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Just caught back up. I still think Viking is the most likely to be mafia. Going back to day 1, Viking votes Jaz. Viking got all over me on my 2nd post and hasn't stepped off. Why on earth would a combo of me & Jaz want to whack Tainted? So we could look closer at the Viking voters? He cleared Zig after 3 posts. And I also still think his post clearing MD is garbage.
jaz seemed pretty intent on discrediting viking, could be distancing, but a good % of his posts were doing that. vikings vote for/off him also fits that, and I could see them being together. because despite all that he voted for zolah this round.
zolah left jaz out of her "quiet players to look at next" post, but after the whack she votes him instead of thor/zig/potent/pablo. she could have gotten her vote stuck on him in this round, remember, we were headed to a 3-way tie which would have given cover (similar scenario in 108 i believe).
there's not really a lot i see with thor/jaz tbh, but he was also 'cleared' by viking earlier in the game, and generally seemed to come around to the same ideas. he's also generally a hard read.
dan aside from defending jaz when pablo was prodding, when given the choice of putting in quiet players, he jumped on the thor train after my stab in the dark.
potent is still basically a mystery to me, which is a bad thing at this point. i guess he could have pushed jaz in when i bumped zig to three and instead replaced my vote on thor.
just before we all barrel down the me and jaz line of thinking.
expanding on how it applies to zolah, JAZ Zig and Carini did the same thing in 108.
thor only makes any sense to me if it's Viking as the two but its the least likely to me right now.
dan was straight up trying to turn the conversation away from jaz, if the whack 'misdirects' to dan, does the reveal 'misdirect' as well? he also makes the most sense if you think viking for sure. and zig has been talking about dan piggy backing all game, and now all of a sudden dan's on his back after me, after being essentially being tied to me all game.
potent again, is just MIA this game. theres nothing really there for him to spin/be spun. thor made some good points about him voting opposite jaz, among others, that's really all i have there.
Just caught back up. I still think Viking is the most likely to be mafia. Going back to day 1, Viking votes Jaz. Viking got all over me on my 2nd post and hasn't stepped off. Why on earth would a combo of me & Jaz want to whack Tainted? So we could look closer at the Viking voters? He cleared Zig after 3 posts. And I also still think his post clearing MD is garbage.
yeah it's not super well put together, i feel there are better reasons for why i am town, but it's easy for me to look at that and agree.
jaz seemed pretty intent on discrediting viking, could be distancing, but a good % of his posts were doing that. vikings vote for/off him also fits that, and I could see them being together. because despite all that he voted for zolah this round.
zolah left jaz out of her "quiet players to look at next" post, but after the whack she votes him instead of thor/zig/potent/pablo. she could have gotten her vote stuck on him in this round, remember, we were headed to a 3-way tie which would have given cover (similar scenario in 108 i believe).
there's not really a lot i see with thor/jaz tbh, but he was also 'cleared' by viking earlier in the game, and generally seemed to come around to the same ideas. he's also generally a hard read.
dan aside from defending jaz when pablo was prodding, when given the choice of putting in quiet players, he jumped on the thor train after my stab in the dark.
potent is still basically a mystery to me, which is a bad thing at this point. i guess he could have pushed jaz in when i bumped zig to three and instead replaced my vote on thor.
just before we all barrel down the me and jaz line of thinking.
expanding on how it applies to zolah, JAZ Zig and Carini did the same thing in 108.
thor only makes any sense to me if it's Viking as the two but its the least likely to me right now.
dan was straight up trying to turn the conversation away from jaz, if the whack 'misdirects' to dan, does the reveal 'misdirect' as well? he also makes the most sense if you think viking for sure. and zig has been talking about dan piggy backing all game, and now all of a sudden dan's on his back after me, after being essentially being tied to me all game.
potent again, is just MIA this game. theres nothing really there for him to spin/be spun. thor made some good points about him voting opposite jaz, among others, that's really all i have there.
and for zig to dismiss zolah and be like 'oh mayyyyybe she could have gotten stuck but she didn't move' after doing it two games ago is laughable.
As I stated above, I find it less likely that Thor would be Mafia with jaz. And with the fact that I had 3 votes before the reveal, it seems that either Viking or Maddog (or both) was Mafia pushing me forward.
my vote for you was retaliatory. jaz was in the runoff which is what i wanted, thor was starting to feel less suspicious to me so I moved. as it's been stated you were the day 1 guess so stop acting like everyone was supposed to know you were town.
i moved my vote to you in the hope that one of jaz or you would move to thor/jaz to even things up. i think its fucking bonkers that the only person who had a problem with jaz revoting is under suspicion. i know you haven't been mafia with me zig, but i'm not a throw other people under the bus/vote for members kind of player.
But I am curious, WLViking, you and I both “lean town” on Thor due to voting patterns. I also outlined voting patterns that make me “lean town” on Zolah. But you don’t seem to take that at all into consideration, instead would rather base your thoughts on her based on your fairly contrived arguments with her on a day 1.
You claim I need to do a reread, but I’ve already adjusted my thoughts on Danbob and author and narrowed options down considerably. You, on the other hand, have stuck with the Zolah and JR as Mafia crap now almost the entire game. Seems like you should also re-analyze.
I am. Hence the question. RE Zolah, I am in disagreement on her reasoning, but willing to do a relook. I think she has pulled in a lot more personal stuff than normal for her, and I am always suspicious of that.
jaz seemed pretty intent on discrediting viking, could be distancing, but a good % of his posts were doing that. vikings vote for/off him also fits that, and I could see them being together. because despite all that he voted for zolah this round.
zolah left jaz out of her "quiet players to look at next" post, but after the whack she votes him instead of thor/zig/potent/pablo. she could have gotten her vote stuck on him in this round, remember, we were headed to a 3-way tie which would have given cover (similar scenario in 108 i believe).
there's not really a lot i see with thor/jaz tbh, but he was also 'cleared' by viking earlier in the game, and generally seemed to come around to the same ideas. he's also generally a hard read.
dan aside from defending jaz when pablo was prodding, when given the choice of putting in quiet players, he jumped on the thor train after my stab in the dark.
potent is still basically a mystery to me, which is a bad thing at this point. i guess he could have pushed jaz in when i bumped zig to three and instead replaced my vote on thor.
just before we all barrel down the me and jaz line of thinking.
expanding on how it applies to zolah, JAZ Zig and Carini did the same thing in 108.
thor only makes any sense to me if it's Viking as the two but its the least likely to me right now.
dan was straight up trying to turn the conversation away from jaz, if the whack 'misdirects' to dan, does the reveal 'misdirect' as well? he also makes the most sense if you think viking for sure. and zig has been talking about dan piggy backing all game, and now all of a sudden dan's on his back after me, after being essentially being tied to me all game.
potent again, is just MIA this game. theres nothing really there for him to spin/be spun. thor made some good points about him voting opposite jaz, among others, that's really all i have there.
This is a good point. I just went back to reread Dan this game and this popped out on page 17. Tally at the time, followed by Danbob's post right after.
^ I know I'm town and Zig is town. I'd lean town on Thor... And I feel like that was Danbob trying to have Pablo/Potent/Zig vote for Thor over Jaz, who is now known mafia.
Jaz didn't have to make a single move on Day 1. He voted for Viking and sat there. That's fine, but he's never gonna have a reason to be in a runoff if he's never in a runoff, you know what I mean? He's just floating on by. Notice we haven't even heard from him since I put him in the runoff.
Same thing happened last game. That’s Jaz for you. There’s more to putting someone into the runoff than just votes though. Look at Jaz’s posts vs zigs or Thor’s. Then tell me who deserves to be in the runoff out of the “quiet people”. Not even saying we shouldn’t be aware or looking at him. I’m just trying to find a runoff group with the most suspicious people at the current moment.
But people who post more are going to come across as more suspicious regardless. If they're wrong about anyone they're already suspicious of that person (ie me and you last game, while much quieter mafia slipped through)
Def see what you’re trying to say but I think the biggest posters this game (you Viking and myself obviously) are all town.
I mean come on...
(I cleared up my post in another quote but "if they're (a) wrong about anyone (b), than that person (b) is already suspicious of (a); which is likely the case between me and zig here)
Honestly just sounds like mad dog is pissy I voted for him.
no im pissy at zig.
and you being more vocal about jaz being out of the runoff vs. me suggesting we put him in and refuting your reasoning is definitely worth something if you think that i'm mafia and dan is my patsy.
Went back and reread certain sections, looked at votes and just at Jaz's posts a few times.
Reading Jaz's posts makes me more comfortable that JR was potentially mafia. Every time he gets tossed back in, Jaz had a comment questioning it and gives some passive defense on it. It also ties to Tainted being whacked, thinking they got the inspector early. He makes a pretty sudden shift on JR on Day 2 too. Then there was this:
At this point it’s clear to me the Tainted whack points to 3 players. Tainted made a power move 3-stack on Danbob earlier in day one. Even though Danbob was facing a straight vote-off, Tainted refused to remove his vote from Danbob, hoping to find out who would move their vote off Dan. Interestingly, JR was one of the guys on Danbob. Maybe Tainted was looking to see if JR would save Danbob.
Next, Tainted explicitly says that he thinks JR is playing more like a townie, and Viking is playing more like non-townie. That’s directly pointing at Viking, and I do not believe Tainted made any other explicit posts saying someone leans town/mafia to him (please correct me if I’m wrong).
Finally, Tainted saves Viking and switches to JR, doing in JR. Naturally this points to JR, who is dead, but may nonetheless have been mafia. This also directly contradicts his earlier post that JR is looking more like town than Viking. He later states it was a ploy to see if anyone else would save Viking (which also doesn’t make sense to me, but whatever).
Interesting that no one has suggested a “misdirection” whack. If JR was a mafia, then Tainted is a great whack because JR is already dead and Tainted could otherwise point to two unrelated players (Viking and Danbob).
Thoughts on this, people?
I’m curious what ZIG/JAZ/Zolah think in particular.
I also still thinking Viking is a lying sack of shit, regardless if he’s town here or not.
I'm at work so I'm still getting caught up, but in general I don't think Day 1 whacks are misdirection unless the Mafia has absolutely no clue who to whack - and in that case, they're usually better off voting for one of the more dangerous townies. A couple games back I was Mafia with ZIG, and our Day 1 whack pointed directly at him - and all the townies thought it was misdirection for some reason. They actually thought I was suspicious for suggesting that it wasn't misdirection. As Mafia the primary aim is to kill the Inspector. So I don't think they were going for a misdirection, and if they were, I don't think they would have chosen to whack Tainted. So I think it was something that Tainted did or said.
After going through Tainted's posts, I don't think he had JR's name. His comment about thinking JR sounded like a townie doesn't really jibe with that idea. He did become more suspicious of JR as the Day progressed, but his posts read to me more like a townie's thoughts evolving on a player than him being an Inspector with a name.
And as for Viking, sure Tainted expressed suspicion of him - but then switched off of him to kill JR at the end of the Day. There's no way he'd have done that if he had Viking's name. Doesn't mean Viking (or JR) aren't Mafia, but I don't think either of them were Tainted's given name if Tainted was Inspector.
I agree with you about the three people the whack points to as far as Tainted's comments are concerned. If he had one of those three, I think it's most likely Danbob. Otherwise, I think it's more likely the Mafia thought he had the name of you, Zolah, or ZIG, and his final vote was just to vote opposite of his given name.
He has his vote on Zolah as the 2nd vote of the round. Throws some shade at Danbob, and subtle question on Thor, Zolah & ZIG.
Two votes off Dan, and they both went on Tainted. Interesting.
Are you thinking that Tainted has JR's name? Or Danbob's? Because even with the switch in the end, I kinda feel like it's just unlikely that Tainted voted along with his given name.
And Viking - given all of your gunning for Zolah last Day, connecting her to JR, etc., why did you open this round voting for ZIG? Do you find him more suspicious than her at this point?
More Dan shade, and then questions me on voting ZIG vs Zolah.
He continues with Dan shade, leaving his vote on Zolah. It is kind of stuck at that point, since moving it makes him give more info. Then Pablo comes out and he posts several large posts. This is exactly why it is good to question people after the reveal and not immediately accept it, even if you may agree.
If I'm wrong about Danbob, then my guess is that Pablo's two partners might be in the pool of other Viking voters - Zolah/ZIG/Thor. Killing me now and clearing ZIG would likely satisfy the town's itch to go after Viking voters, allowing the Mafia to direct the conversation towards JR voters, who (other than Pablo) would all be town.
ZIG and Thor seem to make the most sense in this scenario, given the timing of Pablo's fake reveal.
ZIG and Thor were both set to go forward in the runoff with me and it wasn't looking like many people were trying to vote me off, so if they are Pablo's partners the Mafia would have likely been losing someone today. By fake revealing with my name, getting the town to vote me out would mean they only have to kill one townie tomorrow to win the game. Oftentimes during fake reveals Mafia will clear a townie as town to gain their trust, so it's possible that this is what is happening in re: ZIG, but if Thor was the only partner set to go forward in the runoff, I'm not sure it'd be worth the risk of a fake reveal.
The same 4 as above with Danbob being most suspicious, then a pool of Zolah, ZIG and Thor. However, he drops out Zolah as suspicious and does not even mention her going forward. And this is why I am still stuck on Zolah.
Zolah was his vote, and she moves her vote to him. If JR was mafia, they were down to 2 v 7 and needed to make space. Jaz voted early, but never really sold the vote, and in fact, was a lot more interested in casting shade on Dan. Zolah votes for Dan as well, then moves to Jaz, but does nothing to sell the vote as well, and instead continues to cast shade else where. She was called on it and then posts this:
Just catching up on mobile before bed. I had New Years Eve & New Years Day plans and my kids go back to school in a few days so I’ve had other priorities.
I want to reread again, and should have time in the morning, but I doubt I will be awake by 9:30. FWIW, I believe Pablo. When I voted for Jaz, I even said it was because he was quiet. He didn’t argue or even comment on that back to me.
I was skeptical of Zig because he said everything that I was thinking and did that last game where he ended up being mafia. I do think mafia thought Tainted was inspector, and there was a mafia in the Viking voters because of that switch and Jaz makes sense.
Maddog, yes, I left Jaz off my “list” of quiet players, but I also left Thor off of it too. I was more interested in Potent/Tainted because of the 3 stacking in D1 and Zig because he was quiet and making the power moves. I believe you were the one pounding that one into the ground. I could have voted for Thor to go into the runoff with me, but instead put a vote on Jaz because he fit the criteria of quiet Viking voter and had a lower post count than Thor.
After being lashed out at and come at about possible cheating, and Maddog telling me I could have done XY or Z instead of what I did, I questioned even continuing this game. I won’t be playing or reffing the next game. If I had to guess, mafia would be Jaz, Maddog & Viking but I will get a better read in tomorrow.
She had left Jaz off the quiet players, even though he was, and Maddog called her on it. Thor and Jaz were roughly equivalent on posts. When she made the switch, Jaz had no votes on him so it was relatively safe. Then, Pablo jumped on and effectively locked her in (as well as locked Jaz on her because it would be odd if he moved off to someone else). The above post was made POST reveal. She offered no explanation or defense of her vote until after the reveal, probably because anything she said would cast more suspicion and increased the likelihood of a runoff.
Note that this is the first real "butthurt" post she makes too about quitting the game. Was playing full speed until the reveal. This was never mentioned until the reveal, and yet, post reveal, she has brought it up 4 times in 5 posts. I mean, I get indignation, but this moves beyond that.
Just caught back up. I still think Viking is the most likely to be mafia. Going back to day 1, Viking votes Jaz. Viking got all over me on my 2nd post and hasn't stepped off. Why on earth would a combo of me & Jaz want to whack Tainted? So we could look closer at the Viking voters? He cleared Zig after 3 posts. And I also still think his post clearing MD is garbage.
Back to me. I am the easy target for a variety of reasons, but also because she is running out of options. "The why would we do this" question is pretty self-evident. If Tainted had JR, and JR was mafia, and if Tainted moved from me at the end, it means he may have believed me, leading him to guess Zolah. If he lives and was inspector, he could have had 2 names, so they could not let him live. Jaz was on my list of 6 at the time as well, and hiding only works for so long.
As I reread, I think there is a good chance we win if we kill Zolah today. And if not Zolah, after rereading, I am still feeling Maddog as town, but also Dan as town too. Regardless, I think it still is Potent then Dan for the remaining pool.
I mean, can someone punch a hole in the Zolah theory for me? I just cant see one.
Honestly just sounds like mad dog is pissy I voted for him.
no im pissy at zig.
and you being more vocal about jaz being out of the runoff vs. me suggesting we put him in and refuting your reasoning is definitely worth something if you think that i'm mafia and dan is my patsy.
I would agree with this. ZIG, please look at my post with an open mind. I am asking honestly for someone to punch a hole in it. Same to you Dr. Joe, Maddog, Dan808, & potentpotables.
Why are people still working under the assumption that JR was Mafia? That’s what it seems like to me
See the first half of my post. I was actually less keen on him as mafia until reading Jaz's posts Day 1. Combine that with a reread of JR's, I am leaning more toward it now.
also, this regarding any combo of vik/zolah, dan/jr, jr/me, vik/jr, there haven't really been any more back and forth 'arguments' between others. which is really shitty and is making me think more and more that at least one of the less than 20 post players is likely mafia.
I agree. Another reason why Tainted and Potent would be good to look at on D2.
I felt like that ^ was just an extension of what I said 45 minutes prior while going back and forth a little with Maddog:
I do feel like something weird was going on with Dan being bumped to 3 early on. Whether it was Tainted bumping him to 3 or Potent coming off of him, I don’t know, but I think it would be a good place to explore D2. They've also been fairly quiet this game.
^All of that was still on D1. And call it distancing or getting stuck on Jaz or whatever, but of the quiet Viking voters, I voted for Jaz instead of just including Thor with me because Jaz was the quietest. So I don't know how that's me leaving him off any list.
Why are people still working under the assumption that JR was Mafia? That’s what it seems like to me
See the first half of my post. I was actually less keen on him as mafia until reading Jaz's posts Day 1. Combine that with a reread of JR's, I am leaning more toward it now.
When in the game we’re you less keen on him as Mafia? You were all about JR - Zolah - ZiG starting on Day 1. I don’t really remember you pulling back on your “JR is Mafia” shtick at all this game so I’m trying to understand when you had some sort of “epiphany” about JR only to semi-reverse course back onto him based inn jaz’s post.
Are you ever going to find a quote or any evidence to pin me, or just speculate based on your own bullshit?
I think I’ve been fairly detailed about how I arrived at the remaining players I find suspicious. But I suppose you didn’t read any of my “combination” posts. At a point, it’s a numbers game. If there are 6 Unknown players remaining, and 3 of them “lean town” for me, then that means 2 of the 3 Unknown players are probably Mafia. You fall within the unknown players.
And for you claiming to be town, you have spent an inordinate amount of time post Pablo reveal, coming at me, instead of doing what you and all the other players are doing; looking for Mafia.
Are you ever going to find a quote or any evidence to pin me, or just speculate based on your own bullshit?
I think I’ve been fairly detailed about how I arrived at the remaining players I find suspicious. But I suppose you didn’t read any of my “combination” posts. At a point, it’s a numbers game. If there are 6 Unknown players remaining, and 3 of them “lean town” for me, then that means 2 of the 3 Unknown players are probably Mafia. You fall within the unknown players.
And for you claiming to be town, you have spent an inordinate amount of time post Pablo reveal, coming at me, instead of doing what you and all the other players are doing; looking for Mafia.
youre the only one who's dismissing my efforts completely.
i read your combinations, you listed every possible one and then eliminated over half due to speculation, you're hurting town if you're just going to give them 3 options, two with me. and how you got to me seems to be based on me agreeing with viking, i provide a counter and you dismiss it.
jaz viking potent seems like it could possibly work, but i think the majority of stuff you've said about me could be said about dan and you don't seem to concerned at all to even check. and again dismissing zolah because you don't think shed make a move that you did two games ago is a little short sighted.
