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I have a pretty big taste in music so I see both super underground acts and super mainstream. This year (2019 W1) had the best crowds, overall, by a good margin in my 4 years. 2018 W1 was bad, bigger artists had lazy crowds and anyone hardly showed up to the smaller act sets (great performances though), 2018 is a huge asterisk though. 2017 W1 was good not great, 2016 W2 was amazing.
I feel that, was at the main stage for Pusha, Kacey Musgraves, .Paak, and Tame which all had great crowds. the weekend 1 celebrity crowd myth is so odd lol
What rap headliner are you all thinking? I imagine it’s too soon for Kendrick, Gambino, and Kanye, probably same for Tyler and Travis. J Cole doesn’t seem like a Coachella act to me, I imagine they would have booked him if they wanted to. I guess Chance could.
Travis Scott makes the most sense, but Chance/Kendrick/Drake/Kanye/Post Malone could all headline, I don't see why not.
What rap headliner are you all thinking? I imagine it’s too soon for Kendrick, Gambino, and Kanye, probably same for Tyler and Travis. J Cole doesn’t seem like a Coachella act to me, I imagine they would have booked him if they wanted to. I guess Chance could.
Travis Scott makes the most sense, but Chance/Kendrick/Drake/Kanye/Post Malone could all headline, I don't see why not.
Didn’t think of Drake. I could see them giving him a redemption
I know we all want to put this to bed, so this is my last point. Ticket sales are the defining metric for poster placement. That's exactly what GV wants to measure, how many people are paying money to see these artists. Which translates into draw/sales for Coachella. Let's ignore Melanie for a second and look at the subs. I'm in CO and some notes on recent subs and the venues they play here:
- ODESZA: Sells out multiple nights at Red Rocks nearly every year. ~19k tickets sold a year - HAIM: Sold out a night at Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Khalid: Performing at Pepsi Center. ~15k tickets. Same venue as many past headliners, including Ariana, Kendrick, Gambino, Lady Gaga, etc. - The XX: Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Bon Iver: Red Rocks. ~9.5k
The exceptions here are Janelle, who intentionally played a small seated venue when she performed here, and Solange who hasn't toured here in a while.
Pretty much every sub in the last 3 years has played Red Rocks to strong sales, I personally would call that a very notable venue.
Agents determine font size. And people just go to Red Rocks cause theres nothing else to do during the summer, and its an ''iconic'' venue. If Coachella just went off what was happening in Denver, it would pretty much look like Lolla, ACL or Roo, and thats not what they wanna do.
If Red Rocks shows determined Coachella headliners, we'd have Zeds Dead and Widespread Panic headlining.
I'm not saying that the CO demo = CA demo. But if you look at the capacity of Red Rocks and Pepsi Center, all of our subs played similar sized venues in LA. You can extrapolate from the capacity of venues performed in any city in the US and translate that to LA. If someone is playing small theaters all across the US, they probably aren't subbing and belong in the undercard. If they are playing arenas, there's some potential for headlining or subbing. If they are playing mid-sized venues, I'm sure the agent can make a case for subbing.
What does everyone think agents discuss when they negotiate poster placement with GV? Venue size, ticket sales, album sales, etc. Yes SoCal matters most, but do you think Paul just ignores anything out side of CA?
The only reason I added CO stats is because that's where I live, so I know the shows and capacities off the top of my head. If someone wants to go do the same thing for LA, be my guest. TME here's looking at you, if looking at venues in other parts of the country is so useless.
Post by jackalope11 on Jun 26, 2019 10:25:24 GMT -5
This may be a gigantic stretch, but what do we think about ABBA headlining? They're active this year and supposedly releasing a new album in November. I can only imagine they'd be too expensive, but I wouldn't be surprised if Glasto or Coachella decided to spend the money. We haven't had much of a "legacy" headliner since 2016, and if they end up booking "smaller" acts like Chance or Travis to headline, a huge reunion makes sense.
This may be a gigantic stretch, but what do we think about ABBA headlining? They're active this year and supposedly releasing a new album in November. I can only imagine they'd be too expensive, but I wouldn't be surprised if Glasto or Coachella decided to spend the money. We haven't had much of a "legacy" headliner since 2016, and if they end up booking "smaller" acts like Chance or Travis to headline, a huge reunion makes sense.
That would be a dream for me!
With the popularity of the Mama Mia movies, they're still fairly relevant to younger people, too.
Post by TickleMeElmo on Jun 26, 2019 11:03:42 GMT -5
I don’t think looking at other venues is useless but Red Rocks isn’t one I’d look at. I’d look at places in San Fran, Seattle and others in the west coast but the crowd in Denver is a bit more unique and not that similar to LA. Just like how Widespread Panic is much more popular in Denver while RÜFÜS DU SOL is much more popular in LA.
If Red Rocks shows determined Coachella headliners, we'd have Zeds Dead and Widespread Panic headlining.
I'm not saying that the CO demo = CA demo. But if you look at the capacity of Red Rocks and Pepsi Center, all of our subs played similar sized venues in LA. You can extrapolate from the capacity of venues performed in any city in the US and translate that to LA. If someone is playing small theaters all across the US, they probably aren't subbing and belong in the undercard. If they are playing arenas, there's some potential for headlining or subbing. If they are playing mid-sized venues, I'm sure the agent can make a case for subbing.
What does everyone think agents discuss when they negotiate poster placement with GV? Venue size, ticket sales, album sales, etc. Yes SoCal matters most, but do you think Paul just ignores anything out side of CA?
The only reason I added CO stats is because that's where I live, so I know the shows and capacities off the top of my head. If someone wants to go do the same thing for LA, be my guest. TME here's looking at you, if looking at venues in other parts of the country is so useless.
A lot of poster placement negotiation is favors or as a way to come down on a fee. Good poster placement for lower fee or no hotel/ground/backline etc
This may be a gigantic stretch, but what do we think about ABBA headlining? They're active this year and supposedly releasing a new album in November. I can only imagine they'd be too expensive, but I wouldn't be surprised if Glasto or Coachella decided to spend the money. We haven't had much of a "legacy" headliner since 2016, and if they end up booking "smaller" acts like Chance or Travis to headline, a huge reunion makes sense.
The ABBA tour is going to be holograms. I don't see Coachella doing holograms again in any context.
I don’t think looking at other venues is useless but Red Rocks isn’t one I’d look at. I’d look at places in San Fran, Seattle and others in the west coast but the crowd in Denver is a bit more unique and not that similar to LA. Just like how Widespread Panic is much more popular in Denver while RÜFÜS DU SOL is much more popular in LA.
Take Red Rocks out of the equation and "insert mid-sized venue here."
I think it's pretty reasonable to expect the #4-#6 on the poster to be able to move tickets at this category of venues across the country. When asking ourselves the question "is x artist a sub?" The answer to "can they sell out mid-sized venues" should be yes. If the answer is no, it's unlikely they'd get that poster placement.
In no way am I saying every artist who has sold out Red Rocks can sub, especially not Widespread Panic or most of the local favorites (all sorts of jam bands, psy-trance, shitty EDM, bluegrass). There is absolutely some uniqueness to the demo here, and people do visit the venue for novelty and just to party. But when looking at historical tour dates, nearly all of our subs have played there or larger venues when coming through Denver, so it stands to reason that we could use that approximate minimum venue size as a litmus test for "can this person sub."
I feel that, was at the main stage for Pusha, Kacey Musgraves, .Paak, and Tame which all had great crowds. the weekend 1 celebrity crowd myth is so odd lol
Everyone who says this hasn’t gone to Coachella.
Exactly, or has some weird hate-boner for the festival. I've been to '14, 17' and '19 and it's legitimately gotten better each time I've gone.
Post by braundiggity on Jun 26, 2019 18:26:46 GMT -5
The only repeat headliner in the last five years was Radiohead. I really don’t see them going back to Kendrick again so soon. Repeats used to be somewhat common but they’re clearly avoiding them these days.
Post by Whereispassionpit on Jun 26, 2019 18:29:49 GMT -5
Ahh right, The Weeknd got promoted from closing the main stage to....closing the main stage. Very relevant distinction, very sorry I can't get it through my thick skull
The way some of you guys come up with booking trends basically out of thin air and pretend they're written in stone is so stupid.
Coming from the guy who says The Weeknd was a headliner in 2015.
Not saying Kendrick can't headline, but why would he repeating with one album have a stronger case over multiple r&b/hip hop artists who have yet to headline or haven't repeated in many years and have multiple new albums since the last time they played.
Why bring back Kendrick with one new album instead of Kanye/Drake with multiple new albums since last playing Or why not give Travis/Frank/Chance their shot with another new album? 2+albums since each played last time (3 for Frank if you count Endless)
Radiohead and Arcade Fire repeat b/c GV was out of current rock, there is enough hip hop, r&b, and pop to keep going for now with no reason to repeat so quickly
Do you guys not count Kanye as playing this year? I know he only in reality played 7 songs but still, he was there. Also I think The Black Keys proved that any booking can happen