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There are thousands of acts other than Thom Yorke, The National etc. folks.
Yeah man, tried this angle to no avail last go around. I wish you luck.
Eh, I think this is the fun part for me. If The National is off the table for example, it's fine, I'd try to draft something else. If I can't pick that 'something else', there are dozens of other acts I can think of.
I know this is a game and such, but all I care about is to curate the best I can, and create something I'd go. Even just thinking about it makes me happy.
I'm not sure that I understand what Dad Dog was saying so I'll clarify my interpretation:
Say you traded drafted Radiohead. You have the rights to Thom Yorke solo. What we're talking about is giving you the leeway to trade his rights as a solo artist to someone else. Since you control his rights you can make a determination that you are okay with letting someone else use him in their festival. Or you can sit on those rights.
I mean, you can trade an act so why shouldn't you be able to trade a member of that act and still retain the original act?
I'm not sure that I understand what Dad Dog was saying so I'll clarify my interpretation:
Say you traded Radiohead. You have the rights to Thom Yorke solo. What we're talking about is giving you the leeway to trade his rights as a solo artist to someone else. Since you control his rights you can make a determination that you are okay with letting someone else use him in their festival. Or you can sit on those rights.
I mean, you can trade an act so why shouldn't you be able to trade a member of that act and still retain the original act?
In that case, if any of you crazies want Thom Yorke, I'm open. But you'll have to take Jonny Greenwood from my cold, dead hands.
I'm not sure that I understand what Dad Dog was saying so I'll clarify my interpretation:
Say you traded Radiohead. You have the rights to Thom Yorke solo. What we're talking about is giving you the leeway to trade his rights as a solo artist to someone else. Since you control his rights you can make a determination that you are okay with letting someone else use him in their festival. Or you can sit on those rights.
I mean, you can trade an act so why shouldn't you be able to trade a member of that act and still retain the original act?
Question: If hambone were to eventually draft The National, would he be able to trade them? Or would Planetarium + Sufjan have to be included in the package? I personally don't think this should be the case and could help with some balancing issues.
this is what i was referencing for my situation A. I agree that it should not be the case. but i also think trading UDFA makes the point of blind free agents kind of pointless. If you want to trade rights, they should be drafted first.
Question: If hambone were to eventually draft The National, would he be able to trade them? Or would Planetarium + Sufjan have to be included in the package? I personally don't think this should be the case and could help with some balancing issues.
this is what i was referencing for my situation A. I agree that it should not be the case. but i also think trading UDFA makes the point of blind free agents kind of pointless. If you want to trade rights, they should be drafted first.
I think how that scenario would have to go down would be: Someone would have to trade for the rights to Bryce Dessner. Once they had the rights then they could draft The National. So it would essentially cost them (at least) two draft selections.
I still think that this might best be codified as a rule change via participant vote.
I'm not sure that I understand what Dad Dog was saying so I'll clarify my interpretation:
Say you traded drafted Radiohead. You have the rights to Thom Yorke solo. What we're talking about is giving you the leeway to trade his rights as a solo artist to someone else. Since you control his rights you can make a determination that you are okay with letting someone else use him in their festival. Or you can sit on those rights.
I mean, you can trade an act so why shouldn't you be able to trade a member of that act and still retain the original act?
Edit: said traded. meant drafted.
Clarification needed on this: would I still have to use a pick to draft Thom Yorke or could I just trade for him and that's it?
I'm not sure that I understand what Dad Dog was saying so I'll clarify my interpretation:
Say you traded drafted Radiohead. You have the rights to Thom Yorke solo. What we're talking about is giving you the leeway to trade his rights as a solo artist to someone else. Since you control his rights you can make a determination that you are okay with letting someone else use him in their festival. Or you can sit on those rights.
I mean, you can trade an act so why shouldn't you be able to trade a member of that act and still retain the original act?
Edit: said traded. meant drafted.
Clarification needed on this: would I still have to use a pick to draft Thom Yorke or could I just trade for him and that's it?
In this theoretical situation then you would just trade for him.
In the The National situation, however, you'd trade for Dessner but since you wouldn't have the rest of the act you'd also have to draft the act proper.
Again, this is my interpretation of how it should work but it was not explicitly allowed in the rules so we would have to approve that as a rule change.
Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 12, 2018 14:50:01 GMT -5
yeah i think we should be able to trade for the rights to acts. say we get to the later rounds, and I want Pond, but Cdev has Tame. I could maybe trade him my 17th round pick or some shit for the rights to Pond, and I would then have to use my 18th round pick to then actually draft them.
yeah i think we should be able to trade for the rights to acts. say we get to the later rounds, and I want Pond, but Cdev has Tame. I could maybe trade him my 17th round pick or some shit for the rights to Pond, and I would then have to use my 18th round pick to then actually draft them.
If you have the rights to them, then you could just add them in FA, correct?
yeah i think we should be able to trade for the rights to acts. say we get to the later rounds, and I want Pond, but Cdev has Tame. I could maybe trade him my 17th round pick or some shit for the rights to Pond, and I would then have to use my 18th round pick to then actually draft them.
If you have the rights to them, then you could just add them in FA, correct?
Once an act has been drafted, the rights to a member of that act are available via trade. If the traded individual is part of another act then that act would still need to be selected. (If the traded individual is being billed as a solo artist then no further action is needed.)
Twelve in favor are required.
The OP will be updated to reflect participant voting.
Once an act has been drafted, the rights to a member of that act are available via trade. If the traded individual is part of another act then that act would still need to be selected. (If the traded individual is being billed as a solo artist then no further action is needed.)
Twelve in favor are required.
The OP will be updated to reflect participant voting.
Once an act has been drafted, the rights to a member of that act are available via trade. If the traded individual is part of another act then that act would still need to be selected. (If the traded individual is being billed as a solo artist then no further action is needed.)
Twelve in favor are required.
The OP will be updated to reflect participant voting.
Once an act has been drafted, the rights to a member of that act are available via trade. If the traded individual is part of another act then that act would still need to be selected. (If the traded individual is being billed as a solo artist then no further action is needed.)
Again, to clarify the rule. You are drafting an entity. All of the members of that entity are committed to only playing your festival that weekend. They cannot go and play anywhere else that weekend and so they are not available for other people to draft.
The Blur/Gorillaz example is the most obvious but I don't want to spend all of our time debating whether or not someone is "important" enough to an act to prevent a different act that they are in from playing elsewhere.
Once an act has been drafted, the rights to a member of that act are available via trade. If the traded individual is part of another act then that act would still need to be selected. (If the traded individual is being billed as a solo artist then no further action is needed.)
Again, to clarify the rule. You are drafting an entity. All of the members of that entity are committed to only playing your festival that weekend. They cannot go and play anywhere else that weekend and so they are not available for other people to draft.
The Blur/Gorillaz example is the most obvious but I don't want to spend all of our time debating whether or not someone is "important" enough to an act to prevent a different act that they are in from playing elsewhere.
No???
Even though I voted in favor, this is a good point. It wouldn't be fair for me to add Blur in FA.
Post by piggy pablo on Feb 12, 2018 16:27:23 GMT -5
Against.
I feel like if we vote to allow trades, it contradicts the logic of the established exclusivity rule. And at that point, we should just get rid of the rule, which wouldn't be right because ken made his pick in part because of the rule.
I also think that it encourages people to make these kind of picks even if they don't want all of the associated acts, because then they're just drafting trade chips.
