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Hard to read long posts, so I'll try to break it up and not move to the new thread yet. Several issues I'd like to discuss later, including "Whitebread bland performers" (really?), and security. Alas, the OP Awards, Part I:
* The Torch Passing: As Mavis gestured to Rhiannon to take the highs * Best budding meme: "...and Hozier" * Best line heard (paraphrase) : Rambling Jack getting ornery the last night as someone helped him with his guitar: "I know how to play guitar" * Artist this year who unexpectedly "got it": Sheryl Crow * Didn't "get it," and "I don't get": Kacey Musgraves * Most underrated instrumentalist: Bridget Kearney (LSD) * Weakest link in a band: Fan of LSD again, but imagine Rhiannon Giddens as vocalist? * OP Got Psyched Out Award: 4 mics for three singers -- This Land is Your Land; Colin Molloy recalling Pete & Bruce singing it together. Then Jay gets up and walks quickly backstage and I thought... * Good Guys: Ballroom Gypsies popping up here and there. Time for a stage return
* Reality Check: Last time I saw Judy Collins was in Central Park, 1969, in a musical version of Peer Gynt at Shakespeare in the Park. Holy shizzzz...
Hard to read long posts, so I'll try to break it up and not move to the new thread yet. Several issues I'd like to discuss later, including "Whitebread bland performers" (really?), and security. Alas, the OP Awards, Part I:
* The Torch Passing: As Mavis gestured to Rhiannon to take the highs * Best budding meme: "...and Hozier" * Best line heard (paraphrase) : Rambling Jack getting ornery the last night as someone helped him with his guitar: "I know how to play guitar" * Artist this year who unexpectedly "got it": Sheryl Crow * Didn't "get it," and "I don't get": Kacey Musgraves * Most underrated instrumentalist: Bridget Kearney (LSD) * Weakest link in a band: Fan of LSD again, but imagine Rhiannon Giddens as vocalist? * OP Got Psyched Out Award: 4 mics for three singers -- This Land is Your Land; Colin Molloy recalling Pete & Bruce singing it together. Then Jay gets up and walks quickly backstage and I thought... * Good Guys: Ballroom Gypsies popping up here and there. Time for a stage return
* Reality Check: Last time I saw Judy Collins was in Central Park, 1969, in a musical version of Peer Gynt at Shakespeare in the Park. Holy shizzzz...
Agree with so much of this.
I’m a huge fan of Kacey and have been requesting her for years. But she missed the mark, big time (IMO). I can’t believe she didn’t summon any guests. I was hoping she’d have called in a favor to Willie or John Prine, similar to Margo Price, and we’d all be blown away by a super secret surprise guest. Or at the very least, I’m pretty sure she’s played with Sheryl and Brandi before. Or... her husband!? Nothing...
Hard to read long posts, so I'll try to break it up and not move to the new thread yet. Several issues I'd like to discuss later, including "Whitebread bland performers" (really?), and security. Alas, the OP Awards, Part I:
* The Torch Passing: As Mavis gestured to Rhiannon to take the highs * Best budding meme: "...and Hozier" * Best line heard (paraphrase) : Rambling Jack getting ornery the last night as someone helped him with his guitar: "I know how to play guitar" * Artist this year who unexpectedly "got it": Sheryl Crow * Didn't "get it," and "I don't get": Kacey Musgraves * Most underrated instrumentalist: Bridget Kearney (LSD) * Weakest link in a band: Fan of LSD again, but imagine Rhiannon Giddens as vocalist? * OP Got Psyched Out Award: 4 mics for three singers -- This Land is Your Land; Colin Molloy recalling Pete & Bruce singing it together. Then Jay gets up and walks quickly backstage and I thought... * Good Guys: Ballroom Gypsies popping up here and there. Time for a stage return
* Reality Check: Last time I saw Judy Collins was in Central Park, 1969, in a musical version of Peer Gynt at Shakespeare in the Park. Holy shizzzz...
>Calls me out for calling Rachael Price whitebread and weird/borderline insulting choice to perform Civil Rights anthems two years in a row
>Proceeds to point out Rachael Price as weakest link in her own band, imagines Rhiannon Giddens in her place
Am I still the only one who found it in poor taste to have men form the backing band to the Collab set? I feel like Jason Isbell upon writing a gay country song for pointing this out... but there are so many awesome female studio musicians who would probably have jumped at the opportunity (and there were some already on the lineup). And, without that, what makes this the first “all women” headlining set at Newport? Women (backed by men) have headlined Newport before, no?
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Loved LSDs set at the Fort. Thought they crushed it. Not sure why she or they get so much friction. Her performance was one of the actually good ones in that headline set. There were multiple bad ones...
Well I know that there was a massive crowd there for the LSD set, so I’m not the only one that’s a fan at Newport.
Am I still the only one who found it in poor taste to have men form the backing band to the Collab set? I feel like Jason Isbell upon writing a gay country song for pointing this out... but there are so many awesome female studio musicians who would probably have jumped at the opportunity (and there were some already on the lineup). And, without that, what makes this the first “all women” headlining set at Newport? Women (backed by men) have headlined Newport before, no?
Had an issue with this too and said as much to my girlfriend right after Brandi said that. And I'm not sure why but the poor taste was made worse by it being her band, as much as I love the twins
Am I still the only one who found it in poor taste to have men form the backing band to the Collab set? I feel like Jason Isbell upon writing a gay country song for pointing this out... but there are so many awesome female studio musicians who would probably have jumped at the opportunity (and there were some already on the lineup). And, without that, what makes this the first “all women” headlining set at Newport? Women (backed by men) have headlined Newport before, no?
Had an issue with this too and said as much to my girlfriend right after Brandi said that. And I'm not sure why but the poor taste was made worse by it being her band, as much as I love the twins
Oh yeah. I chuckled when she said that. And she was the only woman on stage at that point...
Am I still the only one who found it in poor taste to have men form the backing band to the Collab set? I feel like Jason Isbell upon writing a gay country song for pointing this out... but there are so many awesome female studio musicians who would probably have jumped at the opportunity (and there were some already on the lineup). And, without that, what makes this the first “all women” headlining set at Newport? Women (backed by men) have headlined Newport before, no?
Yea, I thought that was weird too. I guess there were no male singing features, no men came out to sing at the end with the big group, highlight was all on the women - but I agree. Janet Weiss was there, get her on drums! Sheryl on bass. Tons of ripping female guitarists there, Liz Cooper would have been a fitting fill-in for Isbell. Jade Bird on acoustic. I guess the risk is it's sloppy since the instrumentals kinda hold the whole thing down with different singers cycling through, so it's better to have a well rehearsed unit, but it was definitely a strange choice of words to describe it.
Am I still the only one who found it in poor taste to have men form the backing band to the Collab set? I feel like Jason Isbell upon writing a gay country song for pointing this out... but there are so many awesome female studio musicians who would probably have jumped at the opportunity (and there were some already on the lineup). And, without that, what makes this the first “all women” headlining set at Newport? Women (backed by men) have headlined Newport before, no?
Yea, I thought that was weird too. I guess there were no male singing features, no men came out to sing at the end with the big group, highlight was all on the women - but I agree. Janet Weiss was there, get her on drums! Sheryl on bass. Tons of ripping female guitarists there, Liz Cooper would have been a fitting fill-in for Isbell. Jade Bird on acoustic. I guess the risk is it's sloppy since the instrumentals kinda hold the whole thing down with different singers cycling through, so it's better to have a well rehearsed unit, but it was definitely a strange choice of words to describe it.
They could have run more with the First Ladies Of Bluegrass. I assume they’re all talented enough to make it through a set like that without much rehearsal. (They’re all the best at their respective instruments...)
Or... simply grab a few studio musicians who had the time to rehearse together before the fest and are used to stepping in and learning a new song with not much time. Or something cool like Prince’s former all-female backing band. And then throw in a Liz Cooper or Sheryl Crow on top of that core unit for a song here or there.
Sorry. I didn't mean to be calling out Shinola90. It's a comment that I've seen a lot about white bread musicians. And its way too complicated to discuss on a thread where nuance is difficult to convey. Yes, Rachel Price can be extremely "white bread" with her vocals. (although not sure whether that means bland, or very poppy happy, suburban circa Cowsills (and I do love the flower girl!) I just think that as the band dips their collective toes -- ever slightly -- to their free form roots -- Rachel and LSD might be going in somewhat different directions. Its an easily disputed statement. I would just be curious what a more bluesy, and operatic, singer like Giddens would sound like with them.
Rachel is not just poppy. She can also be a wonderful jazz stylist, sort of in the mode of 40's-50's jazz, and has the pipes, training and stylizations for today's music. Physically white, suburban background -- that was the lot she drew at birth. Does that mean she can't sing a civil rights classic? I don't see why not (nor did Jon Batiste), but I am very open to the idea that writers and musicians excel creating art that reflects their life experiences. And there is a social statement involved, I guess. But I'd really rather not get too deeply into this. Is Hozier able to sing about pain? Sure as hell, yes.
A good person to listen to about music appropriation, and does anyone "own" a style or a feeling is, indeed, Rhiannon Giddens. I have been lucky enough to sit under a tree with her and a dozen people as she spoke about her playing Celtic music, the crap she has taken for it, and about non black musicians exploring stories of the black experience in America. She is very open and in favor of sharing experiences.
PS -- I wholeheartedly agree -- why so few female studio musicians on Saturday evening when the billing is the (female) collaboration. It didn't dull the evening. It just said we still have a ways to go. And, possibly, there were logistical problems, as well.
Sorry. I didn't mean to be calling out Shinola90. It's a comment that I've seen a lot about white bread musicians. And its way too complicated to discuss on a thread where nuance is difficult to convey. Yes, Rachel Price can be extremely "white bread" with her vocals. (although not sure whether that means bland, or very poppy happy, suburban circa Cowsills (and I do love the flower girl!) I just think that as the band dips their collective toes -- ever slightly -- to their free form roots -- Rachel and LSD might be going in somewhat different directions. Its an easily disputed statement. I would just be curious what a more bluesy, and operatic, singer like Giddens would sound like with them.
Rachel is not just poppy. She can also be a wonderful jazz stylist, sort of in the mode of 40's-50's jazz, and has the pipes, training and stylizations for today's music. Physically white, suburban background -- that was the lot she drew at birth. Does that mean she can't sing a civil rights classic? I don't see why not (nor did Jon Batiste), but I am very open to the idea that writers and musicians excel creating art that reflects their life experiences. And there is a social statement involved, I guess. But I'd really rather not get too deeply into this. Is Hozier able to sing about pain? Sure as hell, yes.
A good person to listen to about music appropriation, and does anyone "own" a style or a feeling is, indeed, Rhiannon Giddens. I have been lucky enough to sit under a tree with her and a dozen people as she spoke about her playing Celtic music, the crap she has taken for it, and about non black musicians exploring stories of the black experience in America. She is very open and in favor of sharing experiences.
PS -- I wholeheartedly agree -- why so few female studio musicians on Saturday evening when the billing is the (female) collaboration. It didn't dull the evening. It just said we still have a ways to go. And, possibly, there were logistical problems, as well.
This reminds me of the look that Rhiannon Giddens and Leyla McCalla shared when looking out at all of us singing "Black Myself". It was a moment.
I'll add to that singing along (as a man) with a lot of the women's collaboration songs.
It is wonderful to sing and celebrate someone else's song. It's when you take it, profit off of it and don't acknowledge it's origins that it is wrong.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 30, 2019 15:01:33 GMT -5
I think it may just be matter of convenience. Brandi had a ton going on all weekend (and the months leading up to it). Rehearsing and planning and promoting Highwomen and their first set, running around all festival and after shows popping in to join others, and then curating the headliner set and getting ready for that. Could they have found different women to back the full thing? Sure. But how difficult would scheduling them all be. I'm sure the first women of folk could have handled more but I don't know what their schedules were like or if they wanted to take on that responsibility.
It just seems like it made sense to use that band since they already we're practicing and working on chemistry for the Highwomen stuff.
Did it seem odd to hear her say it's an all women headliner set while there were guys on stage as well? Yeah. That makes you raise an eyebrow. But I don't think it's that big of a deal. If it was a Brandi solo headliner act we wouldn't be nitpicking about it not being a real first female headliner because there are guys in her band. The spotlight and real acts on this set were all the talented women they showcased. The guys were just hired guns.
If Brandi and the others wanted it this way and they were happy with it then I have no real issue with it. Maybe it will be addressed at some point but that headliner set was still pretty amazing and a great step forward
I commented on Newport IG post about suite Judy Blue Eyes that we were all hoping for a recording or release or video and Jay liked my comment for whatever that is worth
a reminder for anyone who doesn't, setlist.fm is your friend and totally editable. so if you remember what was played more than your pals, head over and add some songs. i love it as a resource to track my shows.
"but it should have been THE MOST historic and I'm not satisfied with anything but utter perfection!!!"
Nobody is asking for perfection. Nobody is saying that the set wasn’t fantastic. I loved the second half of it (the first half, IMO, was a little dull. Two repeat songs... No guests who were not already on the lineup); maybe the greatest 45 minutes in modern Newport history.
But it’s fair to call a spade a spade. If you’re going to promote something as historic and unique, it should be just that.
We’re doing a disservice if we think gender disparity exists solely at the lead artist level. It is much deeper than that. It exists at the songwriting level. It exists at the backing musician level. It exists at the producer level. It exists at the sound engineer level. Brandi had a chance of addressing this from top to bottom. Whether out of convenience or planned, she stopped at the top / most obvious level (and ironically, the level that she’s at).
(In many cases, gender disparity gets worse when you dive into songwriting, production, instrumental, and sound engineering credits).
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