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and taking pablo's advice as to who the 2nd and 3rd mafia is, or who else is leaning town is dumb. if he's telling the truth, he has 2 pieces of info, that's it. LD did the same shit and it was super easy to spin. I would look at who else is 'clearing' dan and coming at me, which would make me think it's some combo of dan viking or zolah, but with potent completely out of the picture idk who I'd rather take out first at this point.
I think I’ve been fairly detailed about how I arrived at the remaining players I find suspicious. But I suppose you didn’t read any of my “combination” posts. At a point, it’s a numbers game. If there are 6 Unknown players remaining, and 3 of them “lean town” for me, then that means 2 of the 3 Unknown players are probably Mafia. You fall within the unknown players.
And for you claiming to be town, you have spent an inordinate amount of time post Pablo reveal, coming at me, instead of doing what you and all the other players are doing; looking for Mafia.
youre the only one who's dismissing my efforts completely.
i read your combinations, you listed every possible one and then eliminated over half due to speculation, you're hurting town if you're just going to give them 3 options, two with me. and how you got to me seems to be based on me agreeing with viking, i provide a counter and you dismiss it.
jaz viking potent seems like it could possibly work, but i think the majority of stuff you've said about me could be said about dan and you don't seem to concerned at all to even check. and again dismissing zolah because you don't think shed make a move that you did two games ago is a little short sighted.
What are you even talking about? You really are unbearable. For the last time:
Lean Town Thor: Based on voting. This one seems pretty clear. If Thor is somehow Mafia, then bravo for his and Jaz’s voting.
Zolah: Based on voting and demeanor. Also a town tell they I have on her that has proven accurate which I’ve never shared and won’t. But to your point, it was actually 5 games ago (M105) when Zolah did distancing votes. But when she was Mafia in 101, she never did. So I looked back and in M105, she was Mafia with Potent and Danbob, two of the most prolific mafia distance voters around (IMO). And I’m that game, all three mafia did distancing votes with their initial D1R1 votes. So, IMO, that game was an extreme aberration on distancing, and I would wonder if Potent and Danbob set the Mafia agenda in that game.
Danbob: Looking back, his argument with JR on Day 1 feels like two townies arguing about semantics. I’ve done that with both Danbob and ZIG. Once we found out Jaz was Mafia, reading back through the game it feels like he was being played a bit.
But even leaving Danbob’s combinations (which I still included in my original posts), they still leaves only 6 combinations:
So quit trying to say I am limiting the options and hurting town. Town rarely listens to me anyway, even when I turn out to be accurate. I listed all combinations and then narrowed it down. I routinely show more “work” and detail than almost any player. All the combinations are readily available to be reviewed and scrutinized by other players but most players usually don’t bother.
and taking pablo's advice as to who the 2nd and 3rd mafia is, or who else is leaning town is dumb. if he's telling the truth, he has 2 pieces of info, that's it. LD did the same shit and it was super easy to spin. I would look at who else is 'clearing' dan and coming at me, which would make me think it's some combo of dan viking or zolah, but with potent completely out of the picture idk who I'd rather take out first at this point.
When did I ever take Pablo’s advice for the 2nd or 3rd Mafia? If I recall, upon his release, I posted that my gut feeling for Mafia was Jaz - Viking - Maddog. After that, both Pablo and Zolah concurred or supported that opinion, not the other way around.
I’ll be dead soon on night 3 but keep coming at me. I’ll eventually stop responding because you and Viking are more interested in attacking or discrediting me than doing anything else productive. And it’s not worth the time in my life right now to deal with petulant little children in an online game.
youre the only one who's dismissing my efforts completely.
i read your combinations, you listed every possible one and then eliminated over half due to speculation, you're hurting town if you're just going to give them 3 options, two with me. and how you got to me seems to be based on me agreeing with viking, i provide a counter and you dismiss it.
jaz viking potent seems like it could possibly work, but i think the majority of stuff you've said about me could be said about dan and you don't seem to concerned at all to even check. and again dismissing zolah because you don't think shed make a move that you did two games ago is a little short sighted.
What are you even talking about? You really are unbearable. For the last time:
Lean Town Thor: Based on voting. This one seems pretty clear. If Thor is somehow Mafia, then bravo for his and Jaz’s voting.
Zolah: Based on voting and demeanor. Also a town tell they I have on her that has proven accurate which I’ve never shared and won’t. But to your point, it was actually 5 games ago (M105) when Zolah did distancing votes. But when she was Mafia in 101, she never did. So I looked back and in M105, she was Mafia with Potent and Danbob, two of the most prolific mafia distance voters around (IMO). And I’m that game, all three mafia did distancing votes with their initial D1R1 votes. So, IMO, that game was an extreme aberration on distancing, and I would wonder if Potent and Danbob set the Mafia agenda in that game.
Danbob: Looking back, his argument with JR on Day 1 feels like two townies arguing about semantics. I’ve done that with both Danbob and ZIG. Once we found out Jaz was Mafia, reading back through the game it feels like he was being played a bit.
But even leaving Danbob’s combinations (which I still included in my original posts), they still leaves only 6 combinations:
So quit trying to say I am limiting the options and hurting town. Town rarely listens to me anyway, even when I turn out to be accurate. I listed all combinations and then narrowed it down. I routinely show more “work” and detail than almost any player. All the combinations are readily available to be reviewed and scrutinized by other players but most players usually don’t bother.
and taking pablo's advice as to who the 2nd and 3rd mafia is, or who else is leaning town is dumb. if he's telling the truth, he has 2 pieces of info, that's it. LD did the same shit and it was super easy to spin. I would look at who else is 'clearing' dan and coming at me, which would make me think it's some combo of dan viking or zolah, but with potent completely out of the picture idk who I'd rather take out first at this point.
When did I ever take Pablo’s advice for the 2nd or 3rd Mafia? If I recall, upon his release, I posted that my gut feeling for Mafia was Jaz - Viking - Maddog. After that, both Pablo and Zolah concurred or supported that opinion, not the other way around.
I’ll be dead soon on night 3 but keep coming at me. I’ll eventually stop responding because you and Viking are more interested in attacking or discrediting me than doing anything else productive. And it’s not worth the time in my life right now to deal with petulant little children in an online game.
the bold right there is where you're not reading. I'm comparing that if her and jaz were mafia, they were set up in a way that YOU, ZIG, JAZ, MAFIA NOW, and carini did 2 games ago. just because she's on jaz doesnt mean shit going into a likely 3 way that's going to necessitate someone moving off.
and I never said you. I'm saying that for everyone, pablo 'clears' dan pretty quick, and immediately throws me under the bus. he's wrong because there is no way he could know at that point. and I've been mafia and twisted inspectors baseless guesses before.
and you've been just as pissy as anyone this game, and generally most games. and most of the time youre proud of it. so kudos to you for being the 'adult' around here.
and your 'dan is a patsy' response came after pablo 'clears' dan, you saying my name comes after him saying my name as a possible next guess with dan. you also bring up how jaz and dan piggy back off me, and then complain about my piggy backing.
you also seem to be clearing zolah based on the fact that you assume that dan and potent were leading the charge, what kind of dense fucking reach is that?
you also seem to be clearing zolah based on the fact that you assume that dan and potent were leading the charge, what kind of dense fucking reach is that?
it seems like in the majority of your combo's you still have viking in it. at this point in the RO why dont you just kill him off? you're that sure it's me over him, even though you've been on him longer/inspector 'almost' guessed him, even though zolah seems to be more on him, etc.?
youre the only one who's dismissing my efforts completely.
i read your combinations, you listed every possible one and then eliminated over half due to speculation, you're hurting town if you're just going to give them 3 options, two with me. and how you got to me seems to be based on me agreeing with viking, i provide a counter and you dismiss it.
jaz viking potent seems like it could possibly work, but i think the majority of stuff you've said about me could be said about dan and you don't seem to concerned at all to even check. and again dismissing zolah because you don't think shed make a move that you did two games ago is a little short sighted.
What are you even talking about? You really are unbearable. For the last time:
Lean Town Thor: Based on voting. This one seems pretty clear. If Thor is somehow Mafia, then bravo for his and Jaz’s voting.
Zolah: Based on voting and demeanor. Also a town tell they I have on her that has proven accurate which I’ve never shared and won’t. But to your point, it was actually 5 games ago (M105) when Zolah did distancing votes. But when she was Mafia in 101, she never did. So I looked back and in M105, she was Mafia with Potent and Danbob, two of the most prolific mafia distance voters around (IMO). And I’m that game, all three mafia did distancing votes with their initial D1R1 votes. So, IMO, that game was an extreme aberration on distancing, and I would wonder if Potent and Danbob set the Mafia agenda in that game.
Danbob: Looking back, his argument with JR on Day 1 feels like two townies arguing about semantics. I’ve done that with both Danbob and ZIG. Once we found out Jaz was Mafia, reading back through the game it feels like he was being played a bit.
But even leaving Danbob’s combinations (which I still included in my original posts), they still leaves only 6 combinations:
So quit trying to say I am limiting the options and hurting town. Town rarely listens to me anyway, even when I turn out to be accurate. I listed all combinations and then narrowed it down. I routinely show more “work” and detail than almost any player. All the combinations are readily available to be reviewed and scrutinized by other players but most players usually don’t bother.
and taking pablo's advice as to who the 2nd and 3rd mafia is, or who else is leaning town is dumb. if he's telling the truth, he has 2 pieces of info, that's it. LD did the same shit and it was super easy to spin. I would look at who else is 'clearing' dan and coming at me, which would make me think it's some combo of dan viking or zolah, but with potent completely out of the picture idk who I'd rather take out first at this point.
When did I ever take Pablo’s advice for the 2nd or 3rd Mafia? If I recall, upon his release, I posted that my gut feeling for Mafia was Jaz - Viking - Maddog. After that, both Pablo and Zolah concurred or supported that opinion, not the other way around.
I’ll be dead soon on night 3 but keep coming at me. I’ll eventually stop responding because you and Viking are more interested in attacking or discrediting me than doing anything else productive. And it’s not worth the time in my life right now to deal with petulant little children in an online game.
ZIG, no one is attacking you. You just are not listening to anyone else. I asked you specifically to punch a hole in the Zolah theory and you didn't. I really tried to believe you, but no one refuted it at all. And re Zolah, the circumstance is very different from your supposed tell because of the speed at which I jumped on her. I feel you are being shortsighted with your opinion of her.
The basic fact is that you are acting like the inspector V2, when you "know" 1 less role and are way off base at least on me. I have tried to explain why I am thinking the way I am, and all I have gotten is shouting about your combos and bringing up retread ideas instead of building WITH other people.
Incoming "how convenient" post from Maddog in 3.. 2.. 1..
this is going to cost town the game
That and what ZIG is doing. Once the inspector comes out, every townie is on level playing field. We all have exactly the same info, except for ZIG who has 1 less name. The only difference is that they now become the pivot the mafia try to use to spin themselves to safety as they have apparently done with ZIG this game.
If the town kills me, at least kill Zolah in day 4 so that you win. And if that does not work, kill Potent. I would love to still be able to kill Dan too just to hammer the game home, but I think we win if we kill Zolah for all the reasons I posted earlier today. I honestly do not care if I die as long as she does too.
Also, ZIG, you have not included JR in any of your combos because of the insane reason that we would then be only 1 person away. Yet, if we are 1 away, it makes a big difference in what the combos look like.
Don’t feel comfortable having a vote without a full reread (probably won’t have the time until late tonight). I’m deciding between mad dog and zolah currently.
Seriously. I honestly do not care. Kill me tonight, just please for the sake of the town, kill Zolah next night. Play that out in your head. Town lynches me, in your theory, that makes 2 mafia down and 4 v 1 tomorrow. That seems really dumb if I am mafia, but it seems this is literally the only way I can possibly convince you. All I am asking is that you kill Zolah tomorrow. And if that does not work, I would kill Potent. I would prefer to kill Zolah today, but if the win takes murdering me for fun, then go for it.
i'm going to three stack potent if someone doesnt move to viking, just putting that out there now. he's been 0 help all game, and if he's town I highly doubt he's coming back and eureka'ing town to a win. if he's mafia it makes sense why he wouldn't feel the need to respond much at this point and to let things just play out. and assuming zig is the next whack, potent imo would be next.
at worst we have a 6-2 advantage right now. if potent is town, we still have 4-2 and it's doable. which is what happens if it's me anyway.
i have viking/dan, zolah, thor in order of suspicion. all have some tie in/distancing with jaz, and that's what I am more concerned with than guessing a 2nd and running with a guess of a guess as my 3rd.
i'm going to three stack potent if someone doesnt move to viking, just putting that out there now. he's been 0 help all game, and if he's town I highly doubt he's coming back and eureka'ing town to a win. if he's mafia it makes sense why he wouldn't feel the need to respond much at this point and to let things just play out. and assuming zig is the next whack, potent imo would be next.
at worst we have a 6-2 advantage right now. if potent is town, we still have 4-2 and it's doable. which is what happens if it's me anyway.
i have viking/dan, zolah, thor in order of suspicion. all have some tie in/distancing with jaz, and that's what I am more concerned with than guessing a 2nd and running with a guess of a guess as my 3rd.
I would agree on Potent. I have seen people hide behind less and he is 4th on my list.
What are you even talking about? You really are unbearable. For the last time:
Lean Town Thor: Based on voting. This one seems pretty clear. If Thor is somehow Mafia, then bravo for his and Jaz’s voting.
Zolah: Based on voting and demeanor. Also a town tell they I have on her that has proven accurate which I’ve never shared and won’t. But to your point, it was actually 5 games ago (M105) when Zolah did distancing votes. But when she was Mafia in 101, she never did. So I looked back and in M105, she was Mafia with Potent and Danbob, two of the most prolific mafia distance voters around (IMO). And I’m that game, all three mafia did distancing votes with their initial D1R1 votes. So, IMO, that game was an extreme aberration on distancing, and I would wonder if Potent and Danbob set the Mafia agenda in that game.
Danbob: Looking back, his argument with JR on Day 1 feels like two townies arguing about semantics. I’ve done that with both Danbob and ZIG. Once we found out Jaz was Mafia, reading back through the game it feels like he was being played a bit.
But even leaving Danbob’s combinations (which I still included in my original posts), they still leaves only 6 combinations:
So quit trying to say I am limiting the options and hurting town. Town rarely listens to me anyway, even when I turn out to be accurate. I listed all combinations and then narrowed it down. I routinely show more “work” and detail than almost any player. All the combinations are readily available to be reviewed and scrutinized by other players but most players usually don’t bother.
When did I ever take Pablo’s advice for the 2nd or 3rd Mafia? If I recall, upon his release, I posted that my gut feeling for Mafia was Jaz - Viking - Maddog. After that, both Pablo and Zolah concurred or supported that opinion, not the other way around.
I’ll be dead soon on night 3 but keep coming at me. I’ll eventually stop responding because you and Viking are more interested in attacking or discrediting me than doing anything else productive. And it’s not worth the time in my life right now to deal with petulant little children in an online game.
ZIG, no one is attacking you. You just are not listening to anyone else. I asked you specifically to punch a hole in the Zolah theory and you didn't. I really tried to believe you, but no one refuted it at all. And re Zolah, the circumstance is very different from your supposed tell because of the speed at which I jumped on her. I feel you are being shortsighted with your opinion of her.
The basic fact is that you are acting like the inspector V2, when you "know" 1 less role and are way off base at least on me. I have tried to explain why I am thinking the way I am, and all I have gotten is shouting about your combos and bringing up retread ideas instead of building WITH other people.
Jesus fucking Christ. It’s not my job to punch wholes in your Zolah - JR - Jaz theory. I have explained in multiple posts, on multiple occasions why I believe Zolah is town. If you don’t agree with me, fine. But quit trying to claim anything otherwise. The amount of information you have provided on why you think Zolah is Mafia in your bullshit theory is based on your stupid Day 1 argument with her and that’s about it.
You don’t know my Zolah tell or how your stupid argument affects it, but I’m confident in it, along with the other pieces of information I have provided. And the fact that you even admit to jumping on Zolah right off the bat and have still stuck to the same tired argument without really adding any other reasonings to back up your position says as much.
And I’m not “building with other people”? You’re full of shit. The only two players in here bitching at me are you and Maddog. Quite a few players have expressed similar sentiments as me, but I guess since I’m the lone cleared townie, most outspoken, and most likely to die Night 3, I’m the target. And for you, of all people, to claim I’m not “building with other people”, give me a fucking break. You’ve had the same fucking theory since basically the beginning of Day 1, that’s the definition of tunnel-vision.
Also a town tell they I have on her that has proven accurate which I’ve never shared and won’t.
dont you rag on players for saying the same shit?
And that’s why I never brought it up initially. Because saying “I have a tell” usually warrants scrutiny. That’s why I’ve provided other pieces of information / voting that I feel also show Zolah is town.
That and what ZIG is doing. Once the inspector comes out, every townie is on level playing field. We all have exactly the same info, except for ZIG who has 1 less name. The only difference is that they now become the pivot the mafia try to use to spin themselves to safety as they have apparently done with ZIG this game.
If the town kills me, at least kill Zolah in day 4 so that you win. And if that does not work, kill Potent. I would love to still be able to kill Dan too just to hammer the game home, but I think we win if we kill Zolah for all the reasons I posted earlier today. I honestly do not care if I die as long as she does too.
Also, ZIG, you have not included JR in any of your combos because of the insane reason that we would then be only 1 person away. Yet, if we are 1 away, it makes a big difference in what the combos look like.
I’m not changing your diaper. If you want to see JR combos, you can do them yourself. There’s 6 of them.
you also seem to be clearing zolah based on the fact that you assume that dan and potent were leading the charge, what kind of dense fucking reach is that?
It’s called an educated guess based on playing style / experience.
ZIG, no one is attacking you. You just are not listening to anyone else. I asked you specifically to punch a hole in the Zolah theory and you didn't. I really tried to believe you, but no one refuted it at all. And re Zolah, the circumstance is very different from your supposed tell because of the speed at which I jumped on her. I feel you are being shortsighted with your opinion of her.
The basic fact is that you are acting like the inspector V2, when you "know" 1 less role and are way off base at least on me. I have tried to explain why I am thinking the way I am, and all I have gotten is shouting about your combos and bringing up retread ideas instead of building WITH other people.
Jesus fucking Christ. It’s not my job to punch wholes in your Zolah - JR - Jaz theory. I have explained in multiple posts, on multiple occasions why I believe Zolah is town. If you don’t agree with me, fine. But quit trying to claim anything otherwise. The amount of information you have provided on why you think Zolah is Mafia in your bullshit theory is based on your stupid Day 1 argument with her and that’s about it.
You don’t know my Zolah tell or how your stupid argument affects it, but I’m confident in it, along with the other pieces of information I have provided. And the fact that you even admit to jumping on Zolah right off the bat and have still stuck to the same tired argument without really adding any other reasonings to back up your position says as much.
And I’m not “building with other people”? You’re full of shit. The only two players in here bitching at me are you and Maddog. Quite a few players have expressed similar sentiments as me, but I guess since I’m the lone cleared townie, most outspoken, and most likely to die Night 3, I’m the target. And for you, of all people, to claim I’m not “building with other people”, give me a fucking break. You’ve had the same fucking theory since basically the beginning of Day 1, that’s the definition of tunnel-vision.
And that’s why I never brought it up initially. Because saying “I have a tell” usually warrants scrutiny. That’s why I’ve provided other pieces of information / voting that I feel also show Zolah is town.
Fine. I give up with you ZIG. You could be the single worst player to ever play this game, and that is saying something. I may be an dick, but at least I am generally a right dick who listens to other people so that I don't fuck the town. You are just an asshole, spewing shit and immune to the smell. Hopefully it does not cost the town. I am done with you.
i'm going to three stack potent if someone doesnt move to viking, just putting that out there now. he's been 0 help all game, and if he's town I highly doubt he's coming back and eureka'ing town to a win. if he's mafia it makes sense why he wouldn't feel the need to respond much at this point and to let things just play out. and assuming zig is the next whack, potent imo would be next.
at worst we have a 6-2 advantage right now. if potent is town, we still have 4-2 and it's doable. which is what happens if it's me anyway.
i have viking/dan, zolah, thor in order of suspicion. all have some tie in/distancing with jaz, and that's what I am more concerned with than guessing a 2nd and running with a guess of a guess as my 3rd.
So much for that Viking vote of yours...why not wait until a runoff to vote for Potent?
it seems like in the majority of your combo's you still have viking in it. at this point in the RO why dont you just kill him off? you're that sure it's me over him, even though you've been on him longer/inspector 'almost' guessed him, even though zolah seems to be more on him, etc.?
to a degree yes. I've already gone over how you handled jaz pre reveal, which again is the only real bit of info we have.
Fair enough. I definitely see how my defense of Jaz makes me look.
Honestly, would a Mafia Danbob be dumb enough to so outwardly say Jaz shouldn’t be in the Day 2 runoff on two separate occasions? I know Mafia makes dumb moves, but that seems a bit of a stretch to so blatantly advocate for a fellow Mafia mate
Fair enough. I definitely see how my defense of Jaz makes me look.
Honestly, would a Mafia Danbob be dumb enough to so outwardly say Jaz shouldn’t be in the Day 2 runoff on two separate occasions? I know Mafia makes dumb moves, but that seems a bit of a stretch to so blatantly advocate for a fellow Mafia mate
I mean I wasn’t even saying we shouldn’t look at Jaz. Just that I thought his actions didn’t warrant him being in the runoff. I was wrong obviously but it’s not like I was 100% clearing him. Just going with what I thought at the time.
Honestly, would a Mafia Danbob be dumb enough to so outwardly say Jaz shouldn’t be in the Day 2 runoff on two separate occasions? I know Mafia makes dumb moves, but that seems a bit of a stretch to so blatantly advocate for a fellow Mafia mate
I mean I wasn’t even saying we shouldn’t look at Jaz. Just that I thought his actions didn’t warrant him being in the runoff. I was wrong obviously but it’s not like I was 100% clearing him. Just going with what I thought at the time.
Just ignore him. Aside from his general insanity, he has demonstrated repeatedly that he can't count and feels there are 4 mafia this game.
I mean I wasn’t even saying we shouldn’t look at Jaz. Just that I thought his actions didn’t warrant him being in the runoff. I was wrong obviously but it’s not like I was 100% clearing him. Just going with what I thought at the time.
Just ignore him. Aside from his general insanity, he has demonstrated repeatedly that he can't count and feels there are 4 mafia this game.
I understand how frustrating zig can be (see the game I was inspector) but he is a townie and we have to work together to win.
it seems like in the majority of your combo's you still have viking in it. at this point in the RO why dont you just kill him off? you're that sure it's me over him, even though you've been on him longer/inspector 'almost' guessed him, even though zolah seems to be more on him, etc.?
Counting must be difficult.
I believe you narrowed to five, and I'm in three of them, or did you forget that 3/5s is a majority in that scenario? I really hope you're mafia otherwise you're just an entitled shit who hides behind data and tells he won't share and then jumps on people for the same.
