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Local man vastly over-estimates artist's popularity based on his own fandom. Film at 11.
Shrug the numbers are right there for you to look up, it's definitely not based on my fandom. I love Cry Baby but Melanie isn't one of my favorite favorites.
In other news, I feel like Coachella would book Charli XCX but not as a sub just because of her music style? I was really into mixtape Charli (Heartsbreaks & Earthquakes is classic to me), not as much her newer stuff but I'd love to be able to catch her. I could see them giving her a night on the Outdoor slot.
I know we all want to put this to bed, so this is my last point. Ticket sales are the defining metric for poster placement. That's exactly what GV wants to measure, how many people are paying money to see these artists. Which translates into draw/sales for Coachella. Let's ignore Melanie for a second and look at the subs. I'm in CO and some notes on recent subs and the venues they play here:
- ODESZA: Sells out multiple nights at Red Rocks nearly every year. ~19k tickets sold a year - HAIM: Sold out a night at Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Khalid: Performing at Pepsi Center. ~15k tickets. Same venue as many past headliners, including Ariana, Kendrick, Gambino, Lady Gaga, etc. - The XX: Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Bon Iver: Red Rocks. ~9.5k
The exceptions here are Janelle, who intentionally played a small seated venue when she performed here, and Solange who hasn't toured here in a while.
Pretty much every sub in the last 3 years has played Red Rocks to strong sales, I personally would call that a very notable venue.
I know we all want to put this to bed, so this is my last point. Ticket sales are the defining metric for poster placement. That's exactly what GV wants to measure, how many people are paying money to see these artists. Which translates into draw/sales for Coachella. Let's ignore Melanie for a second and look at the subs. I'm in CO and some notes on recent subs and the venues they play here:
- ODESZA: Sells out multiple nights at Red Rocks nearly every year. ~19k tickets sold a year - HAIM: Sold out a night at Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Khalid: Performing at Pepsi Center. ~15k tickets. Same venue as many past headliners, including Ariana, Kendrick, Gambino, Lady Gaga, etc. - The XX: Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Bon Iver: Red Rocks. ~9.5k
The exceptions here are Janelle, who intentionally played a small seated venue when she performed here, and Solange who hasn't toured here in a while.
Pretty much every sub in the last 3 years has played Red Rocks to strong sales, I personally would call that a very notable venue.
Does that new Goldenvoice rap festival in Vegas with J Cole, Travis Scott, and Kendrick as headliners make it slightly more likely one of them signed a multi-fest deal and is headlining Coachella?
Also, I think Tyler subbing that thing officially puts the "what if Tyler headlines..." craziness to bed.
I know we all want to put this to bed, so this is my last point. Ticket sales are the defining metric for poster placement. That's exactly what GV wants to measure, how many people are paying money to see these artists. Which translates into draw/sales for Coachella. Let's ignore Melanie for a second and look at the subs. I'm in CO and some notes on recent subs and the venues they play here:
- ODESZA: Sells out multiple nights at Red Rocks nearly every year. ~19k tickets sold a year - HAIM: Sold out a night at Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Khalid: Performing at Pepsi Center. ~15k tickets. Same venue as many past headliners, including Ariana, Kendrick, Gambino, Lady Gaga, etc. - The XX: Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Bon Iver: Red Rocks. ~9.5k
The exceptions here are Janelle, who intentionally played a small seated venue when she performed here, and Solange who hasn't toured here in a while.
Pretty much every sub in the last 3 years has played Red Rocks to strong sales, I personally would call that a very notable venue.
This would be a great argument... if Coachella was in Colorado.
Does that new Goldenvoice rap festival in Vegas with J Cole, Travis Scott, and Kendrick as headliners make it slightly more likely one of them signed a multi-fest deal and is headlining Coachella?
Also, I think Tyler subbing that thing officially puts the "what if Tyler headlines..." craziness to bed.
Hmm.. Tyler is definitely under Kendrick, Travis, and J Cole, that's not surprise. But so would a Gambino or a Chance, they'd have no fighting chance of headlining over those 3. It's all relative to which other hip hop acts are booked at said festival. I dont think Tyler would be booked at all for 2020, but next time he is itd have to be headlining, subbing wouldn't do much for him there.
I know we all want to put this to bed, so this is my last point. Ticket sales are the defining metric for poster placement. That's exactly what GV wants to measure, how many people are paying money to see these artists. Which translates into draw/sales for Coachella. Let's ignore Melanie for a second and look at the subs. I'm in CO and some notes on recent subs and the venues they play here:
- ODESZA: Sells out multiple nights at Red Rocks nearly every year. ~19k tickets sold a year - HAIM: Sold out a night at Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Khalid: Performing at Pepsi Center. ~15k tickets. Same venue as many past headliners, including Ariana, Kendrick, Gambino, Lady Gaga, etc. - The XX: Red Rocks. ~9.5k tickets. - Bon Iver: Red Rocks. ~9.5k
The exceptions here are Janelle, who intentionally played a small seated venue when she performed here, and Solange who hasn't toured here in a while.
Pretty much every sub in the last 3 years has played Red Rocks to strong sales, I personally would call that a very notable venue.
This would be a great argument... if Coachella was in Colorado.
Yeah, we'd need SoCal venue stats. But I mean honestly, we'll have to wait until her album drops to see the reception. It can blow up or flop, if SZA can sub off of CTRL then anything is possible with a strong 2nd album. Because SZA was pretty dang underground before that, I was shocked as a SZA fan, i expected end of the 2nd line
Does that new Goldenvoice rap festival in Vegas with J Cole, Travis Scott, and Kendrick as headliners make it slightly more likely one of them signed a multi-fest deal and is headlining Coachella?
Also, I think Tyler subbing that thing officially puts the "what if Tyler headlines..." craziness to bed.
Hmm.. Tyler is definitely under Kendrick, Travis, and J Cole, that's not surprise. But so would a Gambino or a Chance, they'd have no fighting chance of headlining over those 3. It's all relative to which other hip hop acts are booked at said festival. I dont think Tyler would be booked at all for 2020, but next time he is itd have to be headlining, subbing wouldn't do much for him there.
You are definitely over rating Cole and under rating Chance and Gambino, both of whom headlined on their last album cycle
Hmm.. Tyler is definitely under Kendrick, Travis, and J Cole, that's not surprise. But so would a Gambino or a Chance, they'd have no fighting chance of headlining over those 3. It's all relative to which other hip hop acts are booked at said festival. I dont think Tyler would be booked at all for 2020, but next time he is itd have to be headlining, subbing wouldn't do much for him there.
You are definitely over rating Cole and under rating Chance and Gambino, both of whom headlined on their last album cycle
I'm not really into J Cole personally, but he seems to be picking up steam lately. He definitely has the strongest catalogue between him/Gambino/Chance. But Cole has the stigma of being a boring rapper so there is that lol, but I feel like Middle Child and his verse on A Lot has helped his perception a little bit. I know that Dreamville tape is highly anticapted as well.
But yeah as far as the "new school" rappers go.. Drake, Kendrick, Travis are the top 3 without question, then Cole is in a weird tier by himself slightly above Chance/Gambino/Tyler, slightly after them would be the Logics of the world. Then again there's also the Future/Migos niche that is higher in popularity but lacks the "prestige" of more lyrical or experimental rappers.
Tyler is still too small to headline, would be a great sub, but I bet he rather wait to headline
My question with Tyler is can he even headline if he plays CFG every year in November? Tyler has a big tour this album, plus this fest and CFG, seems like he shouldn't be back
Post by DammitDereck on Jun 25, 2019 10:40:41 GMT -5
If they end up booking Adele, I think she'd definitely be the Saturday headliner. Honestly, I'd fuck with so much of this lineup though. The electronic acts in particular are pretty stacked. Peggy Gou, Jai Paul, Tourist, Tycho, Disclosure, SebastiAn? Whew.
Love the color of the poster too btw. Also, noob question here, but what do you guys use to make these mocks? I've been considering trying to make one for fun but not sure where to start really.
Yeah, I dont think both Adele and Coldplay would go in the same year. But I would honestly love that because they're two of my favorite acts who I haven't seen live yet. I dont like Disclosure is a headliner though. Line up looks good to me though.
Made a mock lineup / wishlist last night. Obviously it isn't perfect. Would love some feedback!
Disclosure would be an interesting choice for a headliner, but not impossible if they're debuting their new live show/have a bunch of artists on their new record that day. They did headline Sasquatch and Boston Calling(not as comparable but still) in 2016.
Can’t say I’m feeling Coldplay AND Adele. Way too adult contemporary. I think either one is a stretch tbh, but definitely not both.
I would personally be shocked if there is not a rap headliner next year. The new Vegas festival shows GV is excited enough to stay heavily invested in rap and sees money there (I'd say rap took over as the main attraction at multi-genre fests from EDM in ~2016, which took it over from rock in ~2013); there's been only one year without a rap headliner since 2015.
Small billing issue but probably switch PUP and Ezra Furman directly and/or just switch their lines. PUP is kinda as big as a relatively new pop-punk band gets right now.
Post by thepiratepenguin on Jun 25, 2019 15:44:12 GMT -5
I also have a hard time seeing a lack of a hip-hop headliner any time in the near future, especially when they were on the verge of having two of them this year.
And yeah, did Disclosure's second album even really move the needle much for them? Pretty much of all of their momentum was from "Settle". Even if they need a budget-friendly 3rd name, I still can't see them higher than a sub.
What rap headliner are you all thinking? I imagine it’s too soon for Kendrick, Gambino, and Kanye, probably same for Tyler and Travis. J Cole doesn’t seem like a Coachella act to me, I imagine they would have booked him if they wanted to. I guess Chance could.
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This is something I always disagree with big time. If you pick good acts then 99% of the time a good crowd follows with it. I have never experienced a bad crowd in my 3 coachellas at either weekend because I go see good music. Also since weekend 1 is as people say "just a bunch of celebrities and instagram models taking pictures", you really think the celebrities and models are gonna go see acts like Yves Tumor or Perfume or Aphex Twin? Hell no they're going to see Khalid and Zedd and shit, so by that logic it means that the great shows will be less crowded since theres allegedly soooo many celebrities and instagram models
I have a pretty big taste in music so I see both super underground acts and super mainstream. This year (2019 W1) had the best crowds, overall, by a good margin in my 4 years. 2018 W1 was bad, bigger artists had lazy crowds and anyone hardly showed up to the smaller act sets (great performances though), 2018 is a huge asterisk though. 2017 W1 was good not great, 2016 W2 was amazing.
I feel that, was at the main stage for Pusha, Kacey Musgraves, .Paak, and Tame which all had great crowds. the weekend 1 celebrity crowd myth is so odd lol