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You could seriously not be doing a worse job of making your case...
But also this fest has been headlined by Eminem, Tool, Beck, the Pixies, and Modest Mouse, and featured sets from Weezer, Sigur Ros, Converge, Buffalo Tom, Steve Malkmus, Ben Harper, The Replacements, Nas x The Roots, Neutral Milk Hotel,
And they have booked increasingly fewer older acts since 2016. I'm doing a fine job of making the case that Boston Calling has been reducing the number of pre-2000 acts they've booked in the last three years, compared to previous years and compared to other festivals.
You make a valid point by listing Converge and Buffalo Tom, but their bookings were part of the Boston legacy bands kick they were on in '17 and '18. Most people don't buy festival passes to see the same local bands that play around town at least a few times per year.
1) You're not pointing to any similar festivals who are booking those acts,
2) You're ignoring the fact that there have been other years with no older names including the first two editions and 2016, therefore disqualifying your claim that they're reducing the number
3) You're still not explaining why it's so ridiculous for a music festival to mostly book acts that will appeal to 18-35 year olds, given that that demographic accounts for a large majority of their ticket sales
And they have booked increasingly fewer older acts since 2016. I'm doing a fine job of making the case that Boston Calling has been reducing the number of pre-2000 acts they've booked in the last three years, compared to previous years and compared to other festivals.
You make a valid point by listing Converge and Buffalo Tom, but their bookings were part of the Boston legacy bands kick they were on in '17 and '18. Most people don't buy festival passes to see the same local bands that play around town at least a few times per year.
1) You're not pointing to any similar festivals who are booking those acts,
2) You're ignoring the fact that there have been other years with no older names including the first two editions and 2016, therefore disqualifying your claim that they're reducing the number
3) You're still not explaining why it's so ridiculous for a music festival to mostly book acts that will appeal to 18-35 year olds, given that that demographic accounts for a large majority of their ticket sales
1) This year is a bit of an outlier, in that a lot of festivals seem to be following Boston Calling's lead and reducing legacy acts.
2) As I previously noted, if you averaged the year of first album release for all Boston Calling acts during a given year, you'll find that average has increasingly moved in a more recent direction as the festival has progressed (or regressed, as the case may be).
3) It is ridiculous for a festival which takes place in the middle of nowhere to cater to older music fans, because a lot of older people aren't going to live in a field for a few days. Urban festivals accessible by public transportation do attract music fans of all ages, because the convenience level goes way up for people who like to sleep in their own bed or stay in hotels. If you're looking to make as much money as possible at a "all-genres" fest, you think long and hard about catering to as many demographic groups as possible, because you want to make as much money as possible.
4) I do think that the center cannot hold when it comes to diverse all-genres music festivals. How many people look at a Boston Calling, Gov Ball, Bonnaroo, etc. lineup and think to themselves, "Yeah, they've got some artists I like, but not enough to justify going"? I suspect that the future of music festivals is more narrowly drawn festivals like Camp Flog Gnaw, Riot Fest, Electric Daisy Carnival, and Newport Folk, where the idea isn't to appeal to every music fan, but to greatly appeal to a subset of music fans.
Exactly. people in their 50s and 60s dont go to festivals. They spend their money on legacy shows at td garden and xfinity center. Crashline arent gonna change their booking patterns for such a niche market lmao.
For one thing, people in their 40's spent their mid-teens to mid-twenties listening to 90's music, so this is hardly a 50's and 60's thing.
And, as the crowd for Tool a few years ago demonstrated, fans of all ages will turn out for an urban festival if they like who's in the lineup.
There aren't a lot of over 50 folks at Boston Calling, but I'm far from the only one I see there.
Exactly. people in their 50s and 60s dont go to festivals. They spend their money on legacy shows at td garden and xfinity center. Crashline arent gonna change their booking patterns for such a niche market lmao.
"LMAO?" So why are other festivals booking the likes of Neil Young and The Strokes this year?
Exactly. people in their 50s and 60s dont go to festivals. They spend their money on legacy shows at td garden and xfinity center. Crashline arent gonna change their booking patterns for such a niche market lmao.
"LMAO?" So why are other festivals booking the likes of Neil Young and The Strokes this year?
How are Neil Young and The Strokes in the same conversation?
Haven't even brought up the fact that older artists might not want to play Boston Calling.
On average a band from the 80s or 90s is getting at least twice as much money for playing the same venue as a newer band because they can charge more for tickets. This isn't the case at a festival
So either the fest has to match their high pay rate even though in all likelihood they're selling less tickets than the soundcloud rapper with two big singles who's next to them on the lineup OR the band has to take a paycut to play to mostly people who don't know in the sunlight or potential rain.
Of course Woodstock would have older artists. It was celebrating a festival that happened 30 years before.
And lol a Guinness sponsored festival in Boston sounds like the peak of cultural relevancy
Plus idk what fests you're looking at now that are booking a bunch of 80s/90s artists.
Bonnaroo - Phish
BottleRock - Neil Young, The Dandy Warhols, Cypress Hill, Santana
Coachella - Charlotte Gainsbourg
Granted, it seems like many festivals have backed away from booking legacy acts. It just seems like Boston Calling started a couple of years before everyone else. Plus, they've never done the sort of old school nostalgia booking like Lionel Richie or Huey Lewis and the News which other fests have done (not that I'm clamoring to see those two specific acts).
Charlotte Gainsbourg is a 80s/90s act? You’re not seriously counting the album she made as a kid are you? I think the obvious example for Coachella would be Aphex Twin.
Also just to add an example on your favor, De La Soul would be dope at BC or any modern fest. Sounded great at Gov Ball 2016
"LMAO?" So why are other festivals booking the likes of Neil Young and The Strokes this year?
How are Neil Young and The Strokes in the same conversation?
Neither act is one which will necessarily attract teenagers, unless those teenagers have really great musical taste. They'll both attract Gen X'ers and Neil Young brings in the Baby Boomers (some of whom kept up with indie rock and like The Strokes. Like me.)
Look that last year's ACL top line. Yes, it included Childish Gambino. It also included Paul McCartney and Metallica. The whole lineup was perfectly balanced to appeal to every age and demographic.
Either achieve that sort of balance, or narrow your focus.
BottleRock - Neil Young, The Dandy Warhols, Cypress Hill, Santana
Coachella - Charlotte Gainsbourg
Granted, it seems like many festivals have backed away from booking legacy acts. It just seems like Boston Calling started a couple of years before everyone else. Plus, they've never done the sort of old school nostalgia booking like Lionel Richie or Huey Lewis and the News which other fests have done (not that I'm clamoring to see those two specific acts).
Charlotte Gainsbourg is a 80s/90s act? You’re not seriously counting the album she made as a kid are you? I think the obvious example for Coachella would be Aphex Twin.
Also just to add an example on your favor, De La Soul would be dope at BC or any modern fest. Sounded great at Gov Ball 2016
I saw De La Soul open for Public Enemy and Ice Cube a few years back. I always liked the De La Soul singles I had heard on the radio, but they were kind of lame when I saw them. Public Enemy and Ice Cube were great, however. I loved the moment when Ice Cube launched into Straight Outta Compton and this aging investment banker in a Polo shirt within spitting distance of my own age leaped into the aisle and started dancing in a manner which could only be described as violent. He was quickly restrained by security.
(I do not know for a fact that the man was an investment banker, but his look and general vibe just screamed "Investment Banker.")
Exactly. people in their 50s and 60s dont go to festivals..
Really? Tell me more.
Sorry hahaha i worded that poorly. what I meant is that Crashline's target demographic for Boston Calling probably doesn't include that age group. It's more geared towards the 18-35 age range. No offense meant to be given toward any older festival attendees. I was merely trying to defend my case of it being justified that city festivals don't really book legacy acts. Strawman makes an excellent point too, in that older artists would also make far more money playing at a venue than as a mid card festival act.
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Charlotte Gainsbourg is a 80s/90s act? You’re not seriously counting the album she made as a kid are you? I think the obvious example for Coachella would be Aphex Twin.
Also just to add an example on your favor, De La Soul would be dope at BC or any modern fest. Sounded great at Gov Ball 2016
I saw De La Soul open for Public Enemy and Ice Cube a few years back. I always liked the De La Soul singles I had heard on the radio, but they were kind of lame when I saw them. Public Enemy and Ice Cube were great, however. I loved the moment when Ice Cube launched into Straight Outta Compton and this aging investment banker in a Polo shirt within spitting distance of my own age leaped into the aisle and started dancing in a manner which could only be described as violent. He was quickly restrained by security.
(I do not know for a fact that the man was an investment banker, but his look and general vibe just screamed "Investment Banker.")
I’m always down for some Public Enemy but I have to wonder what the crowd size would be like for them. If I remember correctly they couldn’t sell the Royale out a few years back.
Sorry hahaha i worded that poorly. what I meant is that Crashline's target demographic for Boston Calling probably doesn't include that age group. It's more geared towards the 18-35 age range. No offense meant to be given toward any older festival attendees. I was merely trying to defend my case of it being justified that city festivals don't really book legacy acts. Strawman makes an excellent point too, in that older artists would also make far more money playing at a venue than as a mid card festival act.
No offense taken. I’m not normal. I’m proud of that.
Or, looking at Gov Ball names we could steal, SZA or Kaytranada would be solid. Vince Staples too
But yeah, they can have sheck wes fuck right off
Pusha T or Kaytranada would be best case for me. already have a ticket to see Vince in feb so im indifferent to him. SZA is prob too big tho
SZA’s too big but replacing Sheck with a woman would be a good move and she was the first name that came to mind. Solange would probably also be too big.
Pusha T or Kaytranada would be best case for me. already have a ticket to see Vince in feb so im indifferent to him. SZA is prob too big tho
SZA’s too big but replacing Sheck with a woman would be a good move and she was the first name that came to mind. Solange would probably also be too big.
especially since SZA canceled her mansfield set last year b/c of her vocal issues
but before we get ahead of ourselves how likely WOULD BC drop him?
SZA’s too big but replacing Sheck with a woman would be a good move and she was the first name that came to mind. Solange would probably also be too big.
especially since SZA canceled her mansfield set last year b/c of her vocal issues
but before we get ahead of ourselves how likely WOULD BC drop him?
Or, looking at Gov Ball names we could steal, SZA or Kaytranada would be solid. Vince Staples too
But yeah, they can have sheck wes fuck right off
Pusha T or Kaytranada would be best case for me. already have a ticket to see Vince in feb so im indifferent to him. SZA is prob too big tho
As much as I'd like to see Sheck Wes replaced by, say, Low Cut Connie, I realize that he'd likely be replaced by another rap or R&B artist. Literally anything would be an improvement.
Of course, whether he's dropped or not, you just know that Michael Che is going to have something to say about it during his set.
Idk man, people are really upset on social media about this.
I dont think he is going to be dropped for the same reason that Nas is doing a National Symphony Orchestra show this year. One person, and no pictures.
Idk man, people are really upset on social media about this.
I dont think he is going to be dropped for the same reason that Nas is doing a National Symphony Orchestra show this year. One person, and no pictures.
very true. also i feel like Hip Hop fans are a LOT more forgiving than indie/emo fans so we'll see.
