Dan does still give me some pause though. After the Tainted whack, I voted for him because Tainted pushed him up to 3 on D1. It felt like Dan kept brushing that off and saying he didn't understand.
jaz seemed pretty intent on discrediting viking, could be distancing, but a good % of his posts were doing that. vikings vote for/off him also fits that, and I could see them being together. because despite all that he voted for zolah this round.
zolah left jaz out of her "quiet players to look at next" post, but after the whack she votes him instead of thor/zig/potent/pablo. she could have gotten her vote stuck on him in this round, remember, we were headed to a 3-way tie which would have given cover (similar scenario in 108 i believe).
there's not really a lot i see with thor/jaz tbh, but he was also 'cleared' by viking earlier in the game, and generally seemed to come around to the same ideas. he's also generally a hard read.
dan aside from defending jaz when pablo was prodding, when given the choice of putting in quiet players, he jumped on the thor train after my stab in the dark.
potent is still basically a mystery to me, which is a bad thing at this point. i guess he could have pushed jaz in when i bumped zig to three and instead replaced my vote on thor.
just before we all barrel down the me and jaz line of thinking.
ZIG do you have anything to add to this, or refute this, other than just continuing to grill me? the only player i can't really make a jaz connection on is thor.
This was from post Pablo reveal. Do you really need me to start quoting all the posts where you listed half of all players needing scrutiny on Day 2 without ever really bringing up Viking?
ZIG do you have anything to add to this, or refute this, other than just continuing to grill me? the only player i can't really make a jaz connection on is thor.
This was from post Pablo reveal. Do you really need me to start quoting all the posts where you listed half of all players needing scrutiny on Day 2 without ever really bringing up Viking?
dude whatever.
that adds fucking nothing. what are your thoughts on dan, potent, thor, zolah, viking and how they relate to THE ONLY CONFIRMED MAFIA? or are you just going to stroke your ego some more.
fwiw zig tunneling into me is making me very uncomfortable about the whole situation and it's looking likely that I'm going to be left alive for the final so that whoever is actually mafia is less suspicious than me.
#mafiatrope zig is 4th mafia.
I feel like I've already put forth the posts that I questioned viking, you're literally saying viking is mafia for clearing you after 3 posts, but since he did that you've basically been on his dick, which is just as early to say mafia, especially when its very clear you aren't inspector. so maybe take a step back and look at other players.
not to threaten you like I did with JR but I can go pull games where I've been mafia against you and 'YEAH ZIG' comes up because you're like this all the time.
I still think the Tainted whack had a diversion aspect to it, and that diversion was pointing to Viking and Dan as I explained earlier in Munich comprehensive post analyzing the Tainted whack.
Therefore, I’m looking more at Zolah, Potent, and Maddog. I would prefer they be in then runoff at this point. But I honestly don’t have much to go on to distinguish them.
Im taking a shot in the dark here against someone who has been pretty quiet, has voted for multiple people I know are innocent (Tainted and myself), other people who I think the Tainted whack is set up to frame (Danbob), and ended up voting opposite Jaz in the final D1 runoff.
after all that you just lose it. I don't have a counterpoint to everything you say, and the first four pages of the game I am working with other people, not just playing against you. again that whole post above is too much, "are my points untrue" "are you too bent to play with anyone else" "flys on shit" (again). nor have I said at any point that I agree with viking, i think its dumb for anyone to lean town so early, but he also isn't slinging bullshit about me specifically and hasn't tried to undercut what I bring to the table so I don't give a shit. he's in the runoff, that's good enough.
Again, throwing shade towards viking. I was trying to get new information out of the voters, yes me implying Zolah should have dropped off of him would be highly suspect IF he was the given name, but I wanted actual revotes not the same people every round.
I feel like Viking maybe deserves the RO spot more than Dan, but zolahs really the only one who could come off and get the revotes I'd like to see, and based off their convo I'm not sure that happens.
Not pleased with him getting all pissy and unhelpful. My whole point of voting JR over him was Viking seemed to be more contributing to me than JR.
Kind of stopped paying attention. The game really is not worth the work I was putting into it. I appreciate your effort, but too many preconceived notions, and too many people with fragile sense of self worth.
way to put the a in anus
Quote got screwed up here, but it's me bringing up tainteds switch on viking that went un answered. After this he comes off, but if I'm mafia, I won't be probing for people to explain why my mafia mates are mafia. and as much as someone will say I was looking for inspector, I was re quoting someone else who already did that, so if thats what you believe you also need to look at thor.
And as to what I was saying about mafia dropping out and needing to be put back in after final runoff my example is 103.
ZIG deciding he's going to be the hero and failing miserably, 104, "This game was a bummer for me because I hadn't lost since Mafia 96. That game was a train wreck for me too so I guess when I lose, I go out in style" - ZIG
Just got caught up on yesterday’s posts. My initial thought is to put either Thor or mad dog in the current group of voters. I definitely need more time to digest and get a full reread later today when I’m not so busy. In my eyes potent definitely deserves a look at but the fact he’s an “easy” vote makes me think that a Mafia member might be voting for him (which makes me think Thor). Mad dog is really unknown to me right now - I’m not really agreeing much with what he’s said the past day but he was playing the same way as town last game. Zig is being classic zig even though he’s town. Lastly, both zolah and Viking have a slight town lean to me.
Post by potentpotables on Jan 3, 2018 11:03:44 GMT -5
Potent > Viking
I don't like that he drew a lot of heat on Day 1 and hasn't since. Saved by a last minute Tainted switch, and now he's still here and nobody is talking about him.
So I started running through some Mafia combinations.
We know the following: Jaz was Mafia, Pablo was Inspector, ZIG and Taint are town, and JR is dead. I excluded JR from the combinations because if he was Mafia, then we are only one person away (I tend to lean that JR was town). Taken these pieces of information, we are left with 15 potential Mafia combinations.
After doing my reread yesterday, I would “lean town” on Zolah and Danbob. I have felt like Zolah was town from Day 1 based on her reactions and “discussions” with Viking. Also, Jaz and Zolah both voted for each other to open up Day 2 and even though they could have been distancing, there was a lot of movement happening before Pablo’s reveal that would have allowed Zolah to switch and potentially drop Jaz out but she didn’t. As for Danbob, I initially had him as suspicious with a potential of being Mafia with Viking an Maddog, however, I had felt Danbob might have been a bit of a patsy and that possibility seem more likely now with Jaz’s reveal. So if you exclude Zolah and Danbob from the 15 combinations, that leaves 6 remaining.
Sorry, could not play yesterday. As I said in day 2, all we have to do at this point is kill the pool of JR (Dead), Jaz (Dead, confirmed Mafia), Zolah, Dan, Potent and we win. At this point, it becomes real simple.
Have not caught up, but given the proximity to the deadline,
And as to what I was saying about mafia dropping out and needing to be put back in after final runoff my example is 103.
ZIG deciding he's going to be the hero and failing miserably, 104, "This game was a bummer for me because I hadn't lost since Mafia 96. That game was a train wreck for me too so I guess when I lose, I go out in style" - ZIG
ZIG is being ZIG right now. Thinks because he is a cleared townie, that his opinion is more "right", when it is actually the reverse. He only knows he is town, the rest of us have Our own name and his. Therefore, he is much more likely to be wrong.
Sorry, could not play yesterday. As I said in day 2, all we have to do at this point is kill the pool of JR (Dead), Jaz (Dead, confirmed Mafia), Zolah, Dan, Potent and we win. At this point, it becomes real simple.
Have not caught up, but given the proximity to the deadline,
I believe Viking never shared amy data showing longer Day 1 correlating to townie wins...
I said I would follow up offline after the game. Not interested in cluttering the thread.
So you like longer games because it is a better outcome for the town, yet you don’t want to “clutter” the thread with information that could be beneficial to the town?
So I started running through some Mafia combinations.
We know the following: Jaz was Mafia, Pablo was Inspector, ZIG and Taint are town, and JR is dead. I excluded JR from the combinations because if he was Mafia, then we are only one person away (I tend to lean that JR was town). Taken these pieces of information, we are left with 15 potential Mafia combinations.
After doing my reread yesterday, I would “lean town” on Zolah and Danbob. I have felt like Zolah was town from Day 1 based on her reactions and “discussions” with Viking. Also, Jaz and Zolah both voted for each other to open up Day 2 and even though they could have been distancing, there was a lot of movement happening before Pablo’s reveal that would have allowed Zolah to switch and potentially drop Jaz out but she didn’t. As for Danbob, I initially had him as suspicious with a potential of being Mafia with Viking an Maddog, however, I had felt Danbob might have been a bit of a patsy and that possibility seem more likely now with Jaz’s reveal. So if you exclude Zolah and Danbob from the 15 combinations, that leaves 6 remaining.
i dont see how you can call me out for working with viking because i've between the lines cleared him and then just disregard dan after he explicitly leans town on viking. what kind of logic is that honestly?
I said I would follow up offline after the game. Not interested in cluttering the thread.
So you like longer games because it is a better outcome for the town, yet you don’t want to “clutter” the thread with information that could be beneficial to the town?
So of my remaining 6 Mafia combinations, the Thor - Jaz combinations seem less likely.
Both Jaz and Thor openedD1R1 voting for Viking Then on Day 2, both initially voted for Zolah. I don’t think they as Mafia together, would vote the same to open two consecutive days. If the Thor - Jaz combinations are eliminated, that leaves:
Sorry, could not play yesterday. As I said in day 2, all we have to do at this point is kill the pool of JR (Dead), Jaz (Dead, confirmed Mafia), Zolah, Dan, Potent and we win. At this point, it becomes real simple.
Have not caught up, but given the proximity to the deadline,
Viking >>> Zolah
No thoughts non Tahoe or Maddog?
I've already explained at length why I think Maddog is town, and same with Thor. I find it highly unlikely that 2 mafia members would be the first 2 votes on a single person on day 1. It is part of why your conclusions on this post are WAY off.
So I started running through some Mafia combinations.
We know the following: Jaz was Mafia, Pablo was Inspector, ZIG and Taint are town, and JR is dead. I excluded JR from the combinations because if he was Mafia, then we are only one person away (I tend to lean that JR was town). Taken these pieces of information, we are left with 15 potential Mafia combinations.
After doing my reread yesterday, I would “lean town” on Zolah and Danbob. I have felt like Zolah was town from Day 1 based on her reactions and “discussions” with Viking. Also, Jaz and Zolah both voted for each other to open up Day 2 and even though they could have been distancing, there was a lot of movement happening before Pablo’s reveal that would have allowed Zolah to switch and potentially drop Jaz out but she didn’t. As for Danbob, I initially had him as suspicious with a potential of being Mafia with Viking an Maddog, however, I had felt Danbob might have been a bit of a patsy and that possibility seem more likely now with Jaz’s reveal. So if you exclude Zolah and Danbob from the 15 combinations, that leaves 6 remaining.
Basically, I would toss every one containing Thor. Then it just comes down to Where people stand on Maddog and I. You have had a stick up your ass since your 3rd post when I said I felt you leaned town. If that is why you kill me, that is pretty dumb, especially because I was eventually proven right. Additionally, consider that your poor play was so suspicious that the inspector had to ask what your roll was on Night 1. I appreciate that you are town, but you would really benefit from listening instead of just tunneling.
And before you say I do the same thing, there are 2 or 3 times when I have admitted I was wrong in thread and that someone else made a good point.
So you like longer games because it is a better outcome for the town, yet you don’t want to “clutter” the thread with information that could be beneficial to the town?
Stop being dense.
He should stop being inconsistent. He stated on multiple occasions that he likes longer games (more posts, 5way runoff instead of 4, etc), but then on other occasions would rather keep things “uncluttered”.
And Danbob, do you not recall Mafia 94? He pulled all sorts of shit as Mafia on a day 1 (fake reveal), then when he was somehow alive Day 2, he went MIA once I revealed. You and Kdogg were up hid ass that game, and it’s hard not to see parallels when, again this game, he does much of the same, pulls shit Day 1, then disappears Day 2 and becomes unhelpful, or continues to deflect / delay providing responses to questions.
I said I would follow up offline after the game. Not interested in cluttering the thread.
So you like longer games because it is a better outcome for the town, yet you don’t want to “clutter” the thread with information that could be beneficial to the town?
Seriously? This is a mechanics and research thing most people really don't want to read. Trying to be sensitive to how most people play and win the game here. I am for longer games, but not at the expense of lengthening them with mechanics and meta game data dumps.
I've already explained at length why I think Maddog is town, and same with Thor. I find it highly unlikely that 2 mafia members would be the first 2 votes on a single person on day 1. It is part of why your conclusions on this post are WAY off.
So I started running through some Mafia combinations.
We know the following: Jaz was Mafia, Pablo was Inspector, ZIG and Taint are town, and JR is dead. I excluded JR from the combinations because if he was Mafia, then we are only one person away (I tend to lean that JR was town). Taken these pieces of information, we are left with 15 potential Mafia combinations.
After doing my reread yesterday, I would “lean town” on Zolah and Danbob. I have felt like Zolah was town from Day 1 based on her reactions and “discussions” with Viking. Also, Jaz and Zolah both voted for each other to open up Day 2 and even though they could have been distancing, there was a lot of movement happening before Pablo’s reveal that would have allowed Zolah to switch and potentially drop Jaz out but she didn’t. As for Danbob, I initially had him as suspicious with a potential of being Mafia with Viking an Maddog, however, I had felt Danbob might have been a bit of a patsy and that possibility seem more likely now with Jaz’s reveal. So if you exclude Zolah and Danbob from the 15 combinations, that leaves 6 remaining.
Basically, I would toss every one containing Thor. Then it just comes down to Where people stand on Maddog and I. You have had a stick up your ass since your 3rd post when I said I felt you leaned town. If that is why you kill me, that is pretty dumb, especially because I was eventually proven right. Additionally, consider that your poor play was so suspicious that the inspector had to ask what your roll was on Night 1. I appreciate that you are town, but you would really benefit from listening instead of just tunneling.
And before you say I do the same thing, there are 2 or 3 times when I have admitted I was wrong in thread and that someone else made a good point.
How were you proven right? You said Mafia was ZIG - Zolah - JR. You were clearly wrong.
Also, read above, I further pulled out the Thor combinations.
So you like longer games because it is a better outcome for the town, yet you don’t want to “clutter” the thread with information that could be beneficial to the town?
Seriously? This is a mechanics and research thing most people really don't want to read. Trying to be sensitive to how most people play and win the game here. I am for longer games, but not at the expense of lengthening them with mechanics and meta game data dumps.
You know there is a feature called “spoiler” that can be used...
